{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " friendly. I find that some persons, whose frame of mind it is very difficult for me to appreciate, seem to take a pleasure in imputing the basest motives for the public actions of men with whom they happen to differ, and suggest that I only joined the Government with a preconceived determination to leave it at the first opportunity. The statement is not only utterly untrue, but it is ridiculous. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ght hon. Friend, in reply to my request that I might have permission to explain the cause of my resignation, wrote to me a letter to the effect that he had obtained the permission of Her Majesty that I might state the reasons—I forget the exact words, but I think he will agree that I am giving the sense—which had led to my resignation \"in connection with the scheme for the Government of Ireland.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ncession does not appear to me to have gone far enough. I connected the collection of Customs and Excise with the continued presence of Irish Members in this House; and under the system proposed by my right hon. Friend now you have an anomaly which I cannot help thinking the Irish Members themselves must feel intolerable and degrading. [\"No, no!\"] They are the sole judges in such a matter. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "heering me a little too soon. I believe they are the sole judges as to their own sentiments, and not, of course, of what this Imperial Parliament should do. Well, all I can say is that the new proposal seems to me to be inconsistent with what I understood my right hon. Friend laid down as a cardinal principle of our English Constitution—namely, that taxation and representation should go together. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Ironical Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": "en imposed on me when I say briefly my objection is not to one portion of the scheme, but to the scheme as a whole. I object to either part of the scheme. I object—I will not say to the proposal of my right hon. Friend, because I do not know what it is—I shall not know until he has explained it in the final form which it has received—but I know this—that what ever it is I shall object if it lays——"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " homogeneous community—that it consists of two nations—[\"No, no!\"]—that it is a nation which comprises two races and two religions. [\"No, no!\"] At least, hon. Members will not deny that. And whatever the Roman Catholics of Ireland may think of this matter, it is certain that the Protestants will believe, rightly or wrongly, that it is injurious to them, and that they will resist it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "rica can our exiles forget the shriek of The Times \"that the Irish were going with a vengeance,\" and that soon \"a belt in Connemara would be as rare as a red Indian in Manhattan.\" These are things that set the blood of Irishmen afire; and I say, when we find an Englishman ready to rush forward and ready to give us a large measure of our just rights, base indeed were we if we rejected that scheme. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Home Rule ironical cheers.", "preceding_text": "t the right hon. Gentleman would not strike this great blow at the British Constitution, which would have the effect of crushing the liberties of a large portion of the Irish people, or of giving rise to the other alternative to which he had alluded upon more than one occasion—of resistance to the Acts of this Irish Parliament by the inhabitants of the Province of Ulster at the risk of civil war. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "repeal on the ground of any principles of ascendency or the right of one party more than another. He did not now recede from those principles; but what they dreaded in Ulster was that if the 1232 Utopian scheme of the right hon. Gentleman, by any extraordinary circumstance became the law of the land, the Protestants of Ulster would be dominated and tyrannized over by the majority of that country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": " of the legislation of the Prime Minister. He would not accuse hon. Members below the Gangway of insincerity in their utterances in that House when they said that they believed that the Protestants of Ireland would be perfectly safe if that Bill were passed and Ireland had a Parliament of her own; but he did not think that those hon. Members knew the tendency of the system to which they belonged. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "integrity of the Empire to which they were proud to belong; but they trusted to the wisdom of Parliament to relieve them from that great calamity, and to uphold the integrity of the Empire. As he saw the noble Marquess the Member for the Rossendale Division of Lancashire (the Marquess of Hartington) in his place, he would, venture to read to the House one or two extracts from his recent speeches. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "sensibly to impair, the unity of the Empire. Well, Sir, what is the meaning of \"United Kingdom?\" The words \"United Kingdom\" have some meaning distinct from the words \"British Empire.\" The British Empire must endure, though separate Legislatures were conferred, not only upon Ireland, but upon England, Scotland, and Wales. But the United Kingdom is the creation of a particular Act—the Act of Union. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " to another point, which it seems to me difficult to dismiss altogether from our consideration. He has reminded us that the Prime Minister said that the task of dealing with questions as to the government of Ireland by a Government which did not command a clear majority in this House, and which was depending for its existence upon the Irish Party, would be a work of extreme danger and difficulty. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers from the Opposition.", "preceding_text": "erogative of the Crown would remain absolutely intact; that the veto, therefore, will remain subject to no more limitation than exists either in the case of a Colony or any other political relations. With reference to the power of Parliament, of course the power of Parliament is absolutely illimitable; and if to-morrow or on the morrow of the day that we have passed this Statute, if we do pass it—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: For how long?", "preceding_text": "ts as I hope to see incorporated in the Bill—it is perfectly within the competence of Parliament to repeal the Act. A very important point was touched by my noble Friend when he asked what our relations with the Royal Irish Constabulary would be. I have only to say in answer to that that the Royal Irish Constabulary will remain in every respect and detail under the control of the Lord Lieutenant. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "re necessary. Ireland will not wait, the state of Ireland will not wait, till a scheme of federation is adjusted and framed. Nobody who knows anything at all of the state of Ireland at this moment, and the expectations that exist there, the organization that is at work there, can doubt that the failure of our scheme and our displacement from Office will be a signal for a state of things that will—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\" and cheers.", "preceding_text": "ose who would have the carrying out of the policy which is commonly called a policy of coercion, and I will toll you what is the opinion of those who have the best right to judge what the suppression of the League would mean. It would mean the passing of a Coercion Act which would give the Executive authority in Ireland the power to put down meetings, the power to suppress and exclude newspapers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "hon. Member opposite who appears to like that. You must give them power to arrest on suspicion, power to enter houses wherever the police thought necessary on the chance of there being illegal meetings held in them. And I will tell you one more thing you would have to do. If you take violent measures against the League, you would have to lock up a good many priests, and, perhaps, a Bishop or two. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers", "preceding_text": "e myself, I think, values nothing so much for our Empire as the building up within it of strong and firm, and, if necessary, stern Government. But I wonder how he will reconcile his hopes of a strong and a firm Government with the picture our policy in Ireland during the last eight years, not to speak of the last 80 years, has presented—how we have gone from vacillation to vacillation—how we have—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he chaos of policies on both sides of this House. Hon. Gentlemen opposite may remember that when the late Government was formed Lord Carnarvon, who was the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, made a very admirable and eloquent speech, in which he said he hoped the time had 1275 come when we were to get rid of the old miserable expedient of coercion, and when we were to frame a new policy of conciliation. