{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "\".No, no!\" and laughter.", "preceding_text": "But I will ask the House to lot me pursue the argument, which I have not at all finished. It follows that in any civil or criminal action which may take place in Ireland, and which touches any of the exceptions and restrictions in Clauses 3 and 4, the case can be brought within the net of the restrictions and exceptions, and can be tried before an Exchequer Judge without the assistance of a jury. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: No, no!", "preceding_text": "ative Council, and they will be paramount over every other class. Now I come to my strongest argument. What did Parliament do with the twenty-pounders? Lord O'Hagan's Act came into operation in 1872. Within six mouths afterwards an amending Act was passed which raised the qualification to £30. That did no particular good, and the jurors were just as stupid and just as useless as they were before. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "A Voice: \"And will again,\" and cheers.", "preceding_text": " and Ministers who have brought about, a state of things like that, and I would venture, so far as I can, to appeal to you to recollect that you do not stand alone, that you have not been abandoned by Great Britain, and that the Home Rule Bill has not yet become law. I do not come here to preach any doctrines of passive obedience or non-resistance. You have had to fight for your liberties before. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "everybody knows, is not to believe them. That form of reply was freely and abundantly given. Gentlemen opposite pretend to argue that our safeguards are inadequate. Yes; but what they really do is to foretell with the greatest confidence such a state of things that no safeguards within the compass of Legislature would be adequate. I submit that our hopes are at least as substantial as your fears. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "Opposition cries of \"Yes!\"", "preceding_text": "Can it be contended that, if you are to have a special rating qualification at all, you could set up a Chamber elected by between 50,000 and 60,000 voters to counterbalance a Chamber elected by 750,000 or 800,000 voters? Anyone can see that this is absurd. But, after all, the real question is, \"Do you deny that there is any occasion— any necessity—for a Bill for the better government of Ireland?\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/18", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/18/second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjuruned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ember for South Tyrone the other day quoted some bad language which somer of those hon. Gentlemen opposite were e-ported to have used with reference to one another. Why, to a fastidious standard of that kind, three-fourths of the Legislative Chambers of Europe and the United States would not conform. The hon. Member sets up a standard for Ireland which no civilised country that I know of sets up. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "t of discharging that liability, is it not an extraordinary thing for the advocates of local self-government in this House to decline to give a Second Reading to a Bill which simply carries out that agreement? Large issues have been raised in this Debate, I think quite unnecessarily and wrongly raised, and there has really been something like a waste of the time of the 1463 House in that respect. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/second-reading-adjourned-debate", "section": "second-reading-adjourned-debate", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order! \"", "preceding_text": "erment could have applied. § *MR. KIMBER (who was met with cries of \"Divide!\") said, he merely rose for the purpose of asking leave to withdraw his Motion. He did not want to prevent the Bill being discussed in a Select Committee, but he hoped it would not be considered that he was at all out of Order if, when the Bill came back, he discussed to the bottom the principle of betterment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-belfast-disturbances", "section": "the-belfast-disturbances", "cue_text": "Cries of \" What about Sexton?\"", "preceding_text": " all parties\" who are endeavouring to restore order in the city? *MR. J. MORLEY I submit that the questions which the hon. Member has just put to me are, if I may venture to say so without offence, rather an abuse of the purposes of a question. I mean that, put in such form, they are clearly not questions designed for the purpose of getting information from a Minister, hut for giving information. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-hull-docks-strike", "section": "the-hull-docks-strike", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": " give an answer as to whether the Business of 1493 the House can be interrupted for the discussion of this subject. § Subsequently, § MR. KEIR HARDIE said: I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade a question of which I have just given him private notice—namely, whether it is true that the chief obstacle to a conciliatory settlement of the Hull dispute is a Member of this House—— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-hull-docks-strike", "section": "the-hull-docks-strike", "cue_text": "Cries of \" Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": " dispute is a Member of this House—a supporter of the present Government; and whether—— § MR. SPEAKER That is not a matter which is under the cognisance or control of the Government. § MR. KEIR HARDIE I will read the latter part of the question, Sir:— \"And whether this in any way accounts for the readiness with which the Military Forces were sent to his assistance, and for the evident——\""}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "at I made a statement as to the composition of the Borough Bench of South-port before and after the period when the right hon. Gentleman had begun to exercise his prerogative of appointment, and I based upon the statement the charge that the right hon. Gentleman had shattered the political balance which previously existed by appointing a disproportionate and an inexcusable number of politicians—— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ting to the House the statement that I made the other day, in order that they might clearly understand the grounds upon which I now ask to make an explanation. The House will remember that I made certain statements which, not once nor twice, but repeatedly, across the Table of this House, the right hon. Gentleman denied, and I have come here this afternoon to repeat those statements to the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\" and \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " he explains or justifies his statement? § *MR. BRYCE If these proceedings are in Order I may say that I not only adhere to my statement, but add that the facts which I have ascertained since Tuesday do more than bear it out. MR. CURZON Inasmuch as the right hon. Gentleman has now definitely and emphatically adhered to the statement of last Tuesday, and inasmuch as I dispute in toto his case—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " not only adhere to my statement, but add that the facts which I have ascertained since Tuesday do more than bear it out. MR. CURZON Inasmuch as the right hon. Gentleman has now definitely and emphatically adhered to the statement of last Tuesday, and inasmuch as I dispute in toto his case—[ Cries of \"Order!\" and \"Oh!\"]—and am prepared to prove that I am right and that he is wrong — "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "w definitely and emphatically adhered to the statement of last Tuesday, and inasmuch as I dispute in toto his case—[ Cries of \"Order!\" and \"Oh!\"]—and am prepared to prove that I am right and that he is wrong — [ Renewed cries of \"Order!\"]—I trust the House will bear with me a few minutes—[\"Order!\"]— inasmuch as my veracity as the Member of Parliament for that Division —"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Names!\"", "preceding_text": "n of the facts as represented by the hon. Gentleman. MR. CURZON I will do exactly as you tell me. There are two opposite statements as to the composition of the Bench at Southport. I stated in the remarks that I made on Tuesday that there were upon the Bench at Southport at the present time 19 supporters of the present Government, Gladstonian Liberals, two Liberal Unionists, and 11 Conservatives. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "!\"] I did at the time hand the names over the Table to the right hon. Gentleman. § *MR. BRYCE Without giving me an opportunity of consulting about them. MR. CURZON I beg pardon—I handed over a book in which there wan a list of the names, and I told the right hon. Gentleman distinctly that I supplied it for his benefit. § *MR. BRYCE I submit, Sir, that this is extremely irregular. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " that in reply to, and in contradiction to, my statement, the right hon. Gentleman said on Tuesday that when he came into Office he found only nine Gladstonians and 16 Conservatives on the Bench; that his appointments had raised the number of Gladstonians to 15, as well as two working men, and that the number of Unionists remained 16 as before. Now, these figures are utterly and wholly incorrect. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "ght hon. Gentleman said on Tuesday that when he came into Office he found only nine Gladstonians and 16 Conservatives on the Bench; that his appointments had raised the number of Gladstonians to 15, as well as two working men, and that the number of Unionists remained 16 as before. Now, these figures are utterly and wholly incorrect. [ Cries of \"Order!\"] I suppose I may be presumed to know—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "wo working men, and that the number of Unionists remained 16 as before. Now, these figures are utterly and wholly incorrect. [ Cries of \"Order!\"] I suppose I may be presumed to know—[ Cries of \"No!\"]—something more about a borough with which I have been politically connected for seven years than the right hon. Gentleman, who, so far as I know, has never set foot in the constituency. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "CURZON And who, when I ask him for the source of the information upon which he based his statement, declines to give it to me. The statement which I made as to the numbers is correct. I pledge my word to it. I am prepared, if the right hon. Gentleman wishes me to do so, to hand to him not only the numbers but the names. But I am in a position to give the House a little information upon the point. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " This is altogether unusual. The hon. Member will give what his version is of the state of the Borough Bench at Southport, and I have no doubt the House will believe that that is a perfectly bonâ fide statement on the part of the hon. Gentleman. *MR. CURZON Well, Sir, I thought I had given my statement as to the numerical condition of the Bench, and I was proposing, when you interrupted me—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\" and \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "umerical condition of the Bench, and I was proposing, when you interrupted me—[ Cries of \"Order!\"]—when you called me to Order — I speak with perfect deference to your ruling—to point out to the House the method by which the right hon. Gentleman had arrived at his figures—[\"Order!\"]—but if that is out of Order I shall not persist. I shall, therefore, briefly reiterate my statements. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " of \"No!\" and \"Order!\"] I do not know why I am subjected to these interruptions. My statement is that the figures which I put before the House on Tuesday last—namely, the proportions of 19, 2, and 11, are correct; that I am prepared to hand the names to the right hon. Gentleman; and that until he is able to substantiate his counter figures by some argument better than more assertion—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "entleman; and that until he is able to substantiate his counter figures by some argument better than more assertion—[ Cries of \"Order!\"]—I have a right to think that my case has not been answered. § *THE CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER (Mr. BRYCE,) Aberdeen, S. I am at a loss to understand the extraordinary heat and vehemence which the hon. Member has imported into this question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/apr/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/apr/28/the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "section": "the-southport-bench-personal-explanations", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!", "preceding_text": " The hon. Member no doubt relies on the information supplied to him, and I am obliged to rely on the information supplied to me. All I can say is, that I have done my very best to obtain the fullest possible information. *MR. CURZON Give me the names. § *MR BRYCE I ought also to add that in view of this extraordinary series of appointments during these six years, what the political character—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/16/consideration-eighth-night", "section": "consideration-eighth-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "Irish Members, Ireland became subservient to the Imperial Parliament, but, by retaining them, they merely transferred the servitude to Great Britain. It was impossible for them to suppose that they could have Ireland in command of these prerogatives, competing with England, without having servitude. They would have 80 Irish Members to come to the rescue. Great Britain would be subject to Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/16/consideration-eighth-night", "section": "consideration-eighth-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order, order—!\"", "preceding_text": "t had never been before the country, and that its provisions had been studiously concealed from the constituencies by the right hon. Gentleman and his colleagues. The country, therefore, had not had an opportunity of con- 350 sidering the alternative now presented to the House. He was happy to think that the country was now beginning to understand, as the result of the election at Hereford showed—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/16/consideration-eighth-night", "section": "consideration-eighth-night", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "r for Preston (Mr. Hanbury) that a crushing blow would be dealt to English industry if this question were handed over to an Irish Legislature. He could say, as an Irish Representative of labour, that he was intimately acquainted with the cotton factory operatives of Lancashire, and in every district with which he was acquainted they hoped that this question would be left to the Irish Legislature. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/wages-for-government-labour", "section": "wages-for-government-labour", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "There was no letterpress in the document; it was purely statistical. It was not of the nature suggested, and was prepared for use at a private meeting of the Cabinet. § MR. DARLING Does the right hon. Gentleman intend to suggest that Mr. Sidney Webb did not see the Report from which he quoted? § MR. MUNDELLA I made no such suggestion; but I should like to ask the hon. and learned Member—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "torney General? § THE SOLICITOR GENERAL (Sir J. RIGBY,) Forfar said, he did not rise to engage in the discussion. He had merely to say that every word that had been uttered by the Attorney General with regard to the point at issue had his entire concurrence, and he had no doubt that what the Attorney General had said expressed the real state of the law. § MR. COURTNEY (Cornwall, Bodmin) "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" from the Opposition Benches.", "preceding_text": "ches made in the preceding Debate, made for the most part by the same hon. Members and raising the same objections; and he really could not realise, and he did not think the House could realise, what danger was apprehended. Was the danger apprehended that the Irish Legislative Body was going to do something to outrage the consciences and interfere with the civil rights of the Protestant minority? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "MR. W. E. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "nt in the hands of gentlemen who until recently have always been opposed to the power of England; and, therefore, any collision which takes place between this Parliament and the Irish Legislature must be a collision produced by hon. Gentlemen sitting below the Gangway, who will constitute the majority. Does the Prime Minister think he can appeal to a minority whom he and his friends had betrayed? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\" \"Hear, hear!\" and interruption I am coming to the point. Will anybody deny——[ Renewed cries of \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "of the British Army. They are not to legislate on the subject, 490 but they are to be allowed to pass Resolutions. Have right hon. and hon. Gentlemen ever heard of the unwritten law of the Land League? It is not remote in point of date, but there are some memories so conveniently constructed that they can forget what happened yesterday. The unwritten law of the Land League was in force in Ireland—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "Cheers and laughter.", "preceding_text": "t, remembering the speeches of the Prime Minister supporting the theory of a distinct Irish nationality, than to propose by Resolution—if I were an Irish Nationalist, I would suggest it—that whilst Ireland is ready to contribute towards the expenses of the Imperial Army, she requires as a prior condition that the only regiments quartered in Ireland should be regiments which are raised in Ireland? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/17/consideration-ninth-night", "section": "consideration-ninth-night", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "on which he has suggested might he passed were not assented to here, but were repudiated by the Imperial Ministry—and properly repudiated—would it not be easy for the Irish Parliament to propose another declaring that, inasmuch as the English Government declined to assent to this idea of the union of hearts, any man enlisting in an Irish regiment for Imperial purposes was an enemy of his country? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Opposition cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " Ireland. Since 1886 a good deal has happened. 