{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/apr/29/the-business-of-the-house", "section": "the-business-of-the-house", "cue_text": "Loud cheers, and some cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "hich are not wanted and which are not intended to pass into law. But then, Sir, I have said that the policy of the Government is not approved in the country. That is an open secret. This Government is going on dealing in this arbitrary way in the House of Commons with the full knowledge in the mind of every man who sits on the Bench (the Treasury Bench) that they are in a minority in the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/apr/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/apr/29/the-business-of-the-house", "section": "the-business-of-the-house", "cue_text": "Cries of \"One.\"", "preceding_text": "tunity of showing what their effect would be. But, after all, this scheme could be carried out at far less cost of time and labour to the House than the Government propose to exact. As my right hon. Friend the Member for west Birmingham has pointed out, you cannot revolutionise the institutions of your country with a majority which has amounted sometimes to 30, and has gone down to 8, 10, and 11. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/west-highland-railway-guarantee", "section": "west-highland-railway-guarantee", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "aker, I do not think notice has been given of this. Is it not customary to give notice of such a Motion. § * MR. SPEAKER It is a notice in itself. § MR. DALZIEL On a point of order, is it not necessary in a matter of the kind that we should take the first stage in Committee. § * MR. SPEAKER That is exactly what the Motion proposes: \"That the House do resolve itself into Committee.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/west-highland-railway-guarantee", "section": "west-highland-railway-guarantee", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "irst stage in Committee. § * MR. SPEAKER That is exactly what the Motion proposes: \"That the House do resolve itself into Committee.\" [ Laughter. ] § MR. DALZIEL I am quite aware of the purport of the notice. What I wish to ask you is whether it is not customary to place a notice of the kind on the Paper for the Committee stage. § * MR. SPEAKER It would be quite contrary to custom. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/irish-oats", "section": "irish-oats", "cue_text": "\"Hear hear!\"", "preceding_text": "2 that the price of oats, instead of improving, as expected by the Irish Land Commission in their Report just issued, had steadily fallen, and that the average now stood at 5½d. per stone instead of 6d., as on Thursday last? § * Mr. GERALD BALFOUR I am not aware of the fact the hon. Member has brought to my notice, but I may say there is nothing to justify the legislation he proposes. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/indian-cotton-duties", "section": "indian-cotton-duties", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ut that in their opinion such a duty does 785 not remove or counterbalance the protective character of the Customs Duty to which all imported cotton goods are subject. This Memorial will be sent to India, and the Indian Government requested to state their side of the case. I may add that I adhere to the speech I made on the 21st of February last, and have nothing to retract in connection with it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/indian-cotton-duties", "section": "indian-cotton-duties", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " Indian Government requested to state their side of the case. I may add that I adhere to the speech I made on the 21st of February last, and have nothing to retract in connection with it. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § MR. STANHOPE May I ask the noble Lord whether, as he adheres to his speech of the 21st February, the Government of which he is so important a Member will take steps to repeal these duties? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/indian-cotton-duties", "section": "indian-cotton-duties", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "n he now afforded to the House on the occasion of the Debate to be raised on this subject on the Indian Budget. § * LORD G. HAMILTON My hon. Friend will see that this is a mutter of some difficulty and of great delicacy, and I certainly ought not to be expected to give any opinion on the question until the Indian Government have had an opportunity of fully stating their views on the subject. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/indian-cotton-duties", "section": "indian-cotton-duties", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " of some difficulty and of great delicacy, and I certainly ought not to be expected to give any opinion on the question until the Indian Government have had an opportunity of fully stating their views on the subject. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § MR. FLYNN asked whether it was not the fact that a large number of Lancashire Members were returned at the last Election pledged to the repeal of these duties. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/indian-cotton-duties", "section": "indian-cotton-duties", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ecently came into operation, and until some time has elapsed it will be impossible to say exactly what the effect of that duty will be. 786 § SIR W. WEDDERBURN (Banffshire) Is the noble Lord now able to tell us more precisely the date on which the Indian Budget will be taken? § * LORD G. HAMILTON I am afraid that that does not depend upon me, but upon the hon. Gentleman and his friends. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/accidents-to-factory-operatives", "section": "accidents-to-factory-operatives", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "numerous provisions intended to prevent danger from accidents, and when that Act comes into force we may fairly hope for some diminution in the number of accidents. The inspectors' assistants are fully occupied with their special duties in workshops; they were not selected as being qualified for the more difficult work of factory inspection, and nothing would be gained by transferring them to it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/accidents-to-factory-operatives", "section": "accidents-to-factory-operatives", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "s being qualified for the more difficult work of factory inspection, and nothing would be gained by transferring them to it. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § MR. T. J. HEALY (Wexford, N.), asked whether the right hon. Gentleman could say whether he intended to bring in a Bill to amend the Employers' Liability Act , next Session? § Sin M. W. RIDLEY That is a matter scarcely connected with the question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/channel-fleet", "section": "channel-fleet", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "dmiralty, whether he can give any information respecting the movements of the Channel Fleet during the next few weeks? § THE SECRETARY TO THE ADMIRALTY (Mr. W. E. MACARTNEY,) Antrim, S. The Channel Squadron have orders to leave Portland to-day (Monday) for the Firth of Forth; in returning, the squadron will call (weather permitting) at east coast ports, Sunderland, Scarborough, and Yarmouth. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/delivery-of-letters", "section": "delivery-of-letters", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "letters as insufficiently addressed. I may add that since the date of the question, an agreement has been arrived at, and that the ambiguously addressed letters in question are to be offered in the first instance to Mr. Wheeler of No. 106. As regards the concluding words of the question, I am not prepared to admit, on behalf of the Postmaster General, that the suggested directions are called for. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/thefts-from-pillar-letter-boxes", "section": "thefts-from-pillar-letter-boxes", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "r alluded to in the question have been examined by the Post Office, but so far none of them have proved free from objection. I may add that at the present time a contrivance is being tested. The hon. Member is mistaken as to the meaning of the warning to which he refers. It is obvious that its intention is to oblige individuals to take letters containing value to a proper office to be registered. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/irish-land-legislation", "section": "irish-land-legislation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ision suggested. 797 § MR. FFRENCH Might I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he is aware that many thousands of persons had been evicted under what was known as \"the eviction-made-easy clause,\" whose property had been taken by the landlords without compensation; and whether, in the interests of good government, he would do anything to prevent the Irish tenant-farmers from being despoiled? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/crofters-scotland-act-1886", "section": "crofters-scotland-act-1886", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "OFTERS (SCOTLAND) ACT, 1886. HC Deb 26 August 1895 vol 36 c802 802 § MR. WEIR I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether it is the intention of the Government to introduce early next Session a Bill to amend the Crofters (Scotland) Act, 1886 ? § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY I can give no pledge at present with regard to the legislative programme of the Government next Session. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "s and the consequent classification of workhouses and infirmaries, so that there might be one house 827 for the more deserving poor, another for the sick, and a third, possibly, for the well-behaved women and children. In this way they might get a useful classification of the poor in the different districts, while, at the same time the work would be rendered more harmonious throughout the county. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ade against excessive outdoor relief, but all the arguments that were directed by poor-law inspectors were in the English language, and therefore did not have the effect that they would have if delivered in Welsh. He hoped, in conclusion, that the right hon. Gentleman would see that the inspectors to be appointed should speak Welsh. § MR. CHAPLIN It is my intention to look into the question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "effect. It would be much better and equally efficacious that the lymph should be taken from a healthy child. A number of leading men in the provinces had pointed out that greater care and attention should, in the first place, be attached to the development of the calf lymph and the choice of the animals from which it was to be supplied. He did not agree with those who thought vaccination an evil. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Renewed cheering.", "preceding_text": "hild. A number of leading men in the provinces had pointed out that greater care and attention should, in the first place, be attached to the development of the calf lymph and the choice of the animals from which it was to be supplied. He did not agree with those who thought vaccination an evil. [ Cheers. ] On the contrary, he believed it to be one of the greatest benefits conferred upon mankind. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: \"Where is Simancas?\"", "preceding_text": " the amount of money spent on foreign papers. This was a matter which should he left to private enterprise. Many booksellers would be glad to get an opportunity of having the work done for nothing, publishing them at such a price as would remunerate him. Then the investigation on the Archives of Rome cost them £10,000—\"investigation\" only. Then there was a large sum for investigation at Simancas? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "portunity of having the work done for nothing, publishing them at such a price as would remunerate him. Then the investigation on the Archives of Rome cost them £10,000—\"investigation\" only. Then there was a large sum for investigation at Simancas? [An hon. MEMBER: \"Where is Simancas?\"] He did not know; he believed in Spain, but the Secretary of the Treasury, who knew everything, would tell them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "edited the Chronicle out of office hours. He received eight guineas a sheet for this work \"out of office hours.\" Here was a man with two masters; he was sure to neglect part of his duties. They might be quite certain that if they allowed an official to do work \"out of office hours\" he would do the work in office hours. He thought he could say 844 that from a certain amount of personal experience. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "et by the Crown at only 9s. 4d. per acre, though £302. 19s. had been spent upon it in repairs and improvements. When he tried to get the total rental of this Crown property, he was told that the information he wanted involved a tremendous inquiry of several days, and the department had put him off twice without the information solely that he might not be armed with it when he raised the question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Divide.\"", "preceding_text": "ing, for some days, to extract from the Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Hanbury), certain statistics, and the reason given why the figures had not been furnished, was, 868 in his opinion, a mere subterfuge. Further, the person who was called upon to re-sell, in order to enable a quarry to be developed, would have no public support whatever if he tried to raise an outcry against such a re-purchase. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e Treasury (Mr. Hanbury), certain statistics, and the reason given why the figures had not been furnished, was, 868 in his opinion, a mere subterfuge. Further, the person who was called upon to re-sell, in order to enable a quarry to be developed, would have no public support whatever if he tried to raise an outcry against such a re-purchase. [ Cries of \"Divide.\"] This was a matter of importance. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " the necessary information, that he should make further inquiry. § DR. TANNER said that he desired to invite the consideration of the Government to a matter which had attracted the attention of one of the papers as lately as yesterday—namely, the question of foreshores between high water and low-water mark. 877 § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY I beg to move that the Question be now put. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Cheers, and cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "f order, whether, when an hon. Member brought forward a subject on an Estimate and had been promised by a responsible Minister of the Crown an answer to the statement which he had made, it was within the province of the Leader of the House to use the closure without paying any regard to that promise. THE CHAIRMAN That is not a point of order. § * MR. PRITCHARD MORGAN It is a point of honour. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/26", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/26/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "SURY hoped the two remaining English 878 Votes in Class II. might be taken before progress was reported, and also two Scotch Votes—those, namely, for the Lunacy Commission and the Registrar General of Documents. § MR. T. M. HEALY said, the hon. Member for Ross and Cromartie, who was suffering from illness, had asked him to prevent any Scotch Votes from being taken if he could possibly do so. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1895/aug/26", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1895/aug/26/war-office-re-organisation", "section": "war-office-re-organisation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "rtments. The precise terms of the Order in Council which will be necessary in order to give effect to it will require closer examination than we have yet been able to give them, and I need scarcely add that upon points of this kind it will be natural that, before the terms of the Order in Council are finally decided, I should have an opportunity of conferring in regard to them with Lord Wolseley. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/army-forage-supply", "section": "army-forage-supply", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "and straw has been mainly of home growth. With a view to encouraging local supply, arrangements have, in certain cases, been made for 887 purchasing forage locally, instead of from contractors. The extension of this system will be considered. MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis) How is the hon. Gentleman able to say that the hay and straw is home grown, since he has no means of ascertaining its origin? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/colonial-literature-for-the-british", "section": "colonial-literature-for-the-british", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "cation to the superintendent of the reading-room, even if they have not actually been entered in the catalogue. The compilation of a complete sectional catalogue as suggested would at present seriously interrupt still more pressing work, but the proposal will be considered along with others as soon as the printing of the general catalogue is completed, which will probably be in three years' time. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/central-queens-land", "section": "central-queens-land", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "HE COLONIES (Mr. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN,) Birmingham, W. The hon. Member is mistaken as to the reservation of powers to the Crown. The Colony of Queensland was separated from New South Wales under the authority of an Act of Parliament; but Parliament has not yet authorised Her Majesty to subdivide the Colony of Queensland. I think it is premature at present to propose any legislation for the purpose. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/indian-prison-made-goods", "section": "indian-prison-made-goods", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "Government of India that gaol manufactures should, as far as possible, be confined to articles adapted for use by other public departments; but he added— It is not, of course, intended to preclude gaols from special industries, such as carpet-making, which have been found suitable as a means of employing convict labour, but for which there is practically no market in the department of Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/indian-prison-made-goods", "section": "indian-prison-made-goods", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ked, whether the noble Lord would kindly mention one or two of the other articles still made in Indian gaols and exported to foreign countries, and would furnish a return on the subject? § LORD GEORGE HAMILTON said, that if the hon. Gentleman would specify the articles with respect to which he desired information, he would make inquiries and see whether he could furnish the return asked for. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/mercantile-marine-officers-and-the-navy", "section": "mercantile-marine-officers-and-the-navy", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "STER (Belfast, W.) asked whether appointments had been made or were in contemplation? § MR. GOSCHEN said that appointments were in immediate contemplation, and he was glad to say that there were applications from officers in the Royal Naval Reserve who had already served in Her Majesty's ships. MR. GIBSON BOWLES I beg to give notice that I shall call attention to the matter on the Estimates. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/war-office-reorganisation", "section": "war-office-reorganisation", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "ived with loud cheers, said: Before this question is answered, I wish to put to the Government a question on a matter of great consequence affecting our proceedings. I should like to ask the Leader of the House whether it is in accordance with what I have always understood to be 905 the practice of the House of Commons, that a statement of a very important change in the administration of the Army—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/war-office-reorganisation", "section": "war-office-reorganisation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ike to ask the Leader of the House whether it is in accordance with what I have always understood to be 905 the practice of the House of Commons, that a statement of a very important change in the administration of the Army—[ Cheers ]—perhaps as important a change as has ever been proposed—should have been made in the other House of Parliament, and not made simultaneously in the House of Commons. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/war-office-reorganisation", "section": "war-office-reorganisation", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: \"Sooner!\"", "preceding_text": "905 the practice of the House of Commons, that a statement of a very important change in the administration of the Army—[ Cheers ]—perhaps as important a change as has ever been proposed—should have been made in the other House of Parliament, and not made simultaneously in the House of Commons. [ Cheers. ] The House of Commons has a right that the statement should be made here at least as soon as—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/war-office-reorganisation", "section": "war-office-reorganisation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "hould have been made in the other House of Parliament, and not made simultaneously in the House of Commons. [ Cheers. ] The House of Commons has a right that the statement should be made here at least as soon as—[An hon. MEMBER: \"Sooner!\"]—it is made in the other House, and that we should not have to learn from a newspaper the course which the Government are about to take in matters of that kind? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/war-office-reorganisation", "section": "war-office-reorganisation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "the result would have been that hon. Members would have entered upon a discussion of the Army Estimates, much less well equipped than they are now. Therefore, without dealing with the general question of comity between the two Houses of Parliament, I can assure the right hon. Gentleman opposite that the Government have been animated in this case by the convenience of the House to which we belong. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ad fair ground for calling on him at the earliest date to enter into negotiations with the North Sea Powers to bring about that which he recognised as a desirable object. There was another point he wished to refer to, namely, that they might pass what good legislation they pleased, but it was not of much use if it was not properly administered and there was not an efficient body to administer it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ssels on those coasts, and there were none on the east coast. The Admiralty had during the past year or two certainly shown a greater willingness to accede to their demands and they had on certain occasions sent better vessels for the protection of the fishing interests. But they wanted a regular supply of good fast vessels that would make the system of sea police an active and permanent reality. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "rmen. He had always understood that the Scotch were, up to this moment, a proud, independent people, perfectly capable of taking care of their own fish, and on occasion of other people's cattle. He was, therefore, shocked to hear them come to the House 940 of Commons and whine for more police, more gunboats, and more inspectors. What were the gunboats wanted for? In order to oppress the trawlers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "lers that the House of Commons was being incessantly occupied with. The way to deal with the fishermen was to let them alone. It was the greatest rubbish to speak about the destruction of the fish, because reproduction went on much faster than the capture or the destruction. Then, as to immature fish, he maintained that they were some of the best. He did not want to have a whale put on his plate. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii", "section": "class-ii", "cue_text": "\"Oh! oh!\"", "preceding_text": "thing very much like prohibiting trawling over the North Sea. Those agreements were extremely objectionable, because they could only result in placing English and Scottish fishermen under foreign jurisdiction. As to grants for piers and harbours, he recommended Scotchmen to rely more upon themselves; let them take an example from the Englishman, who never received grants and never asked for them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ted three-fourths of the wishes and desires of the Irish people. But the Chief Secretary in no uncertain tones told them that he was about to administer the law in Ireland in a spirit of inflexible and unchanging opposition to their desires. But Nationalist Members from Ireland were not dismayed by this, or the large majority by which the Chief Secretary intended to rule and govern their country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "hich the Chief Secretary intended to rule and govern their country. [ Cheers. ] They had faith in their well-tried Liberal friends, and in the honesty and fixity of purpose of the Democratic Liberal Party of this country. But they relied chiefly on the courage and undaunted determination of the Irish race to bring the administration of the Chief Secretary into harmony with their views and wishes. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "as a process server—the most undesirable tenant a landlord could have, because each gale day he had to be processed for his rent. The remedy turned out to be worse than the disease, and the new tenant was worse than the old one. This tenant knew there would be a process for him, and he earned the money the process-server would get by going into the office, taking the process, and serving himself. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "the past month had seriously damaged the corn. Green crops had also been dried up, and large patches of brown were to be seen in which no seed had vegetated, although, in many cases, it had been re-sown two 949 or three times over. The only good crop in Ireland this year was the potato crop, but although potatoes would happily keep the people of Ireland from starving, potatoes would not pay rent. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " of assistance. He was sure that there were some Irish landlords in that House who would not oppose the passage of such a measure, for, if they had any acquaintance with the condition of Ireland at the present moment they must know that what he had stated was the simple truth. The Government would themselves reap the reward of such an act of justice in a contented tenantry and a tranquil Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ng. The suggestion which he wished to make 950 was not too great for the limits of the present Session. The Chief Secretary was going to bring in a Bill to renew one clause in the Land Purchase Act of 1881. He asked the right hon. Gentleman to include in that Bill a clause renewing the section in the Act of 1887 which gave the Land Commission power, by a sliding-scale, to vary the judicial rents. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ey had only just come into office, and that, being only just in office, hon. Members must wait until time had been given to consider the subjects put forward. That, no doubt, from a personal point of view was a reasonable excuse, but from a national point of view, and having regard to the relations between England and Ireland, and the growing necessities of their country, it was no excuse at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "as no excuse at all. [\"Hear, hear!\"] He believed the right hon. Gentleman had been inducted into the most unpleasant and disagreeable of all the offices in the Government, and no one who considered the fate and fortunes of that post for many years past would think that the right hon. Gentleman was sitting on a bed of roses, or that at the end of his tenure of Office he would be crowned with them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "tting on a bed of roses, or that at the end of his tenure of Office he would be crowned with them. [ Laughter. ] But if they went back to the days of Daniel O'Connell they would find that the very same excuses were put forward by the Chief Secretary then. The fact was this—that Ireland had become simply a kind of springboard for British statesmen, from which they must vault into higher positions. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish Cheers", "preceding_text": "d for British statesmen, from which they must vault into higher positions. [ Laughter. ] The condition of Ireland was tangible, and they could put their finger upon it with absolute certainty. In the first place, the mass of the people, so far as their 952 representatives went, was a constant and unvarying quantity. The English could not win over the Irish towards them, and they never would do so "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ty. In the first place, the mass of the people, so far as their 952 representatives went, was a constant and unvarying quantity. The English could not win over the Irish towards them, and they never would do so [ Irish Cheers ]; but they were like the man who tried to train his donkey to go without food—they were always on the point of success when the animal died, or the Chief Secretary retired. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "in regard to Ireland the policy was never one of continuity, and could not be, because, according to the way in which the play of British forces was brought into action, a different policy was presented. The right hon. Gentleman was to be pitied rather than to be attacked at the present time. He would find when he went to Ireland that he was no more a free agent than the spoke in a driving wheel. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "e that desire. The moment he did so the party of the garrison, in whose hands was the administration of this million or million and a half, who had all the grand jurors, secretaries to the grand jury at £500 a year, treasurers at £800 a year, sheriffs, coroners, petty sessions clerks, and all the other minor pickings which were the appanage and the cause of the loyalty of the minority in Ireland, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " all the other minor pickings which were the appanage and the cause of the loyalty of the minority in Ireland, [ Laughter ] would at once commence to howl:— Are you going to hand Ireland over to the rebels and give the Irish Party the power of spending our rates? We are the only loyal, educated, and wealthy party, who stood by you at the Boyne, Aughrim, and Derry. and so on, in the usual fashion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "of Nationalist Members in that House were merely a common form. But, despite that, he maintained that the right hon. Gentleman's position was an impossible 954 one, and he would take as an illustration the question of the Christian Brothers. The Government had appointed as Solicitor-General for Ireland a Catholic: he would much rather that the hon. Member for Mid Armagh should have been appointed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish Cheers.", "preceding_text": " for South Belfast wrote a letter to the Standard in which he said that the appointment of a Catholic meant that the Scarlet Lady was going to be satisfied by the settlement of the Christian Brothers' question. He ventured to say, that the new Solicitor-General for Ireland cared nothing about the settlement of that question, what he wanted was to get office in order to see his way to a Judgeship. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "to see his way to a Judgeship. [ Irish Cheers. ] But why did not the Government settle the Christian Brothers question? They had not put forward an unreasonable claim. The Catholic and Protestant Archbishops of Dublin had joined hand in hand in making the demand on the late Government, and the demand was dishonoured, and it was dishonoured because of the opposition of the Member for South Tyrone, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "laughter", "preceding_text": "g the demand on the late Government, and the demand was dishonoured, and it was dishonoured because of the opposition of the Member for South Tyrone, [ Irish cheers. ] The Member for South Tyrone threatened his resignation, and now the answer given by the right hon. Gentleman was the answer given by his predecessor, that he was going over to Ireland on Tuesday week, or it might be Wednesday week, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "nd the new Solicitor-General for Ireland. He ventured to say to the Irish tenants this: Why was the hon. Member (Mr. W. Kenny) made Solicitor-General? In his election address the Attorney-General for Ireland had to say something pleasing to the farmers of North Derry; but the Solicitor-General had a purely urban constituency, and he was put into office as a watch-dog on the part of the landlords. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "Attorney-General for Ireland had to say something pleasing to the farmers of North Derry; but the Solicitor-General had a purely urban constituency, and he was put into office as a watch-dog on the part of the landlords. [ Irish cheers. ] The Solicitor-General was to watch the Attorney-General, and the Member for Guildford and the Member for South Antrim were to watch the Member for South Tyrone. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": " the North. These Gentlemen joined with the Nationalists in demanding a Land Bill. They declared they were against the landlords, but when it came to the poll they were Tories first and land reformers after. They would find out that this Government was a landlords' Government and then they could console themselves, in their meeting-houses and chapels, that at any rate, the Pope had not come over. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ction of 25 per cent. the great principles of the British Constitution. These were the dry bones on which they would be fed. There would be a great amount of British Constitution and very small reduction. He had great sympathy with the position of the Chief Secretary. He was sure he had the best intentions, but he would find, as his predecessors had found, that the situation was too much for him. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "fed. There would be a great amount of British Constitution and very small reduction. He had great sympathy with the position of the Chief Secretary. He was sure he had the best intentions, but he would find, as his predecessors had found, that the situation was too much for him. [\"Hear, hear!\"] But now that he was about to proceed 956 to that country, had he any views whatever about that country? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "he would find, as his predecessors had found, that the situation was too much for him. [\"Hear, hear!\"] But now that he was about to proceed 956 to that country, had he any views whatever about that country? [ Laughter. ] They had Tory programmes galore during the General Election; showers of British gold were to fall on Ireland—the gold, he might observe, having been first collected from Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter and cheers.", "preceding_text": "hat country, had he any views whatever about that country? [ Laughter. ] They had Tory programmes galore during the General Election; showers of British gold were to fall on Ireland—the gold, he might observe, having been first collected from Ireland. [ Irish cheers. ] As had been observed, they were always wiping the tear from the eyes of Erin, but Ireland had to pay for the pocket-handkerchief. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "mpt was being made to bring about a solution of the larger questions of statesmanship in Ireland. So far as the mind and temper of the Tory Party were concerned, they were as far from a settlement as ever. He would offer no advice to the right hon. Gentleman, because his advice would not be accepted; and the advice which the right hon. Gentleman tendered to the Irish Members they declined to take—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Loud cheers.", "preceding_text": " any of them could do was to prophesy about Ireland. They could only tell the right hon. Gentleman the conditions of the problem; but they made no prophecies as to the future, except this one prophecy—that, as it was in the beginning so it would be to the end, until Irish Nationalist hopes were recognised so as to enable them to 958 take their share as freemen in the Government of their own land. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers", "preceding_text": "e price of butter, does not really seriously enter into the question with which I am now dealing. In my judgment, it would require something far more than a presumption in favour of a fall of prices in oats or butter to justify any Government in undertaking to bring in a special measure for the revision of rents fixed under the Act of 1881. It has once been done, in a time, a highly critical time—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers", "preceding_text": "d not, in the time at the disposal of the House, be amended as it required, and in consequence of that, and for no other reason, the Bill was dropped. With regard to the other questions on which the hon. Gentleman seemed to invite my opinion, I am sorry to say that I cannot on the present occasion follow him. He urges that personal inexperience, which is the misfortune of each new Chief Secretary—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "y—[ Nationalist cheers ]—is no excuse for inability to at once formulate a policy; but I cannot help saying it is a somewhat strange thing that the moment a new Chief Secretary—and especially a Unionist Chief Secretary—comes into office, all those thorny questions which have been gradually accumulating in connection with Ireland suddenly seem to assume an urgency which they did not possess before—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "uld remind the hon. Gentleman that my predecessor was considering this question for no less than three years, and at the end of the three years he was not able to furnish a solution that was satisfactory to the National Board of Education. If Mr. Morley was unable to find a solution of this question in three years, surely I may claim a little more than three weeks to come to a conclusion upon it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ld remind the hon. Member that even if Home Rule was granted under a Bill such as that brought forward by Mr. 963 Gladstone during the administration of the late Government, Ireland also would be ruled by Party, and the disadvantages which attach to Party government would be, I believe, quite as strongly felt under a Government carried on in Dublin as under a Government carried on in Westminster. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "on in Westminster. [\"Hear, hear!\"] I am aware that the Government of Ireland has shown an absence—a deplorable absence at times—of continuity, but at all events, as I think the hon. Member for Louth has himself said, we may now look forward to six years of Unionist Administration. That will, at any rate, I trust, give us a continuity of six years, and a continuity of six years is worth something. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " to leave my office crowned with laurels. I do not expect one or the other. I know perfectly well that I shall not repose on a bed of roses; I know the disadvantages which attach the position I now hold, but I shall be well satisfied if, at the end of that time, I can feel that I have done my duty, and that Ireland, if by ever so little, is more prosperous and more contented than when I found it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "n I found it. [ Cheers. ] § MR. J. DILLON (Mayo, E.) observed that the Chief Secretary, towards the conclusion of his speech, had alluded to 964 one of the difficulties of Irish Secretaries being their inexperience of Irish affairs. That very inexperience was one of the main causes of the opposition which had always animated Irish Nationalist Members towards the present system of Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " taken by the Irish Members on the subject was the only prudent course they could pursue. The Party of the right hon. Gentleman won many thousands of votes at the late Election on the ground that they were favourable to denominational schools, and, having no obstacle in their paths, he trusted they would immediately apply themselves to settling the grievances of the Christian Brothers in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "onist Government. In 1886, when the last Unionist Government entered upon office, the population of Ireland was 4,905,000, but in 1892 it had decreased to 4,638,000, being a reduction of 267,000, or of 44,000 per annum. Was not that a frightful fact, and especially when they remembered that the larger part of the reduction was the direct result of the violent expulsion of people from their homes? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " of 44,000 per annum. Was not that a frightful fact, and especially when they remembered that the larger part of the reduction was the direct result of the violent expulsion of people from their homes? [ Cheers. ] That was what six years of continuous Unionist Government in Ireland was worth. Ho presumed that, before the right hon. Gentleman left office, another 250,000 of people would have gone. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ple from their homes? [ Cheers. ] That was what six years of continuous Unionist Government in Ireland was worth. Ho presumed that, before the right hon. Gentleman left office, another 250,000 of people would have gone. [\"Hear, hear!\"] In 1892 a Home Rule Government came into office. It was perfectly true that that Government had not been able to do anything for Ireland. But whose fault was that? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ment came into office. It was perfectly true that that Government had not been able to do anything for Ireland. But whose fault was that? [ Cheers. ] Could anything be more unreal, more unjust, more uncandid than for the right hon. Gentleman to blame the late Government for not having achieved anything for Ireland, when he knew it was his friends on the other side of the Lobby who prevented them? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "t? [ Cheers. ] Could anything be more unreal, more unjust, more uncandid than for the right hon. Gentleman to blame the late Government for not having achieved anything for Ireland, when he knew it was his friends on the other side of the Lobby who prevented them? [ Cheers. ] The late Government, however, did two things. In 1892–93 they reduced the drain of population from 44,000 to 19,000—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers", "preceding_text": "ld, in all sincerity, that it was a great deal more to the interest of the right hon. Gentleman, and his six years of Unionist Government in Ireland, than to the interest of anybody else, that he should settle this question in a generous fashion. The right hon. Gentleman desired to conciliate the confidence of the Irish people. He did not believe the right hon. Gentleman would succeed in doing it—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers.", "preceding_text": "er recent settlements would inevitably be evicted again in the course of the next few years, because they had no money to put up new buildings, or to properly stock their lands. What was 969 the use of trying to settle the question in that fashion? If the Government tried to settle it on those lines, they would only be preparing for themselves fresh anxieties and fresh difficulties in the future. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Unionist cheers.", "preceding_text": "due to the tenants. He had no doubt that the Chief Secretary would do some things that would be good for Ireland. He had no doubt that the right hon. Gentleman would spend freely, as his brother had done before him, from the English Treasury, on light railways and other excellent projects of that kind. Ireland always got a great deal more out of a Tory Government than out of a Liberal Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Unionist cheers.", "preceding_text": "but they always gilded the pill. That happened in the case of the right hon. Gentleman's brother. The present Leader of the House governed Ireland for six years with a strong hand; but towards the close of his administration he spent money more lavishly in the country than it had ever been spent before. The right hon. Gentleman built railroads, and those railroads were doing a great deal of good. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers.", "preceding_text": "and that he would settle the question of the Christian Brothers, and other questions it was difficult for a Liberal Government to settle. But he told the right, hon. Gentleman—and the right hon. Gentleman would remember his words at the end of his six years of Unionist Government—that he would find when all was over that he had not got one vote more from the Irish people in support of his policy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he labourers were satisfied, if the evicted tenants were restored, if the 983 farmers were satisfied; their position would be very different from what it was. Do not let the golden moment fly, and go back to coercion. He was not going to say one word which could offend. He was only appealing to the right hon. Gentleman, who had spoken calmly and quietly, as he sincerely hoped he was trying to do. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "t the golden moment fly, and go back to coercion. He was not going to say one word which could offend. He was only appealing to the right hon. Gentleman, who had spoken calmly and quietly, as he sincerely hoped he was trying to do. [\"Hear, hear!\"] Let him try to rise above these minor points and deal with the labourers almost first, if not first, dealing with the evicted tenants at the same time. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Renewed laughter.", "preceding_text": "t going to say one word which could offend. He was only appealing to the right hon. Gentleman, who had spoken calmly and quietly, as he sincerely hoped he was trying to do. [\"Hear, hear!\"] Let him try to rise above these minor points and deal with the labourers almost first, if not first, dealing with the evicted tenants at the same time. [ Laughter. ] He wished to draw no invidious distinctions. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ad in England and Scotland bodies set up to watch over the interests of the sea fisheries, nothing of the kind was provided for Ireland. In Scotland, for example, a considerable sum was spent every year by the Scottish 988 Fishery Board in branding the Scotch herrings, and all Scottish Members were agreed that the prosperity of the industry there had been largely promoted by that state of things. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "h of which had been either arguments in reply to his own speech or else merely restatements of what had been already said. He thought, however, some answer was due to the hon. Member who had just sat down, and who had raised a new point in connection with the Irish fishery. He was as anxious as the hon. Member could be to develop this, which was amongst the 989 most important of Irish industries. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "\"] He was rather inclined to think the hon. Gentleman had underrated what had been already done in Ireland, and he was not sure that he had at all accurately described what was now being done in England and Scotland. He could assure the hon. Gentleman that he would inquire fully into the subject, and if he found there was room for improvement, no effort should be wanting on his part to effect it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "abourers? § MR. GERALD BALFOUR said, the hon. Member for Mid Cork had raised a question as to the Labourers' Dwellings Act. [Dr. TANNER: \"And allotments.\"] There had been certain difficulties to encounter, but the matter was now under the consideration of the Local Government Board. He trusted that those difficulties would be removed by administrative action, and if not, then by legislation. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " under the consideration of the Local Government Board. He trusted that those difficulties would be removed by administrative action, and if not, then by legislation. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § DR. TANNER Under the circumstances, I beg to move a reduction of the Vote by £1,000 in respect of the Chief Secretary's salary. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY I beg to move that the question be now put. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "NER Under the circumstances, I beg to move a reduction of the Vote by £1,000 in respect of the Chief Secretary's salary. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY I beg to move that the question be now put. [ Cheers. ] § The question having been put from the Chair, § DR. TANNER (who remained seated) On a point of order, Mr. Lowther, I beg to state that the right hon. Gentleman was too late. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "Chair, § DR. TANNER (who remained seated) On a point of order, Mr. Lowther, I beg to state that the right hon. Gentleman was too late. [ Laughter. ] THE CHAIRMAN There is no point of order. § DR. TANNER I beg to state I shall raise the whole question on the—— THE CHAIRMAN Order, order! I have already informed the hon. Member that that is not a point of order. § DR. TANNER Thank you "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "or example, would raise some points for discussion; but the remaining Votes might be obtained by the Government at a reasonable hour. He formally moved to report progress. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY thought the Committee would Feel that at the time of the year at which they had arrived, some effort should be made by the Committee, even at some personal sacrifice, to wind up the Session "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": ". The Irish Members had no disposition to prolong the Session; they 991 wanted to get home; but they wanted something to take with them. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY said, the hon. and learned Gentleman had made one mistake in assuming the shortness of Wednesday, which, so far as the actual time at their disposal was concerned, had in it the capacity of being the longest day in the week. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/class-ii-1", "section": "class-ii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "EALY said, he understood the Irish Votes would be finished on Thursday, and that the Report stage of the Chief Secretary's Vote would be taken at a reasonable hour. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY At a reasonable—not abnormally late hour. We must see what progress is made with the English Votes. But the finishing of the Irish Votes on Thursday is a pledge binding on both sides of the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/27/west-highland-railway-guarantee-1", "section": "west-highland-railway-guarantee-1", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "t Highland Railway Company, and to pay a sum of money, not exceeding £30,000, to that Company; and to authorise the payment, out of moneys to be provided by Parliament, and (if those moneys are insufficient) out of the Consolidated Fund, of such sums as may be necessary for those purposes. 994 § * MR. BUCHANAN said, this was a Resolution which they could not allow to pass without discussion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/second-division-clerks", "section": "second-division-clerks", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "escribes an annual leave of 14 days for the first five years of service, and, subsequently, of 21 days, in addition, in 1128 either case, to Christmas Day, Good Friday, the Queen's Birthday, and four Bank holidays. It is not intended to make any change in this arrangement. All Ridley clerks appointed since 1890, entered the service with the knowledge that this was a condition of their employment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/woolwich-arsenal", "section": "woolwich-arsenal", "cue_text": "''Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ce Factories, Woolwich Arsenal, is 20s., where, according to a recent return, 50 men only out of 2,680 were paid at this rate. In the Ordnance Store Department, Woolwich Arsenal, I 9s. 6d. is the rate. Boys are paid less, according to age or rating. In addition to these rates the labourers have the advantage of sick-pay, medical attendance, and holidays, with pay, in both branches of the Arsenal. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/volunteer-rifle", "section": "volunteer-rifle", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "er Force will be loaded; and, what price will be charged for issues requisitioned by regiments for private practice? § * MR. BRODRICK Cordite will be used with the new Volunteer rifle. The price charged for issues to regiments for 1131 practice privately will be at vocabulary rates, which vary from time to time. The present price, which is expected to be reduced, is £5 12s. 3d. per thousand. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/mines-department-home-office", "section": "mines-department-home-office", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "n called to this matter. I find that the Mineral Statistics Department of the Home Office was reorganised by my predecessor in accordance with the recommendation of the Commission, and its work was put under the charge of Dr. Le Neve Foster, an able statistician and experienced inspector. The suggestions of the Commission are being carried out so far as this can be done without fresh legislation. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/military-vice-consuls-in-asia-minor", "section": "military-vice-consuls-in-asia-minor", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "n population? MR. CURZON No such information has reached Her Majesty's Government, but inquiries have been made by telegraph of Her Majesty's Ambassador at Constantinople. § MR. CHANNING asked whether, in the event of the reports circulated yesterday being confirmed, Her Majesty's Government would take any steps in the matter. MR. CURZON I had better wait for the confirmation of the reports. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Order, order!\"", "preceding_text": "gust 1895 vol 36 cc1148-86 1148 § On the Vote of £88,376, to complete the sum for Local Government Board, Ireland, § MR. FLYNN (Cork, N.), called attention to the salaries and expenses of the inspectors under the Board. When these gentlemen were directed to make inquiries about certain grievances laid before the House by Nationalist Members, they reported that no such grievances existed "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " Government Board, Ireland, § MR. FLYNN (Cork, N.), called attention to the salaries and expenses of the inspectors under the Board. When these gentlemen were directed to make inquiries about certain grievances laid before the House by Nationalist Members, they reported that no such grievances existed [\"Order, order!