{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/18/roman-catholic-claims", "section": "roman-catholic-claims", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "rselves, and all you wished for was to retain it. We have become enlightened on this subject ourselves; and we think it very inconsistent for you, the dissenters, to have acted as you did. For us it was the best thing that ever was done. You performed the work, and we despise you heartily for it; but, as to our assisting you, we are astonished how such an idea could ever have entered your minds.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "r this he employs his influence over the people, to devote their money and their persons to the command of that imperious body. If such a state of things is suffered to exist, there can be but one result, a contest between the two parties; and, unless the government is supported by parliament, to extinguish the Association, the Association, with the priesthood, will soon extinguish the government "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/29/roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "section": "roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "ergymen on taking a benefice, 320 that he was \"moved thereto by the holy spirit,\" he was anxious to say a word or two. The clergyman took no such oath; he merely took the oath of supremacy, the oath of allegiance, an oath against simony, and an oath of canonical obedience. He did not swear that he was moved by the holy spirit to accept the benefice; he merely made a solemn declaration that he was "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/29/roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "section": "roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "gyman took no such oath; he merely took the oath of supremacy, the oath of allegiance, an oath against simony, and an oath of canonical obedience. He did not swear that he was moved by the holy spirit to accept the benefice; he merely made a solemn declaration that he was [a laugh]. The words occurred in the ordination service; the bishop asked the question and the clergyman simply answered \"yes\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/29/roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "section": "roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "ed in support of Catholic emancipation. There was more affinity between the Protestant and the Catholic church than between the tenets of the Protestants and the Dissenters. The Catholics were not enemies to the Protestant establishment on abstract principles. He thought that they would not seek to subvert the Established Church, unless they hoped that they could substitute their own in its place "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/29/roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "section": "roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": " an opinion which he had been many years in forming, and many more in making up his mind to express—that all churches, not excluding the Church of England from the number, required from their adherence too great a conformity. He thought that the time was come when the Establish d Church ought to revise its Articles of Faith. If any gentlemen would take the trouble to read the thirty-nine articles "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/apr/29/roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "section": "roman-catholic-clergy-of-ireland", "cue_text": "hear! and cries of \"Go on\"", "preceding_text": "r, required from their adherence too great a conformity. He thought that the time was come when the Establish d Church ought to revise its Articles of Faith. If any gentlemen would take the trouble to read the thirty-nine articles [a laugh].—It was not his practice to stand up against the sense of the House; and rather than expose such a serious subject to ridicule, he would abandon it altogether "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "ity they were incurring. He was convinced that the only advisable measure by which they could put down the violence and discontent which now raged in Ireland, would be by concession, not by coercion—by repealing the penal statutes which were in existence, not by enacting new ones; and for these reasons, he had determined to oppose, as far as he was able, the measure which was now before the House "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear! from the Opposition benches.", "preceding_text": " by that House. Was the power of ordering prosecutions on the authority of that House no evil under such circumstances? Was such a power likely to produce no mischievous effects? Yet, this was the very case which now existed in Ireland. The heat of debate was to be received as an excuse for every violent expression in an Association, standing at the head of a people on the very brink of rebellion "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": ", on account of the general moral which they contained; and, still more, as they conveyed some notion of the present feelings of the Catholics in Ireland— 449 An open candid foe I could not hate, Nor ev'n insult the base, in low estate; But thriving malice, tamely to forgive— 'Tis somewhat late to be so primitive. Why, it was a new doctrine rather, to set up, that oppressors were not to be hated, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "\"hear, hear,\" and laughter", "preceding_text": "pen candid foe I could not hate, Nor ev'n insult the base, in low estate; But thriving malice, tamely to forgive— 'Tis somewhat late to be so primitive. Why, it was a new doctrine rather, to set up, that oppressors were not to be hated, [hear, hear] What would those gentlemen who talked about Jesuitical casuistry have said, if the words had been \"By the reverence and respect you owe to Orangemen\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "hire, and