1596 Since that date we have had announced to us by the Party opposite the policy of permanent exceptional repressive legislation. For the first time we have had on the Statute Book in a permanent form an exceptional repressive measure, which is, if the will of right hon. Gentlemen opposite prevail, to endure for ever. That policy, I contend, failed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\" and Opposition laughter", "preceding_text": "le of the Bill of 1886—namely, the creation of a Legislative Body to deal with Irish affairs—was the principle by which the Liberal Party stood, and to which they would give effect at the next General Election? I do not think that many people will agree with the suggestion that this question was not before the country, and was not fully considered upon every platform where politics were discussed—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers .", "preceding_text": "l\"; that the hon. and gallant Member for North Armagh said—\"We will not touch an Amendment of the Bill\"; that the right hon. Gentleman the Senior Member for the University of Dublin said—\"We will discuss the Bill to make it more detestable,\" and that the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition more cautiously said— We may move Amendments to the Bill, but we will try to destroy the Bill. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cheers .", "preceding_text": "en sharpening their wits in exposing that provision, or any provision on those lines. I admit, and I again concur with what the right hon. Member for Bodmin said, that inclusion for limited purposes would have gone no nearer to conciliate opposition than the clause as it stands. [Mr. COURTNEY: Both are bad.] I wish to point out that that means that you are unwilling to recognise Home Rule at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "A laugh .", "preceding_text": "n 1800 they had to get the consent of two Legislatures, of the British Legislature on the one side and the Irish Legislature on the other. Therefore, when they were going to a certain extent to modify that Union, when they were altering the principles of that Union, why should not the bodies in that Union be restricted to their constituent elements, and the voice of the British majority be taken? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "licit faith in hon. Gentlemen below the Gangway opposite. But he (Mr. Kenny) would ask were they not; were they not entitled to look back upon the speeches of hon. Gentlemen opposite, both in and out of the House; were they not entitled to consider what they had done in the past; and, above all, were they justified in dismissing from their minds the finding of a judicial tribunal of this country? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ad been made in the House by the Prime Minister to the Irish Members, and he (Mr. Kenny) wished to know what had become of those promises? In his speech on the Address in August last, the Prime Minister said the Crimes Act of 1887 should not be retained on the Statute Book longer than the condition of Parliamentary time required. They had had a good deal of Parliamentary time wasted in this House—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "cy of England? In the days of the Chartist agitation and in the days of the Reform Bill the Tory gentlemen of England who are now trying to stand between the people of Ireland and their liberty levelled against their own countrymen language as foul and dishonouring and as unjust as anything that has been heard from the Tory Benches in this House during these Debates against the people of Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "ply this: that the evils and the misery which have existed in connection with the relations between England and Ireland are to be sought in the action and machinations of the propertied classes of this country. The fact is, that for many a long year there has been built up between the people of England and Ireland a wall which was reared and constructed by the selfish monopolists of this country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "a laugh", "preceding_text": "e peoples of the two countries. Let the Lords do what they think fit with the Bill. We, for our part, will advance into the future with confidence and with hope, knowing that for the first time in the history of these countries the millions of our race, whether they live in Ireland, or whether, by oppressive and unjust laws, they have gone to other lands, where they have flourished and multiplied—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "bution of Seats Bill without discussion, and a pretty mess they had made of it! He did not think the Chief Secretary was responsible for that Schedule; he did not know sufficient of Ireland to have drawn it up. The Schedule was supplied by the ready-made department on the other side; it was merely handed to Her Majesty's Government, and it stood as their eternal disgrace. § MR. SEXTON "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "hey knew? Was there not such a thing as a mechanical majority in the Liberal Party? Was not the Prime Minister ready to lead them to the merciless slaughter of free speech, and free speech not upon a Bill to put down crime, but upon a Bill to create a new Constitution for Great Britain and Ireland? The Government would not be able to convince this country that they had not gagged free discussion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/aug/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/aug/31/third-reading-second-night", "section": "third-reading-second-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "rime. Hon. Members sitting upon the Benches opposite helped to found the Land League, controlled and organised it, and that was a League which paid for the commission of crime out of the funds of the League. [\"No, no!\"] Hon. Members who say \"No, no.!\" are ignorant of the facts which have been proved and established by documents written in the names of the Leaders of the Land League. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/dec/13", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/dec/13/east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "section": "east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "overnment which led up to it, both as regards the cessation of drafts, and as to the recent currency changes. My right hon. Friend who has just sat down has gone at some length— not too long—into the difficulties which the Indian Government may find themselves in if the course of trade is not that which they anticipate. The Government are really having a gigantic speculation—a \"corner\" in silver. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/dec/13", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/dec/13/east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "section": "east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ht hon. Gentleman the Member for Surrey stated that this was a permanent loan, the Chancellor of the Exchequer at Once rose and corrected him, and said it was only a temporary expedient, because the Government were confident that they would be able to sell enough Council bills in the next few months, not only to make up the usual amount, but also to make good the deficiency which has taken place. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/dec/13", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/dec/13/east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "section": "east-india-loan-lb10000000-bill-no-475", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " Duty at 10 per cent. would bring in something not very far from £ 1,000,000 sterling, while a duty of 5 per cent. would, of course, produce half that amount. But that would not be the whole effect it would have, because the exchange would be seriously affected. Perhaps I may be told that if there had been an Import Duty on silver there would not have been so large an import of silver into India. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/the-marlborough-street-training-college", "section": "the-marlborough-street-training-college", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "s the hon. Member indicates, that I could do otherwise than I have said. § MR. T. W. RUSSELL Inasmuch as copies of the evidence taken at the investigation are to be had, will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to lay one on the Table, so that it may be used in discussing this matter on the Vote on Account? I want the evidence regarding the moral character of this man whom it is proposed—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/the-compilation-of-irish-police", "section": "the-compilation-of-irish-police", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Notice!\"", "preceding_text": "e Return. I cannot say whether the hon. Member is correct as to the other quotations from the Police Code. § MR. CARSON I can tell you I am. For what purpose does the Code direct outrages to be returned to the Judge unless for the purpose of drawing attention to them? and may I ask whether it is the practice in England under any Code to lay outrages before the Judge of Assize? May I also ask—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/the-compilation-of-irish-police", "section": "the-compilation-of-irish-police", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "ack the Judges. MR. J.MORLEY If the hon. Member will be good enough to put these questions on the Paper, I will give him the best answer I can. As for the attack on the Judges, what I have done has been to give a simple account of the matter; and if that simple account conveys in itself an attack on the Judges, it is due to what they themselves have said. § MR. CARSON A most cowardly attack. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/committee-progress-19th-july", "section": "committee-progress-19th-july", "cue_text": "Nationalist cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "ce than an ordinary local force. In lending, however, it is exactly the same as any other local police force in the country. § MR. A. J. BALFOUR No doubt it is a matter of considerable anxiety to Irish Members what course the Opposition will take, because if we vote for the Amendment hon. Members below the Gangway will have to find some means of abstaining from supporting their own proposal. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/committee-progress-19th-july", "section": "committee-progress-19th-july", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "he hon. Member for North Kerry had in view in demanding this Central Police Force was to enable him and his Colleagues to coerce the Province of Ulster. The hon. Member knew perfectly well that if ever this Bill became law the Ulster people would not submit easily to the new form of Government that was being forced upon them against the votes of the freely-chosen Representatives of that Province. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jul/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jul/20/committee-progress-19th-july", "section": "committee-progress-19th-july", "cue_text": "Ministerial laughter.", "preceding_text": "n below the Gangway would be absolutely destructive to the liberties of Irishmen outside Ulster. What would the Prime Minister say if an English, Scotch, or Welsh Member got up in the House and said it was his intention when opportunity served to disorganise the British Police? Yet these were the very words used by the hon. Member for Mayo in America in 1880 with regard to the Irish Constabulary. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/12/committee-progress-9th-june", "section": "committee-progress-9th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Yes!\"", "preceding_text": "is a most astounding statement as coming from the right hon. Gentleman. The interests of the shareholders are not the same as the interests of the community. The right hon. Gentleman says they carried out part of his policy. Part of his policy was to request them to publish their accounts. He did not even make that compulsory. They have published their accounts, but have increased their reserves? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/12/committee-progress-9th-june", "section": "committee-progress-9th-june", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "still another who would propose to prevent the Irish Parliament from dealing with pens and envelopes. He must take the right hon. Gentleman's repudiation of any intention of insulting the Irish Members with a grain of salt. What the Member for London University and what the right hon. Gentleman on the Front Opposition Bench meant was that the Irish people were not fit to manage their own affairs. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/12/committee-progress-9th-june", "section": "committee-progress-9th-june", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\" and cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " then stamps would fall within the Imperial revenue; but if she was to be treated as an independent colony and dependency of Great Britain, she would have her own Stamp Acts. § * THE SOLICITOR GENERAL (Sir J. RIGBY,) Forfar In answer to the hon. Gentleman, I have to say that there is no doubt at all that Ireland is not to be a foreign country. Ireland is to remain part of the United Kingdom. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/12/committee-progress-9th-june", "section": "committee-progress-9th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "lature and what legislation was confined to the Imperial Parliament. § MR. LOUGH (Islington, W.) thought that what was wanted in the discussion was a little practical experience. At present bills were drawn in Loudon upon Ireland, and it appeared to be the opinion of some hon. Members that to get these 818 bills paid it was necessary to issue a writ in London and have it executed in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/12/committee-progress-9th-june", "section": "committee-progress-9th-june", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "sing the law dealing with copyright was altered, the effect of that alteration, so far as the Irish Legislature was concerned, would be kept in view. If the Act was abolished or modified by some operation of this Parliament, full liberty would be given to the Irish Parliament, and great and permanent injury might be done to our manufactures. This was not a minor question. It was a gigantic issue. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "would accept it. He had, however, no reason to suppose that the Government would assent to it. He quite recognised that the matter had been fully discussed, and that the Committee saw the very grave danger that would arise under the Bill in its present form. With the leave of the Committee he was prepared to withdraw the Amendment. THE CHAIRMAN Is it your pleasure that the Amendment be withdrawn? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "he Prime Minister either to admit that we were not living in the best of times or else to exercise the greatest jealousy before he conferred this power upon the Irish Legislature, enabling the Irish Legislature to declare that to be a crime which in reality was no crime at all. He appealed to Scotch Members to remember the times when 1032 To be a Scot was treason and, to side with Wallace, crime. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Agreed!\" \"Divide! divide!\" and \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": ", but shall not have the right of sitting on the trial of Peers. Bills of attainder had been very frequently preceded by articles of impeachment exhibited in this House, and upon the exhibition of such articles the representative Irish Peers had the right to sit and vote, and all the Irish Peers, whether representative or not, had the right to be represented and to be tried by the House of Lords. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Go on!\"", "preceding_text": "s Parliament had done? There was no provision in the Bill to prevent them from exhibiting articles of impeachment. There was nothing in the Bill to say that impeachment should be forbidden to them as a Legislature, and that they should, by exhibiting articles of impeachment, be able to interfere with rights which were supposed to be safeguarded by the Act of Union was a thing not to be tolerated. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "m of wager of battle, and a great many other things of a like kind. But I really do not desire to give the Amendment an importance which I do not think belongs to it. There is a provision in the Bill which is adequate to meet the objection raised by the Amendment, and that is Sub-section 5, which provides that nobody shall be deprived of life, liberty, or 1035 property without due process of law. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/jun/14", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/jun/14/commityee-progress-13th-june", "section": "commityee-progress-13th-june", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": " is the only person who is going into the streets to fight against the Irish Government. But I do not think that even that danger is imminent. It is extremely improbable that the Irish Legislature would ever think of resorting to such a process. Even if it did the Committee should not put the enactment in the Bill, seeing that there is already a means of dealing with such cases— namely, the veto. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/sitting-of-the-house-thursday", "section": "sitting-of-the-house-thursday", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "right hon. Gentleman said he was not going to make any attempt whatever to answer what he called the nine-tenths of the speech of my right hon. Friend. I think he exercised a very wise discretion. He would have found it uncommonly difficult to do so. I think the proceedings of yesterday afternoon constituted one of the grossest scandals upon the constitutional privileges of Members of this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/sitting-of-the-house-thursday", "section": "sitting-of-the-house-thursday", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order! \"", "preceding_text": "cretion. He would have found it uncommonly difficult to do so. I think the proceedings of yesterday afternoon constituted one of the grossest scandals upon the constitutional privileges of Members of this House. [ Laughter. ] Yes, Sir, and if the right hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone was in conversation with Mr. Marjoribanks) will allow me to interrupt that agreeable conversation which he is having—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "e 20th September, 1886, Mr. Parnell made use of the following words:— I think we have a right to say that the Irish tenants shall not be left defenceless and at the mercy of the landlords during the coming winter. They were not left defenceless. My hon. Friends, the Members for East Mayo and for Cork City, were not yet imprisoned by the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " would have been seen on which side was the embezzlement. No great combination ever entered into by men for their 1419 own protection, and for the redress of grievances has been wholly immaculate. The Plan of Campaign might not have been wholly immaculate; but it was not the tenants who took part in that combination, nor those who acted as their leaders throughout the struggle, who were to blame. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "y to start the Plan of Campaign to protect the tenants. It had been said that the Plan of Campaign was not justified by the agricultural depression of the time. He would defy any man to read the evidence 1426 given by the tenants before the Mathew Commission, proving by facts and figures their statements, and not to come to the conclusion that the depression which prevailed was grave and serious. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: You said that.", "preceding_text": " made three Speeches, desired to make any further comments on the Bill, they invited them now to put forward the speaker who they intended should close the Debate. MR. J. MORLEY I may have been misunderstood. My right hon. Friends near me say that my statement is capable of being misunderstood—that we have promised to take up the Bill the moment the Second Beading of the Home Rule Bill is passed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": " look to the hon. Member for the maintenance of social order in Ireland. If such threats are to be made at all, they ought to have been uttered by the Chief Secretary, who is responsible for order in Ireland. Though we understand that the Government desire to govern Ireland according to Irish ideas, I do not think they will accept the Irish idea which has just been put forward by the hon. Member. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Interruption below the Gangway.", "preceding_text": " to Order and endeavouring to assist Mr. Speaker in his duties, ask whether we are in Order in alluding to that evidence. Are we not justified in examining that evidence to see how far it bears out the vicious proposals which the right hon. Gentleman has made? Then the right hon. Gentleman not unnaturally spoke of the inroad that this proposal, as it stands, might make upon the Irish Church fund. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/second-reading", "section": "second-reading", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide.\"", "preceding_text": ". Gentleman not unnaturally spoke of the inroad that this proposal, as it stands, might make upon the Irish Church fund. [ Interruption below the Gangway. ] I think the Chief Secretary is bound to listen to these observations. There is no hurry. Looking to the facts I have mentioned I do not believe it will be proposed by the right hon. Gentleman that this debate should now be brought to a close. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Cries of \" No! \"", "preceding_text": "shorten the Easter holidays so that during the brief recess there could be no discussion 1469 of the Home Rule Bill . To a certain extent they had effected their purpose. Although Easter was this year unusually early, the Vote on Account had been put down this year at a later period than at any time during the last ten years. Again, the Vote on Account had generally been discussed for three days. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "o-thirds of the time available. The Government were not even satisfied with that, but the Prime Minister himself wasted at least a quarter of an hour which might otherwise have been devoted to discussion, and with that tyrannical spirit which he was exhibiting—which made one begin to wonder whether it was of any use Parliament sitting at all— and with the subservient creatures he had at his back— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Name\" and \"Withdraw \"", "preceding_text": "discussion, and with that tyrannical spirit which he was exhibiting—which made one begin to wonder whether it was of any use Parliament sitting at all— and with the subservient creatures he had at his back— [ Cries of \"Order!\"] § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE I rise to Order, Sir. I wish to know whether the hon. Gentleman is entitled to call Members sitting on thus side \"subservient creatures\"? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/mar/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/mar/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "irit, and if Christianity was not played out, let them cultivate and exercise one of its leading principles— do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you. § MR. SCHWANN said he proposed to move a reduction of £100 in reference to the road tax in Ceylon. § MR. T. W. RUSSELL pointed out that a Motion for reduction had already been moved by the hon. Member for Inverness-shire. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Mr. GLADSTONE: Hear, hear!", "preceding_text": "o the Nationalist Members) do not want any discussion at all to take place upon the Bill. I quite understand that hon. Members on this side, too, would like to ram it down our throats. Well, let them try. We were told at the former stages to wait till we got into Committee to discuss the details of the Bill, and we are going to discuss them—and discuss them thoroughly—until you put the gag on us. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Opposition Cries of \"What clause?\" and \"We can't hear!\"", "preceding_text": "y and thorny clause, by making it entirely dependent upon the adoption of this 1st clause which my right hon. Friend seeks to put aside. But we pursue what we think is the rational course, and the course agreeable to common sense, in putting into the first line of the Bill the main object of the Bill, upon which every other clause of the Bill is based. What can be more vital than the Veto Clause? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "nister did not say that this principle was a vital principle; he merely said it was an important and organic detail of the Bill, and they were entitled to know what an organic detail was, and what a vital principle was. It was impossible to 359 discuss the previous clauses of the Bill until they had a direct answer upon the questions put by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "possible to 359 discuss the previous clauses of the Bill until they had a direct answer upon the questions put by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham. [ Cries of \"Divide!\"] MR. JAMES LOWTHER (Kent, Thanet) I rise to a point of Order. I wish, Mr. Mellor, to call your attention to the fact that the hon. and learned Member for Louth is interrupting and organising disorder. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "at is not an uncommon expression in this 360 House. It may not be disorderly. It depends altogether in the manner in it is done. I think it is a very slight foundation on which to make a charge of that kind. MR. JAMES LOWTHER The reason I made the statement—and I now repeat it—is because Members upon this side of the House during the present Session have been repeatedly subjected to interruption. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "More cries of \"Order! \"", "preceding_text": "n it is done. I think it is a very slight foundation on which to make a charge of that kind. MR. JAMES LOWTHER The reason I made the statement—and I now repeat it—is because Members upon this side of the House during the present Session have been repeatedly subjected to interruption. [ Cries of \"Order!\"] I have myself upon repeated occasions seen the hon. and learned Member for North Louth—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\" and \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "rder, and I appeal to the right hon. Gentleman's experience. I will do my best to preserve order in this Committee; but in order to do that I must rely upon the assistance of Members in all parts of the House. I think this question ought now to terminate. § MR. PARKER SMITH said, that the heat which had been generated at this early period of the Committee did not seem to him the best augury. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "on me; but he complains of the absolute impossibility of getting at any knowledge of my intentions. It is the understood privilege of the entire Opposition to expose my unfortunate incapacity to make intelligible anything I have to say. The hon. Member has made a proposal to us, but his argument goes much beyond it. His general argument is that in such a matter as the supremacy we ought to enact. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\" \"Chair!\" and cheers.", "preceding_text": " to be excluded, hung the meaning and authority of Clauses 1 and 2. Clause 1 proposed to set up a Parliament in Ireland which was supposed to be a subordinate Parliament. If the Irish Members were retained at Westminster in their present number, there certainly would be a subordinate Parliament, but it would not be the Irish Parliament. The Imperial Parliament would be the subordinate Parliament. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "\"Chair!\" and cheers. ] Gentlemen called \"Order!\" but this was a question of supremacy, and it was impossible to discuss a clause dealing with Parliamentary supremacy without taking into consideration the clause which would materially affect the question whether the Imperial Parliament should be supreme or subordinate. If, therefore, Clause 9 was changed, as they supposed it would be—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "t out the impossibility of discussing adequately the supremacy of Parliament without taking into consideration a clause which must absolutely affect that supremacy. As far as that clause was concerned, the Prime Minister had given the Committee absolutely no information. Would the right hon. Gentleman tell the Committee what amount of elasticity he would display when it came to consider Clause 9? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "rty—conducted by Lord \"Cook.\" However, the right hon. Gentleman's followers might feel, with regard to this. Amendment or with regard to the clauses which followed if the right hon. Gentleman showed his determination to stick by the clause no matter how they objected, they would adhere to it. They 375 had a new policy presented by the Prime Minister and his followers had now indented a new \"ism.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "r with regard to the clauses which followed if the right hon. Gentleman showed his determination to stick by the clause no matter how they objected, they would adhere to it. They 375 had a new policy presented by the Prime Minister and his followers had now indented a new \"ism.\" [ Cries of \"Question!\"] They had Protestantism, Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, and now they had Grand Old Manism. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "se, but to the Preamble for a key to the Statute. As to the appeal of my right hon. Friend (Sir H. James), what I have to say is that if a clause bearing in express terms upon the supremacy is placed upon the Paper, when the time comes for the discussion of that clause—which, I may remark, is not now, but when the new clauses come to be considered—the Government will carefully consider its terms. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Ministerial cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "he only people who do not know the future intentions of the Government? I think my right hon. Friend will find he has made a mistake in not saying yes or no to the simple question I asked him whether or not he adheres to Clause 9. I think some of my hon. Friends behind him, when they note his persistent silence, must have some qualms of conscience as to the position into which they are to be led. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: This is a Preamble to a clause.", "preceding_text": "er for Bury (Sir Henry James) very properly said, the Act would have to be construed by gentlemen who were not lawyers— assume an Act like that passed, and a Petty Sessions Court called upon to decide the legitimacy of the children of such marriages, could anyone imagine that a statement in the Preamble of the Act would have as much effect on the Petty Sessional Court as a direct Enacting Clause. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Agreed!", "preceding_text": "ee ought to be able to come to a judgment on an issue like that very easily. The Debate had taken place to-night in a House in which there was scarcely a Member on those (the Ministerial) Benches but was pledged up to the chin to the supremacy of Parliament. If there was one thing more than another English Members pledged themselves to their constituencies upon it was the supremacy of Parliament. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"; \"Chair!\"; \"Shame!\"; \"Scandalous!\"", "preceding_text": "l now hear a few words, giving clear information upon this point, from my hon. and learned Friend the Solicitor General (Sir J. Rigby). There were loud cries of \"Rigby\" on Mr. Courtney resuming his seat, but as Sir John Rigby did not rise several Members of the Opposition sought to address the Committee. § MR. J. MORLEY, at 9.55, said: I beg to move, Mr. Mellor, that the Question be now put, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "he House I am not speaking my own mind alone. I am representing, I am certain, from what I have heard from communications which have taken place between the general body of the Unionist Party during the opportunity which the right hon. Gentleman has given us, the opinion of that Party. It is evident, from the attitude of the Unionist Party, that this is a Motion which is going to be persisted in. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Yes!\"", "preceding_text": "may be placed before us—— § LORD R. CHURCHILL By moving the Closure at a quarter to 10. § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE The Amendment contains a proposal which we think is altogether a bad and dangerous method of attempting to secure the supremacy—a method which does not secure it, but weakens it. Have we attempted by silence to bear down the proposal of the hon. and learned Member (Mr. Darling)? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "ings of the worm, one might find that there was considerable excitement there. My right hon. Friend considers that our excitement or our feeling is altogether unreasonable, and he com- 418 plains of the noble Lord for moving to report Progress. He says this is a very important Bill, and he does not see why the discussion on it should be stopped. That is precisely the point which we wish to raise. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "tu quoque is not in any way applicable. The last argument he used was to the effect that he should be justified in the future in putting the Closure upon us because he has been supported on the present occasion by majorities larger than his normal Party majority. Does the right hon. Gentleman mean to say by that that Members of the Unionist Party have differed from their Party and voted with him? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/committee-first-night", "section": "committee-first-night", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No, no!\" and \"How much?\"", "preceding_text": "n the same sense as the right hon. Gentleman. § MR W. E. GLADSTONE I do not know whether I am in full possession of the facts, because it is difficult to hear exactly what took place; but I understand that my right hon. Friend the Member for West Birmingham has spoken of the Irish Nationalist Members as having been \"squared.\" Upon that I understood the hon. Member to say —\"Would it take much—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/sittings-of-the-house-derby-day", "section": "sittings-of-the-house-derby-day", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" and \"Name!\"", "preceding_text": "y vocation. The matter was apparently such au everyday occurrence that nobody took any notice of it. Now he saw the bookmaker doing a little business, as he would have said, with au hon. Member of this House, and, strange to say, that hon. Member was not one of those thoughtless, stupid reactionaries—he was a Member of the Liberal Party, and now a distinguished Member of Her Majesty's Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/sittings-of-the-house-derby-day", "section": "sittings-of-the-house-derby-day", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "so had done — namely, changed their minds, and been able to sec and vote in diametrically opposite ways. The hon. Member who opposed this Motion seemed to him to put the whole case in a nutshell. He apparently looked upon the noble Lord the Member for Ipswich as a sort of standpoint by which the House should go, so that whatever way the noble Lord spoke and voted the House ought at once to follow "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "hey are to morrow. If that statement meant anything at all it meant that he was in a position to find out who the culprits were, and that he refrained from doing so. That statement he called monstrous. 1634 § *MR. ARNOLD-FORSTER said, that he was obliged to the hon. Member for so correctly stating his views, and he was willing to believe that the hon. Member did not know the names of the men "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Ask him yourself!\"", "preceding_text": "ed from doing so. That statement he called monstrous. 1634 § *MR. ARNOLD-FORSTER said, that he was obliged to the hon. Member for so correctly stating his views, and he was willing to believe that the hon. Member did not know the names of the men [ cries of \"Oh!\"], but he asserted that the hon. Member could ascertain the names in five minutes. Let him ask the Chief Secretary for them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "Cries of \"The names!\" and \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "e men [ cries of \"Oh!\"], but he asserted that the hon. Member could ascertain the names in five minutes. Let him ask the Chief Secretary for them. [ Cries of \"Ask him yourself!\"] The right hon. Gentleman, in answer to a question, said that the names of the men were notorious and known to the police. If the Chief Secretary would not give the names to the hon. Member he would himself. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "hon. Gentleman, in his answer, said that these men were known; and he challenged the right hon. Gentleman to say that he could not, within two minutes after arriving at Dublin Castle, that he could not at the Irish Office— that he could not now, after two minutes' conversation with him (Mr. Arnold-Forster)—discover who the men were. Mr. Bindon Blood was living under the most damnable persecution. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "e very glad himself to try to put the hon. Member on the track. Hon. Members seemed to be unaware of a notorious fact —namely, that scores and scores of these men, who were perpetrators and abettors of crime, were perfectly well known to the police; but that it was difficult to get evidence on which to convict them, because witnesses and jurors had been openly threatened by hon. Members opposite. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/08", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/08/further-vote-on-account", "section": "further-vote-on-account", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ores and scores of these men, who were perpetrators and abettors of crime, were perfectly well known to the police; but that it was difficult to get evidence on which to convict them, because witnesses and jurors had been openly threatened by hon. Members opposite. [ Cries of \"Oh!