{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/19/parliament-privilege-alleged-forgery-of", "section": "parliament-privilege-alleged-forgery-of", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" from the Ministerial Benches", "preceding_text": "imes? § MR. SPEAKER Certainly. I think it is, under the circumstances, competent for the hon. Member to put that Question in order to elicit information. § MR. SEXTON Then, Sir, I beg to ask the hon. Member for South Tyrone, If it is true that a document, of which a facsimile copy appeared in The Times of yesterday, was at any time in his possession; and, if so, from whom he received it—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/the-primrose-league-bournemouth-the", "section": "the-primrose-league-bournemouth-the", "cue_text": "Cries of \"The Times!\"", "preceding_text": "ledge of the facts? § MR. W. H. SMITH The hon. and learned Member quotes a letter which he states to be my letter. I did not write the letter. It was written, no doubt, by one of my Secretaries. § MR. E. ROBERTSON The paragraph states that the letter was written by the right hon. Gentleman. § MR. W. H. SMITH That is inaccurate, as a good many statements of that kind are inaccurate. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/the-primrose-league-bournemouth-the", "section": "the-primrose-league-bournemouth-the", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Name, name!\" and \"No cowardly reserve!\"", "preceding_text": ". Gentleman has not given a direct answer to my second Question—Who are the avowed enemies of England? I will put it in another form, and I will ask him who are the Members of this House to whom he refers as having avowed themselves to be enemies of England? § MR. W. H. SMITH Sir, I refer the hon. and learned Gentleman to the columns of United Ireland. I have not wished to name hon. Members. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/crime-and-outrage-ireland-agrarian", "section": "crime-and-outrage-ireland-agrarian", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "ember for South Cork (Dr. Kenny) yesterday. § MR. T. P. O'CONNOR (Liverpool, Scotland) I wish to ask the right hon. Gentleman the First Lord of the Treasury, whether, having regard to the importance which attaches to utterances in his name from the position which he at this moment happens to occupy in this House, he will take care to read all the letters sent in his name in future— 19 § "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh! \"", "preceding_text": "ither sign the contract of purchase or go out. What will be the effect of the Bill of the Government? I do not assert that it is their intention—because the right hon. Gentleman the Chief Secretary, speaking at Ipswich, denied it—that the intention of the Government is in any way to force on the provisions of the Purchase Bill . I am only speaking of the effect of the proposals of the Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "d Palmerston, writing to his brother, said— By what sweeping majorities this reformed House of Commons is passing the most violent Coercion Bill over passed into law! It is a real tour de force; out then it will be followed by remedial measures. There is this difference between our case and that of the Metternich and the Pope. We coerce as they do, but we redress grievances as they do not. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Mr. W. E. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ts were relieved. His firm and confident belief was that the reduction of crime after 1882 was not due to the Coercion Act of that year, but to the remedial measures of that year—namely, the Arrears Act , which was one of the most beneficial pieces of legislation ever passed. He was quite prepared to admit that there was some increase of agrarian crime at the present time, but it was not serious. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " and said that the settlement must not take place, and thus deprived the landlord of every means of exacting the smallest fraction or fragment of his 42 legal rights, excepting by the extreme method of eviction. § Mr. W. REDMOND (Fermanagh, N.) asked if the right hon. Gentleman would be good enough to give a single instance of such action on the part of the organization to which he referred? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Arrears.", "preceding_text": "54 of these cases had judicial rents been fixed. In the remaining 848 cases judicial rents had never even been applied for. [An Irish MEMBER: Leaseholders.] No; they could not make them out to be leaseholders—there might be here and there one. The great majority of those 848 might have stayed their evictions if they had applied to the Land Court for fair rents to be fixed. Why did they not do so? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "aning of the hon. and learned Gentleman's Amendment? It was that the House declined to proceed further with a measure for strengthening the Criminal Law until it had seen the provisions of a Bill introduced into the other House. But had not the Government pledged themselves that before the Crimes Bill left that House the House should see the measure before the House of Lords? Was that not enough? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Mr. COSSHAM: Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "otchman was sauce in a similar case for an Irishman. The accusation had been very freely levelled against the Party which had the honour to follow the noble Lord the Member for Rossendale (the Marquess of Hartington) and the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham (Mr. J. Chamberlain),that they were supporting what was called a Coercion Bill, having been returned as anti-coercionists. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "es of those who agreed with him and to the columns of The Daily News and other Liberal newspapers, and he would find that they raised the cry of \"Conciliation versus Coercion,\" and said to the electors—\" Do not vote for any Unionist Members, because you will be voting for coercion.\" Did any Homo Ruler deny that his Party devoted their energies to putting the issue of conciliation versus coercion? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": "as told that there was in Ireland a sort of semi divine calm; and when hon. Members came down to that House and declared it to be their duty to support a Government which would repress that state of things they were told, they were interfering between the poor and the rich, They were interfering between the pool and the rich—between the poor Irish tenants and that rich tyrant the National League. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": " a most foul and malignant perjury, libel, and forgery. Ought a Member of that House to sit down under such an accusation levelled against a Member of that body? Was any Member of that House to be liable to similar accusations? The right hon. Member for Mid Lothian had said, and had justly said, that the burden of proof lay upon The Times and not that of disproof upon the hon. 51 Member for Cork. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "hon. and learned Friend proved anything, it proved two things—namely, that a repressive measure would only tend to aggravate and increase crime, whereas the measure which is intended for the relief of the tenants will altogether fail. Moreover, we have been assured in this House that the repressive measure is intended to be pressed through both Houses of Parliament with all its pristine severity. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \" No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " face of the larger contingent of 86 discontented Members. It can be done, no doubt; the House of Commons is omnipotent; but this can only be attained by the exercise of coercive laws, not only outside the House against the people of Ireland, but inside the House against the Representatives of Ireland. We are told that the American people are against you, and that it is in view of the Irish vote. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "erican people is against this Coercion Bill. When I sea the names of the leading episcopal 75 clergy of the United States, and such names as those of Russell Lowell, Wendell Holmes, and Senator Hoare, and hundreds of others, I know that they are our best friends, not only in America, but in the world, and that the whole of the enlightened and intelligent sentiment of America is against this Bill. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/apr/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/apr/26/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "r year, and yet this Bill affords them no prospect of relief whatever. I have gathered from evidence to which it was impossible to shut my eyes or doubt, that if no relief be given, the tenants of Ulster will, within a very short time, be in the same condition as the tenantry of the West and South of Ireland, and will be compelled to have recourse to the same methods for relieving their distress. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Or £40,000.", "preceding_text": " I was able to upon the Secretary to the Treasury to induce him to increase the grant; because, in my opinion, history, besides the interest which is attached to it, is the signpost, the warning, and the guide with regard to polities, as well as legislation. To my mind, the history of to-day is as important as the history of 10 centuries ago; and I think that if for £5,000, or £10,000, or £20,000—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " Members of this House. In the first place, an official Member gets a great deal more space than an unofficial Member; in the second place, an English Member gets a great deal more space than an Irish Member; in the third place, an Irish Member gets a great deal more space than a Scotch Member—[No, no!\"]; in the fourth place, a Scotch Member gets a great deal more space than a Welsh Member—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Not dollars?", "preceding_text": "the other House of Parliament. I think it will be the general opinion of the Committee that something will have to be done in order to preserve a record of what takes place in Parliament, and that, therefore, some arrangement will 1601 have to Lo made. Sir, as a question of cost, I believe that in the United States, where an official report is published, the cost is, or was, about £50,000 a-year. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An. hon. MEMBER: Not all.", "preceding_text": "f the entire Government; and it is more desirable, from the point of view of the public, that his speech should be reported than that the eloquence, which may be greater, of hon. Gentlemen below the Gangway should be recorded. A newspaper is always having complaints from some persons that it does not report sufficiently lengthily. Constituents like to see reports of the speeches of their Members. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: In what case?", "preceding_text": "nt owners or proprietors a greater interest in and encouragement to the protection of the fishings. [\"No, no!\"] Hon. Gentlemen say \"No, no;\" but I know that this is so in certain cases, the particulars of which I have ascertained by careful inquiry. The motives which I have explained are clearly those which have actuated the Commissioners of Woods and Forests in dealing with this question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: That is not the question.", "preceding_text": "her fishing referred to. It is up in the wilds, and no salmon are ever seen, except after a heavy spate, when one or two fish may run up. Certainly there have not been 10 salmon caught there in 20 years. It is said the gentleman who owns the property ought only to get a lease for 10 or 20 years. Men will not take such leases, and they are quite entitled, without leases, to prevent people fishing. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "cries of \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "he Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Jackson), who has charge of this Vote, ought to get up at once and accede to the request. Not only are there difficulties in connection with the foreshore in Scotland, but there are difficulties of the same character in connection with the foreshore in the South of Ireland. During the past two years we have heard a great deal of evictions in the South of Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "hat though his salary appears large, a considerable amount of the money he is paid does not go into his own pocket. In order to manage the Crown estates as they should be managed, so as to withstand criticism in this House, it is necessary that he should be above suspicion—which I venture to think all salaried servants, with the temptations which they at present have around them, can scarcely be. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/08/committee", "section": "committee", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "the matter, and let me remind the House that there are occasionally—in the Army and Navy, in banks and in other institutions, where 400 or 500 men have to be looked after—small scandals. § MR. SPEAKER Order, order! The hon. Gentleman is now getting rather wide of the mark in discussing on this Bill the past history of the Metropolitan Board of Works. § MR. WEBSTER All right, Sir. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "at was an application to the Chief Commissioner to procure a transfer of the summons. Well, the Chief Commissioner replied to that on the 11th July, as follows:— As regards the transfer of the case to Bow Street Police Court, the Commissioner has to advise that your application for this purpose should be made to the magistrate concerned, as it is not a matter with which the Commissioner can deal. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " attended to on their merits. The only way to get notice from the Commissioners is to squeeze these men by bringing the matter before the House, and by threat of a hostile Motion. Well, Sir, exactly the same policy of fobbing off was shown in the notorious case of Miss Cass. The right hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary is in very bad odour in the country at this moment in consequence of that case. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "evous system which I have endeavoured to illustrate to-night Sir Charles Warren, of course, is respon- 1452 sible only as the head of that system; but I think that this House would fail in its duty if, when it finds a mischievous system prevailing, it did not hold the official head accountable for that system. I have brought this question before the Committee at a length which I very much regret, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "they entailed. Alterations come under quite a different Vote to the one we are now discussing, and I maintain that the right hon. Gentleman was quite wrong in the course of his observations. Although I am an Irishman, I take considerable interest in the Vote for the Metropolitan Police. Some hon. Members of the House may ask why an Irishman should take an interest in the Metropolitan Police Vote. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ccount of this force, which may be wielded for right, which ought to be wielded for right, but which, in many respects, is not wielded for the support of law and order, or for the safeguarding of the people. If the Questions which have been addressed to the Government are not answered, I must say, judging from what I know of the English people—and, thank goodness, I know something about them now —"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "h people; but now, thank God, owing to the expression of opinion by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Mid Lothian (Mr. W. E. Gladstone), I am proud of the English nation—I am proud of the English democracy; and, therefore, I call upon the right hon. Gentleman (Mr. Matthews) who is in charge of this Vote, to try and protect the English democracy against what at the present time appears to be—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "xperience of the right hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary (Mr. Matthews), who kindly takes his hat off to me, but I can afford to pass by in silence the jeers and laughter of certain hon. Members, and I appeal to Members on the other side of the House to take cognizance of the iniquities which are practised in connection with this Police Vote. I call upon a responsible Minister, who does not laugh—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "silence the jeers and laughter of certain hon. Members, and I appeal to Members on the other side of the House to take cognizance of the iniquities which are practised in connection with this Police Vote. I call upon a responsible Minister, who does not laugh—[ Cries of \"Order!\"] The right hon. Gentleman does not laugh—he knows better. The right hon. Gentleman is more courteous to Members. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "these items, which are usually made to tally year by year with a most delicious, charming accuracy, do not tally in the present instance? I regret that the First Lord of the Treasury, who is so exact, and who requires everything to be put down in a systematical and business-like way, is not now in his place. I should have asked him, had he been present, how it is there is a decrease in this Item? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "ts itself, and you will find the same thing has occurred in other places before Dover Harbour was contemplated. There is a subject I have spoken about in this House before now, and that is Haulbowline Docks. There you had convict labour; but what was actually the state of the case? By convict labour you were taking the bread out of the mouths of the local tradesmen, and you are doing that to-day. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "have recently taken places in this House, who should speak up for the English workman; but they do not. And what is the result at the present 1495 time? You have got people starving, and in and about Dover you are employing convict labour and taking the bread out of the mouths of these men. Is that right? You are passing through a time of depression; will you pay attention to it, or will you not? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" and \"Withdraw!\"", "preceding_text": "hat one of these poor reformatory lads, if he joined one of the vessels of the Navy, might lower the character of the sailors with whom he came in contact. I should have thought that, from what I have seen myself of the conduct of sailors on shore, and from what we hear of their proceedings in foreign parts when a 1508 Dumber of them land together, it would be impossible to lower their character. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "ll attention under Sub-head A. There you will find the charge for a chaplain, and a visiting Roman Catholic chaplain. Well, it is hard to go into these facts. The noble Lord the Member for South Paddington (Lord Randolph Churchill) has remarked that it is nearly impossible to touch bottom in these Votes and bring to light anything tangible. It is hard to do so. The hon. Member for Kennington Oval—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/aug/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/aug/22/class-iii-law-and-justice", "section": "class-iii-law-and-justice", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh, oh !\"", "preceding_text": "t any hon. Member who has waited until now will find this a favourable opportunity of expressing his views on the Science and Art Vote. We are about to enter on a new Class of Estimates, and right hon. Gentlemen will admit that is not usual at this hour. As my hon. Friend has said, no one can assert that time has been wasted. We have concentrated our observations into the briefest possible space. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Ironical Ministerial Cheers.", "preceding_text": "e been taxed in the course of this debate with not launching out into denunciations of the Plan of Campaign. It is a ludicrous doctrine that because we happen to agree with the hon. Gentleman below the Gangway as to the best way of governing their 904 country, that, therefore, we are to be called upon to express judgment upon everything they may say or do. I, for one, repudiate any such doctrine. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ember for Mid Lothian, and of our policy, this Chamber would be able to settle down to do good legislative work both for Ireland and Great Britain. I appeal to either side of the House whether there is any prospect before us of any such thing? I ask the House whether any Session ever began with less hope in the mind of any section of the House, less expectation, less intention of doing good work? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": " Session ever began with less hope in the mind of any section of the House, less expectation, less intention of doing good work? [ Cries of \"Oh!\"] I misunderstand the temper of the House if there is any buoyancy, any hope, or any expectation of getting on with legislation and Business for England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. I have never myself felt the atmosphere of the House so leaden. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh,\" and Laughter.", "preceding_text": "le explanation of this extraordinary position. It seemed to him that the right hon. Gentleman owed a very considerable apology to his Friends below the Gangway for having deserted them at this juncture. If they looked at other factors in the problem the House would see that another reason for the depression among hon. Gentlemen opposite existed. This was the utter failure of the Plan of Campaign. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " during the past few weeks, although only £200 was sub- 930 scribed for the evicted tenants, no less a sum than £3,000 was subscribed for \"general purposes.\" Was it unreasonable to ask, why more money should not have been given to the evicted people, looking at the funds possessed by the National League? Could not the League, out of that £8,000, even have spared something to assist the landlords? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_text": "e the writer of the letter had settled down, was 932 equally as bad as anything that existed in Ireland. The writer of the letter mentioned the case of a tenant having been evicted from his holding 14 times in 14 years; but no doubt that statement will be received with contemptuous mockery by the Nationalist Members. He might say that he had lived among his own tenants since the Reign of James I. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Emigrate them.", "preceding_text": " In order to avoid that difficulty the Government, of which the right hon. Gentleman was a Member, came into this House and endeavoured to govern Ireland without any Law Officers at all. Now, is it surprising that the delicate and tender susceptibilities of hon. Gentlemen below the Gangway should be ruffled by the 979 odious presence of men who may have to prosecute them on a subsequent occasion? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Mr. T. P. O'CONNOR: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "er for Mid Lothian. The right hon. Gentleman the late Chief Secretary will recollect that in the powerful State paper issued by the hon. Member for the Scotland Division of Liverpool (Mr. T. P. O'Connor), before the election in the summer of 1885, one of the weightiest charges which he brought against the late Prime Minister was the great jury-packing which had prevailed under his Administration. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Ironical Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": "ry could give. To show what has been the result of a considerable \"stand aside\" in some cases, where the jury has consisted entirely of Protestants—to show the impartiality and fairness with which the juries have acted—I may say that all the accused have not been t convicted. Tully was tried by a jury who were all Protestants, and he was not convicted; and in other cases there were disagreements. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Home Rule cries of \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he accused have not been t convicted. Tully was tried by a jury who were all Protestants, and he was not convicted; and in other cases there were disagreements. [ Ironical Home Rule cheers. ] Hon. Members opposite below the Gangway do not appear to understand the point of my observations. The suggestion, as I understand it, is that the Crown has selected the juries in order to obtain convictions. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: What case?", "preceding_text": " change of venue was obtained is not an obsolete Act, but an Act which applies equally to England as to Ireland, and was passed for Ireland in order to assimilate the Irish to the English law. It was put in force at least six months ago in the Dublin 983 Commission Court, on which occasion the venue of a case which had been sent for trial in the City of Dublin was changed to the County of Dublin. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "Cheers from the Home Rule Members .", "preceding_text": "rely point to the wretched case where, for some small offence against the law of the League, some ruffians broke into a house, cut off the hair of the girls in it, and poured tar upon their heads. Nor am I going to enter upon the case of Moroney, a tradesman on the O'Grady estate, who was committed to trial by the Judge of the Bankruptcy Court for contempt, and was serenaded on his way to prison. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: He was acquitted!", "preceding_text": "was the York Street case? It was a change from a City jury to a County jury in the case of an Orangeman who was accused of firing a shot into a crowd in the City of Dublin out of the window of an Orange Club; and it is easy to understand why a Government, partly consisting of Orangemen, and largely supported by Orangemen, desired to transfer the trial of an Orangeman from a City to a County jury. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/08/agrarian-affairs-ireland", "section": "agrarian-affairs-ireland", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: He is right hon.!", "preceding_text": "nted himself with the estates in Ireland where the Plan of Campaign was adopted; and the hon. and learned Gentleman, whose elocution leaves nothing to be desired, laid particular stress on the word \"personal.\" The moment he uttered these words there resounded through the House, from another master of elocution—namely, the hon. Member for Lincolnshire (Mr. Chaplin)—an emphatic \"Hear, hear!\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "section": "class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ought not to ask the House to throw away the money of the taxpayers. Anybody who has ever looked into the subject—anybody who has seen proper appliances in connection with the filtration of the air and the atmosphere in other great public buildings, knows that the atmosphere can be rendered perfectly pure, and deprived of all those particles which we have here floating about us night after night. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "section": "class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": ", and he stated that a London fog could be thoroughly filtered in this House, and deprived of all its fogginess. What I complain of is that we are asked to come down here night after night, to take into consideration the expenditure of large sums of money without any practical result, and I am afraid that we are making ourselves a laughing-stock not merely for England, but for the world at large. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "section": "class-i-public-works-and-buildings", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: £3,000.", "preceding_text": " being exceeded, I am sure that the right hon. Member for Central Bradford (Mr. Shaw Lefevre) has no foundation for making that statement, except, perhaps, his experience of what occurred when he was in Office. I may say, so far as the value of the site is concerned, that has been ascertained. With regard to the cost of furniture, I think hon. Gentlemen will agree that £2,500 is a reasonable sum. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: And in Scotland.", "preceding_text": "ave just spoken that I have not made myself fully understood in the remarks I have previously offered to the Committee. It would appear from the observations to which we have recently listened, that hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House are of opinion that Her Majesty's Government have undertaken in England to perform certain duties which in Ireland are performed by the Local Authorities. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Why?", "preceding_text": "EF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Sir MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH) (Bristol, W.) The point I wished to put before the Committee was the bearing of this matter upon the Vote. I understand the Local Government Board in 1885–6 found it necessary to incur expense in the appointment of additional inspectors to prevent the importation of cholera from abroad. It was not found 818 necessary to do that in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "nd it necessary to incur expense in the appointment of additional inspectors to prevent the importation of cholera from abroad. It was not found 818 necessary to do that in Ireland. [An hon. MEMBER: Why?] I will tell the hon. Gentleman who asks why. The Irish Local Government Board have sufficient assistance at present to enable them to do this work without appointing additional medical officers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "section": "class-ii-salaries-and-expenses-of-civil", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "n being required. § MR. BARRY (Wexford, S.) After the statement we have heard from the Government, I will withdraw my Amendment. In this country the prospect of an epidemic of cholera was greatly feared as a national danger, and the Government took proper steps to meet it; but in Ireland the Local Government Board went on in their usual happy-go-lucky way. If the cholera came, well and good. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/feb/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/feb/28/class-iv-education-science-and-art", "section": "class-iv-education-science-and-art", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "not, in my opinion, language calculated to conduce to the effective conduct of Business. We know it is the ambition of the right hon. Gentleman to be considered the Gladstone of the Tory Party; but it is unfortunate that on this, the first occasion on which Committee is set down, he inveigles us, he induces us, by his suggestion to pass a Vote, and then talks about taking a Division as a protest— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers from the Opposition.", "preceding_text": "appears to think that it would be proper for me to enter at length into the foreign policy which may have been adopted by the present Government, forgetting that such a course would be most unusual and most improper on my part; for it has been my advantage to possess until a very resent date official information, whereas the House is absolutely destitute of official information on foreign policy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers from Home Rulers.", "preceding_text": "elow its normal level. My right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary for Ireland has been criticized severely in various quarters, and in quarters where he might have looked for the most cordial consideration and support. I think myself my right hon. Friend is being rewarded for the great sacrifice—one of the greatest sacrifices ever made by any public man—when he accepted the post of Irish Secretary. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: What violation?", "preceding_text": "ed a more wanton rupture of a practice, if not as old established, at any rate more invariable—a practice, moreover, which had been the fixed tradition of this country, the fixed principle of the opposite Party, and the fixed policy of the right hon. Gentleman. The charge of the transgression of Constitutional principles hardly came well from a quarter which had been guilty of greater violations. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "Mr. CONYBEARE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "ink that the patronage of Irish Members lent a movement any especial sanctity. The Plan of Campaign had also had the honour of the advocacy of an English Member. It had received the Constitutional and moderate support of the hon. Member for the Camborne Division of Cornwall 345 (Mr. Conybeare). The hon. Member might, perhaps, give them a speech similar to the one he recently delivered in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "Cheers, and cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": " a practical consequence, and it had been consequent in point of time. The Plan of Campaign was the second move in a well-thought-out and well-organized game of hon. Members opposite, in which the Bill of the hon. Member for Cork was the first move. It was within the knowledge of almost all hon. Members that the Bill of the hon. Member for Cork was introduced in order that it might be thrown out. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: No, 80.", "preceding_text": "unionism commenced. It was attempted to crush out trades-unionism by means of it; but the artizans of England were strong enough to be able to resist it, and the result was that trades-unions were especially exempted from the law of conspiracy. The landlords of Ireland ought to be thankful for this Plan of Campaign. Take, for instance, the case of Lord Dillon. He has got 75 per cent, of his rent. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Or emigration.", "preceding_text": "and hand it over to them? Well, now, how do the Government propose to meet the state of things which is existing in Ireland at the present moment? The noble Lord the Member for Paddington (Lord Randolph Churchill) tells us that he would do nothing. He is perfectly satisfied with the present state of Ireland. The Chief Secretary (Sir Michael Hicks-Beach) would meet the whole question by migration. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jan/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jan/31/adjourned-debate-third-night", "section": "adjourned-debate-third-night", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ther question of current politics. It will rest with the Government whether we shall continue to support them. We cannot abandon entirely our Liberal principles, and support them in reactionary legislation. They will not, I hope, go in for reactionary legislation, Sir; but if they do, speaking for myself, I—and I know many others will do the same—shall not be able to give a vote to turn them out. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-hours-of-sittings-and-rising", "section": "parliament-hours-of-sittings-and-rising", "cue_text": "Op 356 position laughter, and cries of \"Clôture!\" and \"Order.\"", "preceding_text": "se of the present Session. It has been due to causes which, I hope, are abnormal, and which, I hope, will not recur. I am not in a position to recommend any immediate change in the Orders and Rules of the House, with the view, by Rule, to prevent the continuance of such a strain; but I hope that it will be possible for hon. Members to place some restraint on their own predilections and privileges,"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Laughter from the Irish Members.", "preceding_text": "se. § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL (Paddington, S.) I rise to Order. I wish, Sir, to submit a point of Order which occurred to me on hearing the paragraph read by the hon. Baronet from The Times newspaper. That point of Order is whether the House can entertain any Motion for breach of the Privileges of this House founded upon facts the sole evidence of which is contained in a newspaper statement? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"The Times. \"", "preceding_text": "e evidence of which is contained in a newspaper statement? [ Laughter from the Irish Members. ] When hon. Members opposite have sufficiently gratified themselves and have ceased their laughter I will support my point of Order by proving to the House that the newspaper evidence on which the hon. Baronet has brought forward his Motion is on the face of it of a very tainted and suspicious character. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " and other noble Lords sent their carriages. Of course, that is a question of evidence which it is for the House to decide. The House will decide whether the evidence is sufficient to found a conclusion that a breach of Privilege has been committed. 362 § LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL My point only is this—that as the evidence is thoroughly false in one particular, it is probably false in another. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": " LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. W. H. SMITH) (Strand, Westminster) Mr. Speaker, I cannot help regretting that the hon. Baronet has thought it necessary to make this Motion. I cannot complain of the hon. Member for Northampton (Mr. Bradlaugh), because, in seconding it, he told the House frankly that in this way he desires to revive a question which has already been entertained and decided by the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No !\"", "preceding_text": "the hon. Member for Northampton (Mr. Bradlaugh), because, in seconding it, he told the House frankly that in this way he desires to revive a question which has already been entertained and decided by the House. [ Cries of \"No!\"] I am not putting a strained interpretation upon the remarks of the hon. Member, when I say that he revives by this Motion, a question already decided by the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"The Times !\"", "preceding_text": " BRADLAUGH I am sure the right hon. Gentleman has no desire to 364 misinterpret what I said. Although it is perfectly true that in point of form I revive the question, yet I only revive it by asking the House to give effect to what it has twice decided already. § MR. W. H. SMITH All lean say is, that my objection to the Motion is that it proceeds upon evidence which is perfectly insufficient—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No !\"", "preceding_text": "of Privilege, and it is not for me to interfere. It is a matter entirely for the judgment of the House. § SIR WILFRID LAWSON In reply to the statement of the hon. and learned Gentleman (Mr. Staveley Hill) I may say that I have evidence in regard to one of the Peers. At all events, I have founded myself upon The Times in regard to Lord Salisbury, and I understand that evidence to be accepted. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "section": "parliament-sessional-orders-interference", "cue_text": "Cries of 366 \"No !\"", "preceding_text": "cause he did not lend his carriage. That, no doubt, is true; the noble Lord would not say so unless it was literally true; but the contradiction does not touch the question of the two Peers, and, as far as we are aware, the hon. Baronet the Member for Cockermouth (Sir Wilfrid Lawson) has distinctly given evidence with reference to the case of Lord Rothschild which is of an unanswerable character. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No !\"", "preceding_text": "in time, to serve that writ and to eject the tenant out of his holding, and that very often circumstances arise of a very painful kind which do not reflect very great credit upon the tenants concerned. I think the House will bear me out when I say that if these scenes are, I will not say wholly avoided, but materially diminished, a great thing will be done for the peace and prosperity of Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: India.", "preceding_text": "eved of the burden of debt which has hung round his neck. Some are of opinion, apparently, that the species of relief by bankruptcy ought to be given without bankruptcy. I do not mean to argue that point now; but I could not advise the House to adopt a course which, so far as I know, has not been adopted with regard to persons unable to fulfill their legal obligations in any country in the world. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\" and \"Not one!\"", "preceding_text": "self from all difficulty. If we are to conceive a landlord so unreasonable that he refused to diminish the rent which the tenant pays under the Act of 1881, even then the clause will be entirely adequate to stop unreasonable eviction. These clauses may not come up to the desires of hon. Gentlemen opposite; but they certainly do carry out the object we have in view—namely, to stop harsh evictions. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Nothing at all.", "preceding_text": "equate cure—that it offers substantial relief to the tenants who have come into Court since 1885—and that we have done all this without, so far as I know, doing any injustice to any class of the community. Hon. Gentlemen opposite, I gather from their tone, regard this Bill with considerable contempt. They regard it as a small and inadequate installment to the demands which the Irish tenants make. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Home Rule laughter and ironical 425 cheers.", "preceding_text": " the possibility of the Crimes Bill being used in order to secure harsh and unjust evictions, by the pressure which the landlords might be able to exercise in straining their legal rights. I say, if we were able to consider this question altogether apart from Party interests, I do not believe there is a single intelligent and fair-minded man who would not admit that this Bill is an honest attempt—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Laughter from Mr. T. M. HEALY.", "preceding_text": " has ever gone, whether Tory or Liberal. Hon. Members below the Gangway have been anxious to separate themselves from the category in which I have desired to place them. They do not think the Bill deserves the opinion which I have given to it. All I can say is, that my opinion is confirmed by what has taken place in \"another place\" with reference to the Bill. I find, for instance, Lord Fitzgerald—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Renewed laughter.", "preceding_text": " in which I have desired to place them. They do not think the Bill deserves the opinion which I have given to it. All I can say is, that my opinion is confirmed by what has taken place in \"another place\" with reference to the Bill. I find, for instance, Lord Fitzgerald—[ Laughter from Mr. T. M. HEALY.] I should have thought that hon. Members below the Gangway would have recognized Lord Fitzgerald—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Loud Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": "hat my opinion is confirmed by what has taken place in \"another place\" with reference to the Bill. I find, for instance, Lord Fitzgerald—[ Laughter from Mr. T. M. HEALY.] I should have thought that hon. Members below the Gangway would have recognized Lord Fitzgerald—[ Renewed laughter. ] I beg to remind the hon. and learned Member for North Longford that insulting interruptions are not arguments. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \" Name!\"", "preceding_text": " Fitzgerald—[ Renewed laughter. ] I beg to remind the hon. and learned Member for North Longford that insulting interruptions are not arguments. [ Loud Ministerial cheers. ] § MR. SPEAKER Order, order! § MR. T. M. HEALY If I am the hon. and learned Member for North Longford, I should like to remind the right hon. Member for West Birmingham— § MR. SPEAKER Order, order! "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\" from the Home Rule Members.", "preceding_text": "al reductions of 40 per cent.\" But before 1885, there were exceptional reductions of 40 per cent and more. The average reduction was 18 per cent; but the exceptional reductions were quite as great as those referred to by my right hon. Friend. We have to deal with this assumption and hypothesis, that the judicial rents fixed before 1885 were fair at the time when they were fixed. Is that accepted? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" from the Home Rule Members.", "preceding_text": "struction. The Amendment in that sense may be good or bad; but is it not altogether unreasonable on the part of my right hon. Friend, because he thinks it does not go far enough, that he should refuse the half loaf, which proverbially is a great deal better than no bread. Under these circumstances, my course is perfectly clear, if my right hon. Friend thinks it desirable to proceed to a Division. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " thinks it does not go far enough, that he should refuse the half loaf, which proverbially is a great deal better than no bread. Under these circumstances, my course is perfectly clear, if my right hon. Friend thinks it desirable to proceed to a Division. [\"Hear, hear!\" from the Home Rule Members. ] I am so glad I have made myself clear and intelligible to hon. Gentlemen below the Gangway. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "I cannot conceive any argument whatever for excluding them from the possibility of appeal. But there is a much more serious limitation in the Bill for which I cannot conceive the slightest justification; that is altogether outside the 12,000 perpetuity leases. It is the case of tenants whose landlords or their predecessors have made improvements to the extent of four times the amount of the rent. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": " and in that case the Government Bill intervenes and secures the intervention and discretion of the Court. But if he prefers he may go for the recovery of rent. That action may be removed by certiorari , and then upon that a fieri facias may issue, and there may be a sale of the holding. This second proceeding which is open to the landlord has, I believe, been very seldom resorted to in the past. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e same power in every case for the stay of execution. The third point with which only I propose to deal to-night is the question of the Bankruptcy Clauses. These clauses have been very unpopular in this House and I think in the country too. I am sorry to say that I have never heard anybody who would say a good word for them. I am supposed to be particularly interested in this part of the subject. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": " the other clauses of this Bill through the other House has been the objection which the landlords have taken not altogether without reason to those bankruptcy proposals which, in my judgment, are most generous, and have a very far-reaching consequence. Well, now we are told by those whom we must admit are authorized to speak on behalf of the tenants, that they reject these clauses with contempt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Gladstone !\" and \"Last April.\"", "preceding_text": "ect; MR. DILLON All except the 1st clause. § MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN Well, that is a very serious and unsatisfactory state of things; but I ask the House to consider whether in recent times those who now claim to be the Representatives of the National Party in Ireland have ever received any effort of any statesman to deal with the grievances of their constituents otherwise than with contempt? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/second-reading-first-night", "section": "second-reading-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e ever received any effort of any statesman to deal with the grievances of their constituents otherwise than with contempt? [ Cries of \"Gladstone !\" and \"Last April.\"] I am speaking of Land Bills. § MR. T. M. HEALY We showed that we were right. § MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN They received the Bill brought in by the late Government in 1880 for compensation for disturbance with contempt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/bill-316-second-reading", "section": "bill-316-second-reading", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: That is all in England?", "preceding_text": "gerate when I say that many innocent persons have been acquitted in consequence of having been able to give evidence on their own behalf. My hon. and learned friend the Member for York (Mr. Lockwood) defended a prisoner who would have been convicted and sent to penal servitude for many years if he had not been able to go into the witness-box and tell his own tale. And now we are in this position. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/11", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/11/consideration", "section": "consideration", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " much alarmed lest their trade would be injured if the name were changed. Having regard to the views of the traders, the Committee reported in favour of allowing the term \"butterine\" to be used, but at the same time they approved of the imposition of very severe penalties. The other night the Committee of the Whole House changed the name from \"butterine\" to \"margarine,\" and removed the penalties. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/criminal-law-amendment-ireland-act", "section": "criminal-law-amendment-ireland-act", "cue_text": "Home Rule Laughter.", "preceding_text": "unit for administrative purposes. It may, therefore, happen, and it has happened, that while the statistics of crime for a county generally seem satis- 37 factory, or fairly satisfactory, they are not so for the purposes of this argument, since they really indicate a very serious state of things in a relatively small area which specially calls for increased stringency in the machinery of the law. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "section": "royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Read !\"", "preceding_text": "d. He acted in the discharge of his duty. The language used was calculated to disturb the public peace. The action of Serjeant Joyce was approved by his superiors. No person is to be prosecuted for posting the placard. § MR. CHANCE Will the right hon. Gentleman, who has a copy of the placard in his hand, be good enough to state to the House what the objectionable contents of the placard are? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "section": "royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Read the placard.\"", "preceding_text": " is the passage or passages in the placard which he regards as inflammatory; and what are the peculiar circumstances of the district which rendered it inflammatory there? § MR. A.J. BALFOUR I do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman really thinks that any advantage is to be gained by carrying on a debate upon this subject across the Table of this House in the form of Question and answer. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: That will not apply to Ulster.", "preceding_text": "meaning of the Land Law Acts. What will his position be if he comes in as the tenant whose lease is expired? Why, he will be robbed of all the improvements he has made under the lease which he has held, say, for 31 years. The houses he may have built will remain to him, and all reclamations of waste land; but beyond that, all his improvements, such as drains and fences, will pass to the landlord. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Mr. GIBSON: Hear, hear !", "preceding_text": "hat it is the special aim of the Government to root the tenant in the soil, I submit in the interests of justice that this small concession should be made, and that leaseholders should be placed in precisely the same condition as tenants from year to year. § MR. MOLLOY (King's Co., Birr) Mr. Courtney, we seem to have been carrying on during the last half hour a highly techinical conversation—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no !\"", "preceding_text": "ense to what the right hon. Gentleman thinks. I do not consider legislation is retrospective which says that a man shall make an application to the Court, and whatever the Court decides shall date from the date of the application. A man who comes to the Court does not say, \"Relieve me of future payments;\" but he says, \"Relieve me of past payments which I have made, or which I ought to have made.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"No, no !\"", "preceding_text": " comes to the Court does not say, \"Relieve me of future payments;\" but he says, \"Relieve me of past payments which I have made, or which I ought to have made.\" [ Cries of \"No, no !\"] I think I am putting the matter quite accurately. The proposal 125 of the right hon. Gentleman is that when a tenant comes to the Court, he shall ask the Court to relieve him of payments he ought to have made. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "r, that you have allowed us considerable latitude in dealing with these clauses—as much latitude as we could claim in the discussion of a matter of this kind. But I think, Sir, you will agree that very frequently very substantial benefit has resulted from a little latitude having been given in such matters as this. If the Government will agree to postpone Clause 4—I am going no further than that. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Interruption by Mr. PARNELL.", "preceding_text": " it. I beg to move that the clause be postponed. 143 § Motion made, and Question proposed, \"That the Clause be postponed.\"—( Mr. Parnell. ) THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR) (Manchester, E.) I do not undervalue or underrate the importance of what has fallen from the hon. Member for Cork (Mr. Parnell). I do not know whether I ought to describe it as a warning or as a threat. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "sguise on our part. We, on the part of the people of Ireland at large, are anxious to prevent Irish evictions. We are anxious for the passage of this Bill in the best shape it can be moulded into. Under these circumstances, I consider the recommendation of the noble Lord (Lord Randolph Churchill) ought to find favour with the Government. We have always found the noble Lord a practical politician. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Laughter ,", "preceding_text": "b at the interests of the Irish tenant. We know, therefore, perfectly well that whether we encounter that opposition at the end of the Committee stage or now, we shall have to encounter it. If it was possible to disarm the opposition of hon. Gentlemen opposite without any sacrifice of principle, we should be glad to do so. But we believe this clause to be necessary in the interests of the tenant. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: No, no !", "preceding_text": "pposition to the clause. I do not think, however, that this clause is against the interests of the Irish tenants. I believe it is in favour of the tenants; I believe that it is one of the most important provisions of the Bill, and that it carries out the object of the Bill in so far as putting a stop to harsh and unnecessary evictions is concerned. It is admitted, that what it does is to postpone—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " suppose it may postpone something. Perhaps the hon. Member will wait to hear what, in my judgment, the clause postpones. I say I believe it is admitted that the effect of this clause will be, in some measure, to postpone the eviction. In place of the eviction which now takes place as the first proceeding, there will he the notice, and the eviction, when it comes, will come six months afterwards. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "impossible condition. § MR. SEXTON We have been beaten in 10 Divisions. § MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN The hon. Member interrupts mo to say they have been beaten in 10 Divisions, and that leads me to make another remark. What is the nature of the harmony that has accompanied our proceedings? Up to this time we have been dealing with the most magnificent concessions ever made to Irish tenants. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/markets-axd-fairs-weighing-of-cattle", "section": "markets-axd-fairs-weighing-of-cattle", "cue_text": "Laugh- 185 ter.", "preceding_text": " these are trivial offences, and I cannot see the force of the Solicitor General's argument. Then he says this Amendment is foreign to our whole system of legislation. But has he within the scope of his reading included the Irish Fishery Acts? Not only is there a minimum penalty fixed; but I have known a case in which a man got a j case quashed by the Queen's Bench because he was fined too little "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/26/municipal-regulation-constabulary-c", "section": "municipal-regulation-constabulary-c", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Which Standing Order?\"", "preceding_text": "alive to the importance of the Bill, and have the strongest desire to see it pass. § MR. M. J. KENNY (Tyrone, Mid) The right hon. and gallant Gentleman has not given a particle of information on the points addressed to him. He was asked upon what authority or rule it was necessary to refer this Bill to a Select Committee? § COLONEL KING-HARMAN On a Standing Order which cannot be altered."}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "section": "royal-irish-constabulary-removal-of", "cue_text": "Home Rule cries of \"Read!