those who thought with him, had put on Mr. O'Connell's words; and, even say that it was impossible, gross as that interpretation appeared, to show that they were susceptible of any other, still it was not a candid proceeding in the House of Commons to fix an intention on a person 450 in Mr. O'Connell's situation, without giving him an opportunity, and an ample one, of explaining himself "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "ected with it, appeared that of earl Fitzwilliam—a name which no man, whatever his party, could pronounce without sentiments of veneration—which implied unceasing generosity of character, courage 451 which shrunk not in the hour of danger, and benevolence such as exceeded, and such as alone, perhaps, could exceed, even the powers of that ample fortune, the blessings of which it so nobly dispensed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Much cheering", "preceding_text": "ause they bore with too much patience those wrongs and grievances which some thought they should have stirred more actively to redress—was it possible to see the Catholic Association of Ireland supported by such names, and assisted and adhered to by such characters, without feeling that it stood cleared of those aspersions, which the hon. advocates of the present bill thought fit to cast upon it? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "seemly contest respecting it—that they would give no opposition to the act of the legislature; but in declaring this, they expressed an humble hope, that they might be heard at the bar of the House before it was passed into a law. He felt it was due to the Catholics to make this statement, and he was convinced that a sense of justice to them on, the part of the House would not refuse their prayer "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "illions were concerned. The feeling which could keep men together in such an administration, must be, no doubt, one of pure patriotism—an ardent devotion to the interests of their country. The two right hon. gentlemen opposite had devoted themselves for the public good. Their sacrifice was greater than that of the Decii of old; for there, only one consul immolated himself, but here there were two "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "d; for there, only one consul immolated himself, but here there were two [cheers]. A line, it had been said, was drawn in the cabinet on this important question. It was, as was observed by the right hon. Secretary, a serpentine line, drawn by the master hand in that body. With painters, that serpentine line might be the line of beauty; but with moralists, the direct line was the line of integrity "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "loud cheering", "preceding_text": "ars, and by confusion stand. For hot, cold, moist, and dry, four champions fierce, Strive here for mastery, and to battle bring Their embryo atoms; they around the flag Of each his faction, in their several clans Swarm populous. To whom these most adhere 456 He rules a moment; Chaos umpire sits, And by decision more embroils the fray By which he reigns; next him, high arbiter, Chance governs all\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers, and laughter", "preceding_text": "h his faction, in their several clans Swarm populous. To whom these most adhere 456 He rules a moment; Chaos umpire sits, And by decision more embroils the fray By which he reigns; next him, high arbiter, Chance governs all\" [loud cheering]. Would it not appear as if the cabinet had sat for the picture which Milton here drew, or that he had given the recipe for forming the present discordant one? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "Ireland. With respect to the Attorney-general himself he would say, that if he ever could have had a doubt—which he never had—of his sincerity in advocating the claims of his Catholic countrymen, they would have been removed by his manly conduct the other night. That, would have left him convinced, that the Catholics of Ireland had not among their supporters a more zealous able and sincere friend "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ling, he could think of being a party to introduce into parliament a measure, which, from the excitation it was certain to produce among the Catholic population of Ireland, might be attended with consequences which he would not mention, and on which he dared not to reflect—which would be more prejudicial to the safety, honour, and welfare of the empire, even than the loss of the American colonies "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": " was unnecessarily plunged by the last war—evil as were the consequences which arose at the close of that war from the unwise policy of ministers, who tamely abandoned all the advantages they had obtained—evil as all the events he had mentioned were to the empire, still they would be as dust in the balance, when compared with the evil which would arise from producing a war of rebellion in Ireland "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "great cheers.", "preceding_text": "were compelled by sheer necessity. They came, therefore, to this determination —\"Eos demum, qui nihil præterquam de libertate cogitent, dignos esse qui Romani fiant.