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cheers, and cries of \"Order, order!\" from the Irish Members.", "preceding_text": " conciliation. § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL (Paddington, S.) I beg to move the adjournment of the debate. § Motion made, and Question proposed, \"That the Debate be now adjourned.\"—( Lord Randolph Churchill. ) § MR. MITCHELL HENRY (Glasgow, Blackfriars) Before that Motion is put, I beg to enter my protest against the hints and suggestions to assassination which the right hon. Gentleman—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "ies of \"Order, order!\" from the Irish Members. ] These hints and suggestions to the assassins of America—— § MR. PARNELL (Cork) Mr. Speaker, I rise to Order. § MR. SPEAKER The Motion is for the adjournment of the debate. § MR. MITCHELL HENRY Well, this may be taken as my speech. [\"Order!\"] I say, Mr. Speaker, the remarks of the right hon. Gentleman will be interpreted—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "to submit to you whether the hon. Member for one of the divisions of Glasgow is entitled to address the House, on a Motion for the adjournment of the debate, on the merits of the Main Question? § MR. SPEAKER I have already informed the hon. Gentleman that it is the Motion for the adjournment. The hon. Member is not in Order. § MR. MITCHELL HENRY Mr. Speaker, I beg to ask you a question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Name, name!\"", "preceding_text": " the debate, on the merits of the Main Question? § MR. SPEAKER I have already informed the hon. Gentleman that it is the Motion for the adjournment. The hon. Member is not in Order. § MR. MITCHELL HENRY Mr. Speaker, I beg to ask you a question. [ Cries of \"Name!\"] § MR. SPEAKER The Question is, \"That the Debate be now adjourned.\" § MR. MITCHELL HENRY On that Motion, Sir—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/apr/09", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/apr/09/motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "section": "motion-for-leave-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Name!\" from the Irish Members.", "preceding_text": "mber is not in Order. § MR. MITCHELL HENRY Mr. Speaker, I beg to ask you a question. [ Cries of \"Name!\"] § MR. SPEAKER The Question is, \"That the Debate be now adjourned.\" § MR. MITCHELL HENRY On that Motion, Sir—[ Cries of \"Name, name!\"] I ask the indulgence of the House to permit me to make one observation. [\"Name!\"] I believe, Mr. Speaker, that I am entitled—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/jan/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/jan/12/election-of-a-speaker", "section": "election-of-a-speaker", "cue_text": "Loud cheers. Mr. BIGGAR: No, no!", "preceding_text": " this House and upon the respect and affection of the British nation. But he had other claims, and stronger claims—personal and individual claims—which recommended him to the notice of the House of Commons, and which were his real recommendation for the high post for which he was selected. He was known for his high and independent character, for his spotless integrity, for his unvarying courtesy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/jun/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/jun/16/part-ii-burghs", "section": "part-ii-burghs", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ious complaint that the present heavy charges which attend an Election contest prevent a very large number of the working classes from appealing to the constituencies. Hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House have always been in the habit of endeavouring to win Elections by the use of a long purse. I am not, therefore, surprised that an opposition to this proposal should have come from them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/jun/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/jun/16/part-ii-burghs", "section": "part-ii-burghs", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "Gentleman rose in his place, after the defeat of the Government, and stated that no controversial subjects would be supported by the Government, because it was necessary that the constituents should be consulted as soon as possible. I heard him make that statement myself from that very Bench opposite, and then on Friday 1644 morning, at 3 o'clock, this question was suddenly sprung upon the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/jun/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/jun/16/bill-274-second-reading", "section": "bill-274-second-reading", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": " HARCOURT) (Derby) expressed a hope that the hon. and learned Member for Plymouth would not press his objection to the Committee stage being taken before Monday, because in that case it would involve the loss of the Bill. § MR. EDWARD CLARKE said, that he should just like to say to the House that this Bill was introduced on the early morning of Friday last. It was put down for second reading—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/crime-and-outrage-ireland-alleged", "section": "crime-and-outrage-ireland-alleged", "cue_text": "\"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " that give ground for the dismissal of Steen from his position? § MR. JOHNSTON May I ask whether it is to be a subject for dismissal the taking part in an anti-rebel demonstration? MR. JOHN MORLEY In reply to the Question of the hon. Member, I cannot promise dismissal until the evidence is laid before us. § MR. MACARTNEY Are we to understand that Nationalists are the only people who can—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Where?\"", "preceding_text": "her there ought to be one Chamber or two. It was true, however, that they had the highest authority—he was speaking of hon. Members opposite—for the existence of a single Chamber. Lord Beaconsfield himself had said that nobody wanted a second Chamber, except a few disreputable individuals, and that it was a valuable institution for any Member who had neither distinction nor character nor talents. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " more absurd than to suppose that any single class, when they had the power, would legislate for any class except themselves? They might as well, in an assembly of cats and mice, imagine the cats would legislate in the interests of the mice. It might be thought that, being so rich, these noble Lords were personally independent. But was this the case? A more self-seeking body of men did not exist. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Much laughter.", "preceding_text": "as said that this would be degrading, and would destroy its independence. Yet a very small sum of division showed that these hereditary Peers, notwithstanding their vast wealth, were paid out of the public Treasury an average of £700 per annum each for their services. But that was not all; they had relatives. There was a very valuable book published annually—namely, The Financial Reform Almanack, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\" and \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "our to pass it. That was the reductio ad absurdum, and it was clear that the hon. Gentleman, by acting in that way, wanted to defend the rights of minorities. He hoped he had proved, by the analogy of these cases, that the hon. Gentleman did not want the House to pass this Resolution, that he brought it forward with a deep meaning, and that he did not mind being thought con-contemptible and mean. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "o be agitated through an autumn, and after having presented to it the second issue of a most formidable conflict, the House of Lords did then give way, I cannot help saying, why was that course not adopted on the first occasion? It was not owing to any change on our part. There was nothing done by us on the second occasion which we did not from the first make known our readiness and desire to do. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/05/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers.", "preceding_text": "r the honour of being Ministers of the Crown, the adoption of a Resolution of this kind is a virtual promise to give it effect. In my opinion there is nothing which would so much excite the suspicions of the House, nothing which would throw it into such a mood of vigilant jealousy, as the detection of any tendency on the part of the Ministry to deal in promises in lieu of dealing in performances. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/19/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "lling the Executive Government on matters of peace and war, seem to have been gradually devolved upon the Privy Council, at a time when that Body was a reality, and not, as it is now, a sham. I believe that this continued until the Reign of Charles II., when the King, as Mr. Hallam says, \"wanted to be absolute, for which both he and his brother had a great predilection.\" I have no doubt they had. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/19/parliament-business-of-the-house-1", "section": "parliament-business-of-the-house-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\" and \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "AKER There is no Question before the House at all. § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL Can Supply be set down for Monday without the Order of the House? § MR. SPEAKER I have already said that it has been set up for Monday. That was put from the Chair, and the House decided to defer the Order for Supply until Monday. § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL But we object to that. We raised opposition to it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/mar/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/mar/19/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "n. Gentleman who has the Bill in hand. As regards the necessity for a registrar to be present at Nonconformist marriages, I believe there is a growing feeling in this country, as there is in many other countries, that the civil and religious services should be separate. I am aware that progress has to be originated on this side of the House, and that it is very tardily accepted on the other side. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/11/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "reatens to rob them of that free, unrestricted use of a common which has been their undisputed right for centuries. The inhabitants of the parish have sent a Petition to this House, passed by a large majority at a public meeting, in which they say—I will not read the whole of the Petition, but merely a few words— It is not desirable, in the interests of the commoners and of the public generally\"— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/11/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "d be procured in Hayling Island for allotments for the poor. I am glad to see that the hon. Member assents to that proposal. The lord of the manor agreed to give up 10 acres of the best agricultural land in his possession on Hayling Island, to be selected by the Commissioners. It is freehold land worth £75 per acre, and the land on the common that he is to receive is 742 absolutely worth nothing. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/11/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "n Committee, arrived at after full inquiry and examination, after having received a Report from the Land Commission, and after having heard all the evidence. It would, I think, be unfortunate to set aside their decision after the case had been fully sifted and deliberately threshed out by the Committee. My own impression is in favour of standing by the Report of the Committee in a case like this. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "l side of the House ought to lend their aid to every attempt made to promote the purity of elections, because he was quite sure that the aim and desire of the electors generally was in that direction. Morever, it was well-known that electoral corruption did not generally proceed from the Liberal side, but 835 was rather to be looked for on the part of those who belonged to the Conservative Party. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Where?", "preceding_text": "f the arrangements were so faulty that they greatly facilitated the desire exhibited by Gentlemen below the Gangway to ensure the freedom from secrecy of the ballot by enabling a number of gentlemen who had no business there to loiter about the rooms. To his own knowledge, in many districts the polling booths were crowded from morning to night by people who had no more business there than he had. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "hat House, he hoped, would give no more encouragement to working men, as far as unreasonable contests were concerned, than to any other candidates. All that working men could require was that they would be made equal to their social superiors before the law. In Ireland, at the last Election, they had to deal not merely with individual bogus candidates, but with a universally extended organization—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "\"No, no!\" and \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " put forward in Ireland who had not the smallest hope of getting more than an infinitesimal fraction of the votes of the constituency. The Irish Loyal and Patriotic Union not merely put constituencies to the turmoil of contested elections in hopeless cases, but they did so without any pecuniary risk to these bogus candidates, and some of their candidates engaged in contests at a pecuniary profit. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "hout any pecuniary risk to these bogus candidates, and some of their candidates engaged in contests at a pecuniary profit. [\"No, no!\" and \"Hear, hear!\"] He was himself personally aware of one case of the sort; and he would fearlessly state the fact in the House, that one of the candidates who was put up to contest one of the divisions of the County of Cork made a profit of considerably over £100. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "tes engaged in contests at a pecuniary profit. [\"No, no!\" and \"Hear, hear!\"] He was himself personally aware of one case of the sort; and he would fearlessly state the fact in the House, that one of the candidates who was put up to contest one of the divisions of the County of Cork made a profit of considerably over £100. [ Cries of \"Name!\"] He made that statement from his own personal knowledge. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: They cost nothing.", "preceding_text": "er they considered that taking divisions in this House, when they had no expectation for a moment of carrying them, was a bogus proceeding or not? Were Irish Members prepared to say that progress towards success upon their part of the principles they had in view had not been made by taking divisions which were practically, according to the view of the House generally at the time, bogus divisions? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/second-reading-1", "section": "second-reading-1", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ich would be benefited by it. He would just give one instance, which he thought showed how the Act worked. With regard to the land on the banks of the Thames. It was well known that owners of land, who had property adjoining the Thames in London, had their land very much improved in value in consequence of the construction of the Thames Enbankment. He would take the case of the Duke of Buccleuch. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/12/adjourned-debate", "section": "adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " men to purchase for their wives and families meat or other nutritious substances, and milk was not always to be had. They were reduced to beer, or, at any rate, it was their habit to take beer for breakfast, beer for dinner, beer for tea, and beer for supper. Under these circumstances, he thought the House would agree with him that it was highly desirable that the poor man's beer should be pure. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "ns with which the Bill is hemmed in. These restrictions and safeguards will be only fresh points for agitation, and no finality can be expected from the Bill. If the House will allow me, I will quote a few words from a speech made by the hon. Member for Cork (Mr. Parnell) at Castlebar recently. What were they but words of intimidation—that Ireland was not to be under foreign or any other control? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ssions. Can anything be more calculated than the Prime Minister's speech the other night to stir up fresh agitation against the Union? He made some very strong observations denouncing the way in which the Union was brought about. I am not going to defend the way in which the Union was brought about. It is no duty of mine to defend the means by 1173 which that Union was effected and brought about. