{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "g Spain to yield to any modification of her constitution, he must say, that above all men the duke of Wellington ought to have been impressed with the persuasion that the pride, the haughtiness, the obstinacy of Spain, would not allow her to yield to the menaces of foreign dictation. But, it was probable that the exertion of the good offices of Great Britain would have effected that modification. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "iving to the king of Spain the power of nominating the council of state, was, as to themselves, the sacrifice of life or personal liberty—that they might as well at once lay their heads upon the block, or prepare for their destruction, condemned as galley slaves—or doomed to the inquisition of Valencia—or to pass the remainder of their lives in degradation and servitude in the presidios of Africa "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "against the conduct of France, and good wishes for the cause of Spain, did not prevail in every quarter; but he well knew, that the great body of the people looked to a state of war as a most awful visitation. Under these circumstances, he should not have acted honestly if he had not thus frankly spoken his sentiments, and he should certainly give the amendment his cordial and hearty concurrence. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "gainst the legions of Napoleon—I shall not now recede from the boy-army of the Bourbons:\" \"Contempsi Cataliæ gladios, non pertimescam tuos.\" If this language had been used at the congress of sovereigns, his majesty's ministers would have done their duty, the character of this country would have been placed on the highest pinnacle of glory and the liberties of Spain would have been secured. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers from both sides of the House", "preceding_text": " persons opposed to the Spanish constitution, were ignorant, it was more their misfortune than their fault; but, whether ignorant or not, we, in joining the constitutionalists, must necessarily oppose those priests, and thereby cause a civil war in Spain! In making these observa- 1388 tions, he begged not to be considered as in any way opposed to the cause of freedom or a free constitution "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": ", too, without the power of securing success to the party whose cause she espoused. He did not, he confessed, pretend to say that he looked to the present situation of the states of Europe with any thing like satisfaction. He thought the result of the events of the last five and twenty years had given rise to a state of things on the continent, from which it was clearly our interest to keep aloof "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " out the harshest terms, the grossest invectives against foreign powers; but, would any hon. member maintain that it would be right to pursue a similar course in diplomatic negotiations?—Let him not be mis- 1391 understood. He was aware that every English representative had a right to use what language he pleased, without any other restraints than those which a sense of propriety imposed upon him "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "le of attachment to him, because he knew the sterling worth of his mind, and venerated the qualities of his heart, because he had a respect for his talents, and because he thought he had formed a true estimate of the services which the noble lord had rendered to his country. Never, perhaps, was there a minister in England, whose character had been more constantly or more completely misrepresented "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d induce the allies to abstain from pursuing that line of policy which had been recently followed, it would have been the known and declared fact, that a radical difference of opinion existed between those powers and this country. That filet alone would have been much more likely to have operated on the councils of the allies, than any representation set forth in any form of words, however strong "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "s to the luxurious climate of Italy—and all for nothing! He believed, in point of fact, that the hon. gentleman was right, when he stated that Great Britain had succeeded at least in one point: she did succeed in having this principle established—that the war was not to be considered as growing out of the principle of European policy, but simply and merely as a war between France and Spain "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "was our duty to do so, with a view, not only to the peace of Eu- 1397 rope, but to the happiness and interest of Spain, and he would also say of France; because he never would admit, that in the discussion of this question, England was totally to overlook the fair interest of France. What he meant by that interest was, the security and maintenance of a fair constitutional monarchy in that country "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "we advise her to yield to the principle contained in the speech of the king of France, which went to represent all free governments as mere waste paper, unless they proceeded from the mouth of kings—that monstrous principle, which was described in the address, in the very words which were used by my right hon. friend in one of his despatches, as \"striking at the root of the British constitution.