\" The Privernates, in consequence, obtained all the rights and liberties of the state, and were enrolled in the number of Roman citizens. Would to God that the example of Rome might have some weight in the present times! "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "ons of patriotic wisdom and virtue, and which still possessed a name that could not be pronounced without awe and reverence, might have its effect both in deterring us from measures which must lead, like those they first used towards the Privernates, to insurrection and rebellion, and in teaching us, if insurrection and rebellion should arise, the most efficient means of extinguishing it for ever "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "tition to him, to place it in the hands of the right hon. and learned gentleman opposite, who was more worthy than any other member he knew to succeed to the management of that great cause, which had been formerly intrusted to a man whose memory was still fresh in their recollection, and whose name was endeared to every friend of liberty and humanity, not merely in Ireland, but all over the world "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "em, that, though he declined to present their petition, he should be happy to assist the mighty efforts of the right hon. and learned gentleman in giving it effect; and he should conclude by expressing his hopes to them, that by the gigantic assistance of the right hon. and learned gentleman, they would soon behold the anxious wishes of so many years brought to a happy and a glorious consummation "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "loud cheers", "preceding_text": "ery great advances since the period to which the right hon. and learned gentleman had alluded. But, let that be as it might, it was not for him to flinch from the performance of his duty. The cause was good; the grounds on which it rested were impregnable; and, come what come might, he would be found among its supporters, and would exclaim to the last, with the Roman poet—\"hic murus aheneus esto\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " the character of the prisoner had been wrecked by a verdict—if the storm which blew harmlessly upon him, because the law found him innocent, had overwhelmed him, and he had sunk in the waves of persecution—then, I should have conjectured that the existence of the Association was not so safe—that its proceedings were not likely to contribute to the welfare and advantage of the Catholic population "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cries of hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "oners, and dressed differently from them. And who was this witness? The servant of a brother of one of the prisoners. It was very natural to ask such a witness on his cross-examination, why he had not given this evidence before the coroner or the magistrates;—why he had reserved it for the trial? The judge who presided at the trial refused, however, to allow that question to be put to the witness "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": " the hatred you 507 bear to Orangemen, to be at peace?\" If they had commenced their address to the Catholic people by saying, \"We command you, by the love you bear your Orange brethren, to be at peace,\"—then we should have been told, that it was a piece of hypocrisy on the part of the Association; and I must confess, that in that case, I, for one, should have turned from the document with disgust "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "nd of his (Mr. Grenfell) had, in the course of his speech, made use of an expression which, in the language of the lovers of strong liquor, would be called stout. That hon. gentleman, if I recollect right, said, in the course of his address, \"If the Catholics should resist oppressions which were no longer bearable, and if I were on my death bed, I should pray to God that they might be successful\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ay to God that they might be successful\" [hear, hear!]. Sir, I only allude to this expression of the hon. member, for the purpose of shewing, that when people feel warmly upon any subject, they indulge in a greater latitude of speech than usual—and I will boldly say, that no member of the Catholic Association ever ventured one thousandth part so far as my hon. friend did upon this occasion "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers!", "preceding_text": "te doctrine, which places British connection in contradiction to Irish prudence. I revere them both; for myself, I have no hesitation in saying, that if the wanton ambition of a minister should assault the freedom of Ireland, and compel me to the alternative between it and British connection, I would fling that connection to the winds, and I would clasp the independence of my country to my heart\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "n to redeem his pledge. The words here used are elegant and expressive, but they are strong; they were used by an honest man, a good Irishman, and a true patriot; but, Sir, they were not used without some risk; he was on the very verge; and while I feel that, as an honest man, he would, if necessary, redeem that pledge, I cannot help reflecting, that in doing so he would become a rebel to England "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear! and a laugh", "preceding_text": "xciting the slightest alarm in the mind of the right hon. member for Oxford—nay, the hon. member for Dover (Mr. Butterworth) is prepared to state, that there exists not the slightest similarity between the two bodies. I find Sir, first, that there is a Mr. Kershaw who acts as secretary. I feel it is a tender subject, but I must state it—who acts, I say, as secretary to the committee of privileges "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear! and a laugh", "preceding_text": "nt. I'll warrant me the chancellor of the Exchequer does not make half such quick work of it; though I think I can perceive he would willingly adopt a similar method, if he could make it at all practicable. He, however, had been in the habit of giving three months credit; though latterly, I believe, my hon. friend, the member for Aberdeen, allows him to give a credit of little more than six weeks "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear! land a laugh", "preceding_text": "e by the persons who hold district meetings of Methodists; and that where any gross deficiency was found in the amount of the collection, the chairman was to make strict inquiry into and report upon the cause thereof [hear!]