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Just now", "preceding_text": "ividuality of temperament or their individuality of character, nor have they in many cases departed entirely from their customs and their laws. But the Irish, although an ancient and a proud nation, are a warm-hearted and a generous people; and I believe that by a fair but generous administration of the law, and by showing to them that we are willing to consider any just grievance which they have—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "s not easy at this moment to regard the speech of the right hon. Gentleman, with its moderate tone, as representing or indicating the new point of departure taken by the Leader of his Party. I read to-day with nothing short of amazement a speech delivered by the Leader of the Tory Party, rivalling and excelling in calculated recklessness any speech ever uttered by either Nationalist or Orangeman. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "hen used an expression rather too conversational for so serious an accusation. He said—\"That Irish Members of Parliament will swear anything you like.\" I heard it said the other night, on a Bench below the Gangway, that the Irish promises must be met with disbelief, and I regretted that statement; but the Leader of the Tory Party goes further, and says that he will not believe them on their oath. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Opposition 1180 cheers.", "preceding_text": "to fear for the future. Hon. Members opposite believe that the cleavage of the Liberal Party is an accomplished fact, and the Leader of the Tory Party thinks that the time has come when he may safely snap his fingers at the Liberal Party. He seeks to rouse the fighting spirit of his own Party, saying—\"We will accept their assistance, but not trust in it; we will trust in our own right arm alone.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "nment as we may choose to give them.\" But the benefits which the noble Lord showered upon us are not yet exhausted. There is one more to come. He has a practical policy in substitution for the Land Purchase Bill . He does not want to buy out the landlords; he does not want to save their property for them; he wants to spend the money on the emigration of 1,000,000 of the depleted Irish population. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Opposition laughter.", "preceding_text": "and they know it will. In case it desires to reconsider that delegation of powers, or even to recall it, it has ample power to do so, and to reconstitute the delegated authority by resummoning the Irish Members, and you will find your own Imperial Parliament which meets here to-night reconstituted to consider without prejudice and without being hampered in its decision the whole question de novo. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "ration. That aspiration which we call patriotism is implanted in our breasts for no poor purpose. It is providentially there. It cannot be destroyed without danger to the State that attempts to destroy it. Why, there are very few of us whose youth carries us back beyond the Revolutions of 1848 who do not recollect the lessons then taught. I have often spoken freely on this subject of nationality. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers and ironical laughter.", "preceding_text": "e one reservation. If it were possible to conceive so serious a danger, it seems to me that if a policy of refusal of all concession for 20 years, with coercion in the meantime, were to be adopted and applied to this unfortunate country, it it not impossible that before the end of 20 years, in some moment of England's sudden and unexpected danger and weakness, an enemy might be found at her side. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " weakness, an enemy might be found at her side. [ Home Rule cheers and ironical laughter. ] Yes, I repeat it; obstinate injustice and oppression will make an enemy in time of any people. My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has been accused of basing his policy on the words of the hon. Member for Cork (Mr. Parnell). My right hon. Friend is too experienced a man to base a great policy like this—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Ironical laughter from the Opposition Benches.", "preceding_text": " to it as necessary to satisfy the Irish mind, to benefit the Irish people, and they point to it as safely grantable consistently with the unity of this Realm. But though my right hon. Friend would be wrong in basing his measure on the word of any man or of any number of men, it is permissible, I think, to note the change of tone which has come over so many Members of the Irish Nationalist Party. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" from the Opposition.", "preceding_text": "iously with Prussia. I will give another instance, which is rather a curious one. It is an instance on a small scale, because the population of the Island is small; but it relates to a country which ought to be interesting to us, not only from the ties of blood which unite us to its people, but from the splendour, unrivalled in the modern world, of its early literature—I mean the case of Iceland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "n itself. I believe that Ireland will be better legislated for in a Legislature in Dublin by its own Members, because that Legislature will be in sympathy with the feelings and will understand the needs of its fellow-citizens. We, in this Parliament—English and Scotch Members—are ignorant of the wants of the Irish 1227 people. We vote at the sound of the division bell, as the Party Whips tell us. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Laughter from the Opposition.", "preceding_text": "t of dislike to some of its details, and in the hope, apparently, of what they call a federal scheme—which they will not get from the Party opposite—whether they are not throwing away the best chance offered us in this century of healing the secular strife between the two countries? The opinion of the whole Irish race throughout the world has welcomed this Bill—has expressed its gratitude for it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: What about Ulster?", "preceding_text": " it. [ Laughter from the Opposition. ] I am glad of that scornful laugh. It shows the sentiments which hon. Members opposite entertain. It shows how low is their view of human nature, as well as of Irish human nature, when they cannot feel the worth of such a welcome. We, I hope, do feel both touched and encouraged by the reception which the Irish race throughout the world has given to this Bill. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "o a Parliament mainly of his own creation. It is the most democratic Parliament probably that ever sat within these walls; and yet we are now told by the hon. Gentleman the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs that so little can it be trusted to represent the opinion of the people of the country, both educated and uneducated, that if it rejects this Bill it is to be immediately dissolved. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ple should be asked to consent to the disintegration of a magnificent Empire in order to please some 3,000,000? We are prepared to give her everything she can reasonably desire, and to give her the same local self-government which we desire for ourselves; but we have a moral right to say that we cannot sanction the disintegration of the Empire, and that we must constrain Ireland for her own good. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Ironical Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": "tly well that the Loyalists of Ulster look upon their subordination to a Dublin Parliament as the greatest public calamity that could befall them. So strongly do they feel this that, if all the horrors of a Civil War could be placed in one scale and their subjection to a Dublin Parliament in the other, they would declare that Civil War would be easier to bear than subjection to such a Parliament. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "he distress that would undoubtedly prevail in that country. Suppose the tribute is not paid, and cannot be paid, and the people year by year feel the burden more and more—what would be the result? An agitation would arise against the payment of the tribute, and the hon. Member for the City of Cork would ride upon the storm when he saw which way it was going, and prescribe an Independent Republic. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " may be the Conservative Party, confronted with a strong Radical Party opposed to the payment of the tribute. What, then, would the hon. Member for the City of Cork think it his duty to do? I repeat that he would ride upon the storm. Let me point out this to the House. The hon. Member for the City of Cork, being at the head of the de facto Government, 1242 would be entitled to belligerent rights. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: NO.", "preceding_text": "ssibility of the Protestant and Loyal minority having resort to un-Constitutional means. But what I wish hon. Members from Ireland to ask themselves is this—What would be the position of affairs in Ireland with regard to the minority, looking at the matter from a purely Constitutional point of view? Cannot that minority, using purely Constitutional means, absolutely stop the working of this Bill? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Yes.", "preceding_text": "inst the Government? It is absolutely necessary to obtain the assent of a large proportion of the minority if you want the Irish Parliament to work. Personally, I would not countenance any resort to un-Constitutional means, whether by Nationalists or Loyalists; but if the minority in Ireland have recourse to them, is this House prepared to use British soldiers to put down the minority in Ireland? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/17/second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate-third", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ent if they maintain a moderate and reasonable attitude. We are asked—What if this Bill is thrown out? That entirely depends upon hon. Members from Ireland. If they continue that reasonable and moderate line of action which they have now adopted, they will get the fullest measure of self-government which ever can be given with safety to either side. They will prove to us that they can be trusted. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/consideration", "section": "consideration", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": " covering the question of franchise, through which the public were made acquainted with all the purposes of the Bill. I think it would be inopportune to accept such a clause as is now proposed, seeing that the entire subject is one upon which legislation is pending. The Rathmines Bill , besides being a Private Bill, related to certain districts outside Dublin—[Mr. SEXTON: This is a Private Bill.] "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/consideration", "section": "consideration", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": " their own expense no doubt, for the purpose of priming the hon. Member with information. We have been told that the artizans of Belfast are cruelly wronged, and that owing to the heavy taxation imposed by the Corporation rents have been doubled. I can bear testimony, as the owner of a very considerable amount of house property, to the fact that the rents have been doubled in the wrong direction. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "second reading; but he ventured to suggest that there never had been any previous case in which a Bill, declared by the Government to be abandoned, and admitted to be practically dead, had been gone on with and discussed after that fashion. He asked whether it would not be a most unjustifiable and outrageous waste of time to go on discussing night after night this Bill, which was admittedly dead? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "emedy which they wanted to apply. But, first, he wished to express his strong objection to the assumption which had pervaded a good many speeches on the Ministerial side of the House, in opposition to the Govern- 512 ment, that the opponents of the measure were the exclusive friends and champions of the Union, and that those who advocated the Bill were Disunionists, Disloyalists, and Separatists. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " us at the present day. And not only had the conditions in Ireland changed, but the conditions beyond the sea had changed. In the United States, and in Canada, Australia, and almost every other great British Colony, there were many Irishmen and sons of Irishmen whose longest and whose latest memory was the story of the wrongs they themselves and their forefathers had endured on their native soil. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ence, I would compare him to Iago, and recall a very remarkable scene in the play of Othello. I can imagine the noble Lord peeping from behind the Speaker's Chair, and, whilst he observes the Roderigo of West Birmingham proceeding to make his onslaught upon the Cassio of Mid Lothian, saying to himself— Now, whether he kill Cassio, Or Cassio him, or each do kill the other, Every way makes my gain. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "h have made in 86 years of government.\" That, Sir, will be our condemnation. But it is not merely when I look at Ireland I claim for her this right to self-government. Common shame makes me do it. Common shame ought to make every Radical do it, and it ought to make the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham do it. I do not speak to the Conservatives in the House, or the Whigs either. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " when the Radicals come into power. The noble Marquess, if he did not ask for 20 years of coercion, at any rate proposed that £150,000,000 should be spent in deporting 1,000,000 Irishmen. [\"No, no!\"] Well, I am unfortunate. I cannot please hon. Members when I quote what was said. I will put it in another way. He said he would not propose it, yet the money would be better spent in that way. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "ime, it may not be by these hands, but at some time not far off, and by one Party or the other—the right of the Irish people to manage Irish affairs on their own soil will be 548 conceded by the Parliament of Great Britain. § MR. MACNAGHTEN (Antrim, N.) I am sure that every Member of this House is desirous that this debate should close without unnecessary delay. The Bill is practically dead. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "hat the clause is. Let me read it to them. It is this, only substituting \"Ireland\" for \"the Colonies,\" and \"Irish\" for \"Colonial\"— Any Irish law which is or shall in any respect be repugnant to the provisions of any Act of Parliament extending to Ireland shall be read subject to such Act, and shall to the extent of such repugnance, but not otherwise, be and remain absolutely void and inoperative. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "g the last few years, Ireland has said that England has been doing wrong. Who is to decide between the two? Even now, at the last moment, the Prime Minister comes forward and says that Ireland has been right and England wrong. That is not what he said a few years ago. I have heard him in this very House say that he was pursuing the path of justice, and that in the end what was just would prevail. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " to the wharves, and forbade the landing of the cargoes. A peace has now been patched up, but upon what terms? For two months the Cork Steam Packet Company have to carry free cargoes for the persons who 562 have done their best to ruin them, and then at half rates for two months more. § MR. T. C. HARRINGTON (Dublin, Harbour) Perhaps the hon. and learned Member will allow me to interrupt him. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "f dry statistics is very irksome to hon. Members who have to listen to them. I have endeavoured to show that Ulster has no special claim to be called wealthy, as compared with the rest of 574 Ireland, or to be called exclusively or mainly Protestant. But we are told that all the intelligence of Ireland is concentrated in Ulster—that it embodies not only the wealth but the intelligence of Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Laughter and ironical cheers", "preceding_text": ". Gentleman shakes his head. § MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN (Birmingham, W.) If the hon. Gentleman 575 wishes to know why I shook my head I will tell him. I understood him to say that in some article supposed to have my approval, I spoke in favour of federation as a possible solution of the question. I assure him that he is mistaken. In that article I pointed out—in that article it was pointed out—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ve that the young Leaders of the Conservative Party would use their best endeavours to secure for Ireland not only the Repeal of the Union, but Grattan's Parliament, if the Irish vote were cast for the Conservatives. I am glad that I happened to preserve these extracts I have read; it was only through an accident that I did so, for I scarcely, at the time, thought them worth drawing attention to. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Than there was English capital in the Irish Company.", "preceding_text": "ing to maintain it. Well, Mr. Moon, the gentleman to whom I refer, met the shareholders, and made a speech on the subject which I never forgot. He stated that they had more Irish shareholders and a larger amount of Irish capital invested in the London and North-Western 586 Railway Company—that English Company—than the whole capital of the City of Dublin Company, which was called an Irish Company. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/may/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/may/31/admission-to-medical-practice-and", "section": "admission-to-medical-practice-and", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ven to each of the Universities in Scotland. St. Andrew's is the most ancient University in Scotland, and is quite as much entitled to separate representation as the Victoria University or the University of Durham. St. Andrew's has great prospects before it. Within a very short time it will be within half-an-hour's journey of Dundee, in which there is a flourishing University College established. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/bulgaria-reported-abdication-of-prince", "section": "bulgaria-reported-abdication-of-prince", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" and \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "y and violence by which his reign was interrupted, and they would hear with great regret that he has finally decided to abandon the work which he had undertaken. § MR. SEXTON (Belfast, W., and Sligo, S.) That is poor consolation. § SIR HENRY TYLER (Great Yarmouth) asked whether the Government were not prepared at the present crisis, which was a very serious one, to say a few firm words? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "en entering the Service after a long preparation and an expensive; raining, that they should be treated socially in an inferior manner. As a matter of fact, the medical officers in the Army are altogether placed outside the pale of society to which other officers are admitted. They are practically treated in the present day very much in the same way as the engineers in the Royal Navy are treated. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "Cries 1337 of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " small sum of money—taking into account the intelligent services they have rendered, the cost of their education, and the time it has taken to train them. I maintain that, unless more care and attention is devoted by Her Majesty's Government to the Medical Service, instead of getting intelligent men, you will only secure the services of men who are, more or less, the ruck and scum of the schools. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "o be a friend of mine, was sent during the past year, I wish to add a word or two to my observations. This friend to whom I allude was sent first from Cork to Liverpool, then from Liverpool to Glasgow, from Glasgow to Cork, from Cork to Dublin, from Dublin to London, and so on. He was kept constantly moving about, and his health has lately broken down through his being so perpetually on the road. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Deferred pay.", "preceding_text": "n, for the purpose of putting an end to the discreditable scenes which we all witness from time to time on the disembodiment of this branch of Her Majesty's Forces, and that he will adopt some other way of paying them. I would suggest a means which I believe is in operation already in some branches of Her Majesty's Service—namely, that of sending home a portion of the money which has been earned. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": " musketry instruction should not come into operation before the end of the present Volunteer year. The right hon. Gentleman will agree with me that the musketry instructions are only a part of the Volunteer drill. § MR. JOHN O'CONNOR (Tipperary, S.) I have to ask the right hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for War whether he contemplates the establishment of a Volunteer Force in Ireland? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "n admirable war material, and might be made an available adjunct to the Forces of the Empire; but the fact is that, at present, they are not so, and there is no doubt that a great deal of the money spent upon them is wasted. I am old enough to remember the beginning of the movement, and I can say from my own observation that the Volunteer corps are not much better now than they were 20 years ago. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Try competition.", "preceding_text": "n it must be remembered by hon. Gentlemen below the Gangway opposite, that the War Office have not only to consider the complaints that come from the Limerick Factory, but that there are other contractors, and that these other contractors are somewhat inclined to grumble at what they consider the excessive amount of such contract work as we are able to give out which the Limerick Company secures. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "actory. You can reduce your hands in the Government Establishment—you need not close it up. The Government could start their Pimlico Factory again at any time they liked—at any moment of pressure; and if at any time manufacturers outside formed themselves into a ring, as the hon. Member opposite fears they would be inclined to do, the Government could bid Pimlico to arise and Pimlico would do so. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "d on this side of the House I am very well satisfied with it. There is a consensus of opinion that something ought to be done for the Limerick Factory, and I trust that I have not made my Motion in vain. But, while I am satisfied with the discussion on this side of the House, I am not at all satisfied with the expressions of the Ministry, for what have we got, after all, but a Minister's promise? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/supply-army-estimates", "section": "supply-army-estimates", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide, divide!\" and Adjourn, adjourn!\"", "preceding_text": "ith the discussion on this side of the House, I am not at all satisfied with the expressions of the Ministry, for what have we got, after all, but a Minister's promise? [\"Oh!\"] Well, a Minister's promise may be much to some people, but in regard to Ireland it has not amounted to much up to the present. A Ministry propose, but the constituencies very often dispose. We have appealed in this matter.—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/06/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "o blocked this Bill, and I distinctly deny that I have removed the block. I blocked the Bill again this evening, and I consider I was perfectly justified in doing so. If I think, as I do, that the Bill is not conceived in a proper spirit, and that it is not likely to be administered in a proper spirit, I maintain I am within my right in blocking it. I certainly shall do the same with any measure. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/egypt-re-organization-c-sir-h-drummond", "section": "egypt-re-organization-c-sir-h-drummond", "cue_text": "\"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "tually controlled by the House of Commons. § MR. WILLIAM REDMOND explained that in regard to the salary of Sir Henry Drummond Wolff, he did not intend by the wording of his Question to imply that it was paid by the Egyptian Treasury; but that this payment out of the funds of the British taxpayer was 781 objected to by large numbers of people, who felt that he was doing nothing at all for it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "e is soon made to feel it. Of course, I expected their hostility, and I have not been disappointed in my expectations. I have not, however, acted from any vindictive motive, but simply by a desire to promote the public interests. But what did these men do? They gave \"the tip\" to the sergeant of police or Sub-Inspector, and the consequence is that whenever I show myself I have two men on my track. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "d it is to suppose that the people of Ireland could ever be satisfied with such a system as the present. I am bound to say that I believe that the people in this country would not submit to such a system for six months; and certainly, if the people of Ireland had the control of their own affairs, one of the first things they would do would be to effect a sweeping reform in the Constabulary Force. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-iv-education-science-and-art", "section": "class-iv-education-science-and-art", "cue_text": "Mr. A. J. BALFOUR: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": " advantage of representing a Scotch constituency; but I believe he has the advantage of being a Scotchman. I trust the right hon. Gentleman will take into consideration, as a whole, this matter of public education in Scotland, and more particularly that he will take it in hand in connection with that other question he is bound also to take up—namely, the question of University reform in Scotland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-iv-education-science-and-art", "section": "class-iv-education-science-and-art", "cue_text": "Laughter. .", "preceding_text": "ommission. § MR. A. J. BALFOUR He threw it out as a suggestion. § MR. E. ROBERTSON No; not I. § MR. A. J. BALFOUR A Commission to inquire into the same branch of the subject in Scotland in addition to the Commission in England would produce confusion probably, and delay certainly; but I do think it might be desirable to appoint a small Departmental Committee, or something analogous—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-iv-education-science-and-art", "section": "class-iv-education-science-and-art", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Of Scottish Members.", "preceding_text": "t; MR. A. J. BALFOUR He threw it out as a suggestion. § MR. E. ROBERTSON No; not I. § MR. A. J. BALFOUR A Commission to inquire into the same branch of the subject in Scotland in addition to the Commission in England would produce confusion probably, and delay certainly; but I do think it might be desirable to appoint a small Departmental Committee, or something analogous—[ Laughter. .] "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e Committee against such a Vote, I will do it myself. This system of devoting large sums of money to the payment of Agents in Egypt has continued for many years. Year after year we are told that the occupation of that country is drawing to a speedy termination; but as time goes on, 897 instead of that occupation coming nearer to its end, it is manifestly receding farther and farther away from us. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "t it; and that no one took a stronger view than he in regard to the desirability of our leaving Egypt as soon as possible. The noble Lord is now a Minister of the Crown; he is now Leader of this House, and is responsible for what we are doing in Egypt. I can understand that it may be difficult for him to leave Egypt immediately; but is it the policy of Her Majesty's Government to remain in Egypt? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" from the Ministerial side of the House.", "preceding_text": " Lord is now a Minister of the Crown; he is now Leader of this House, and is responsible for what we are doing in Egypt. I can understand that it may be difficult for him to leave Egypt immediately; but is it the policy of Her Majesty's Government to remain in Egypt? [\"Hear, hear!\"] It may be the policy of some hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House, judging from the cheers given just now. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "to obtain an expression of the opinion of the Committee on the whole subject. It would be quite legitimate if I were to confine my remarks to the one point raised by the Amendment; but one or two things have been said which are not altogether to be passed by. I much regret that the Committee are not in possession of Nos. 4 and 5 of the Papers on Egypt, which I believe will be delivered to-morrow. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "inexpedient, rash, and unpatriotic of the Government, for the sake of gaining temporary applause from any part of the House, to say that our stay in Egypt is on the point of coming to an end. We have a Mission to accomplish in Egypt. We ought not to pretend that we are going to leave until the reforms we have sought after, and some of which are already bearing fruit, have been fully accomplished. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "moral right in insisting upon a proper Government being placed in the country. We declined to accept that responsibility. Ever since 1879 we have declined that responsibility, and the result has been terrible disaster to the unfortunate people of Zululand. Now, will the Committee consider for a moment what will be the effect of depriving the people of Zululand of a large portion of their country? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "section": "class-v-foreign-and-colonial-services", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "rmitted the Boers of the Transvaal to take over very nearly five-sixths of the country that remained to the Zulus after the settlement of 1882. This proceeding of the Boers, into the merits of which I will not now enter, has, as I say, deprived the Zulus of a very large portion of their territory, and has had the effect of driving the Zulus upon the Reserve. The Reserve, when it was portioned off—"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-vii-miscellaneous", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Darning.", "preceding_text": "ed observations in reply to the characteristic remarks of the hon. Gentleman opposite in reference to the pageantry hitherto inseparable from his country. The fees in question are now paid directly into the Exchequer, and the heralds and officials of the Heralds' 918 College are now paid by statute. With regard to the item for insignia and robes, I think the charge is for maintenance and repairs. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/17/class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: This is a Supplementary Estimate.", "preceding_text": "w whether that is so or not? § MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.) The hon. Gentleman (Mr. Jackson) will see that £923 1 s. 6 d. is paid on the appointment of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. This is his second appointment within a year. § MR. JACKSON The hon. Member (Mr. T. W. Russell) well knows that these Estimates were prepared last year, and I think he will find that the statement I made—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Wool.", "preceding_text": "Irish, farmers chiefly depend upon for the payment of their rent and their subsistence. One-year-old stock since the close of 1884 is also down 22 per cent. Now, Sir, this shows an average fall considerably above 20 per cent in the chief articles of produce raised by Irish farmers; and with the exception of butter there has been no rise in any of these articles during the six months of this year. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers and laughter from the Home Rule Members.", "preceding_text": "small strip of such land. The want of capital was a great source of the agricultural difficulty in Ireland. They had seen the beneficial effects of the introduction of £5,000 for potato seed, and how it had multiplied a hundredfold. If fresh capital could be introduced into the farming industry of the country agricultural distress would be alleviated, and we should get rid of the National League. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "possible with the hon. Member for Cork; and yet the strange thing was that the tenants lived and thrived under these impossible rents. As to the Arrears Act , that was an Act which was introduced under very exceptional circumstances. The right hon. Gentleman opposite would remember that in 1880 a Bill was introduced into Parliament by his Government, called the Compensation for Disturbance Bill . "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Question!", "preceding_text": "e wrong in supposing that that which is perfectly regular and legitimate—that the selection of Gentlemen to move and to second the Amendment which was to be fatal to the Bill was an arrangement made by and with the sanction of Her Majesty's Government. That being so, I cannot help being struck with the 1045 particular position which they occupy as individuals in regard to this particular subject. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "nguished a Gentleman I cannot possibly be wrong, and that he is a person born on this side of the Channel. It is true that he is an Irish Member; but he does not sit for an Irish constituency, and it is impossible we should not ask why is it that, in order to move the rejection of this Bill, a choice was not made of two, or at least of one Gentleman representing Irish agricultural constituencies? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": " of the Bill, and for refusing all relief to all persons affected by it, has been made by Gentlemen unconnected with agricultural constituencies in Ireland—[\"No no!\"]—for the plain and simple reason that no Member representing such an agricultural constituency in Ireland, however firm and fervent he might be in his allegiance to the Government, could be found for the purpose of making the Motion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "5 years' term of judicial rent has nothing more nearly analogous to it in the ease of ordinary rent than an arrangement which can be made under a lease. There are specific differences between judicial rents and other rents, and certainly I am prepared to contest the proposition that judicial rents are covered with a general sacredness that does not apply to ordinary contracts in relation to rent. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "I hoped it contained the elements of a permanent settlement in Ireland, as far as that settlement, generally speaking, could be effected under any legislative arrangement between landlord and tenant. And, Sir, that is perfectly true. But who are they who disappointed me? Who are they who have called the Land Act in question? They are those who have recommended Her Majesty to appoint a Commission. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "e paid. But my present purpose is only to reply to the query of the hon. and learned Gentleman. He says—\"When did you become conscious of the inability to pay rent? When was this inability to pay rent first thought of?\" Sir, I will answer the question. It was first thought of when Her Majesty's Government determined to advise the Queen to issue a Commission which was to inquire into three points. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter from the Ministerial Benches.", "preceding_text": " to make good beyond all dispute my assertion that, in the face of the country, the Executive Government has taken a measure which implies and involves the fact that in certain cases these rents are too high, and which therewith, by an iron necessity, also involves an engagement on their part that relief shall be given in respect of such cases. Very well; then how far have we got in the argument? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " operation, and that, in the meantime, there exist, in the law, powers for inflicting the penalties of the law upon a body of men with respect to whom you have yourselves, by your own act, laid down that they are unable to pay their rents. I say that you cannot, in reason and propriety, justify such a state of arrangements as that. If you have recognized their inability—and you have recognized it—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "penalties of the law upon a body of men with respect to whom you have yourselves, by your own act, laid down that they are unable to pay their rents. I say that you cannot, in reason and propriety, justify such a state of arrangements as that. If you have recognized their inability—and you have recognized it—[ Cries of \"No, no!\"] Why, your Commission, of itself, involves the acknowledgment of it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "wn minds that, in certain cases, the exceptional fall in prices has taken place. I say it would be a piece of monstrous injustice on the part of Parliament to allow the operations of the law to go forward, and to allow men to be evicted from their holdings in Ireland on account of rent unpaid, not from want of will to pay, but from an absolute inability to pay, which you yourselves have admitted. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\" from the Ministerial Benches.", "preceding_text": "full and entire freedom on the subject. That which I urge, and which not one word in this debate has yet been said to displace, or to confute, is this—that we cannot with justice, we cannot with decency, make and send forth to the world this admission—that there is in Ireland a class of persons who, in the belief of the Executive Government of this country, are unable to pay their judicial rents. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " real 1059 and just rents would fall below the judicial rents, and that the difference must be made up out of the Public Exchequer? § THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER (Lord RANDOLPH CHURCHILL) (Paddington, S.) He never said anything of the kind. § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE We all know the noble Lord's boldness in the matter of assertion—I am not aware that there are any limits to that boldness—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Lord Salisbury did not say it", "preceding_text": "ware that there are any limits to that boldness—[ Cries of \"Order!\"]—but I am in the recollection of other Members of the House, and I must say that I see no ground to recede from what I have said. [ Cries of \"Oh!\" and \"Order!\" § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL Quote the passage. § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE It is unnecessary for me to quote. I have a perfect right to refer to Ministerial declarations—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: An Irish agricultural constituency.", "preceding_text": "e House was a personal comment upon my two hon. Friends who moved and seconded the Amendment to the Bill. Said the right hon. Gentle- 1061 man—\"Remember who has moved this Amendment; he is not an Irish agriculturist.\" § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE No; I did not say that. I said \"not a Member for an agricultural constituency.\" § MR. MATTHEWS \"He is not a Member for an agricultural constituency.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: What about Dungarvan? and cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "emember who has moved this Amendment; he is not an Irish agriculturist.\" § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE No; I did not say that. I said \"not a Member for an agricultural constituency.\" § MR. MATTHEWS \"He is not a Member for an agricultural constituency.\" [An hon. MEMBER: An Irish agricultural constituency.] Well, \"an Irish agricultural constituency;\" but we are talking of nothing but Ireland now. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ight hon. Gentleman. I will not treat him as he has treated Lord Salisbury, and refuse to quote. I will quote the words that he used on the 19th of August— We know the opinion that prevails in Ireland—that of, at all events, a large portion of the community, in consequences of the changes in agricultural values—that there is a difficulty in maintaining the judicial rents.\"—(3 Hansard, [308] 112.) "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "A laugh from Sir WILLIAM HARCOURT.", "preceding_text": "ference to the other; \"rent,\" which it is said we have solemnly and conclusively admitted cannot be paid, does not occur in the Reference to the Commission. It may startle and surprise right hon. Gentlemen opposite, and I have no doubt it will startle and surprise the House, to hear that the Government framed the Reference to this Commission in a fair and impartial spirit, wishing not to shut out—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ts to strike against rent, not by the means which have hitherto been adopted, but by the legal and regular means projected by the clauses of this Bill. The Court have no discretion to refuse a stay of proceedings; that must be given to a perfectly solvent tenant, a tenant who has got money in his pocket and stock on his farm, who has not been affected the least in the world by any fall in prices. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "tenants-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers from the Irish Benches.", "preceding_text": " not foresee it. The hon. Member goes on— But the League has undoubtedly recommended compulsory expropriation, though not for all landlords.\"—( Ibid. ) I am sorry to say I have not got the exact words of what followed; but the sense is this—that he desired that there should be power given to a Commission to expropriate compulsorily those landlords who were acting as centres of dis- 1073 turbance. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/observations", "section": "observations", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "to the question of my hon. Friend (Mr. Dillon). Since the right hon. and learned Attorney General dealt with this case before, a good deal of additional evidence has come before us in regard to it. I saw in the papers to-day a report that the new Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (the Marquess of Londonderry) was about to signalize his advent into Office by ordering the immediate release of Father Fahy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/observations", "section": "observations", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: To such a clergyman!", "preceding_text": "tleman who was the agent of the landlord concerned to act as prosecutor? I doubt it very much. Public opinion, in this country, would hold that such a man was not indifferent as between the interested persons; and the Crown would not confide its interest in the prosecution to a person whose connections were such. In England, would you have applied a Statute aimed against vagabonds to a clergyman? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1886/sep/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1886/sep/20/observations", "section": "observations", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "he hon. Member (Mr. De Lisle), and gave them the political freedom they now possess. Now, what is the crime Father Fahy has committed? I would ask hon. Gentlemen, who are not Catholics, but who, in many cases, have consciences better than many English Catholics, what is it Father Fahy has done? What has been the aim of his life? It has been to serve his God—to help his flock and to serve his God. "}