\"", "preceding_text": "ntains language which, in the circumstances, may be regarded as inflammatory, and as tending to social disorder and a breach of the peace. I see no reason for questioning the legality of the conduct, of the police, who must necessarily act in such matters promptly upon their knowledge of the locality and the facts. I do not know whether it would be necessary for me to read the placard in extenso. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Ironical cheers.", "preceding_text": "se of the Bill. We have given our support to it because we think it is something which will be of advantage to many tenants, and of enormous advantage to law and order in Ireland. I am prepared to go through with my support of the Government in respect to this clause, although I desire to see it made as lenient as possible for the tenants; and if the Government stand by it we shall vote for them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \" Oh, oh \"", "preceding_text": "ve to them, and which they think to be against the interest of certain farmers in Ireland, they will take a vast responsibility on their shoulders. I say that this is the best measure that has ever been introduced for the tenants in Ireland: I believe that it is only under exceptional circumstances that such a measure could be passed, and speaking in the name of a section of the farmers of Ulster—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": " therefore the clause should be restricted to tenancies created after the passing of the Act. § Amendment proposed, In page 2, line 35, after the word \"holding,\" insert\" held under a tenancy created after the passing of this Act.\"—( Mr. Maurice Healy.) § THE ATTORNEY GENERAL (Sir RICHARD WEBSTER) (Isle of Wight) The hon. Member has really given us no reason in support of this Amendment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "s the result of a wise and prudent decision as to the mode in which judgments ought to be recovered I am unable to under stand—— § MR. MAURICE HEALY Section 22 protects the tenant in one case, and why should he not be protected in the other? Answer that if you can. § MR. GIBSON With the observations I have made I do not think it necessary to trouble the Committee further on this matter, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/jul/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/jul/27/irish-land-law-bill-lords", "section": "irish-land-law-bill-lords", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ter and more useful effect on his mind than association with Irish landlords on the 273 Benches opposite and other hon. Gentlemen who fire intermingled by social, political, and financial relations with Irish landlords, and whose votes, therefore, cannot be regarded by us with that respect they otherwise would be. Now, at this hour (5.20), I had batter not speak at any length upon this Amendment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/parliament-order-withdrawal-of-a", "section": "parliament-order-withdrawal-of-a", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "quent day. § MR. SPEAKER As the Notice of the Question has been withdrawn, I shall not take any objection to the hon. Member making an explanation. § MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.) Before the hon. Member proceeds to give any answer to the Question may I be permitted to say that on reading the 1754 paragraph which appeared in The Times on Monday I placed the Question on the Notice Paper. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "mates a sum of £200,000 as a contribution from Egypt. It was on that occasion that Lord Rosebery wrote the despatch which was quoted just now by the hon. Member for Kirkcaldy (Sir George Campbell), in which, in reply to the demand from Egypt, and the plea 1772 which the Egyptian Government had made for some remission, Lord Rosebery substantially told them that no remission whatever would be made. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "An hon. Member: Altogether!", "preceding_text": " would be made. [ Cries of \"No!\"] Hon. Members say \"no.\" Then I shall have to read the despatch again. It is dated April 14th, 1886, and it is a despatch from Lord Rosebery to Sir Henry Drummond Wolff, and it says— I should wish you to point out to His Excellency that it would be unreasonable to expect that Her Majesty's Government could consent to renounce altogether the payment of the £200,000. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " arrangement; there was no such liability. I am not acquainted with the method in which diplomatic answers are understood, and accordingly I misunderstood the answer of the right hon. Baronet. I admit that I am learning a good deal about diplomatic matters in this House; but I never expected that, the Leader of the House being present, who is responsible for much more than his Secretaries allege. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Mr. GOSCHEN: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "with those people. The Government seem to have forgotten altogether— § MR.GOSCHEN I understand, though I am speaking without figures, that a portion of the land tax has been remitted, as contemplated. § MR. ILLINGWORTH The right hon. Gentleman has a very keen, analytical mind, and he must admit that the case of the fellaheen was infinitely stronger than that of the bondholders in Egypt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "de of the House had asked him to waive his opposition he would not have done so. It was very kind of him, I am sure, to say that; but I can assure him that other hon. Members on this side of the House are very much the same kind of men that I am. They are not much better and they are not much worse. They are all animated just as much as he is with the desire to advance the Business of this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide, divide!\"", "preceding_text": "hat can be done in the one country with good effect and economy can be done in the other. I maintain that instead of throwing money away in building permanent residences for troops who are shortly to 1842 be withdrawn, instead of building these suburban villas, mere temporary residences would have been quite as effective in guarding the troops against the dangers peculiar to the Egyptian climate. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "e Nile Railway. Now the Suakin and Wady Halfa Railway has had a very chequered career, and I cannot see that it will prove of any advantage to this country or to Egypt. For this railway we are asked to provide £8,400, and that is the second largest item in this Vote No. 13. I consider that if we palm off this ill-conceived concern upon the Egyptian Government we shall be doing them a great wrong. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Sit down!", "preceding_text": "Now the Suakin and Wady Halfa Railway has had a very chequered career, and I cannot see that it will prove of any advantage to this country or to Egypt. For this railway we are asked to provide £8,400, and that is the second largest item in this Vote No. 13. I consider that if we palm off this ill-conceived concern upon the Egyptian Government we shall be doing them a great wrong. [Interruption.] "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "sk the hon. Gentleman the Surveyor General of Ordnance (Mr. H. S. Northcote), who is piloting this Vote through Committee, to give us a little further information upon the details of this Vote; because I cannot understand why, in a country like Egypt, where labour is easily had, and where, as I have said, materials are plentiful, there should have been such a large expenditure upon defence works. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Order!\" and interruption .", "preceding_text": "the Exchequer. § MR. GOSCHEN I trust the Committee will permit and compel the hon. Member for South Armagh, who has made this statement, to state distinctly what he means. It is not enough for the hon. Member to say that it is the impression amongst hon. Members on those Benches. When he retails calumny and slander, I want to know what he means in specific terms. § MR. SEXTON here rose. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "; MR. SEXTON here rose. [ Loud cries of \"Order!\" and interruption .] THE CHAIRMAN Order, order! Mr. Sexton. § MR. SEXTON (Belfast, W.) I wish to submit to you, Sir, in regard to what the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer has just said, that my hon. Friend stated that an opinion prevailed on these Benches on a certain question; and he stated the grounds for that impression. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "RMAN Order, order! Mr. Sexton. § MR. SEXTON (Belfast, W.) I wish to submit to you, Sir, in regard to what the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer has just said, that my hon. Friend stated that an opinion prevailed on these Benches on a certain question; and he stated the grounds for that impression. [ Cries of \"No, no!\"] 1845 He stated what, in his opinion, the grounds were. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Laughter, and cries of \"Withdraw!\"", "preceding_text": "enefit of the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer—that it is an impression upon those Benches—and not only that, but I have seen it stated in the Press—that the right hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer was one of the firm that floated certain loans; and that this money, which was being voted ostensibly for military purposes, will be turned over to pay the bondholders. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "man the Chancellor of the Exchequer, I know, as everyone who has studied the history of these Egyptian matters knows, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer's firm had something to do with the original loan; and inasmuch as that original loan has yet to have interest paid upon it, and inasmuch as we are now voting money to pay that interest, it is, perhaps, not unnatural that some hon. Members here—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: £100,000,000!", "preceding_text": " been his chequered career, his honourable personal character entirely removes him above any imputation of this kind. It is certainly not on any ground of imputation against him that I have moved the Amendment. I have taken this course, because I believe that we have no right to spend the public money of this country in the way that is proposed. We on the Radical Benches are trying to save money. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: No; an Australian.", "preceding_text": "seded by some other before very long. Who, I ask, will guarantee that someone will not next year invent a torpedo infinitely better than the Brennan torpedo? Who would venture to guarantee that this Brennan torpedo will be better than any other torpedo? Well, Sir, I ask Her Majesty's Government to pause and consider what they are about to do. This gentleman, as I have said, is an American citizen—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Cheers and a Voice: \"Why does he not sell it to them, then?\"", "preceding_text": " are what we call in Australia \"blowing\"—I maintain, and I have authority to say, that the invention is unknown to anyone outside the authorities of the Admiralty. The apparatus was such that it could be guided from the shore to a belligerent vessel several miles distant, and no vessel could withstand the shock. Foreign Governments would give this young Australian double the price we were giving. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/10/supply-considered-in-committee", "section": "supply-considered-in-committee", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "e is voted by professional advice, which is invaluable; but care is taken that the Committee of advice shall be very complete and competent. The noble Lord the First Lord of the Admiralty (Lord George Hamilton), who will be moving in a few days the Navy Estimates, has published a statement which embodies an elaborate and clear explanation of the misappropriation of large sums of the public money. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: \"The Loyal and Patriotic League.\"", "preceding_text": "blic safety and for the security and happiness of the law-abiding people in Ireland; and we claim from the House of Commons that they shall give despatch to the consideration of the demands we are now making. The speech from which I have quoted was made in January, 1881, when an association called the Land League was in existence in Ireland. There is now an association called the National League. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Home Rule Cries of \"Oh!\" and cheers.", "preceding_text": "t question now, and I shall reserve my defence of the Bill which we are going to introduce until that Bill is before the House. But I may remind the right hon. Gentleman, who places so much reliance upon statistics of crime as affording proof or disproof of the necessity for a Criminal Law Amendment Bill—I may remind him of the words of the right hon. Member for Mid Lothian (Mr. W. E. Gladstone). "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Home Rule laughter and cheers.", "preceding_text": "rent to 10 years' rent. The total number evicted for owing more than one and a half-year's rent was 456. Of these only 132 were judicial rents. Therefore, of the tenants evicted for non-payment of rents due for more than one and a half year, no fewer than 324 were evicted for nonpayment of non-judicial rents, and every one of those tenants could have gone into Court and had a judicial rent fixed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Yes!\"", "preceding_text": " than one and a half-year's rent was 456. Of these only 132 were judicial rents. Therefore, of the tenants evicted for non-payment of rents due for more than one and a half year, no fewer than 324 were evicted for nonpayment of non-judicial rents, and every one of those tenants could have gone into Court and had a judicial rent fixed. [ Home Rule laughter and cheers. ] Is that proposition denied? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: They did.", "preceding_text": "k it is hardly relevant, unless I am to understand that the hon. Gentleman does not consider 1179 that he is bound to a statement of fact made in opposition to a Conservative Government which brings in a Coercion Bill. He made the statement, and pressed it upon the House as true; and, therefore, I ask why did not right hon. Gentlemen opposite take up the case and deal with it in their own manner? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Try it!\"", "preceding_text": " your law effective, not by increasing its stringency or altering its machinery, but by remedial legislation, you had better do so. If the effect of passing our Land Bills or any Land Bill would lead to such a change that juries would cease to be intimidated, and that witnesses would come forward and give their evidence—then every one of my Colleagues would hasten to bring forward such a measure. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Opposition cries of \"Oh, oh! \" and \"Withdraw!\"", "preceding_text": "t the arguments I have used can only be properly addressed to those who agree with me in that broad policy which we think ought to guide the common destinies of the two countries. But, Sir, that is not my opinion. I believe that every man in this House who wishes to stop short of absolute separation is perfectly mad if he follows the policy suggested by the right hon. Gentleman in his Resolution. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "ord mad; but if the delicate sensibilities of hon. Members opposite are offended, I will say that any such man must be singularly unwise if he follows that policy, because every scheme which the ingenuity of man can suggest which stops short of absolute separation involves some kind of arrangement and some kind of bargain between the people of Ireland and the people of England. If in your madness—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "t loyalty, law, and order; and men, through fear of the power of the League, led the life of dogs, hunted and Boycotted. Talk about evictions by landlords, had there ever been an eviction so cruel as the ease of the Misses Curtin—driven out of the country by the hell-hounds of the League because they nobly stood up to defend their father from the assassins of the League, paid by American dollars? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers.", "preceding_text": "would not have been in one single point advanced. Another, and most formidable, indictment had been preferred against the measure which, the Government proposed to bring in. The right hon. Gentleman who had just sat down said the measure might be characterized as one to deprive Ireland of her Constitutional rights in order that the landlords of Ireland might deprive the tenants of their property. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/mar/22/business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "section": "business-of-the-house-criminal-law", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Yes, it will.", "preceding_text": "hile, until the evil had reached such dimensions that none but the most extreme and heroic remedies were appropriate? he submitted that that was not statesmanship, and he rejoiced to know that it was not the course which Her Majesty's Government intended to take. Did the right hon. Gentleman believe that the effect of this measure when it became law would be to convict innocent people in Ireland? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/class-vii-miscellaneous", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous", "cue_text": "Ministerial laughter.", "preceding_text": " Vote, Item B, is part of the same business, but is, perhaps, a little more ridiculous than the first part. It is an allowance to the Marshal of the Ceremonies for attendance on Foreign Ministers. I should like to know who is the Marshal of the Ceremonies, and who are the Foreign Ministers on whom he attends? Then there is a periodical allowance for nine trumpeters. Who on earth wants trumpeters? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/class-vii-miscellaneous", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide ! \"", "preceding_text": "or repairing insignia and for various repairs—might have done very well for the new Peers. I do not see why this insignia, like old wine, should not be the better for keeping, especially if they are maintained in decent repair. It is quite right and proper that those right hon. Gentlemen who got these great dignities conferred upon them should wear these gorgeous trappings when they are ennobled. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/class-vii-miscellaneous", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous", "cue_text": "cries of \"Order ! \" and \"Divide ! \"", "preceding_text": "—are placed in the Beauchamp Tower, and we all take a pride and a pleasure in looking at them. But what do you want with a keeper? You have got all these beefeaters and soldiers, a receiver of fees, an exhibitor, a collector, wardens, &c.—surely, Sir, it does not 1483 require all these to keep the jewels? In the name of common sense I appeal to the hon. Gentleman (Mr. Jackson) for an explanation. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "cue_text": "A laugh .", "preceding_text": "lating to the aristocracy and Royalty in this country. I think it is time we spoke frankly on this subject. I do not desire to say anything disrespectful of any Member of the Royal Family; but I say that it is not in the interests of the institution we call Royalty in this country that these miserable little payments should be continued. These things rankle in the minds of the people out-of-doors—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "section": "class-vii-miscellaneous-1", "cue_text": "\" Oh, oh ! \"", "preceding_text": " their board and lodging amongst us, and ask us to pay these supplementary sums; and I would make an earnest appeal to the Government to take the bull by the horns at once, and cut off this Vote altogether. Why should they jeopardize their reputation and bring themselves into unpopularity with their constituencies, and continue to bring, not only ridicule, but contempt on the Royal Family itself— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report", "section": "supply-report", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_text": "re of the people to help themselves will induce the Government to do what they can to assist, and I hope the right hon. Gentleman will reply to the questions I have put to him. COLONEL NOLAN I think the Government ought to be pressed to consent to an adjournment on this question. One of the great inconveniences of discussing such a subject on an occasion like this, is that we can only speak once. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report", "section": "supply-report", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_text": "ences of discussing such a subject on an occasion like this, is that we can only speak once. [ Laughter .] Well, we allowed the Committee stage to go through without debate, and I think we ought to get an opportunity of expressing our opinions on this subject at some hour other than 3 o'clock in the morning, when it is idle 1507 to attempt to say a few words with any hope of their being reported. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report", "section": "supply-report", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "rivately to the consideration of Irish Members. Now, first there is £12,000 for the Shannon. I was on the Shannon Commission; it was a mixed Commission, upon which, I believe, I was the only Home Ruler. All Parties were agreed that there was no gigantic work to be undertaken on the Shannon. All you have to do is to take off a certain amount of water, which you can take off by a stroke of the pen. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report", "section": "supply-report", "cue_text": "cries of \"Order !\" and interruptions .", "preceding_text": "nce of the use to which these funds are to be devoted there is no corresponding remission to Ireland. To mark my protest, I beg to move the adjournment of this debate. § MR. PYNE (Waterford, W.) I differ from my hon. and gallant Friend— § MR. W. H. SMITH I cannot help regarding this as wilful repetition of a discussion that has already gone far enough. § MR. PYNE But I am speaking— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report", "section": "supply-report", "cue_text": "Interruptions .", "preceding_text": "rk my protest, I beg to move the adjournment of this debate. § MR. PYNE (Waterford, W.) I differ from my hon. and gallant Friend— § MR. W. H. SMITH I cannot help regarding this as wilful repetition of a discussion that has already gone far enough. § MR. PYNE But I am speaking— [ cries of \"Order !\" and interruptions .]— You speak much more often than I do. My hon. and gallant Friend—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report-1", "section": "supply-report-1", "cue_text": "cries of \"Morning ! \"", "preceding_text": " to the present time to allow us to bring forward matters of urgency in regard to administration in Ireland. I object to proceeding at this hour unless the right hon. Gentleman will promise that he will not immediately step in and stop discussion. If he should desire a further postponement I should be well pleased. § MR. W. H. SMITH We desire that the Resolution should be taken this evening. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report-1", "section": "supply-report-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order ! \"", "preceding_text": "rning— § MR. SPEAKER Order, order ! I have ruled the subject out of Order, as having no relation to the Vote. I permitted the Attorney General for Ireland to answer a question put to him; but I must say I think there is no connection between the remarks of the hon. Member and the particular Vote with which the House is asked to agree. § MR. EDWARD HARRINGTON . If you will allow me, Sir, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/06/supply-report-1", "section": "supply-report-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order \"", "preceding_text": "im; but I must say I think there is no connection between the remarks of the hon. Member and the particular Vote with which the House is asked to agree. § MR. EDWARD HARRINGTON . If you will allow me, Sir, [ Cries of \"Order ! \"] I will not attempt to argue the matter, and respectfully submit to the Chair. But may I be permitted to say that the answer given by the Attorney General for Ireland—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/bill-363-committee", "section": "bill-363-committee", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": " and now it appears that it is an Act for the restraint of trade. § SIR RICHARD WEBSTER I did not say one word about the restraint of trade. If the hon. Gentleman will read the Act, he will see there is nothing about the restraint of trade. § MR. CLANCY Of course, the hon. and learned Gentleman did not use such a phrase; he was not such a \"silly-billy\" as to use an expression like that. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/bill-363-committee", "section": "bill-363-committee", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "lly.\" § MR. CLANCY That is my inference from his remarks, and I am justified in the inference when I hear there is in this Act such an extraordinary provision interfering with the course of trade as one prescribing how linen shall be folded, and another provision dealing with the settlement of disputes between musters and workmen. The 187 sooner we get at the bottom of this matter the better—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/bill-363-committee", "section": "bill-363-committee", "cue_text": "Colonel NOLAN: Hear, hear !", "preceding_text": "power to issue warrants directed to the collectors of county cess in Ireland, desiring them to levy the estimated charges and expenses of any additional constabulary force appointed for any county or district thereof, and it also gives him power, under the second part of the clause, to appoint special collectors for that purpose. Now, Sir, this touches one of the most acute grievances in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "nted by the Government it cannot be done. There is no law to accomplish such an end. On this occasion, when the people were standing quietly by, the police rushed at them with their batons, and they fled from the violence of the police. At another place a magistrate said to a constable—\"Haven't you got a batoning party there. \"We have,\"—said the constable. \"Then go at them like the Davil!\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"There were none.\"", "preceding_text": "n dark colours of the sufferings of the wounded and the tragic effects of the fire of the police. § MR. SEXTON The deaths. § MR. A. J. BALFOUR There were two deaths. The hon. Member said there were more, but as far as my information goes there were two. Three were wounded and two were killed. The hon. Member has omitted altogether all reference to the injuries inflicted upon the police. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Yes!\"", "preceding_text": " previous to the meeting, and especially those who, when the police were seen approaching, cried out to the mob to close their ranks against the police. The hon. Gentleman says the responsibility for these transactions rests with us. I listened in vain for any justification of that grave accusation. Who is it that has been attempting to inflame the minds of the Irish people? Is it the Government? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"No!\" from the Ministerial side.", "preceding_text": "n to stir it up, and intensify it, as the Chief Secretary had by his speech. Perhaps he might be allowed to call attention to one part of the right hon. Gentleman's speech that had been referred to by the hon. Member who spoke last. The right hon. Gentleman said it was not to be wondered at that the police had acted as they did, although, according to all accounts, they were the first disturbers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "ding to all accounts, they were the first disturbers. [ Loud cries of \"No!\" from the Ministerial side. ] There could not be the shadow of a doubt about that. He had taken the trouble to read the accounts, and the conclusion he had drawn from the descriptions given by the correspondents of the London newspapers was, that the police were the first to break in on a body of peaceable citizens. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": " of impartiality. He knew how much truth there was in the allegation that the information he had given was contradicted by the Press accounts. 241 To do the hon. Member for West Belfast justice, he had drawn his account from the papers, and not from any secret information that could not he tested; but this House knew that the information of the right hon. Gentleman was tainted in its very source. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Home Rule cheers", "preceding_text": " It was said by hon. Members opposite that no fault could be found with the meeting, that it was quiet and peaceable, and that the odium of the disturbance rested on a small body of police- To any common sense man that did not seem convincing, especially as these so-called peaceable men came to the meeting armed with blackthorns, and carried with them missiles and weapons. The country would judge—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers and interruption.", "preceding_text": "it was quiet and peaceable, and that the odium of the disturbance rested on a small body of police- To any common sense man that did not seem convincing, especially as these so-called peaceable men came to the meeting armed with blackthorns, and carried with them missiles and weapons. The country would judge—[ Home Rule cheers ]—as it would judge of the attitude of hon. Members opposite that day. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Renewed interruption.", "preceding_text": "vincing, especially as these so-called peaceable men came to the meeting armed with blackthorns, and carried with them missiles and weapons. The country would judge—[ Home Rule cheers ]—as it would judge of the attitude of hon. Members opposite that day. [ Ministerial cheers and interruption. ] He could well understand the hon. Members opposite did not want the true facts of the case to be known. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question !\"", "preceding_text": " of men coming in from all the adjoining counties, amounting altogether to between 3,000 and 4,000 men, with bands and banners, and accompanied by every circumstance calculated to influence and affect the judgment of the judicial tribunal and the witnesses to be examined. What would have been the effect of that demonstration within the hearing of the Court House if the trial had been one by jury? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "duty of the Government to see that the speeches are reported, and anyone resisting the official Government reporter in the attempt to take a note is engaged in the resistance of the law. Is it to be said, for one moment, that if a seditious or illegal meeting is to be held, it is entirely at the discretion of the parties holding the meeting whether they will allow a report to be taken or not? 250 "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Not at all.", "preceding_text": "ote is engaged in the resistance of the law. Is it to be said, for one moment, that if a seditious or illegal meeting is to be held, it is entirely at the discretion of the parties holding the meeting whether they will allow a report to be taken or not? 250 [ Cries of \"No!\"] According to hon. Gentlemen opposite the police can be resisted if they attempt to force their way into the meeting. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": " to hon. Gentlemen opposite the police can be resisted if they attempt to force their way into the meeting. [An hon. MEMBER: Not at all.] The police on this occasion did, in the exercise of their duty, attempt to make their way to the waggonette from which the speeches were to be made. They were resisted. The peasant cavalry, by the motion of their horses, disordered the discipline of the police. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/10/observations-1", "section": "observations-1", "cue_text": "Interruption from a Home Rule Member. s", "preceding_text": "hat the necessarily imperfect telegraphic summary which was read by the Chief Secretary to the House was not worth hearing, because it comes from a tainted source. Why did they ask us to get official information at all? May I ask why it should come from a tainted source? Why are we told it comes from an incriminated quarter? Are the police any more on their trial in this matter than anybody else? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/16/public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "section": "public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "cue_text": "\" Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "ce has been in force, and when the order was issued? § MR. MATTHEWS I cannot give the hon. Gentleman any precise date. So far as I know, it has been a continuous practice. Certainly I found it in existence, and I have made no alteration. § MR. J. ROWLANDS I wish the right hon. Gentleman could give the information asked. I have been connected with many open-air meetings in the Metropolis—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/16/public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "section": "public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "cue_text": "\"Order, order !\"", "preceding_text": "R. MATTHEWS I cannot give the hon. Gentleman any precise date. So far as I know, it has been a continuous practice. Certainly I found it in existence, and I have made no alteration. § MR. J. ROWLANDS I wish the right hon. Gentleman could give the information asked. I have been connected with many open-air meetings in the Metropolis—[\" Order, order!\"]—and have been responsible for many—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1887/sep/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1887/sep/16/public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "section": "public-meetings-metropolis-the-right-of", "cue_text": "\"Order, order !\"", "preceding_text": "ate. So far as I know, it has been a continuous practice. Certainly I found it in existence, and I have made no alteration. § MR. J. ROWLANDS I wish the right hon. Gentleman could give the information asked. I have been connected with many open-air meetings in the Metropolis—[\" Order, order!\"]—and have been responsible for many—[\"Order, order !\"]—and I have never yet been asked—"}