. I'll warrant me, Sir, that inquiry is strictly made; for there is nothing more inquisitorial than religious zeal, particulary when it is directed to financial objects "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d be held out as a security to the public for the purity of their intentions. All this would be said, and it would doubtless be added—\"the Association consists merely of a set of desperate men, in whose views or objects no confidence can be placed.\" In a word, they would be put down as a priestless, peerless assembly; a set of persons having amongst them no individuals of wealth or respectability "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "uch-respected and venerable friend, Mr. Bentham sent to the Association his subscription, accompanied by a recommendation of the question of reform, their answer, sent by a committee appointed for the purpose, was, \"much as we value the question of reform, it will not mix up with our main object—we are determined to stand by the question of Catholic emancipation and a redress of Irish grievances\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ituation—it is, I say, most marvellous, that the right hon. gentleman should be found sitting in a cabinet professing a contrary doctrine, not, indeed, in name, but certainly in substance and effect. Is it not surprising, Sir, that the right hon. gentleman does not use the great talents he possesses, and the means within his power, in order to carry that question, as he easily might do if he list "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "y in substance and effect. Is it not surprising, Sir, that the right hon. gentleman does not use the great talents he possesses, and the means within his power, in order to carry that question, as he easily might do if he list [hear, hear!]? This is the heavy charge which is brought against him; and, I say it more in grief than in harshness, he has but poorly, very poorly, defended himself "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "s so nice—always so unwilling to run counter to public opinion? The chancellor of the Exchequer formed part of the government in 1820; and I ask him, what was the state of public opinion on that most infamous, detestable, and disgusting measure, to which I marvel that any man on the other side can hear an allusion without the crimson starting to his cheeks—I mean the prosecution of the late Queen "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " but could never have surpassed. Like the base, crouching, hesitating, flinching slaves of the divan of Algiers, with the bow-string twanging in their ears, and the scymitar glancing before their eyes, they consented to gratify groundless. but in that high quarter, excusable caprices; though they were without all excuse, beyond what might be found in the most anxious desire to retain their places "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "they have never tried, will ever accomplish the object on which they have so long set their hearts. Let them confide in their old friends, in their faithful and distinguished leaders, those enlightened men who have always ably advocated their cause, in such men as my venerable friend (sir J. Newport), now far advanced in a life spent in their service, the worthy successor of their revered Grattan "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "eart with the Irish Catholics for the attainment of one common object. A noble duke, whom I am proud to call my friend, who would be at the head of any society, but who is especially at the head of the Catholic Society of England, down to the lowest parish priest performing a weekly duty with his flock, have made common cause for a common end, and from this union I anticipate the happiest results "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "continued cheers", "preceding_text": " this question fairly, and to consider the dreadful consequences which may result from passing this measure. Adopt it, and you alienate the Catholics for ever—you convert discontent into rage—you arm rage with new weapons; and upon your heads will be the consequences of this misguided and deluded policy. You, and you only, must be responsible if the present Ireland be torn from the mother country "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cries of \"name, name.\" and \"place, place\"", "preceding_text": "1811. The hon. member, produced a letter, which he held up to the House for some time, amid cries of \"question, question,\" and \"read, read.\" The hon. member commenced the reading of the letter; but he had not proceeded far before a laugh was excited by some member exclaiming \"Amen.\" Mr. B. persevered, and read part of the 520 letter, to shew that the Catholic rent was not a voluntary contribution "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/15/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": " was charged with having administered illegal oaths. It lasted seven hours, and at the conclusion of it the man was acquitted by the unanimous verdict of forty-three magistrates. I regret to say that the evidence for the prosecution appeared to be a foul conspiracy, to accuse and criminate the soldier, and that the most abominable means were resorted to for effecting the object of the conspiracy\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "cheers from the Opposition", "preceding_text": "sociation was liable to be taken up by the serjeant at arms. It was enough for him to know that this Association was the depository of money levied on the people, in opposition to every principle of the constitution. He should reserve an expression of his opinion 561 on the general question of Catholic emancipation, as no doubt a proper opportunity would arrive for the discussion of that question "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "ed some precedents