{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/03/scotch-lunatic-asylum-bill", "section": "scotch-lunatic-asylum-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " passed, to provide against the continuance or repetition of such cruelties. Unfortunately the right hon. gentleman who was so active in his inquiries upon this subject (Mr. Rose), was now no more; but the subject ought to be taken up by some other member, and if no one else more competent should undertake the task, he himself should feel it his duty to propose a bill upon this important subject. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/06/secret-committee-on-the-state-of-the", "section": "secret-committee-on-the-state-of-the", "cue_text": "Cries of No ! no.", "preceding_text": "wished to say a word or two with regard to the appointment of a committee by ballot. Of that method he could safely say, that the influence of ministers by means of it was greater than by any other mode. He had himself been a scrutineer upon the appointment of this committee by that method. He did not suppose there was any thing secret in what he was saying, but if there was he would not proceed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/06/committee-of-ways-and-means-exchequer", "section": "committee-of-ways-and-means-exchequer", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "lic were entitled to the fullest information which it was in his power and consistent with his duty to afford. With regard to the immediate subject of the right hon. gentleman's inquiry, he had not the smallest hesitation in declaring, that it was the intention of his majesty's ministers that the repayment to the Bank of the loan of six millions should be made in money, and not in exchequer bills "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/06/committee-of-ways-and-means-exchequer", "section": "committee-of-ways-and-means-exchequer", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": " see was, the Bank liberal in their accommodation, but still cautious in their issue of paper: he desired to see the gold coinage again in circulation: and if in three months after that event, the Mint price of gold was not equal to its market price, he would pledge himself never again to trouble the House on this subject—a circumstance which he had no doubt would give them infinite satisfaction. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/17/motion-respecting-the-assizes-in-the", "section": "motion-respecting-the-assizes-in-the", "cue_text": "A laugh", "preceding_text": "ction to entertain the judges twice a year, instead of once. The bishop of Durham was known to keep a most hospitable table, and he was convinced that his lordship would feel no objection to entertain the judges when they came down. He was certain, that if he held the same situation which the worthy bishop did, he should have no objection to entertain the judges four times a year instead of twice "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/17/motion-respecting-the-petitions", "section": "motion-respecting-the-petitions", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "im the complaint for which he afterwards underwent a skilful and successful operation. So humane had been the attention paid to Ogden, that the man himself had repeatedly expressed his thankfulness to God that being brought to gaol had been the means of curing him of that complaint, which under less skilful treatment than that of Mr. Dickson the prisoner himself said might have terminated fatally—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/25", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/25/privately-stealing-in-shops-bill", "section": "privately-stealing-in-shops-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, heart", "preceding_text": " been tried, of whom 49 had been capitally convicted, and one (whose case was accompanied by circumstances of great aggravation) executed. So that, of 1228 individuals tried, 312 only had been capitally convicted (the juries either acquitting the 886, or finding them guilty of stealing to a less amount), and only one person executed! Was this a state of the law which it was desirable to continue? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/25", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/25/privately-stealing-in-shops-bill", "section": "privately-stealing-in-shops-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ankrupt 612 laws knew, that not a year passed without the occurrence of a great number of fraudulent bankruptcies. Nevertheless, during eighty-five years, there had been but; four capital convictions for this offence; numerous frauds to a great amount having been suffered to escape with complete impunity, because the parties injured saw no alternative between that course and the shedding of blood "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/feb/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/feb/27/report", "section": "report", "cue_text": "Cries of Hear!", "preceding_text": "ial manner. But how was this proof of impartiality exhibited? The noble lord, it was true, had proposed the names of two or three gentlemen who sat on his (Mr. Brougham's) side of the House; but, with the exception of one, his noble friend (lord G. Cavendis), who could not attend, they were those who had supported the very measures which the noble lord introduced in the last session of parliament "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1818/feb/27", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1818/feb/27/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " of power must be held before this vile wretch; that in elevating this shield for his protection, the victims of his atrocious arts and frightful iniquities were to be left without redress, to pine under the effects of his machinations; and that all law and justice were to be trampled underfoot, lest their retributive force should extend to him condign punishment, or expose him to merited infamy? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1818/feb/27", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1818/feb/27/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "intercourse with their families, who were, perhaps, deprived of subsistence, if not absolutely ruined by the event, would be spoken of with such levity by any member of that House, and especially by the noble duke. But this levity served to show the ill effects of the measure alluded to, in betraying men, step by step, into an easy reconciliation with arbitrary power, and its consequent injustice "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1818/feb/27", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1818/feb/27/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh, and hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "scount had commenced his speech by disqualifying himself from taking part in the present discussion, and had fairly avowed what was the fact, that he could not with propriety advocate a measure which was so personal to himself: this was a very correct view of the subject, and he trusted that the noble viscount would carry it a step farther, and would give no vote on a matter so extremely personal "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1818/feb/27", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1818/feb/27/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh, and cries of Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ould have a better opportunity when the details of the bill should come before their lordships; or when its terrible principle should, as he hoped it would, be again discussed. But he would now conclude by impressing on their lordships, that on their conduct in this business depended the character of their lordships, the character of the ministers, nay, the character of the injured Oliver himself "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/03/poor-laws", "section": "poor-laws", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "uld not have said a word of taxes, had it not been a second time urged, that the increase of the poor-rates arose out of the increase of taxation. Nothing in his opinion was less satisfactorily made out than the position, that the amount of the taxation influenced the number of paupers, or the amount of the sums distributed to them. He denied that this position had ever been satisfactorily proved "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/03/petitions-of-j-buckley-mellor-and-samuel", "section": "petitions-of-j-buckley-mellor-and-samuel", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "to these acquittals—whether the minds of the juries had not been indisposed towards any state prosecutions, by the unconstitutional law which had been passed, and by the manner in which other state prosecutions had been conducted. This he threw out for the consideration of the House, and he hoped they would bear it in mind when the bill of indemnity demanded by ministers should be brought forward "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/03/army-estimates", "section": "army-estimates", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "r. Ministers could not therefore calculate upon gratifying any class of the community by the 759 arrangement to which he objected; on the contrary, such an arrangement was likely to give rise to invidious comparisons between the treatment of those poor widows, and the extraordinary gratuities afforded to others who happened to be nearer the source of favour—to the commissary-in-chief for instance "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/03/army-estimates", "section": "army-estimates", "cue_text": "Hear, hear, and a laugh from the opposition.", "preceding_text": "retrace a comparative view of this nature, would be an idle waste of the time of the House. He considered it sufficient to recall to their attention generally the prodigious changes which the events of war and the operation of various causes had introduced into the internal situation of the country. Let them look at the increase of our population, and the consequent increase of turbulent spirits. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1818/mar/03", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1818/mar/03/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh, and Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " have the satisfaction of delivering it as their decided opinion, that not only in the country in general, but in those districts where the designs of the disaffected were most actively and unremittingly pursued, the great body of the people remained untainted, even during the periods of the greatest distress, it has been deemed necessary to apprehend, commit, imprison, detain without trial, &c.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "on the part of any man invested with arbitrary power, as any argument against the probability of despotism and injustice in the administration of that power. Great wisdom and firmness could alone guard against the abuse of a power which ought not to belong to—which was calculated to corrupt 893 —any human being;—and were ministers seriously disposed to ascribe wisdom and firmness to lord Sidmouth "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " —any human being;—and were ministers seriously disposed to ascribe wisdom and firmness to lord Sidmouth [Hear, hear!]