\"] He repeated his challenge, and he asked every hon. Member in that House whether he did not feel in his heart—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/the-clogher-portadown-post-office", "section": "the-clogher-portadown-post-office", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "Y said, that instructions had been sent to the postmistress to suspend the senior assistant, who was her daughter. The order had been put into effect. He would ascertain whether there was any necessity for further inquiry. § *MR. T. W. RUSSELL pointed out that this suspension of the senior assistant amounted to the dismissal of the postmistress, for she could not afford to keep an assistant. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "Irish laughter.", "preceding_text": "ntry. That coercion he held to have been the coercion of crime and the coercion of lawlessness. But what kind of coercion will they have in Ulster? They would not have to coerce crime, or to coerce lawlessness; but they would have to coerce the majority of a Province simply because of their passionate loyalty to the 798 Empire, and because of their determination not to be thrust outside its pale, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "An hon. Member on the Irish Benches interjected a remark which did not reach the Reporters' Gallery.", "preceding_text": "d how these hon. Members had resisted the insertion in the clause of words directly bearing on the supremacy of this Parliament. The object of the Amendment, to have the word \"subordinate\" inserted in the clause, was to make the supremacy of the Imperial Parliament effective. He admitted that with the Bill as it stood, it mattered little whether \"supremacy\" was put in the Preamble or in a clause. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "rpose of saying so. THE CHAIRMAN I express my regret that I did not catch the words used with regard to the hon. Member for North Kerry (Mr. Sexton). I think the hon. Member for South Antrim (Mr. Macartney) has taken the proper and only course open to him. That being the case, this matter must terminate, and I call upon Mr. Russell. § MR. HARRINGTON On a point of Order, I should like to ask— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "he Prime Minister— Those who have been associated with the oppressors are down to this moment the first in claiming for themselves an 'unbridled licence.' What licence did they claim in Ireland? They claimed the licence of belonging to the Empire and of living under the authority of Imperial law; but they claimed no liberty for themselves which they were not willing to confer on their neighbours. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Go on!\"", "preceding_text": "f the Prime Minister were, when the time came, to use his power and authority with the Ministry in order to 825 force upon his supporters the expediency of a particular solution of that question, after that unlimited promise and pledge, he should regard the transaction as a breach of faith, and he should not be prepared to acquiesce in it. He did not wish to trespass on the time of the Committee. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": ".\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "ent proposed, in page 1, line 14, to leave out all the words from the beginning of the Clause to the word \"there,\" in line 15.—( Mr. Cavendish. ) § Question proposed, \"That the words 'with the exceptions' stand part of the Clause.\" 835 § MR. MACARTNEY moved to report Progress, for the purpose of calling attention to the conduct of the Government in moving the Closure on the last clause. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/committee-progress-11th-may", "section": "committee-progress-11th-may", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "5 § MR. MACARTNEY moved to report Progress, for the purpose of calling attention to the conduct of the Government in moving the Closure on the last clause. [.\"Order, order!\"] THE CHAIRMAN The Closure being the act of the Committee, it cannot be called in question. § MR. MACARTNEY would only then express a hope that in the future conduct of Debates on this Bill the Chief Secretary—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " because I believe it is a great means of saving life. I would ask the attention of the House to a few figures in connection with this contention. We have means of obtaining a fair and approximate knowledge of the ravages of small-pox before vaccination was invented and practised. It is calculated that before the use of vaccine smallpox killed in London about 3,000 per 1,000,000 of living people. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/12/resolution", "section": "resolution", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ace between them is vastly greater than was 856 the case in olden times. Therefore, if the same condition of things existed, we might expect an infinitely greater mortality from small-pox now than we had in pre-vaccination years. It may be said that sanitation has improved, and I admit that it has; but I say that sanitation has had nothing whatever, or comparatively little, to do with the matter. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS: Paupers.", "preceding_text": "rman immigrants in Ireland. § MR. BRODRICK Foreign immigrants. § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE The hon. Member will recollect that during the present Session a Debate was raised in this House in the interest of the protection of native labour for the purpose of promoting legislation in restraint, if not of the importation, yet of the existence and employment of foreign immigrants in this country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: Why?", "preceding_text": "quently hon. Members found great difficulty in hearing him; and perhaps it was for that reason that he had made a mistake. But what was the real point here? The real position of the Government was this. They looked at the future of the Irish Parliament with perfect confidence. They (the Unionists) did not. The Government were prepared to trust hon. Members opposite. They (the Unionists) were not. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "ommittee would not forget that the Bill provided that in county after county the representation, which was now a Loyalist representation, would be interfered with. In one case 15,000 persons would return five Members to support the Party to which the hon. Member belonged, while 36,000 persons would only be able to return five Members to support the Party to which he (Mr. Arnold-Forster) belonged. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \" Order!\"", "preceding_text": "d control the Irish Government! As to the misuse of the ability of the Irish Members, he would remind them of the ability displayed at Tipperary; if the same extravagance wore shown in the Irish Legislature it would soon lead to the bankruptcy of the Irish Exchequer. They had also seen how this ability had been exercised in commercial life. There was the spectacle of The Freeman's Journal. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "soon lead to the bankruptcy of the Irish Exchequer. They had also seen how this ability had been exercised in commercial life. There was the spectacle of The Freeman's Journal. [ Cries of \" Order!\"] THE CHAIRMAN asked the hon. Member to confine himself to the Amendment. § MR. MACARTNEY said, he was only giving an instance of the spirit in which an Irish Legislature would be conducted. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_text": "t previously taken part in the proceedings of the Committee, and he thought English Members had as much right to be heard as the Irish, for they had just as great an interest in the matter. It was refreshing to hear a Member of the Gladstonian Party suggesting, as the hon. Member for Cardiff (Sir E. J. Reed) had suggested, however timidly, the right of private judgment. Most of the Party opposite—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \" Question!\" and \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "ight to be heard as the Irish, for they had just as great an interest in the matter. It was refreshing to hear a Member of the Gladstonian Party suggesting, as the hon. Member for Cardiff (Sir E. J. Reed) had suggested, however timidly, the right of private judgment. Most of the Party opposite—[ Interruption ] —had abandoned that right. The Government were not prepared to listen to any arguments. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Renewed interruption.", "preceding_text": " a Member of the Gladstonian Party suggesting, as the hon. Member for Cardiff (Sir E. J. Reed) had suggested, however timidly, the right of private judgment. Most of the Party opposite—[ Interruption ] —had abandoned that right. The Government were not prepared to listen to any arguments. [ Cries of \" Question!\" and \"Order!\"] They were entirely in the hands of their Irish followers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "abandoned that right. The Government were not prepared to listen to any arguments. [ Cries of \" Question!\" and \"Order!\"] They were entirely in the hands of their Irish followers. [ Renewed interruption. ] Unless there was an indication from the Irish Party that they were prepared to accept the Amendment, the hands of the Government were quite bound, and he offered them his sympathy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Renewed interruption.", "preceding_text": "!