which might serve as a guide to the House. It was true they were Irish precedents, and it was the fashion with right hon. gentlemen opposite to undervalue or overrate such precedents as best suited their arguments. There was one precedent which he thought particularly' applicable in the present parliament, as it related to a Catholic case which ocurred in the reign of king Anne "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "trongly in point. In 1715, in the reign of George the 1st. a bill was introduced for \"the security of his majesty's person and government,\" this bill contained a clause relative to the oath of supremacy, in consequence of which the Catholics petitioned to be heard; counsel were, accordingly, ordered and heard. What was the result? The counsel prevailed, and the objectionable clause was struck out "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "ght lead to the rejection of this abominable measure, or whether the bill were afterwards passed in its present or a modified shape, it would after a fair hearing go forth, as it were, with the assent of the Catholics; they would be made consenting parties; but if they turned a deaf ear to the prayer of the petitioners, they would incur a fearful responsibility which they might yet live to repent "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d standing upon their own responsibility, without any select committee, without any secret committee, without partial or garbled extracts, they were assailed by the other side of the House for departing from precedents and general principles. He conceived that the only question was, whether the evil of this Catholic Association, and of other associations of the same nature, were notorious or not? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "a loud 'No!' from some hon. member", "preceding_text": " Ireland, but declare that they 587 themselves join in the general feeling of respect and veneration; and this is the second and the gravest charge against them. Now, Sir, in the first place, I assert, and I offer to prove my assertion by witnesses, that the Association are not only borne out by the fact, when they assert that no man in Ireland is more respected or beloved than Mr. Hamilton Rowan "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/feb/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/feb/18/unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "section": "unlawful-societies-in-ireland-bill-1", "cue_text": "loud cheers.", "preceding_text": "urse, not of passing the bill, but of refusing to enter into any inquiry with respect to the facts on which its authors profess to found it—if, notwithstanding the most astounding instance of a misrepresentation of the truth which I have just exposed in the case of Mr. Hamilton Rowan, you still 591 persist, I beg to deliver myself from all share of the responsibility. On your heads be it!\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/jul/01", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/jul/01/president-of-the-board-of-trade", "section": "president-of-the-board-of-trade", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": " the session. A suggestion had been made by him, and in that he was glad to find a concurrence in the feelings of gentlemen on every side of the House, that the services of a right hon. gentleman at the head of a certain department, to whose labours the country had been so much indebted; he meant the president of the Board of Trade (Mr. Huskisson), had not been sufficiently rewarded by the public "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/jun/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/jun/06/duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "section": "duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "cue_text": "hear,hear", "preceding_text": " decision, under the flimsy pretext of a provision for the child of the duke of Cumberland. He should move therefore, as an amendment, \"that the House do resolve itself into the said committee upon that day six months.\" 1048 Mr. Coke thought it was preposterous to demand an annuity of 6,000 l. for the duke of Cumberland's child, when it was evident that the grant was intended for the duke himself "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/jun/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/jun/06/duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "section": "duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": " proposition which they had twice before rejected. This child for whom an annuity of 6,000 l . a-year was asked, did not wear a cloak long enough to conceal the real object of the grant. He felt it is duty, on this occasion, to vote against his hon. friends on the Treasury bench, and he could not compliment them on their skill in military tactics, in having put the infantry in front of the battle "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/jun/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/jun/06/duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "section": "duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "he had thought that illustrious individual was very hardly dealt with. Much obloquy had been levelled at this royal duke; but he would say, on his honour and conscience, that those accusations which had been industriously circulated through the country were destitute of foundation. The duke of Cumberland and his duchess were at present enjoying the highest degree of domestic happiness and comfort "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/jun/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/jun/06/duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "section": "duke-of-cumberlands-annuity-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "attempt to combat by argument what had not been fairly brought forward as substantial objections. Beyond the concessions which the government had already made, it was impossible to go. His majesty's ministers had no right to inflict upon the duke of Cumberland an opprobrium, which, if he could have deserved, they would have forgotten their duty to the country in bringing his name before the House "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/mar/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/mar/11/cruelty-to-animals-bill", "section": "cruelty-to-animals-bill", "cue_text": "a laugh.", "preceding_text": "ea each, one from a part of Middlesex, and the other from Cow-cross. The dog that shows the finest and fullest game, and comes the cleanest into hand afterwards, wins all. After that there will be a mad bull let loose with fire-works all over him, and two or three cats tied to his tail: also other varieties of bull-baiting and bear-baiting, beginning at two o'clock in the afternoon.