? He was aware that the noble lord had been often praised of late by persons on the opposite side of the House, who, at ether times, and not long since too, were forward to deny him any great or solid quality; nay, who were active in ridiculing his pretensions to any mental power. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "he unconstitutional nature of its powers. But in those days Englishmen were more tenacious of their liberties than unfortunately they appeared to be of in later years, and new eras. It was only of late it became an expedient on the part of ministers to suspend the Habeas Corpus act, in order to prop their tottering power, to secure their jobs and their places, and to gag the mouths of the people. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "of justice and of the country? When the mere instruments of his designs, and the victims of delusion were pursued to death, why was Oliver left at large? If, by the laws of England, all connected with a transaction involving murder, are guilty of murder, how came no charge to be laid against the contriver and instigator of the transactions which had naturally led, to the commission of that crime? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "liament, consistently with a due regard to its fame and honour, grant them that act.—Who were their informers? Were they gentlemen of character, whose credibility justified in some measure such confidence as the House was called upon to place in their information? No, they were the blood-thirsty spies, who were sent forth by ministers, and who created all the evils that had disturbed the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " House of Peers he met Oliver at the Horse-guards and heard him inveighing in such loud and seditious terms against the Prince Regent as to collect a crowd about him. The individual whose name he could produce, and who was ready to confirm his statement on oath, remonstrated with Oliver in vain. The consequence was, the outrage on the person of the prince, and the suspension of the Habeas Corpus. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "spension of the Habeas Corpus. [Hear, hear!] Thus it appeared that all the evils which had afflicted the country for the last twelve months, and led to the suspension of the Habeas Corpus act, with its melancholy consequences, originated mainly with the malignant ingenuity and active turpitude of a man whom ministers had specially employed and whom they still continued to praise and to patronise. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Loud and continued cheering.", "preceding_text": " election; in their name he called 899 for a full, fair, and impartial inquiry into the abuses practised during the suspension of the Habeas Corpus. He did not say so in hopes of influencing the House, but he would say on his conscience, that the House was bound in duty to the people of England to support him, when he moved as an amendment, \"That the Bill be read a first time that day six months.\""}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "effect of the dying declaration of Turner, one of the men executed at Derby. From this declaration of the right hon. gentleman, he was led to expect something very strong from him; but the House had in reality heard nothing from him at all calculated to do away the effect of the words uttered by this man, at a time when he was in a situation far beyond the power of any man's bribe or intimidation "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ey were brought to their unfortunate end. They had therefore no evidence to disconnect Oliver with the transactions at Derby. For their own sakes, government, if they were innocent, ought not to ask for any bill of indemnity. Government in this case had the misfortune common to all those who employed spies—they were in some sort identified in the public opinion with the persons whom they employed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Loud cheers", "preceding_text": "ght them guilty. If the House were determined to allow ministers on their own showing, to suspend the liberties of the country, and subsequently, on their own statements, obtain an indemnity for their measures, it was impossible any longer to boast the freedom of this country. If such a system was to be pursued, public liberty would be gone, and the strong hold of the people, would be annihilated "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "loud cheering from the ministerial benches", "preceding_text": " to force on the second reading of this important bill to-morrow. There were three or four notices which would have precedence of it, on each of which considerable discussion might be anticipated. Did his hon. and learned friend mean by this to say at once to the House and the country, that he considered all argument superfluous and unnecessary—that the question was to be carried alone by numbers?"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d learned friend mean by this to say at once to the House and the country, that he considered all argument superfluous and unnecessary—that the question was to be carried alone by numbers?