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Loud cheers", "preceding_text": "st of the question, and that, he was convinced, was the general feeling of the country. Upon these grounds, he anticipated that the House would reject the address which had been proposed, and not consent to consign government to condemnation, on the ground that they had neglected what was due to the honour and interest of their country during the arduous negotiation in which they had been engaged "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "nty years, he might not come off with a decree in his favour which would have the effect of involving his ward in ruin. He admitted, that in mentioning only twenty years, he might be derogating from the solemn dignity of that court, and allowing, perhaps, too limited a period for the grave and mature deliberation which was there exercised; but twenty years would be sufficient for his illustration "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear", "preceding_text": "rom most of his hon. friends in the interest which he took in the fate of his majesty, king Ferdinand of Spain. There was no sovereign in Europe, with the exception of the sovereign of this country, who was to him an object of so much interest, or about whose safety he was more solicitous. This feeling did not arise so much from admiration of his virtues, or respect for his many amiable qualities "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Loud cheers", "preceding_text": "nce; he envied him for being the foremost amongst the assertors of Spanish liberty; but for nothing did he envy him so much as for that nobleness of nature which he evinced in administering to the wants, in attending to the comforts—studying even the delicacies of that man who had previously consigned him to a fortress, to work as a common soldier exposed to the burning heat of an African climate "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ort of European police for the prevention of the success of revolution wherever it might be found, and under whatever circumstances. He contended, as strongly as any man could do, for one exception at least from that doctrine; namely, when the security of the state rendered such a revolution necessary; and he was prepared to argue, that in the case of Spain, that, exception had certainly occurred "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "arry into execution. He would then ask, did the circumstance of this country justify his majesty's ministers in running so great a risk? He thought not. If honour and justice required a war, let us embark in it, heartily and openly, and fairly; but if not, let us not run a desperate risk which must lead either to national disgrace, or to a war which was not called for by either honour or justice. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "tween the two extremes. He was therefore convinced that, after all that his right hon. friend had felt and suffered during these negotiations, he would have that evening the satisfaction of returning to his home, not only with the first of all rewards—the consciousness of having performed his duty, but with that reward which was certainly the next to it, the applause and approbation of that House "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d his mother; who had betrayed his father; who had abandoned his country, and who, on his return to it, had murdered his defenders! Was there nothing in all this to excite suspicion? Was it not quite impossible for the Spaniards to regard as a friend the man who could see nothing in the antecedent conduct of Ferdinand to excite an apprehension that he would abuse the power confided to him? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/29/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Here the noise became so excessive, that the hon. gentleman after several attempts to be heard, sat down.", "preceding_text": "rience, they would adjourn at once, instead of taking the trouble of dividing two or three times, only protesting, as he did, against the motion. Mr. Wynn said, that he had moved the 1437 adjournment from a belief that the House was disinclined to hear further discussions. Since it was otherwise, he would withdraw his motion, and offer very briefly his sentiments on the question before the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": " government. During the whole of his parliamentary life, he had uniformly opposed the encroaching spirit of jacobinical and of imperial France. He had strenously opposed the attempts of the former government of that country to extend her dominion over the other nations of Europe. And, if these were unjustifiable, no less so was the same conduct of the Bourbons, and no more ought it to be endured. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "tly unjust. In another place, indeed, he understood, that, by one individual, sentiments of a different kind had been uttered. He could scarcely believe the report. He could scarcely believe that any Englishman could be found capable of expressing the opinions ascribed to the individual to whom he alluded:— Who but must laugh, if such a man there be? Who would not weep, if the great duke were he? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Here the noise was again renewed.", "preceding_text": "then, that in the course which his majesty's government had adopted during these negotiations, the interests of this country had been neglected, and her honour had been compromised; while it was impossible, on the other hand, to say how soon we might be forced out of our neutrality, and compelled to adopt that very alternative which our timid and indecisive policy had vainly endeavoured to avert. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"question, question!", "preceding_text": "uld proceed. He should have done ten minutes ago, but for these interruptions. [Coughing.] The hon. officer concluded, by expressing his dissatisfaction with the conduct of ministers on this occasion, marked as it had been by such a want of firmness, candour, and resolution; and declared, that, for the reasons he had stated, he felt himself bound to give his hearty support to the original motion. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "y 1462 or of property—claims might be balanced against claims; but here, there were no mutual claims to be adjusted; and the language we must have held to France would needs have been, not, \"If you don't yield this, I won't yield that;\" but, \"If you do not yield this, I will go to war with you\" [Hear.] The hon. gentlemen opposite may put it as they will, but to this at last the argument must come "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "e same set of statesmen who opposed that government throughout a war for the liberties of Europe. Is it that they deem the independence of Europe at large an object less important than the liberties of individual Spain? Or can it be their opinion, that liberty itself is then only desirable, when fought for by subjects against their king and not when fought for by kingdoms against their oppressor? "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Continued laughter.", "preceding_text": "e day. So great was the rage for neutrality, that he should not be at all surprised to hear at the first public dinner to which ministers might be invited, this toast given—\"Neutrality, strict neutrality, nothing but neutrality.\" Perhaps they would soon see in the newspapers, among the newest fashions, \"neutral bonnet\" mentioned—the shape furnished by the right hon. secretary for foreign affairs. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ich he had used. If that were the case, he was ready to make the necessary apology to the House. He was, undoubtedly angry upon that occasion. He had attempted to express the shame and indignation which he felt upon the perusal of the papers which had been presented to the House, and the scorn and contempt which he entertained for the British negotiators who could put their names to those papers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Hear,\" from the Opposition. Mr. Canning shook his head.", "preceding_text": "ed to answer the arguments which might be founded upon the papers in the possession of the House. Why had he not prepared himself during the three nights which the present discussion had lasted? If rumour spoke true, the right lion, gentleman was anxious to abstain from addressing the House, until his hon. and learned friend below him (Mr. Brougham) had delivered his sentiments upon the question. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "rty on whom we had claims of gratitude? For whom, he would ask, had so much British blood been spilt, but for the Bourbons? And, when it was said, that we had no influence at Madrid, what, he would ask, had become of our influence at Paris? This country had put Ferdinand upon his throne, by the assistance of the Spaniards; but they had placed Louis on his throne, in defiance of the French people. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Loud. cheers", "preceding_text": "motives in calling upon his hon. friend to make any sacrifice of his own feelings to the general unanimity. It remained for him to thank the House for the indulgence with which, at that late hour, they had been pleased to give hum their attention, assuring them most sincerely, that nothing but the deep importance of the question could have induced him to trespass at such length on their patience. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/apr/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/apr/30/negotiations-relative-to-spain", "section": "negotiations-relative-to-spain", "cue_text": "Cries of \"no, no: divide divide\"!", "preceding_text": "was the word \"earnest,\" as applied to the endeavours of ministers. If it meant merely, that ministers had been themselves earnest in their endeavours, he did not quarrel with it; and, on the grounds stated in the appeal which had just been made to him by his hon. and learned friend, he was ready to withdraw the address which he had proposed, and allow the amendment to stand as an original motion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/feb/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/feb/20/right-of-voting", "section": "right-of-voting", "cue_text": "Hear, and laughter", "preceding_text": " in the city or borough he represented—they were all open to strangers. Peers, he were perfect strangers to the county of Cornwall, for instance, went down in the face of day to take possession of boroughs, and of electors, whom they had purchased. The respectable and philosophical member for Bodmin (Mr. D. Gilbert) had, he believed, lately given possession of a number of freemen to a noble lord. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/feb/21", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/feb/21/financial-situation-of-the-country", "section": "financial-situation-of-the-country", "cue_text": "Hear, hear! from the Treasury Bench.", "preceding_text": "00 l. which the right hon. gentleman proposed to remit in taxes, would give a sinking fund of 5,000,000 l. Now, he said, that the hon. gentleman went too far, on this ground—that we could not have such a sinking fund applicable to such a purpose. And here he would beg leave to call the attention of the House to a pamphlet which had been lately published under the auspices of ministers themselves. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/jun/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/jun/30/scotch-juries-bill", "section": "scotch-juries-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "se one? He had very serious doubts of the wisdom of passing this bill; and he believed, that before two sessions had passed, the hon. member would be an advocate for the amendment of his own measure. The jury-books were made up alphabetically; so that before they could proceed to the letter B, they must exhaust all the names under the letter A, and the whole jury might be composed of Abercrombies "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1823/jun/30", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1823/jun/30/appellate-jurisdiction", "section": "appellate-jurisdiction", "cue_text": "a laugh!", "preceding_text": " to any change in the manner in which the House should exercise its jurisdiction. For his own part, he was so well satisfied with the manner in which the judicial business of the House was con ducted by his noble and learned friend on the woolsack, assisted by another noble and learned friend (lord Redesdale), that he professed he could see no remedy for the evil, but impounding him in that House "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/02/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Mr. Saurin also.\"", "preceding_text": " § Sir J. Newport said, that however young that person might be, he had, at the period mentioned, acted for his father; and if he was then competent to do so, he must be well acquainted with the facts of the case. § Mr. Grattan said, that as the gentleman alluded to had acted for his father during a series of years, he thought it advisable, that he should attend at the bar of the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/02/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "a laugh.", "preceding_text": "Will you explain what you mean by the grand jury presenting money; what they do?—They present money to be raised off the city of Dublin for all public purposes. To be raised on whom?—On the citizens. In what way is it raised upon them?—Under those presentments. Are they assessed according to their property?—The assessment takes place, I believe, with reference to ministers money, as it is called, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/02/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "The witness was directed to withdraw.", "preceding_text": "s money, as it is called, [a laugh.] We are getting deeper and deeper into ignorance. For what purposes is the money raised, which the term grand juries present?—A variety of purposes. Will you name one or two?—For the gaols.; all public works. Roads?—Yes. And bridges?—All within the city of Dublin; in short, it is a grand jury cess, as it is called. Lighting and paving?—No. Salaries to officers?—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/02/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "The witness was directed to withdraw.", "preceding_text": "the city of Dublin, that would be instantly traversed?—I should rather hope it would. § If any improper practices are said to exist in the levying of money upon the citizens of Dublin, do not you think that the Citizens are more to blame than the grand jury, if such practices exist, for not traversing the presentments?—Very likely; I may be erroneous, but I would not come to that conclusion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/02/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "The witness was directed to withdraw.", "preceding_text": "two., Now for example; in a panel amounting to a hundred and seven, of which a hundred and five were called, there were but two common-council-men sworn on the grand jury. § Was it usual that those who were corporators of Dublin, stood at the head of the list?—I believe that is a matter into which I am to make an inquiry; I have not taken any account of the order in which corporators attend. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/08/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "The witness was ordered to withdraw.", "preceding_text": " Moore was called in; and further examined § By Mr. Jones. —Was there not a person examined, who offered evidence as to the person of one of the rioters, which evidence he was not suffered to give, because he did not know the person of the rioter at the time of the riot having been committed?—No such thing took place. § Was there a man of the name of Ryan examined before the grand jury?—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/08/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "Cries of \"move.\"", "preceding_text": " utmost, it would be the duty of the House to strike out of the minutes every tiling relative to the conduct of the grand jury. It would be the height of injustice to hear charges against that body, and to deprive them of the power of answering those charges. § Sir J. Newport suggested that a motion should be made to expunge from the minutes all that related to the conduct of the grand jury. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/08/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "The witness was directed to withdraw.", "preceding_text": "said he,\" would prevent my putting him on the panel. § By Mr. Hume. —Do you take an oath as an Orangeman?—I do. § Have you any objection to state what that oath is?—I really do not recollect it, but the principle of it is this; to support the king and constitution. § Is there any thing else but to support the king and constitution: do you recollect nothing more?—I do not recollect.—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1823/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1823/may/08/sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "section": "sheriff-of-dublin-inquiry-into-his", "cue_text": "a laugh!", "preceding_text": "in any oath to your knowledge, taken by an Orangeman, that has been withheld from publication repeatedly?—No. § By Mr. Hume. —Are any contributions of money collected in your lodge, or any quarterly payments made?—Nothing more to my knowledge than what pays for the expense of the night, what is drank. § By Mr. R. Smith. —Do you think that any. saving could be effected in those expenses? "}