—Vivat Regina\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/mar/25", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/mar/25/foreign-commerce-of-the-country", "section": "foreign-commerce-of-the-country", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ranch of our commerce should be placed on a different footing from any other. This was his opinion; and he felt that the truth and justice of the cause was daily gaining ground, and commanding the reluctant assent of those who had hitherto been opposed to it. He entertained no doubt that, in a short time, it would be as generally supported as it had, at a previous period, been obstinately opposed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/mar/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/mar/28/miscellaneous-estimates-public-buildings", "section": "miscellaneous-estimates-public-buildings", "cue_text": "hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "the great tide of human existence flowed;\" and he knew of no more fit situation than the neighbourhood of Pall-mall or Charing-cross. It was even desirable that the paintings should not be in the same place with the other interesting objects in the Museum. It was not when exhausted by viewing 1266 sculptures, and other works of antiquity and taste, that one should go into the gallery of paintings—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/mar/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/mar/28/miscellaneous-estimates-public-buildings", "section": "miscellaneous-estimates-public-buildings", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "he question had been mooted as to the situation of the gallery. He had intrusted his pictures to the trustees of the British Museum, as a corporate body acting on behalf of the public, and for the public benefit. The Dulwich collection was at least as fine as that of sir George Beaumont; and was quite as distant as Russell-square; though he did not profess to know exactly where Russell square was "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/04", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/04/combination-laws", "section": "combination-laws", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "e to his hands. It was a set of resolutions adopted, on the 13th of November 1824, by the operative coal-miners, who, after appointing a regular delegated body, ordained, that no person should be allowed to work as a coal-miner, unless he had been engaged in the trade from the age of sixteen. This, and other resolutions, were said to be adopted in order \"to support the welfare of the profession \" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "d to set the right hon. gentleman right. It was not on account of the marriage of his royal highness, that the House of Commons refused the former proposed grants. If the marriage was improper, why was it not prevented by the advisers of the Crown, by the marriage laws: or, if it was felt to be unsuitable, why was it sanctioned by any subsequent offer of a settlement? But, it was not the marriage "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ubsequent offer of a settlement? But, it was not the marriage [hear, hear!]. He believed it was a rotoed dislike, whether ill-founded or well-founded he was not called upon to say; but he believed it to be a rooted dislike which procured the rejection of those grants. There most certainly existed a prejudice against that royal duke throughout the whole country—it was felt by man, woman, and child "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ragoons, which made his income 19,000 l . a year. He lived abroad, not 912 because he held any office, as the duke of Cambridge did, but he lived abroad to please himself. He lived in a cheap country too; where his income of 19,000 l . per annum was equal to 30,000 l . in this country. When, therefore, 6,000 l . additional was asked for him and his family, why did he not shew himself amongst them "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "0 l . per annum was equal to 30,000 l . in this country. When, therefore, 6,000 l . additional was asked for him and his family, why did he not shew himself amongst them [hear, hear!]? The House was called upon to grant an additional sum to sustain his and his family's dignity. Why did he not, spend his income here, to maintain the dignity and splendor of the country from whence he drew his funds "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ly's dignity. Why did he not, spend his income here, to maintain the dignity and splendor of the country from whence he drew his funds [hear, hear!]