[loud cheering from the ministerial benches]. He implored the House, acquainted as they must be with the fact, that in ten days they were to be dissolved, and were to be sent to the country to their constituents "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear! from the ministerial benches", "preceding_text": " such a measure. He did not say that this was meant as an insult, but certainly it had every appearance of it. When ministers in this manner met their opponents with no arguments, but, without saying any thing, put the question at once to the vote, this was as much as to say, \"We have 190 votes, and we do not care for your arguments—we do not think it necessary to give one reason for what we ask\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear! from the opposition benches", "preceding_text": "eason for what we ask\" [hear, hear! from the ministerial benches]. After the division was declared, the manner in which the account of the numbers was received by the ministerial benches seemed to say, \"Aye, that was just what we expected.\" It was as much as saying—We knew we were right.—Not right as to the merits of the measure, for we never condescended to tell you the reasons why we were right "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ho were hostile to the measure, but to avail themselves of the forms of the House devised by their ancestors to meet such an occasion; and if any one supported him, he would avail himself of those forms, in order to give the country and the House an opportunity of making ministers pause, at least so long as to allow the House an opportunity for fairly discussing the important bill now before them "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "t spoken. But the question had been argued in a more fitting way perhaps than if ministers had offered their sentiments, for the measure had been powerfully defended by several gentlemen whose support they were not in the habit of receiving. But he really thought the hon. and learned gentleman seemed himself to show a great want of confidence in his own case. Had he came out from his hiding place "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear! from the ministerial side", "preceding_text": "ant of confidence in his own case. Had he came out from his hiding place [a laugh], he would probably have found no reluctance on the part of his majesty's ministers to meet him. But the hon. and learned gentleman seemed to be dreaming every night on the subject of elections, on which he had given some information quite new to him, and he believed to the House, namely, their immediate dissolution "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Here the cries of \"Spoke, spoke!\" were repeated, and the hon. and learned gentleman sat down", "preceding_text": "casion, was, because he had heard nothing which required an answer. He solemnly assured the noble lord and the House, if it was of any consequence for them to know it, that he had never, on any one occasion, lately heard any thing from the other side to which he did not consider all answer superfluous, except in the question as to the standing army, and he appealed to the House whether he did not "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of no, no", "preceding_text": " the standing army, and he appealed to the House whether he did not [Here the cries of \"Spoke, spoke!\" were repeated, and the hon. and learned gentleman sat down]. § Sir S. Romilly said, he rose to move as an amendment, that the bill be read a second time on Wednesday. What his hon. and learned friend had advanced was certainly most true. On one side of the House there had been no discussion "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh.", "preceding_text": "s which were advanced on the other side; but because his hon. and learned friend had not also answered them, they were resolved to keep back—till this formidable opponent spoke, they were determined to maintain silence; His hon. and learned friend had only to conceal himself in that place from which he lately addressed them, and then he would reduce the whole of his majesty's ministers to silence "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh.", "preceding_text": "ean to speak with any disparagement, but he might safely say they were much second to that of the hon. gentleman whom he followed. However, the effect of that speech was completely done away by an hon. gentleman, who usually voted with the opposite side of the House (Mr. Fremantle). He was was followed by a noble lord (Nugent), who had certainly had his share of the debate, and had done his best. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/09/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "h stood for to-morrow should occupy the House to a late hour, the second reading would not be pressed. Now, after the conduct of the hon. and learned gentleman opposite, he, for one, hoped that no postponement would take place to-morrow on any account whatever, and that the House would, by going through the second reading, then testify its sense of this interruption, so uncourteous and unprovoked "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "of the House of Lords should be attended to by adopting this bill of indemnity; but whether the House should retort upon the lords, instead of indemnity, impeachment. If a case for indemnity were not made out, the reason must arise not from the use, but from the abuse of the powers confided to ministers; and if abuse were established, no man could dispute that fair ground was laid for impeachment "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "e most cruel tortures, and that all his calamities were to be attributed to Oliver, the spy. In the head and front of this phalanx of petitioners (and it was to be supposed, that hon. members on the other side had not been so far wanting in parliamentary tactics as not to select the best case to make the first impression) stood that renowned gentleman and instigator of murder, Mr. Francis Ward * —"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "rnment. Ward and all his patient sufferings being abandoned, next, with all the pomp of eloquence and all the flexibility of pathos, was introduced the ever-to-be-revered and unhappy Ogden: his name was pronounced with all the veneration belonging to virtuous age and silver hairs; and yet, on inquiry, what did his case turn out to be, but that he had been cured of a rupture at the public expense!