\"] Many hon. Members of the House had had to complain of those interruptions—even eminent Members. He had hoped that a new Member might not be subjected to them; but courtesy was a practice unknown on the Nationalist Benches. He said the Government was entirely in the hands of the Irish Members. Since the Prime Minister had decided to follow the Irish Party all argument was lost upon him. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": " Mover went to a Division he should certainly support the Amendment, because it would restrain the future action of the Irish Legislature; and with respect to that Legislature the Opposition had grounds of reasonable suspicion. The Government ought to understand what that meant, because a good many of their Irish supporters were imprisoned by the Prime Minister on grounds of reasonable suspicion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "\" Cries of Divide!\"", "preceding_text": "e action of the Irish Legislature; and with respect to that Legislature the Opposition had grounds of reasonable suspicion. The Government ought to understand what that meant, because a good many of their Irish supporters were imprisoned by the Prime Minister on grounds of reasonable suspicion. [ Interruption. ] THE CHAIRMAN It is absolutely necessary for the hon. Member to keep to the Amendment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "se a good many of their Irish supporters were imprisoned by the Prime Minister on grounds of reasonable suspicion. [ Interruption. ] THE CHAIRMAN It is absolutely necessary for the hon. Member to keep to the Amendment. [\" Cries of Divide!\"] 1079 § *MR. H. S. FOSTER said, that his reasonable suspicion was grounded on the action of the Irish Members both inside and outside of the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Question!\" and interruption.", "preceding_text": "y for the hon. Member to keep to the Amendment. [\" Cries of Divide!\"] 1079 § *MR. H. S. FOSTER said, that his reasonable suspicion was grounded on the action of the Irish Members both inside and outside of the House. [ Interruption. ] The hon. Member for Cardiff had told the Committee that as soon as he exercised the right of private judgment his Irish constituents flow at his throat. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and cries of \"Divide!\" and \"Question!\"", "preceding_text": "tee that as soon as he exercised the right of private judgment his Irish constituents flow at his throat. [ Cries of \"Question!\" and interruption. ] Was the conduct of the Irish Party in the House on this present Bill worthy of any deliberative Assembly? It was hardly possible for any opponent of the Bill to string two sentences together without perpetual interruption from the Irish Party. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "ide!\" and \"Question!\"] Were they not justified in coming to the conclusion that if the same men had power in Ireland they would show the same intolerance there as they did to their opponents in that House? No independent Member wanted better example of what an Irish Legislature would be like than to watch the action of the Irish Party towards their opponents in the House of Commons. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "ment against my Amendment? I hope he will not say—\"If we give you this Amendment, will you support the Bill?\" I think that would be a one-sided bargain. The price he offers me is not good enough. 1084 § MR. W. E. GLADSTONE I have not offered it. § *SIR HENRY JAMES I was asking him to be kind enough not to offer it. That was the offer he made to my right hon. Friend (Mr. J. Chamberlain). "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "\"Question!\" and cries of \"Go on!\"", "preceding_text": "ttle trap the Unionists were running into. The Government were proposing another paper guarantee. He could quite understand the pleasant tones of the Prime Minister and Chief Secretary. It was a sort of invitation to walk into my parlour; and the Government would be able, when doubt was expressed as to the supremacy of the Imperial Parliament, to point to these words as a proof of the explanation—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "nce of the money question—and our relations with the United States also indicated it. It was on that point that we lost America. The Northern States resisted the taxation by Great Britain, and Great. Britain gave up its power of taxation; but with that power it gave up its supremacy, and America acquired absolute independence. He wished to ask the Solicitor General his opinion on the 10th clause. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " with that power it gave up its supremacy, and America acquired absolute independence. He wished to ask the Solicitor General his opinion on the 10th clause. [\"Order, order!\"] *THE CHAIRMAN The hon. and learned Gentleman must not discuss the 10th clause. § MR. AMBROSE said, that he did not intend to discuss the clause, and, with all submission to the Chairman, he was within his right. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Renewed cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "er!\"] *THE CHAIRMAN The hon. and learned Gentleman must not discuss the 10th clause. § MR. AMBROSE said, that he did not intend to discuss the clause, and, with all submission to the Chairman, he was within his right. [ Cries of \"Order!\"] The point of Order was a matter be bad considered, and he maintained that he was within his right, because he was justifying his construction—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Why not agree\" from the Ministerial Benches.", "preceding_text": "going to do? The difference between the two sides of the House would appear to an uninstructed stranger as absolutely infinitesimal. The question before the Committee is whether the proposal made by my right hon. and learned Friend shall be put as a separate clause, between Clauses 2 and 3, or whether it shall be added as a Proviso to the 2nd clause? Can anyone conceive a smaller issue than that? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Opposition cries of Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "macy of Parliament was this—that if Home Rule were granted to Ireland, Ireland was to be allowed in her own Legislature, free from the interference— the stupid, meddlesome, and ignorant interference of that House, to manage her own affairs subject to this condition: that the Imperial Parliament had the power, which, in his belief, it could not divest itself of by any Act or any section of an Act. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/may/16", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/may/16/committee-progress-15th-may", "section": "committee-progress-15th-may", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "the hon. and learned Member for Waterford that the powers attaching to supremacy should never he used in Irish affairs. Oh! this spectacle of a united Party. They will not say what they mean by the supremacy of Parliament because they have not yet agreed upon the point themselves. Well, Sir, I have got a quotation from another article written by the hon. and learned Member at a later date. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/sep/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/sep/15/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " attached quite as much importance to it as Members attached to many political matters. It arose out of the bonâ fide traveller clause—or what the police and the Magistrates conceived to be the bonâ. fide traveller provision—of that Act. The general opinion in police circles was that if a man travelled three miles he was then entitled to have a drink as a bonâ fide traveller. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/sep/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/sep/15/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "arnham, three miles from the City of Dublin. The public-houses were closed there on Sunday. In the forenoon, when public-houses in Dublin were closed, the Dublin thirsty people went out to Rathfarnham and became bonâ fide travellers. § An hon. MEMBER: Where should they go? § MR. T. W. RUSSELL Then they came back to Dublin in the afternoon, when the Dublin public-houses were open. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/sep/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/sep/15/class-iv", "section": "class-iv", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " Whately never wrote or said anything of the sort. What he wrote was quite different—namely— If you were to make a law for lowering rents so that the landlord should not be allowed to receive more than so much an acre for it, the only effect of that would be that the landlord would no longer let his land to the farmer, but take it into his own hands, and employ a bailiff to look after it for him. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1893/sep/15", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1893/sep/15/class-iv", "section": "class-iv", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "pass without some reference to the Christian Brothers. § MR. SEXTON I referred to them. I think I indicated plainly enough the probable result on compulsion of excluding them from the benefits of these grants. § MR. T. W. RUSSELL said, he took in the remarks of the hon. Member for Kerry completely; but he was not quite sure that all the Committee understood 1356 them as fully as he did. "}