? How different was the conduct of his royal brother, the heir presumptive. How differently provided for, and he said so with regret, was the duke of York,—crippled as he was with debts. Yet, to liquidate those debts he has never applied to parliament "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " state; and certainly the present course was no bed means of relieving the extraordinary fullness. Let, however, the money be paid here, when the young prince arrived; otherwise there was no security for its being spent in this country. He would much rather subscribe to pay the debts of another branch of that august family, whose carriages were notoriously taken in execution in the public streets "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "section": "provision-for-the-duchess-of-kent-and", "cue_text": "hear, hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "chequer with what he so oddly called \"a more distant proximity,\" and was for extending the bounty of parliament to nephews, nieces, and to the third and fourth generations. Not one of these might come to the Crown, and the public, therefore, had little interest in them; nor could it be said that their education would be good in proportion to the number of thousand pounds granted for that purpose. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/27/judges-salaries", "section": "judges-salaries", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "on of body, it was impossible for any man to exceed him. He said this, because it was a bare act of justice. When it was represented, over and over again, that the 933 lord chancellor was wallowing in wealth extracted from suitors, and derived in part from an inadequate discharge of duty, it became necessary to step forward to rescue so distinguished an individual from a most unmerited imputation "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, and a laugh.", "preceding_text": " had had from the first, no expectation from the labours of, that commission. He thought the appointment of it was nothing but a parliamentary manœvre of the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Peel). He was not blaming him for it. He would admit that if he sat at the same side, had the same object, and possessed the countenance of the right hon. gentleman, he should follow the same course. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "tleman opposite (Mr. Peel). He was not blaming him for it. He would admit that if he sat at the same side, had the same object, and possessed the countenance of the right hon. gentleman, he should follow the same course. [hear, and a laugh.] When he made this admission, he would only express his surprise that the right hon. gentleman could have mentioned the commission with a serious countenance, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "1,200, including the causes to be heard. Now, looking at the mode in which business had proceeded in Chancery since the year 1813, and taking the average of causes heard in each year in that time, as the measure by which to judge of the future progress of the court, the last cause now on the list would come on for a hearing (he would not say when for judgment) in forty years from the present date "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " for the duration of a chancery suit, or 10,000 l . a sum a little too large to be expended on it, perhaps they would receive from the commission some such copious relief, as a reduction of the time to twenty-nine years and nine months, and of the expense to 9,999 l . That was the quantum of relief to be expected from a commission thus constituted, and thus tediously, if not laboriously, employed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "the commission, partial or otherwise, was received by the House, the time would be thought to have arrived for considering the system of the transfer of real property in England—a system which, if gentlemen thought of it at all, they must see to be utterly disgraceful to the country, and to be matter of perfect sarcasm, ridicule, and disgust, to those who understood it, and saw how it was managed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "Cries of \"no, no,\" from the ministerial benches.", "preceding_text": "rose 967 as to his competency to make such a will, it was a matter of right to the heir to demand a trial of the testator's competency before a jury of the country; Whereas, if he died worth 100,000 l . personal property, and the question arose of his competency to make a will, it was impossible, by any exertion of legal skill, to get that question framed into an issue to be tried by the country? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear, from the ministerial benches", "preceding_text": "f he was wrong in that opinion, no doubt his learned friend, the Solicitor-general, who, he expected, would enter at length into the defence of the court in which he practised, would hereafter set him right, and point out the mode by which that issue was to be obtained. But if he had any knowledge in the trade of the law (and he did not pretend to much), the fact decidedly was as he had stated it "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "too late, and they did not think their inquiry to be limited to the mere form of the proceedings in the court of Chancery—he would venture, he said, to suggest to them the propriety of making certain necessary and fundamental changes in that court. They might be made with perfect safety; because, if what he had heard of the court was correct, he defied any man, by any alteration, to make it worse "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "nd his lordship promised to give his judgment this day week 2 0 0 8. Attending court, but the lord chancellor did not give his judgment according to his promise 0 6 8 The learned gentleman then proceeded to say, that though there had been all these attendances on the part of the solicitor, and all these promises on the part of the lord chancellor, the matter had not yet been brought to a decision "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "he best to be pursued in such cases—after he had assailed her with all the artillery of sighs and glances—after he had attempted to draw her into an epistolary correspondence, and had tried, but in vain, many other amatory proceedings, received the advice of his squire to write her \"a love-letter in Chan-eery,\" which, he stated, Would bring her o'er to be his wife, Or make her weary of her life.