—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Continued cheers.", "preceding_text": "d been in prison without irons. A letter from Ogden to his wife, bearing testimony to the kindness and humanity with which he had been uniformly treated in prison, and rejoicing in the cure of his old complaint, was published in the Manchester papers . 1028 cured gratis , expressing afterwards, to his relatives and friends, the comfort and delight he experienced on being thus made a new man again—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "again—[Continued cheers.] This might be a very lit case to be brought before the Rupture Society, but to require upon it the decision of parliament, was such a daring attempt upon its credulity, as would probably be never again attempted. What had parliament to do with such a case, except it had arisen out of parliamentary enactment?—a suggestion, in this instance, grossly and notoriously untrue. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Much laughter.", "preceding_text": "se, except it had arisen out of parliamentary enactment?—a suggestion, in this instance, grossly and notoriously untrue. [Cheers.] It might be said, that he had not gone through the whole of the petitions; but he had followed those on the other side in their selection. Ward's case was relied on so long as it was maintainable; and it was afterwards bolstered up with this case of gratuitous surgery—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " and it did. seem a little whimsical, that parliament was to take the other half for, granted., The proposition regarding Dewhurst had two tangible 1029 parts; first, Dewhurst; secondly, gig. Now, shortly after this statement, there came from sir J. Byng, not a verbosa et grandis epistola , but a very pithy note; stating, first, that there was no such man as Dewhurst; secondly, that he had no gig—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Continued laughter.", "preceding_text": "that it was possible, by going far enough north, to reach England by land. A gentleman of Naples once asked an English traveller, whether it was not practicable to travel to England from Sicily by land. \"Certainly not,\" said the Englishman; \"you know that you cannot go to England, even from Naples, without crossing the sea.\" \"That is very true,\" replied the Italian, \"but Sicily is an island too!\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Continued cheers.", "preceding_text": "er? [Hear!] This concealment, perhaps, was not treason; he (Mr. C.) was not lawyer enough to decide whether it was strictly and technically misprision of treason. But, morally speaking, and according to the ordinary dictates of common sense, was it too much to attribute to him, that he wished to see the government overturned, and was only prevented by dastardly cowardice from joining in the plot?—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "blic investigation was on foot; yet this respectable gentleman, whose loyalty was bursting his bosom, who adored his king and his country, never thought of going before a magistrate to give his important testimony. Why? because it was false; or, if it were true, it only proved, that he had not given evidence, because he loved Oliver while he was a traitor, and hates him only now he is an informer—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": ".] It was impossible, however, not to feel assured, that the whole story was a recent invention, and no man, but a dolt or an idiot, could believe a word of it;—of course, he did not mean to apply the epithets, dolt and idiot, to the hon. gentleman (Mr. Lambton); all he (Mr. Canning) meant to say was, that he should consider himself a dolt and an idiot if he gave the statement one moment's belief—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": " and of how many chips and 1032 shavings he had cheated his master, the carpenter? A chip and shaving committee was to be appointed, with power, instead of persons, papers, and records, of sending for surveyors, builders, hatchets, planes, and carpenter's rules; with a special appointment to inquire into the merits of three indictments, two suits in the court of King's-bench, and a disputed award "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " carpenter? A chip and shaving committee was to be appointed, with power, instead of persons, papers, and records, of sending for surveyors, builders, hatchets, planes, and carpenter's rules; with a special appointment to inquire into the merits of three indictments, two suits in the court of King's-bench, and a disputed award [a laugh]. These were the matters to be referred to a select committee "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "A loud laugh.", "preceding_text": "d his researches into that author a little farther, he might have found a description of an informer, which seemed to tally exactly with his own beau idéal of such a character. He alluded to that informer who, 1033 Sodull, so dead in look, so we-begone, Drew Priam's curtain in the dead of night, And would have told him half his Troy was burned, But Priam found the fire, ere he his tongue.