\"—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "ver been considered as a whole—never looked upon with an enlarged and comprehensive eye, and therefore the microscopic glances which were occasionally taken at it, had not only helped to render \"confusion worse confounded,\" but instead of improving that which required improvement and was capable of it, to bring the general system from bad to worse and make it what it was—a disgrace to the country "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "e did not affect or venture upon any thing so foolish as to propose any remedy. It was no answer to his complaint, to say, that he was unable to suggest a remedy. Whether such remedy could or could not be applied was what he should not say; but, this he would say, and did say, that whether the reformation were practicable or not, it was due to the people of England that the attempt should be made "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": " the history of his wars and the vices of his military ambition would have long passed away. What a great neighbouring country had so well done, might surely be tried in this: the reformation of the code was bequeathed to them as the legacy of a great man's genius and industry, done by him in prosperity, as they might do it now, having the same necessity and the benefit of tire successful example "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "at no man could enter the court of Chancery, to seek justice, without in the first place being a person of opulence? In another case, which also fell within his own knowledge, but without being individually a party in the suit, he had acted as one of the assignees of a bankrupt, and a defendant had converted a matter of business into a suit in Chancery; that suit had lasted for twenty-three years "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "in Bath, for his health, he met there his hon. friend (Mr. Baring), the member for Taunton, who was a creditor upon the estate. They consulted what had better be done to relieve the parties from their existing difficulties, and his hon. friend sat himself down to unravel the accounts, and in three 984 hours put into order that which the court of Chancery had failed to do in three-and twenty years "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ioners were invested with certain limited powers: but, the objects of the inquiry, and the nature and tenor of their commission, would not enable them to take into their consideration many important subjects which bad been touched upon by his hon. and learned friend. They had no power to inquire whether the present system of jurisdiction which prevailed in the court of Chancery was right or wrong "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "ber for Westminster. There was, in these reports, information as to the number of charities in each county, distinguishing those whose endowments were above ten pounds, from those the endowments of which were below that sum. This was rather a long answer but it would soon be over. Fortunately, unlike the proceedings in Chancery, there was some hope that it would be terminated at one time or other "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "uld be terminated at one time or other [a laugh].—He now came to the subject immediately before the House, which, as compared with that he had just touched upon, was like plunging from light to darkness. He alluded to the practice of the court of Chancery. He never thought of that court without recollecting the words of the poet—\" Let those who enter 1005 leave all hope behind;\" that was Chancery "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "e was at a loss to know. Not one of them, so far as he was aware, had been brought forward. [The Solicitor-general said, \"Many of them bad been heard.\"] He was very glad to hear it. But he knew of some of them, which had been introduced in 1820, and of which he had heard nothing since. If, however, they had been thus delayed, they were only taking pot-luck with the rest of the cases in that court "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "ect for a whole year; and he never expected that the noble and learned lord would speak. To say that he was surprised at this commission not having done any thing, would be a ludicrous assertion—to declare that he was disappointed at their efforts, would be a laughable assertion, too ludicrous for the gravity of the subject. He expected nothing from the first; and he had just got what he expected "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "section": "delays-in-the-court-of-chancery", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "igious scruple, decline following his example. The pope to whom he alluded had adjudged himself to be burned. He accused himself with having committed various crimes—such as the pronouncing false judgments, delays of justice, extortion &c.; and he held himself to be in a state of mortal sin. He exclaimed \"Judico me cremari;\" and what followed? \"Et judicatus fuit—et crematus fuit—et Sanctus fuit.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1825/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1825/may/31/cotton-mills-regulation-bill", "section": "cotton-mills-regulation-bill", "cue_text": "hear, hear", "preceding_text": "believed, that the effect of reducing the hours of labour for the children would be to throw them out of employ altogether. The present complaints were got up by a most formidable combination, which called itself \"The Grand Union of Operative Spinners.\" There were several unions formed for the purpose of raising funds to be used against their employers. An hon. friend of his said, \"So they ought\" "}