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Much laughter", "preceding_text": "y, that if Priam, thus rouzed from his slumbers, had, instead of inquiring about the fire, detained that pale, we-begone man, to question him about his birth, parentage, and education, he, for one, however the hon. and learned gentleman might applaud the conscientiousness of such an examination, should have felt much less commiseration for the fate of that venerable monarch than he did at present "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " must have felt, too, that as it was the sweetest reward of virtue, to have a perfect confidence in all around it; so it was the greatest curse of crime, that it could not trust even its dearest associates: to take away, therefore, from crime its penal terror of being betrayed by its intimates, and to communicate to it the best privilege of virtue, what was it but making virtue the prey of crime? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "irst respectability; not upon the people of England, as had been most unjustly insinuated, to whose steady loyalty the utmost homage was paid; but upon those designing and malignant wretches, who attempted, out of the distresses of a day, to effect the desolation of the work of ages; who looked upon the famished peasant and ruined artisan, not as objects of compassion, but as instruments of crime "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "l be said of those who, with cold calculation, enter the cottage of poverty, and, instead of sympathising with the condition of the wretched inhabitant and his starving family, calmly guage and span his misery, not for the purpose of relief, but to ascertain his capacity for mischief: not to rescue him from ruin, but to see how far he is fitted to be an agent to assist in the ruin of his country?—"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "A laugh", "preceding_text": "ments and universal suffrage Nay, could he reconcile to himself the justice or consistency of his plan of universal suffrage, as it was called? How could he excuse the omission of females and of the insane, from the classes of electors and representatives? Oh! calumniated females! Oh! calumniated insane!—was it from dread of the power of the female sex, or from jealousy of the wisdom of insanity? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "A laugh", "preceding_text": "t come forward, hereafter, with the more weight and effect, in a petition subscribed exclusively by themselves; and that the day was not far distant, when the hon. baronet would present to the House a petition for reform, from the inhabitants of the receptacle near Kennington, vouching for the respectful tenor of its language, and pledging himself for the constitutional temperance of its argument "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d just sat down; of him who in his heart laughed at all these schemes of reform, 1038 and looked with the profoundest scorn on all who entertained them; of him who knew that every petition on the subject came either from deluders or deluded; yet, under a pretence that he was a friend to something like a reform, would, every now and then, present such petitions, for the mere purpose of popularity? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Loud and long cheering", "preceding_text": "ds whose painful duty it was to spread that veil, had not been the least prompt to remove it. If the palladium of the constitution had, for a moment, trembled in its shrine, let it be acknowledged that, through the vigilance and constancy of those whose duty it was to see that the fabric took no harm, the shrine itself had been preserved from profanation, and the temple stood firm and unimpaired.—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "nd that he had no design of applying them in their common acceptation. § Mr. Lambton supposed so: indeed, it was not of any consequence, except in one sense—and that was, a sort of fear that as the right hon. gentleman had applied the same terms to the dear friends now united with him in office, the use of them might be a prelude to an intimate union between him and the right lion, gentleman "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/11/indemnity-bill", "section": "indemnity-bill", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " a person not connected with any plot or conspiracy, but a mercantile gentleman of consideration. If the House would let him, he would pledge his honour to prove all he had asserted, unless the right hon. gentleman should be disposed wantonly to depreciate his (Mr. Lambton's) honour and character, as he had already that night cruelly sported with the disease and agony of an unfortunate petitioner "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1818/mar/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1818/mar/17/motion-respecting-the-right-of", "section": "motion-respecting-the-right-of", "cue_text": "Cries of \"withdraw!\"", "preceding_text": "were always attached to them. There was no part of his conduct, throughout this affair, of which he need be ashamed, or which he would not retrace under the same circumstances. As the sense of the House would be doubtless against his motion, after the decided opinion promulgated by the law officers of the Crown, he had no objection to with 1156 draw it, if such should be the pleasure of the House—"}
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