\"] There was so much noise that he could not hear the sound of his own voice "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!''", "preceding_text": "e House he, no doubt, would have been able to reply more effectually than he could do to some of the strictures which had been passed upon the Board; but, although he was new to his office, he wished it to be distinctly understood he in no way associated himself with anything that had been said against the members of the Board so far as regarded their competency or their devotion to their duties. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "the course of being sanctioned. What he thought was remarkable was the curious difference between the different parts of Ireland in respect to the operation of the Acts. He found that claims had recently been submitted to the Local Government Board for 2,132 new cottages. Out of these only 101 were from Ulster, only 26 from Con-naught, whereas from Munster there were 1,086, and from Leinster 919. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Nationalist cheers", "preceding_text": "e were 1,086, and from Leinster 919. [\"Hear, hear!\"] From these statistics he was afraid there could be no doubt that Boards of Guardians in Ulster were slower to adopt the provisions of the Labourers Act than the Boards of Guardians of the other provinces—[ Nationalist cheers ]; and he believed the Local Government Board had found it necessary in Ulster alone to exercise their compulsory powers. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Renewed cheers.", "preceding_text": "l dealing with the deportation of paupers from Great Britain to Ireland. He could promise that he would not lose sight of the subject. He would inquire into the reasons why this curious difference prevailed—a difference, he admitted, he saw no adequate reasons for—[ Nationalist cheers ]—and if necessary he would endeavour, by means of legislation, to remedy any grievance of the kind that existed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ligious views, whose remarks, to say the least, were most unpleasant and unseasonable. § MR. GERALD BALFOUR said, he was not blaming the practice in Ireland at all. He quite recognised that Ireland in this respect did what was not done in England; but he presumed the only reason why the practice was not adopted in England was because no complaints had been received in England on the subject. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " he was afraid, depend on the Treasury as much as on him. [ Laughter ] The hon. Member referred to the extreme poverty of the unions in the West of Ireland, and urged him to go there and see for himself the state of things in that part of the country. He not only should go, but he would go at an early period, to the poorer districts in Ireland, and should see for himself the condition of affairs. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "prevailed in Irish workhouses. According to all medical testimony the whole dietary scale in Irish workhouses was far inferior to that in English workhouses. For many years his efforts to induce different Irish Secretaries to deal with this question had failed, but he was bound to say that he had great hope that the present Chief Secretary would remedy the evil if he found that it really existed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ent Chief Secretary would remedy the evil if he found that it really existed. [\"Hear, hear!\"] He believed that when the right hon. Gentleman promised to look into this question he would do so, and he believed that if the right hon. Gentleman would consult with the proper authorities he would take the necessary steps to ameliorate the condition of the unfortunate occupants of the Irish workhouses. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " he therefore suggested to the right hon. Gentleman that he should give some official a small pecuniary interest in seeing that the provisions of the Act regulating these matters were properly carried into effect. If no such pecuniary interest were given, the officials would regard all extra work as a nuisance and a bore, because no one liked to take extra trouble unless he was paid for doing so. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "rk as a nuisance and a bore, because no one liked to take extra trouble unless he was paid for doing so. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § MR. GERALD BALFOUR said that he would carefully consider the various matters that had been brought to his notice. He could assure the hon. Gentleman that if his knowledge of those subjects was not very large his sympathy with regard to them was all that could be desired. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "n connection with the administration of the Poor Law in Ireland might be gradually removed, but he desired again to remind the House that the continued existence of those defects was not due to a want of pressure upon the Guardians by the Local Government Board, and he could assure the right hon. Gentleman that no effort on his part should be spared to make that pressure as effective as possible. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "confessed, after reading the evidence, that he was inclined to suspect that the 1180 faults in the pier might be due to original defects in the construction. If so, the conclusion was that this £600 should be spent. He should go over to Ireland and a thorough inquiry should be made, and if it was clear, that the fault lay in the original construction he should advise the Treasury to pay the £600. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-departments", "cue_text": "Laughter and \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " be made, and if it was clear, that the fault lay in the original construction he should advise the Treasury to pay the £600. [\"Hear, hear!\"] The hon. Member for Louth made the suggestion that the whole duties of the Office of Works should be transferred to the Treasury and handed over to the Irish Secretary. It was something gained to find that the hon. Member had confidence in the Irish Office. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e ran through the whole judicial system. In justice to Ireland and the taxpayers of the country, the Chief Secretary ought to pause when judicial vacancies occurred and ask whether it was not desirable that some of these Judgeships should be abolished and the salaries and expenses of the judiciary in Ireland brought more into accord with the state of the country as regarded population and wealth. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ce. It was admitted that many of these men had had no previous experience to guide them in valuing land, and there were others of them, he was sorry to say, whose antecedents were calculated to entirely destroy the confidence of the people in their decisions. For instance, many of them had been in the employment of landlords, as valuers, sub-agents, and agents, and were even landlords themselves. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "nt, in proportion to their interest in the holding, I think it is only fair to say that, so far as I can gather from the investigation of the subject I have been able to give, the Select Committee were not quite accurate in saying that \"Adams and Dunseath\" did lay down that principle at all. MR. T. M. HEALY Does the right hon. Gentleman mean to say that the hon. Member for South Tyrone was wrong? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": ", because I have not looked into it, what the view of the hon. Member for South Tyrone was. MR. T. M. HEALY He agreed with us. § MR. GERALD BALFOUR He may possibly have done so. The opinion I am expressing is at variance with the opinion of hon. Members opposite. If it happen also to be at variance with the opinion of my hon. Friend the Member for South Tyrone I am afraid I cannot help that. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ould be found in which the Sub-Commissioners have allowed such a case to pass. The hon. Member asked me one other question, and that is whether, in considering the terms of purchase, the Land Commissioners have regard to the value of the landlord's interest only, or also to the value of the tenant's interest in the holding. I believe they have regard to the value of the holding as a going concern—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "t ticket he was an authority upon that subject, or if he went round the world on a few months' trip he was entitled to write about Greater Britain; but if a man spent 40 years in Ireland, devoted himself solely to Irish politics, and made it his special study, then he was the last person in the whole world to be listened to. He was consequently thinking of devoting himself to Mekong and Macedonia—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "first indication he had given them of the policy he intended to act upon in regard to his Bill of next Session. He had told them that he was appalled when he came to contemplate the prospect which would open up before the country next spring or autumn in the fact that 30,000 Irish farmers were again to require to have their rents fixed. Fancy a man being appalled at another man's seeking justice! "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "lf appointed. He denounced this British pharisaism in connection with the Irish land question. There was no mystery about that question; it was so simple that it was ridiculous to discuss it. The Irish kern, who had made the land, whose home it was, who had to work on it in hunger and rain, sought some little right to acquire more decent sustenance than the pig and the fowl which housed with him. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Ministerial Cheers.", "preceding_text": "hat he should be required to give to the landlord, who was away at Epsom or Monte Carlo, only what would leave him, the tenant, enough to live in misery and rags. The Chief Secretary was appalled at this expenditure on the Land Commission; but the million and three-quarters spent on the Royal Irish Constabulary was the delight and boast of Parliament. And what a magnificent body of men they were. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": "212 subject. He did not desire to deny the right hon. Gentleman sufficient time to consider the Irish land question. It had been considered long enough. They began its consideration with the Devon Commission 50 years ago. THE CHAIRMAN I have to inform the hon. Member again—and I think that he recognises the ruling to be just—that the land question generally cannot be properly raised on this Vote. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order\" and cheers.", "preceding_text": "ong enough. They began its consideration with the Devon Commission 50 years ago. THE CHAIRMAN I have to inform the hon. Member again—and I think that he recognises the ruling to be just—that the land question generally cannot be properly raised on this Vote. [ Ministerial cheers. ] MR. T. M. HEALY said, hon. Members rejoiced at that statement. They did not want the Irish question to be discussed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "ironical cheers", "preceding_text": "ether it cost £60,000 or £660,000, The more that oppression cost in Ireland the better he was pleased; he would not cross the floor of the House to save the British Treasury a million of money. The more it cost this country the better he was satisfied. Acting, therefore, on the ruling of the Chair, he had only to express his opinion, for the benefit of those in Ireland who might read what he said "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "er he was satisfied. Acting, therefore, on the ruling of the Chair, he had only to express his opinion, for the benefit of those in Ireland who might read what he said [ ironical cheers ], that, having regard to the series of speeches the right hon. Gentleman had made, the series of letters which he had caused to 1213 be written to the Irish Land Commission and which he had been afraid to produce "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "f the right hon. Gentleman of legislation in the course of next year. If they did they would be disappointed, and they would be well advised, if they now considered that they had the right to go into Court, to exercise that right while it still remained to them, in order to prevent that right from being taken away from them, as was threatened in the next Bill promised by the right hon. Gentleman. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "iour for merely stating that the sheep had been fed on a boycotted farm. He dogged the vendor of the sheep for three hours and warned off people who, in all probability, according to the evidence, would have purchased the sheep. No conduct was more likely to lead to a breach of the peace or to interfere with the lawful right which every man in the community had to sell his produce in open market. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " this statute for similar offences. He had not a complete list by him, but he should be happy to furnish one to the hon. Member if he would put a question on the Paper. He had shown where Mr. Morley enforced this Act against the evicted tenants on the Massereene estate. [Mr. DILLON: \"Tried to enforce it.\"] He did not see how the Executive was less to blame for having taken an abortive proceeding. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "Mr. 1220 Morley's administration, men were held to bail to give securities to keep the peace and be of good behaviour under summonses actually in this form, and 71 were sent to prison in default of bail. In those three years 941 persons were proceeded against under summonses identical with this and were bound to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, those who made default being sent to prison. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "f good behaviour, those who made default being sent to prison. [\"Hear, hear!\"] So far from the present Government giving a different direction to the administration of the criminal law and putting in force statutes which had been laid aside during the term of office of the late Government, quite the contrary was the case, and they had merely pursued the policy adopted for the last 15 or 16 years. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "that conduct similar to that adopted in this case would not be tolerated in England. When the bootmakers were on strike in Northampton they sent round men on bicycles to persuade country manufacturers and finishers not to take the boots of the Northampton makers. That was an analogous case to that of Gleeson, but it was not attempted to adopt the procedure in England which was adopted in Ireland. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " but it was not attempted to adopt the procedure in England which was adopted in Ireland. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL FOR IRELAND was not acquainted with the facts of the case to which the hon Member referred. He was responsible for administration of justice in Ireland, and he had, he considered, shown that in this case the magistrates acted quite properly in the course they took. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "rom the ranks. Instead of selecting the young men from Yorkshire to fill the ranks of the force they should be taken from among the Irish people themselves. He did not complain of the amount of the Estimate. The more wasteful the Government were the more he would like it, except in so far as he was a taxpayer himself. This was only a part of the great system of disease which affected the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "imate. The more wasteful the Government were the more he would like it, except in so far as he was a taxpayer himself. This was only a part of the great system of disease which affected the country. [ Cheers. ] When they attacked the Constabulary system, they attacked only, as it were, its big toe; the head and heart of the system were at Westminster, and it was here that they should be attacked. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii", "section": "class-iii", "cue_text": "Laughter and cheers.", "preceding_text": "ad devised for avoiding Irish 1225 Debate. He had driven them into discussing this most important Vote and other Irish Votes at half-past one in the morning, and then said that they were all tired and wanted to go to bed. Irishmen had seen many illustrations of the methods of Unionist Government, but this admirable addition and appendix to Unionist policy was a fit ending to this happy fortnight. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/29/class-iii-1", "section": "class-iii-1", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "rivate practice, and that was done after careful consideration by Her Majesty's Government. It was in accordance with what they thought right and with what they believed to be the general opinion of the House. He could only express his very great regret that, owing to their feeling it right to take that step, they had lost the services of an old colleague, the hon. and learned Member for Plymouth "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/spirits-in-the-niger-coast-protectorate", "section": "spirits-in-the-niger-coast-protectorate", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " of between 18,000 and 19,000 percussion guns? § * MR. CURZON did not admit that there had been any extraordinary violation of the Brussels Act . Some time necessarily elapsed before the Act could come into operation, and traders took advantage of it to import these gun caps MR. T. M. HEALY asked whether, acting on the Belgian precedent, the Government could not manage to hang a few Germans? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/death-of-a-factory-worker", "section": "death-of-a-factory-worker", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "tor in time to allow of his attending. In cases where short notice has been given it is usual for the coroner to adjourn the inquest to allow of the factory inspector's attending. After January 1 next, under the new Factory Act, he will be required by law, 1247 unless the jury think the presence of an inspector unnecessary, to adjourn the inquest and give the inspector at least four days' notice. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/agricultural-depression-in-ireland", "section": "agricultural-depression-in-ireland", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he matter. With regard to the second paragraph, I have no power to do what the hon. Member suggests and no efficient means of exerting any influence for the purpose. At the same time, it is hardly necessary for me to add that it is my earnest hope that the amicable relations which now prevail with very few exceptions between landlords and tenants in Ireland will continue unbroken and undisturbed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/volunteer-rifle", "section": "volunteer-rifle", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "the consideration of the Secretary of State, and it is impossible at this moment to make a statement on the subject. The Act of 1250 1892 enables Volunteer corps to borrow money for the purchase of ranges on very moderate terms from the Public Works Loans Commissioners on the security of the range and the Capitation Grant; and it is hoped this provision will assist in getting over the difficulty. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/members-of-parliament-and-army-command", "section": "members-of-parliament-and-army-command", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "d gallant Member for Taunton, he has only a few months to complete his term of command, and before the next Session of Parliament arrangements will be made to prevent any clashing of his regimental and Parliamentary duties. The Secretary of State accepts the view that an officer in active command of his regiment should not, in future, sit in Parliament. A regulation will be issued on the subject. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/board-of-agriculture-ireland", "section": "board-of-agriculture-ireland", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "in England; and, if he will take steps to establish such Board? § MR. GERALD BALFOUR There is no official record of the presentation of the memorial referred to, but communication has been received by Government from various local bodies in favour of the establishment of a Board of Agriculture; and, as I have already stated, the matter will receive my careful consideration during the Recess. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/hms-minotaur", "section": "hms-minotaur", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ade for the accommodation of the first-class boys now in the Minotaur during the time while she was being dealt with in the dockyard. But the hon. Member need not think that any adverse decision is being arrived at with regard to the plan. But, if any other selection than the Minotaur were to present fewer difficulties, I must not be held to have pledged the present Board to that particular ship. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/cordite", "section": "cordite", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "of an excessive stock of cordite powder cartridges until a really reliable smokeless powder be obtained? THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO THE WAR OFFICE (Mr. POWELL-WILLIAMS,) Birmingham, S. The Secretary of State is not prepared to admit that cordite is not a reliable smokeless powder. The quantity of small-arm ammunition to be maintained will be that required by regulations with a reasonable reserve. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/cordite", "section": "cordite", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and laughter. \"", "preceding_text": " reliable smokeless powder. The quantity of small-arm ammunition to be maintained will be that required by regulations with a reasonable reserve. [\"Hear, hear!\"] 1254 § MR. WEIR asked whether he was aware that 2,000 rounds of the cordite powder exhausted the life of the rifle in question? MR. POWELL-WILLIAMS I am not aware that that is the fact, and I do not think that the hon. Gentleman is. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/cordite", "section": "cordite", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": " if he will state how many machine guns were in use in the Chitral Expedition; and, why black powder cartridges were used for these guns instead of cordite powder cartridges? § THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INDIA (Lord GEORGE HAMILTON,) Middlesex, Ealing, said, there were two .45 bore Maxim guns with Sir Robert Low's force. A suitable cordite cartridge has not yet been worked out for this bore. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/lichfield-races", "section": "lichfield-races", "cue_text": "\"Oh,\" and laughter.", "preceding_text": "ion is much divided, Lord Lansdowne does not feel that he would be justified in altering the decision arrived at by his predecessors. MR. JAMES LOWTHER May I ask my hon. Friend whether, amongst the persons whom he describes as military authorities, he includes the paymaster of the district, and, if so, whether he is aware that that gentleman is a very prominent member of the Anti-Gambling League. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "g of tabulated figures necessarily involved delay, but any information of a commercial character which was in any way important to their commercial interests was at once supplied either to the Board of Trade Journal, to the Chamber of Commerce of London, or to the newspapers, so that he did not think the charge of unduly withholding information valuable to the commercial world could be sustained. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "f the highest value were repeated in them without receiving the slightest attention. He did not know what the sale of the Reports here was, but he ventured to say it was not what it ought to be, and if his hon. Friend could increase the reading capacity of his clients rather than suggest the imposition of greater work on their Consuls, he would be considerably benefiting the cause he represented. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "f their commercial affairs had passed. With that sentiment he entirely agreed. At the same time there was a consideration on the other side which they ought to bear in mind. If they contemplated that commercial conquest of the world which they claimed to have made, it had been made not by the protection or activity of Governments, but by the intrepidity and enterprise of their individual traders. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "trepidity and enterprise of their individual traders. [\"Hear, hear!\"] It was the duty, and should be the pleasure of a Government to sustain and stimulate the efforts of their traders to hold their own, but more depended upon maintaining the features of their national character, which had made them what they were, than upon any artificial support that Government, Consuls, or diplomats could give. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "elieved himself that the hon. Member's expectations in that respect would be disappointed. However, the question of the publication of these Reports was one, for the reason he stated the other day, of very great difficulty, but the Government hoped the time would shortly arrive when some information respecting these countries, from those who had been on the spot, might be submitted to Parliament. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e who had been on the spot, might be submitted to Parliament. [\"Hear, hear!\"] § * MR. HOZIER (Lanark, S.) desired to say, as an old Foreign Office official, that not only the Commercial Attachés but all the officers, Diplomatic as well as Consular, connected with the Foreign Office were extremely anxious to push, by every means in their power, the commercial interests of this country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "w and order had been restored. No one could say that law and order had not been restored. But we were now asked to remain in Egypt for the benefit of the Egyptian people; to raise the condition of the people, to educate them and make them fit for self-government. Why should we remain for that purpose? In honour we were bound to retire. Some Gentlemen thought it might be to our interest to remain. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear hear!\"", "preceding_text": "nce were caused by 1279 our present position in Egypt. To continue the present policy of drift was bad, and he was persuaded that in the long run it would be fraught with most disastrous consequences. He moved the reduction of which he had given notice. § * MR. CURZON I think hon. Members will agree that this is hardly the occasion for a discussion of the question of the evacuation of Egypt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and laughter", "preceding_text": "he was persuaded that in the long run it would be fraught with most disastrous consequences. He moved the reduction of which he had given notice. § * MR. CURZON I think hon. Members will agree that this is hardly the occasion for a discussion of the question of the evacuation of Egypt. [\"Hear hear!\"] We are confronted with an exhausted and depleted House, and an empty front Opposition Bench. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he question of the evacuation of Egypt. [\"Hear hear!\"] We are confronted with an exhausted and depleted House, and an empty front Opposition Bench. [\"Hear, hear!\" and laughter ], and I must absolutely decline, in the absence of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Monmouthshire and his colleagues in the late Government, to enter at any length into a discussion as to our position in Egypt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "not follow the hon. Gentleman. Indeed, I have nothing to add to the few remarks I made on the subject the other day. The hon. Member complains that we have embarked on a policy of drift in Egypt. I see no sign whatever of drift in our proceedings in Egypt. But this I will say, if a policy of drift is undesirable, there is another thing that is more undesirable still, and that is a policy of drive "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": "hat we have embarked on a policy of drift in Egypt. I see no sign whatever of drift in our proceedings in Egypt. But this I will say, if a policy of drift is undesirable, there is another thing that is more undesirable still, and that is a policy of drive [\"Hear, hear!\"]; and Her Majesty's Government will not be driven, tempted or cajoled into any sudden action with regard to our policy in Egypt. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "the Imperial Exchequer to a self-governing Colony, and therefore it may be considered to establish an important precedent, if we do not take care to confine the conditions under which such a grant shall be made. I can only say, under these circumstances, that I very much regret that no member of the late Government is present to-day to defend the Vote for which the late Government is responsible. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "by the House of Commons must take the responsibility now if a portion of it were rejected. The Ministers who were primarily responsible for proposing this Vote were not present to defend it, and he could not admit that their duty as guardians of the public purse was discharged merely because one estimable set of right hon. Placemen had been replaced by a more estimable set of right hon. Placemen. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "red into. § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,) Manchester, E. said, the object of the House in refusing to pass this Vote must be either to censure the late Government or prevent a repetition of such expenditure in the future. The Government proposed to be censured was not in office, and there was nothing in our Constitution to enable the Committee to censure the Opposition. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": " decided by the vote of the House under the administration of the late Government. It was felt that, after you had decided to assume the inland protectorate of Uganda and the basin of the Victoria Lake, it would be absurd to undertake this obligation unless you had a railway to the coast. That obligation, tardily accepted by the late Government, is assumed with readiness by the present Government—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ided. The first was as to the length of the railway, namely, whether the line starting from Mombasa should go the whole way to Victoria Nyanza, or should stop at Kikuyu—300 miles from the coast—and be supplemented by a road to the banks of the lake. The Government hive decided that the railway is to be constructed the whole way from the ocean to the lake, a distance of little more than 650 miles. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\" Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "d have been, not the development which we anticipate, buta shrinkage—for which we should have been responsible—of the trade which is contemplated in this district. There is a third consideration which may commend itself to the patriotism of hon. Gentlemen—namely, the probability of German competition. Nothing is more certain than that if we do not construct a railway to the lake the Germans will. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "on the scene. Our administration and our Government are already in active operation there, and it would be blameworthy on the part of any Government in such circumstances by subsequent supineness to throw away the advantages which priority of possession has secured to us. Therefore the decision of the Government is that the railway shall be constructed the whole distance from Mombasa to the lake. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ion, yet there are arguments in favour of a broader gauge and of heavier weight of rail than the minimum suggested by the Departmental Committee. Even if there should be, in consequence of any such possible decision in that direction, a larger expenditure than the minimum suggested by the Departmental Committee, there would still be a saving on the original estimate made by the engineers of 1893. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " year, only 68 tons a week, or 3,500 tons a year, will be required to be transported on the railway at the charge, which is proposed to be levied, of £17 a ton. The Committee will see, from the Report of the Departmental Committee, that the charge now made is £180 per ton by native porters, so that the reduction of charge brought about by the construction of the line will be one of no mean order. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " in a region where every piece of machinery has to be of a certain weight, to enable it to be carried on the backs of the native porters, the cost of the transport of the material of the vessel will be £12,000, 1294 whereas we calculate that at the charge of £17 per ton, that material could be transported to the lake at a cost of only £1,100, thereby saving half the original cost of construction. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "have had with Sir John Kirk and with Captain Lugard, who know every yard of the country through which the line will pass, and others, I have reason to believe that a considerable future, in the shape of agricultural and cereal produce will lie before this district, not only in regard to barley and wheat, but also, in future, to coffee and cotton, as well as in the export of ivory and indiarubber. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!''", "preceding_text": " belief in the future of the line that they have already taken up plots of ground on either side of the railway. Of passenger traffic I will not say too much at present, although, if the inhabitants of East Africa betray anything like the passion for getting into railway trains which I have noticed in scores of places in Asia, the return from this branch of traffic ought not to be inconsiderable. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ment we are paying £37,000 a year for taking Government stores up to the lake, and it is expected, if present conditions continue, that in four years' time the total cost of carrying the same amount of material will have increased to £40,000. When the railway is completed, the cost will be reduced to £6,500, and upon this item alone, therefore, there will be a net saving annually of some £33,500. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he line. Another thing that the right hon. Gentleman is equally fond of saying, and in regard to which he has betrayed a similar ignorance of the subject, is that when, the line was being constructed, men armed with Winchester rifles would have to be stationed at every hundred yards in order to keep off the attacks of the natives. I am informed that these apprehensions 1296 are entirely illusory. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "laughter and cheers", "preceding_text": "n order to keep off the attacks of the natives. I am informed that these apprehensions 1296 are entirely illusory. [\"Hear, hear!\"] There is little or no fear of hostility from the tribes, and only a small body of police will be required to secure order. The local troubles constantly anticipated by the occupants of that Bench (the front Opposition Bench)—or rather by those who have now deserted it "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " dates bring it before the House. This preliminary Vote is for £20,000. It is required for preliminary expenses connected with the starting of the line. I hope I have not unduly troubled the Committee with this brief account of the views entertained by the Government, and the steps they propose to take. This scheme is one which we intend to push forward with all the energy that lies in our power. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "at part of Africa. The railway will make it self-supporting. There is another consideration which will appeal to many hon. Members in this House, and that is the bearing which the construction of this railway will have upon the question of slavery in East Africa. I believe that it will do more towards getting rid of slavery than any number of Resolutions of the House of Commons could possibly do. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "me extinct in that part. The advantages that this railway will thus have, not merely to our traders and servants, but to the inhabitants of the country itself, will be great. Nothing can be more melancholy than the state of petty internecine warfare in which up to recent years those parts of Africa have been plunged. This railway will carry with it not merely civilisation and commerce, but peace. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "ts, but to the inhabitants of the country itself, will be great. Nothing can be more melancholy than the state of petty internecine warfare in which up to recent years those parts of Africa have been plunged. This railway will carry with it not merely civilisation and commerce, but peace. [ Cheers. ] In a few years' time—I trust before the present Government have left the position they now occupy "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " coast up to the lake, and I believe that hon. Members, whether in the last or the present Parliament, who have assisted by their Votes in the inception of this undertaking, will always look back with pleasure to having had a hand in starting and in pressing on a scheme which will be fraught with advantage to British trade and will also bring good government to the natives of that part of Africa. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": "ing, will always look back with pleasure to having had a hand in starting and in pressing on a scheme which will be fraught with advantage to British trade and will also bring good government to the natives of that part of Africa. [ Cheers. ] § * SIR CHARLES DILKE quite agreed that it was a disadvantage to have to discuss these Estimates in the absence of those who were responsible for them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " wealth of the nation might be more profitably expended on places nearer to our sea base, yet he had always been of opinion that if we were to hold Uganda we should be driven to construct and hold this railway. Therefore, the opposition to this Vote should rather have come from the Leader of the Opposition and his colleague the Member for Aberdeen, than from the Radical Members below the Gangway. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "rectly or whether they would have the construction of the line done by contractors. He was very glad to hear his hon. Friend's able statement with regard to this costly work, and further that it would be undertaken in no penurious spirit. He did not think it would be wise or desirable to have a very narrow gauge, or that there should be any unreasonable economy in the construction of the railway. "}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "] § * MR. CURZON said, his hon. Friend wanted to know whether they were going to employ their own officers or to do the work by contract. They would employ their own officers, with a view to keeping the work under their own control. A portion of the work might be required to be given to sub-contractors, but the principle on which they would proceed was to keep the control in their own hands. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "gret that the head of the Postal Department was not in that House. When they remembered that the employées of the Department numbered 138,000, and that the sums paid in salaries by the Department amounted to an enormous figure, the Committee, he thought, would agree with him that it was of the highest importance that the Postmaster General should be a gentleman having a seat in that House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "ch was only one-third of the distance that Australia was, and this postage pressed with undue severity on emigrants from Ireland and their friends in Ireland. If the postage to America was reduced, there would be a great increase in the number of letters. The rural postmen in Ireland had to walk 16, 18 or 20 miles a day, for 12s. a week, and that in all weathers. The climate had got fickle lately—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, Hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ass passenger accommodation on the North Western line did not arise on the Vote for the Postmaster General. § MR. POWER admitted that he had been engaged in \"tight rope dancing;\" still he hoped what he had said would lead the Secretary to the Treasury to consider the matter he had referred to. § MR. J. G. WEIR expressed his regret that the Postmaster General had not a seat in the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " it came practically to the same thing as if it were paid out of the Vote. The hon. Member also complained of the subsidies for mails, and no doubt under the present system we did pay more highly than if they were paid by the ordinary ship rates. But he would point out that the present system had great advantages. It was, he thought, an advantage that our mails should be carried by British ships. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Renewed cheers.", "preceding_text": "f the Vote. The hon. Member also complained of the subsidies for mails, and no doubt under the present system we did pay more highly than if they were paid by the ordinary ship rates. But he would point out that the present system had great advantages. It was, he thought, an advantage that our mails should be carried by British ships. [ Cheers. ] That was an encouragement to British shipbuilders. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "transmission of the mail bags from the train to the steamer. Instead of having men to carry the sacks of letters on their backs, why did not the Postal Authorities arrange to have the ordinary machinery in use in some places, even in the lower reaches of the Danube. To save time was to save money. Steamers of the railway companies provided good speed, and if steamers paid attention to the boilers—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "e the right hon. Gentleman was satisfied of the justice of this complaint, and that he would grant what was asked and put the matter permanently at rest. He was not bringing this question forward at this hour to-night without sufficient grounds. He was as anxious as hon. and right hon. Members opposite to get away for a holiday to Scotland or elsewhere, but he must stop and do his business first. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ministerial cries of \"No\"", "preceding_text": "than go into some room at the Admiralty and there exercise pressure on the First Lord. All he could say was that if the First Lord yielded to such pressure it would lead to a good deal of trouble in the House. This Vote was for 20 millions. It was the most important Vote in the Estimates, and, as it was impossible to discuss it adequately at such an hour, he asked that it be postponed till Monday "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers", "preceding_text": "t; THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY said, he would have preferred to see the four hours that had been spent on the Post Office Vote devoted to the Navy Estimates. But as neither he nor the House were able to control Parliamentary time, all he could do was to make arrangements which would best suit the convenience of Members, and ask them to aid him to the best of their ability in carrying them out. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ke arrangements which would best suit the convenience of Members, and ask them to aid him to the best of their ability in carrying them out. [ Ministerial cheers ]. The objection to the suggestion of the hon. Member for King's Lynn that the Navy Estimates should be postponed 1341 till Monday was that it would render it absolutely inevitable that the House should sit longer than it need otherwise. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " cheers ]. The objection to the suggestion of the hon. Member for King's Lynn that the Navy Estimates should be postponed 1341 till Monday was that it would render it absolutely inevitable that the House should sit longer than it need otherwise. [\"Hear, hear!\"] The hon. Member complained that all his holidays were taken. It was the one hope and ambition of the Government to lengthen his holidays. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "he Government to lengthen his holidays. [ Laughter. ] If it were the general feeling that these important questions could be discussed on Report, he saw no objection to that course, except that, the Speaker being in the Chair, a Member could only speak once on each Vote. But at this period of the Session, and after the lengthened Debates, that was almost as much as the House would desire to hear. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " their level best to get these Estimates through in something like decent fashion, and hon. Members should not try to burke them. The right hon. Gentleman, when in Opposition, not long ago objected to important Votes being pushed through without discussion, and what was sauce for the goose ought to be sauce for the gander. In the name of common sense, he urged the Government to take an extra day. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ministerial laughter and \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ander. In the name of common sense, he urged the Government to take an extra day. [\"Hear, hear!\"] Even in connection with the Post Office Vote that was carried by the Closure just now, he had several points which, in the interests of his constituents, he wished to put before the Government, but it appeared as if he and other Irish Members were to be denied the opportunity of opening their mouths. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " House over the Royal Naval Reserve, but there was one point to which he wished to refer. He had occasion to put a question as to the number of Reserve Engineers. They knew the number of Reserve Seamen round the coast. He had the official reply as to the Engineers, and he found that, after the mobilisation of the grand Fleet, Britain's pride, they had—how many assistant Engineers in reserve?—six. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": " hon. Member. He told the hon. Member that the Vote was divided into three parts— personnel, matériel, and contract; and it was not until the hon. Gentleman made his point clear, namely, that 1351 the Belleville boilers were purchased by contract, that he found, on reference to the Proceedings of the House, that the Vote had already been taken. § DR. TANNER I certainly took your words—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_text": "on. Members had refrained from making observations on account of an understanding, almost amounting to a compact, between the Leader of the House and those specially interested in the Votes. § MR. FLYNN also appealed to the hon. Member. 1353 § DR. TANNER wanted to know how far the Committee was to go on Did the Government wish to sit up all night? In a spirit of common Christian charity—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "nterested in the Votes. § MR. FLYNN also appealed to the hon. Member. 1353 § DR. TANNER wanted to know how far the Committee was to go on Did the Government wish to sit up all night? In a spirit of common Christian charity—[ Laughter ]—he appealed to the First Lord of the Treasury if the Committee reached Vote 12 to postpone the other Votes. There was no intention to obstruct the Votes. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "§ DR. TANNER wanted to know how far the Committee was to go on Did the Government wish to sit up all night? In a spirit of common Christian charity—[ Laughter ]—he appealed to the First Lord of the Treasury if the Committee reached Vote 12 to postpone the other Votes. There was no intention to obstruct the Votes. [\"Oh, oh!\"] If there had been such an intention, more Members would be present. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "harity—[ Laughter ]—he appealed to the First Lord of the Treasury if the Committee reached Vote 12 to postpone the other Votes. There was no intention to obstruct the Votes. [\"Oh, oh!\"] If there had been such an intention, more Members would be present. [ Laughter. ] * THE CHAIRMAN The hon. Member is now repeating his observations over and over again. I must request him to discontinue his speech. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order.\"", "preceding_text": "Orange Body on getting into power—for nobody boasted more of his Orange affinities, of his hatred of Popery and the priests, than the Under Secretary to the Admiralty—was to say that Celtic and Catholic Ireland should not have its share in the vernilment of the Navy. The Government had remitted their land policy to next Session, and now they were remitting their Naval policy to next Session also. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cries of \"When.\"", "preceding_text": "also. [ Cries of \"Order.\"] This was very unpleasant. Let the right hon. Gentleman say \"We will give you your training ship,\" and he would sit down. § MR. GOSCHEN I have said so. MR. T. M. HEALY With great respect, he has not said so. Let him get up and say so now and I will sit down. § MR. GOSCHEN I am going to give the training ship. I said so. Now let the hon. Member keep to his word. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Ironical Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": "de splendid seamen. § CAPTAIN DONELAN asked whether, if the Minotaur was not sent to Cork harbour, a vessel of the same size and class would be sent. § MR. GOSCHEN could not give an undertaking that a gunboat would be sent to Stornoway, but he would examine and see what could be done. In reference to the question about Cork, he did not see that the circumstances were precisely the same. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Loud cheers,", "preceding_text": "e and class would be sent. § MR. GOSCHEN could not give an undertaking that a gunboat would be sent to Stornoway, but he would examine and see what could be done. In reference to the question about Cork, he did not see that the circumstances were precisely the same. [ Ironical Irish cheers. ] Those ironical cheers rather led him to think the best thing would be not to answer questions at all—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Irish cheers.", "preceding_text": " be done. In reference to the question about Cork, he did not see that the circumstances were precisely the same. [ Ironical Irish cheers. ] Those ironical cheers rather led him to think the best thing would be not to answer questions at all—[ Loud cheers, ]—because it seemed only to prolong debate to do so. MR. T. M. HEALY said, that now they had a plain confession from the right hon. Gentleman, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "the best thing would be not to answer questions at all—[ Loud cheers, ]—because it seemed only to prolong debate to do so. MR. T. M. HEALY said, that now they had a plain confession from the right hon. Gentleman, [ Irish cheers. ] The Irish Party, on the faith of the assurances of the Liberal Government, voted 20 millions for the Navy. It was upon that Vote the strengthening of the Navy depended. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "After some further remarks, 1361 which were inaudible, owing to the Ministerial cries of \"Divide!\" the hon. Member moved to report progress and ask leave to sit again.", "preceding_text": "ely hoped the hon. Member for South Antrim, who now, as Financial Secretary, received a salary of £2,000, would help his fellow-countrymen to do for Irish harbours what Irish money might reasonably be expected to do. The ship Minotaur he knew very well. She and her sister-ships belonged to the superannuated class, but they might be made use of at the present time for the training of young seamen. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "training ship. That was the fulfilment of the pledge of the late Administration. Out of the 20 millions that were being voted, two millions would be Irish money, and it was not a thing to be sneered at. Probably the result of these efforts to obtain recruiting grounds for the Navy, and the expenditure of a proper share of the money in Ireland, would be that they would be described as obstructives—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/aug/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/aug/30/class-v", "section": "class-v", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " for it. 1364 § MR. FLYNN said, the First Lord had made matters worse, because he had given no distinct or definite promise. If progress were, reported, the right hon. Gentleman would have time to consider what he should say more definitely. § MR. GOSCHEN said, that to speak of his having substituted a 200-boy ship for an 800-boy ship was a monstrous misconstruction of what he had said. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/10/the-local-government-scotland-bill", "section": "the-local-government-scotland-bill", "cue_text": "Ministerial cries of \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "bolition of the Standing Joint Committee. That Committee had two functions: A pecuniary function—to safeguard the expenditure of capital; and an administrative function, in the way of control of the police. The Secretary for Scotland knew very well that that would make the Bill a highly contentious measure, and last year he dropped that clause as a condition of being allowed to go into Committee. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/10/the-local-government-scotland-bill", "section": "the-local-government-scotland-bill", "cue_text": "Ministerial Cries of \"Oh?\"", "preceding_text": "ich might be unpalatable. Could credit be 817 claimed for having adhered to such concessions subsequently. Where a man had made a bad bargain and paid the price, he must stick to it. That was one thing, but it was a different matter where they allowed themselves to be overruled and pressed from behind into a position in which they were completely unable to assert themselves and carry their point. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/10/outdoor-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "outdoor-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " give some explanation on behalf of his hon. Friends the Members for Peckham and Islington. The hon. Member for Peckham laid great stress on the fact that at the present moment there was no distress in Ireland; on the contrary, the demand for labour was greater than the supply. They were compelled to fall back on the conclusion that this was an indemnity Bill. § MR. C. DIAMOND (Monaghan, N.) "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/10", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/10/outdoor-relief-ireland-bill", "section": "outdoor-relief-ireland-bill", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Order!\"", "preceding_text": "aghan had spoken of the Members of the Opposition wasting the time of the House as if hon. Members for Ireland had never wasted one moment of their times. The Chief Secretary had met the objections of the hon. Member for Kingston on the good old plan of accusing him of not having read the Bill, an assertion which he presumed the right hon. Gentleman did not believe for one moment when he made it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": " loud cheers shortly before half-past Three o'clock, said: Mr. Speaker, it is my duty, before questions, to make an announcement to the House, because I think that that announcement will show that questions for to-day should be deferred. The Division of last Friday night upon the Army Vote for the War Office was, in fact, a direct Vote of Censure upon the Secretary of State for the War Department—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Loud and general cheers.", "preceding_text": "o the House, because I think that that announcement will show that questions for to-day should be deferred. The Division of last Friday night upon the Army Vote for the War Office was, in fact, a direct Vote of Censure upon the Secretary of State for the War Department—[ cheers ]—than whom I will take on me to say no more able, more respected, or more popular Minister ever filled that great post. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ct, a direct Vote of Censure upon the Secretary of State for the War Department—[ cheers ]—than whom I will take on me to say no more able, more respected, or more popular Minister ever filled that great post. [ Loud and general cheers. ] I need hardly say that the Government absolutely associated and identify themselves with the responsibility of my right hon. Friend and his Army administration. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "General cheers.", "preceding_text": "ords. Well, Sir, that is all that is necessary or proper that I should say upon the present occasion on the business of this House. Before I sit down I hope I may be permitted to say a few further words before I leave this place. In quitting office I relinquish also a position which I have always regarded as one of greater responsibility and higher obligation even than any office under the Crown. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Opposition cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "nt occasion on the business of this House. Before I sit down I hope I may be permitted to say a few further words before I leave this place. In quitting office I relinquish also a position which I have always regarded as one of greater responsibility and higher obligation even than any office under the Crown. [ General cheers. ] It has always been my aim, unequal as I have felt myself to the task—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers", "preceding_text": " to say a few further words before I leave this place. In quitting office I relinquish also a position which I have always regarded as one of greater responsibility and higher obligation even than any office under the Crown. [ General cheers. ] It has always been my aim, unequal as I have felt myself to the task—[ Opposition cries of \"No!\"]—to maintain the ancient dignity and the great traditions—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers", "preceding_text": "no ordinary difficulty, I have received great and necessary assistance. I desire to tender to the Gentlemen with whom I have the honour to act my grateful thanks for the constant, the unfailing, and the generous support which I have received from them in the duty which has been devolved upon me. I desire also to acknowledge the courtesy which I have invariably received from my political opponents—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "General cheers.", "preceding_text": "ived from my political opponents—[ Opposition cheers ] 1748 —and, Sir, if it be not too presumptuous to adopt the words of one of my most illustrious predecessors, I would ask leave to say that for every man who has spent his life in the noble arena of Parliamentary conflict, the chiefest ambition must always, whether in the majority or in the minority, be to stand well with the House of Commons. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ition must always, whether in the majority or in the minority, be to stand well with the House of Commons. [ General cheers. ] § MR. A. J. BALFOUR (Manchester, E.), who was received with loud Opposition cheers, said: Sir, everybody, on whichever side of the House he may sit, will have heard with sympathy and emotion the touching words with which the right hon. Gentleman concluded his speech. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "cheers", "preceding_text": "d to us who sit on this side of the House, still less to those who sit on the other, he has not appealed in vain for our sympathy and for our approval of the object which he has always had in view as a Parliamentary leader. Whatever we may think of the policy of the Government which he leads in this House, we all recognise the right hon. Gentleman as one of the greatest ornaments of this Assembly "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Loud Opposition Cheers.", "preceding_text": "udges of whether they can or cannot properly under the existing circumstances continue to be responsible for public affairs, while I have no title to criticise the interpretation they have put upon the Vote of last Friday, I should have thought that, taking the view they do, the proper and constitutional course for them to have adopted would have been to advise Her Majesty to dissolve Parliament. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Ministerial Cheers.", "preceding_text": "the view they do, the proper and constitutional course for them to have adopted would have been to advise Her Majesty to dissolve Parliament. [ Loud Opposition Cheers. ] It must be admitted by all that for a Government in the position of that of which the right hon. Gentleman is a Member to resign is practically equiva- 1749 lent to a determination to put the burden of Office upon the Opposition. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e present Home Secretary, which Vote of Censure was carried by a substantial majority. So that what in effect the right hon. Gentleman appears to desire is that those whose policy has already been deliberately censured by this House of Parliament should never theless endeavour to wind up the business of the Session. Sir, I do not think that is in accordance with the best constitutional traditions "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/resignation-of-ministers", "section": "resignation-of-ministers", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "fore, the departure from ordinary practice which has induced the right hon. Gentleman to except that Bill from the general proscription which he has made against business, whether it be public or private. For whatever may be the issue of the present crisis, of which I myself venture to make no forecast, it is evident that that Bill, at all events, ought to pass into law without unnecessary delay. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "section": "seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "h Canada objected was the clause in the old Bill, which threw on the owner and master the onus of proof that a ship found in the prohibited area with sealing implements on board, was not there for an illegal purpose. That clause had been struck out and was not inserted in the present Bill, and the onus of proof would henceforth rest, not on the owner or master, but on those who seized the vessel. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "section": "seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "bited area with sealing implements on board, was not there for an illegal purpose. That clause had been struck out and was not inserted in the present Bill, and the onus of proof would henceforth rest, not on the owner or master, but on those who seized the vessel. [\"Hear, hear!\"] Those objections having been met, he believed the Bill would have the substantial support of the Canadian Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "section": "seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter and cries of \"Order.\"", "preceding_text": "eign Affairs, though he approved of the sections of the Merchant Shipping Act applying to the Bill being scheduled in it. The question was a practical one, and, perhaps, on reconsidering the matter, the Govern- 1752 ment might consent to the schedule being inserted by the Lords. § DR. TANNER (Cork, Mid) Mr. Chairman, I rise to move that you do now report Progress, and ask leave to sit again. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "section": "seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "cue_text": "Loud cries of \"Order.\"", "preceding_text": "e, and, perhaps, on reconsidering the matter, the Govern- 1752 ment might consent to the schedule being inserted by the Lords. § DR. TANNER (Cork, Mid) Mr. Chairman, I rise to move that you do now report Progress, and ask leave to sit again. [ Laughter and cries of \"Order.\"] Seeing that the Irish Land Bill is not to be proceeded with, I do not see why the Seal Fisheries Bill should be taken. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "section": "seal-fisheries-north-pacific-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "t might consent to the schedule being inserted by the Lords. § DR. TANNER (Cork, Mid) Mr. Chairman, I rise to move that you do now report Progress, and ask leave to sit again. [ Laughter and cries of \"Order.\"] Seeing that the Irish Land Bill is not to be proceeded with, I do not see why the Seal Fisheries Bill should be taken. [ Loud cries of \"Order.\" ] THE CHAIRMAN I cannot put that motion. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/24/adjournment", "section": "adjournment", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " MR. ASQUITH Until to-morrow. It is a matter of arrangement between the two sides of the House that the House should adjourn now until tomorrow, when all Committees and other bodies will meet in the ordinary way. § SIR RICHARD TEMPLE (Surrey, Kingston) asked, whether the Committees would sit on Wednesday? § MR. ASQUITH It may be for somebody else to dispose of the Business on Wednesday. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/25", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/25/adjournment-of-the-house", "section": "adjournment-of-the-house", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ock and was greeted with loud Ministerial cheers. He immediately rose and said,—Mr. Speaker, I was in hopes that I should have been able to give the House some more definite information than is at present in my possession. Under these circumstances I think the best course I can now take is to move the Adjournment of the House. Several hon. MEMBERS Until when? § SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT Tomorrow. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/jun/25", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/jun/25/adjournment-of-the-house", "section": "adjournment-of-the-house", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "SIR RICHARD TEMPLE (Surrey, Kingston) May I ask whether an important Parliamentary Committee will have leave to sit to-morrow? Will the right hon. Gentleman arrange for a Motion to be made to enable the Committee to sit to-morrow? § SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT There will be no alteration in the ordinary practice. We are merely moving the adjournment of the House at this hour instead of at midnight. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/22/established-church-wales-bill", "section": "established-church-wales-bill", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: \"He was against Disestablishment.\"", "preceding_text": "? He used to be the champion of the Welsh Church in the House, but his voice has not been heard in this Debate. In Denbighshire there was Sir Watkin Wynn, in East Glamorganshire Mr. Lewis, in South Glamorganshire Sir Morgan Morgan, in Montgomeryshire Captain Mytton, in Pembroke Boroughs General Laurie, in Pembrokeshire Sir C. Phillips, in Radnorshire Mr. Bradney, and in Swansea Sir John Llewelyn. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/22/established-church-wales-bill", "section": "established-church-wales-bill", "cue_text": "Nationalist interruption, and cries of \"Dungarvan!\" from Mr. SWIFT MACNEILL.", "preceding_text": " and fearless discharge of their highest duties. If he wanted proof of that he should turn to the history of one of the noblest of the voluntary Churches, the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland—a Church rich in examples of perseverence under the bitterest persecutions and the greatest difficulties, but the devoted clergy of which, dependent on their flocks as they were, had been dragged after them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/22/payment-of-members", "section": "payment-of-members", "cue_text": "Ministerial Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ages. Already there were indications that another system was growing up; but if there were payment of Members there would be in every constituency such a rush of candidates, mainly drawn from the Liberal Party, and therefore a great source of political advantage to the Conservatives that they must inevitably institute the second ballot, and, indeed, in some cases a third ballot might be required. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/22/payment-of-members", "section": "payment-of-members", "cue_text": "Cries of \"Oh!\" and cheers", "preceding_text": "the House of Commons is most injurious to this Empire, and I hope that language of that insulting character will be repudiated by every right-thinking Member of this House. I will say the same thing of the unjust imputations cast from the other side of the House, apparently with approbation, upon that great body the County Council of London, who are doing a great and good work for this Metropolis—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/22/payment-of-members", "section": "payment-of-members", "cue_text": "Ministerial Cries of \"He is not a working man;\" and Laughter", "preceding_text": "ies will return them. Is there not some hypocrisy among hon. Members opposite on this question? When working men have come forward prepared to sit in this House, notwithstanding that they are not paid, have hon. Members opposite, their leaders and organisers, made the necessary efforts to secure their return? Look at Bristol. There was an opportunity for a working man to be elected to this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1895/mar/22", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1895/mar/22/the-manning-of-the-navy", "section": "the-manning-of-the-navy", "cue_text": "Lord BRASSEY: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "cy of the vessel in regard to speed would be lost. It is, therefore, incumbent on the Admiralty to see that these torpedo vessels not only have officers highly trained, but engine-room artificers and stokers equally highly trained. I mention this to show the absolute necessity for maintaining a large number of highly-trained men in the Navy. I do not think my noble Friend will disagree with that. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/28/england-and-france-in-africa", "section": "england-and-france-in-africa", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " available occasion, to bring these matters before the Committee, because it was not merely the reputation of a Foreign Minister or of Her Majesty's present Government but the reputation of England that was at stake. It had not been the custom of English Ministers to let their act fall behind their word; their custom had been rather the reverse. Lord Rosebery, however, had run away from his word. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/28/england-and-france-in-africa", "section": "england-and-france-in-africa", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "RE (Northampton) said, the interesting historical résumé of the hon. Gentleman with 417 regard to the transactions on the banks of the Mekong was unimportant in comparison with the speech of the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs with regard to what it was contemplated to do on the banks of the Nile. The speech of his hon. Friend was a speech of menace addressed to France. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/mar/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/mar/28/england-and-france-in-africa", "section": "england-and-france-in-africa", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "er the Egyptian 418 campaign Egypt wished to retain the Soudan, but the English Government of that day would not recognise any sort of claim on her part to the Soudan except such portions as Suakin and one or two little ports on the Red Sea. His hon. Friend said France must understand that if she wished to maintain friendly relations with us she must not come anywhere near the Valley of the Nile. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/24/the-opium-commission", "section": "the-opium-commission", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ed them in carrying out its work. I do not care to waste the time of this House with reference to what I call irrelevant matter, but I have a duty to perform to my absent friend Lord Brassey and to the other members of that Commission, and I have also a duty to perform to those servants of the Indian Government who have no means of defending themselves against the attacks made upon them to-night. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/24/the-opium-commission", "section": "the-opium-commission", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ending themselves against the attacks made upon them to-night. [ Cheers. ] And, Sir, I venture to say the most experienced Member of this House, the man who has known most of Royal Commissions, perhaps the man who has sat most frequently upon them, has never heard a Royal Commission attacked in the way and to the extent, and, as I venture to say, so groundlessly as has been this Royal Commission. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/24/the-opium-commission", "section": "the-opium-commission", "cue_text": "A Voice —\"Shameful.\"", "preceding_text": "r greatest Prime Ministers declared, amid the cheers of the House of Commons, inflicted on the nation more terrible evils than war, pestilence, and famine combined. Is it true, when you say it is morally indefensible to raise money from the restriction and regulation of the sale of a stimulant in India, that you are raising between £30,000,000 and £40,000,000 a year revenue from a similar source? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/24/the-opium-commission", "section": "the-opium-commission", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear,\" from several Radical Members.", "preceding_text": " revenue arising from it amounted to Rx. 6,965,000, in 1893–4 it was Rx. 5,746,000, and in 1894–5 it was Rx. 6,661,000. If the cultivation is stopped, where is the deficit to come from? The House of Commons is always practical, especially in matters of finance. The House of Commons never takes off a tax unless it is certain that there can be a corresponding reduction of expenditure. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/24", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/24/the-opium-commission", "section": "the-opium-commission", "cue_text": "Sir R. TEMPLE: \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "re you going to guard the frontier from smuggling? Remember that this opium is easily concealed and would be a profitable commodity to get across the frontier. The duty is more than two-thirds of its cost. Some of my Friends opposite know a great deal more than I do as to the extent of the frontier line that would have to be guarded, but I am told by experts that it would be at least 5,000 miles. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1895/may/24", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1895/may/24/uganda", "section": "uganda", "cue_text": "Lord STANMORE: \"Hear, hear?\"", "preceding_text": "he circumstances of that portion of Africa have been such that our Acting Commissioner has been principally employed in defending the protectorate against a very serious attack from a considerable party in its immediate vicinity. Nearly the whole of the time and exertions of our Acting Commissioner have been directed to the carrying on of a difficult and serious war. He deserves the utmost credit—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "lords/1895/may/24", "house": "lords", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1895/may/24/uganda", "section": "uganda", "cue_text": "The Earl of ROSEBBET: \"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e circumstances it can scarcely be expected that Colonel Colville, who after all was only an Acting Commissioner, should proceed to make those elaborate reports which my noble Friend seems to have expected from him. If the noble Lord thinks that in the composition of this Blue Book a number of important despatches have been kept back, I can assure him that that is absolutely contrary to the fact. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/provisional-order-bills", "section": "provisional-order-bills", "cue_text": "BY ORDER.", "preceding_text": " PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (LLANGOLLEN) [H.L.]—(Bill 294.) § ELEMENTARY EDUCATION PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (LONGBENTON). [H.L.]—(Bill 295.) § ELEMENTARY EDUCATION PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (WILMINGTON). [H.L.]—(Bill 296.) § ELEMENTARY EDUCATION PROVISIONAL ORDER CONFIRMATION (CROYDON). [H.L.]—(Bill 297.) § WESTMINSTER (PARLIAMENT STREET, ETC.) IMPROVEMENTS BILL "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "Several HON. MEMBERS: \"Who is the contractor?\"", "preceding_text": "p up a large staff in proportion to the takings, and he had to do a good deal of work in removing the chairs continually when large meetings and other events occurred. There were, no doubt, outgoings which prevented the bargain being so good as some might think. The system had existed for some time, and he could not say he had had occasion to look into it closely; but he would undertake to do so. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "Several HON. MEMBERS: \"By public tender?\"", "preceding_text": "st be an enormous revenue derived from 668 the lending of them. How did the contractor obtain the right? Was it granted by the Ranger or by the First Commissioners? The wooden chairs could be bought for 2s. or 3s. each. There must be an enormous revenue made out of the transaction, and it ought not to be the monopoly of one man. § MR. HERBERT GLADSTONE The contract was granted some time ago. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "An hon. MEMBER: \"There is nothing wrong.\"", "preceding_text": "MR. ALPHEUS MORTON hoped his right hon. Friend would try to induce his officers and their officers to look after these matters, and not to stand in the way of all improvement. His right hon. Friend had himself admitted that these officers had at last altered the water cisterns. Why was not that done years before, as the sanitary officers compelled the owners of every little cottage outside to do? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": " towards the Porte, rather than run the terrible risk they have run of being misguided by the very superficial and most unstable co-operation of France and Russia. These points were important, and merited the attention of Parliament and the country. He was aware that the rejoinder that would probably be made to him was, that he was speaking for 696 himself, and for himself only, on this question. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "\"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "r been stated in the House by the Under Secretary on behalf of the High Commissioner, and it was not such a monstrous thing that an hon. Member should bring them forward and show the necessity for fuller and more rapid information from that quarter of the world. Any hon. Member who knew anything of South Africa personally knew that the name of the Colonial Office absolutely stank in South Africa. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/may/30", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/may/30/civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "section": "civil-services-and-revenue-depart-ments", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\" and laughter", "preceding_text": "there? They signed on tinkers, and tailors, and carters who had never smelt salt water. He had met a tailor going about his ordinary business with his flat iron, and had seen that same man signed on a few hours later as an able-bodied seaman. He had also heard of a carter who was signed on and went on board with his hob-nail boots, and it took the ship's carpenter two days to remove the hobnails. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/ministers-and-directorships", "section": "ministers-and-directorships", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "held by 24 Members of Her Majesty's Government have been resigned by their holders, and how many are still retained by them? § THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,) Manchester, E. I have no information at my disposal which will enable me to answer 1544 my hon. Friend, nor do I know that any estimate could be arrived at unless I sent round a series of questions to my colleagues. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "icials, but I said they must be rather slow in sending information home, because Ministers have on several occasions stated in this House that information had not been received on important questions connected with the Transvaal. I must remind the right hon. Gentleman that I have not said one-half with regard to our officials what he himself said with regard to Sir Hercules Robinson last Session. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "eatment of the natives. I give my hon. friend the assurance which he asks. I will endeavour to carry out an impartial inquiry into this matter, and I really think my hon. friend might wait until that inquiry has been completed and the result of it known, before again repeating in this House ex parte accusations which he has so constantly made and which up to the present time have not been proved. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": " general charge which has been brought by my hon. Friend against me—dissatisfaction with the amount of information I have hitherto been able to give—he assures me that that dissatisfaction is not only entertained and vigorously expressed by himself, but also by his colleagues on these Benches and by hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House. I do not for a moment believe that that is the case—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropria-tion-bill", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "o give—he assures me that that dissatisfaction is not only entertained and vigorously expressed by himself, but also by his colleagues on these Benches and by hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House. I do not for a moment believe that that is the case—[ Cheers ]—and, until I have some further evidence than the utterances of the hon. Member I shall continue the course I have already pursued. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "in the midst of a vast mountainous region, which is closed in for six or eight months in the year by inaccessible and impassable mountains. It contains a population of between 80,000 and 100,000, and its extreme length at one point is upwards of 200 miles. Now, the capital of this State, the fort of Chitral, which was the scene of the splendid defence which caused the admiration of all Englishmen—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "e Secretary of State. It seems to me that when the Secretary of State lays a 1589 Dispatch no the Table of this House to which Dispatch there were dissents those dissents should accompany the Dispatch, so that the House should be in a position to know whether the Dispatch was or was not unanimous, and what were the reasons which induced certain Members of the Indian Government to dissent from it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "sed the new Mehtar it was undesirable that he should remain any longer in Chitral. Dr. Robertson left, but he deemed it desirable to leave Captain Younghusband and Lieutenant Gurdon behind him. In June, 1893, he presented a very interesting Report, which showed what was his opinion then. I thank the Government for giving us that Dispatch, but we have not got Sir George Robertson's Report in 1895. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "duty was to rescue Dr. Robertson. I did not hesitate myself; on March 8, I received for the first time an official intimation that Robertson was in danger in Chitral, and and on the same day I telegraphed:— I am prepared to approve such action for securing safety of Robertson and party as you may deem necessary. In other words, the Government of India had a free hand in order to rescue Robertson. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "hitral would, in the event of hostilities, be an advantage to an invading force and a disadvantage to a defending force. The late Government also came to the conclusion that Gilghit was sufficient, as a point of observation, and that to leave our main line of defence and to establish outposts and form depôts of supplies in distant mountain deserts would weaken the strength of our position. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "ce, and their fear of annexation. We have no more right in the district than we should have in Switzerland. Lord Roberts has stated that the whole fighting force of these tribesmen is about 200,000 men. Have the Government asked themselves whether it would not be better to have these tribes as independent allies, who would form another line of defence, rather than to have them as revengeful foes? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "have to be determined by this House, is, whether we are going to extend the frontier of India by at least 200 or 250 miles on the western side, in order to cover a large tract of country from which we can derive no possible advantage, and from which we can obtain no possible revenue, and in which we may be constantly embroiled with independent tribesmen, patriotically defending their native soil? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "t the road. According to the present computation, 5,000 or even 10,000 men would have to be interned in almost inaccessible districts, to whom supplies must be carried by pack animals, under enormous difficulties and at great cost. I am aware that the Government of India have said that they are not 1604 going to increase the Indian Army, but in that case the present Indian Army must be too large. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ifficulties and at great cost. I am aware that the Government of India have said that they are not 1604 going to increase the Indian Army, but in that case the present Indian Army must be too large. [\"Hear, hear!\"] I do not believe that that Army is too large, and, therefore, I hold that to lock up any part of it in a place from which it cannot be withdrawn if troubles arise would be most unwise. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ourse, that may be technically true—no one wants to add to our responsibilities, which are already sufficiently heavy; but if this Proclamation means, as it may undoubtedly be interpreted to mean, that, having opened up the essential and inevitable route to Chitral, we are going to allow it again to be closed, it will be difficult to find words to describe the melancholy fatuity of such a course. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Ministerial cheers.", "preceding_text": " melancholy fatuity of such a course. [\"Hear, hear!\"] * MR. CURZON said the sentence in his letter in the Times was based on an imperfect telegraphic summary of the Viceroy's Proclamation in that paper. He presumed that was correct, but when they read the Proclamation itself they found it contained a distinct limitation, in the first sentence of the Proclamation, to the people of Swat and Bajaur. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Opposition cheers.", "preceding_text": "sed on an imperfect telegraphic summary of the Viceroy's Proclamation in that paper. He presumed that was correct, but when they read the Proclamation itself they found it contained a distinct limitation, in the first sentence of the Proclamation, to the people of Swat and Bajaur. [ Ministerial cheers. ] § * SIR H. FOWLER It is addressed to Swat and Bajaur and to any other persons concerned. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers", "preceding_text": "th, recapitulating the whole case, says:— It is probable that this Proclamation was not without effect, at all events on the tribes in immediate contact with us. The native tribes did not combine against us. What was our danger? It was a holy war of religious fanaticism aroused, and the whole case proves there was no combination against us among the tribes, because they believed in British honour—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " Loss of prestige! Do you think these tribes do not understand and do not appreciate the brilliancy of the attack and the defence? But they will 1606 understand if you recede from your word, after you were allowed to pass over these terrific passes unopposed on the faith of the Proclamation. The prestige and honour of the British name will be still greater if we have the courage to keep our word. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " you were allowed to pass over these terrific passes unopposed on the faith of the Proclamation. The prestige and honour of the British name will be still greater if we have the courage to keep our word. [ Cheers. ] § * THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INDIA (Lord GEORGE HAMILTON,) Middlesex, Ealing Do I understand the right hon. Gentleman to say that Lord Elgin cannot be trusted to keep his word? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "r the Forest of Dean says his conscience was satisfied when he knew that the Indian Government unanimously recommended this policy of annexation. I am old enough a Mem- of the House to remember the speech the right hon. Baronet made on the evacuation of Kandahar, and the Indian Government unanimously objected. [Sir CHARLES DILKE: \"No, no!\"] I beg my right hon. Friend's pardon, but I say they did. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "cy of annexation. I am old enough a Mem- of the House to remember the speech the right hon. Baronet made on the evacuation of Kandahar, and the Indian Government unanimously objected. [Sir CHARLES DILKE: \"No, no!\"] I beg my right hon. Friend's pardon, but I say they did. [ Laughter. ] § * SIR C. DILKE (Gloucester, Forest of Dean) No, no. It was four to three. I will read the names presently. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cries of \"No!\"", "preceding_text": " We know what the opinion of Sir James Lyall and other preceding Governors of the Punjab was. What is the opinion of the present Governor of the Punjab—a man who, perhaps, is the greatest authority in that district, who knows the country and is responsible for the peace of the frontier? What has been the advice of Sir Dennis Fitzpatrick on the evacuation of Kandahar? I am sorry to weary the House—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " the strength of the garrison there. The only information the noble Lord has received is contained in a telegram dated August 4, which says:— The Conimander-in-Chief has been consulted on points in your telegram. First, we have avoided open negotiations with the tribes. The reports received from Low and Define warrant the confident expectation that a peaceful arrangement for the road can be made. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/chitral", "section": "chitral", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "India, and the noblest dependency of the British Crown. It is on behalf of that policy I venture, at this, almost the last hour of the Session, and in this exhausted House, to enter my humble protest against embarking on an enterprise which may be, and which in this case I conscientiously believe will be, a standing menace and a constant danger to the security and prosperity of the Indian Empire. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "eers in India were a most indefatigable body of men, and directly they had gained possession of and fortified one pass, they found another by which a few stray Cossacks might find their way to British India. Some of them would never be satisfied until Her Majesty's Government had hermetically sealed every mule-track across the immense region of mountain ranges extending from Quetta to the Pamirs. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " Some of them would never be satisfied until Her Majesty's Government had hermetically sealed every mule-track across the immense region of mountain ranges extending from Quetta to the Pamirs. [ Laughter. ] Then the adventurous traveller came upon the scene, like his right hon. Friend the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, who unfortunately was prevented from making any more voyages at present. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "of mountain ranges extending from Quetta to the Pamirs. [ Laughter. ] Then the adventurous traveller came upon the scene, like his right hon. Friend the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, who unfortunately was prevented from making any more voyages at present. [ Laughter. ] These travellers seemed to think that wherever they had once set foot, the British flag ought to wave for ever afterwards. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and laughter.", "preceding_text": "ds. [ Laughter. ] Unless strong pressure were put on the Government of India there would be someone proposing to occupy the territory along the other side of the river, and the road leading 1614 from the Hindu-Kush to Jellalabad, and the hospitable columns of The Times would be full of eloquent declamation about the noble mission of Great Britain in bringing every barbarian nation under its rule. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "e called a very self-sacrificing one, when it was done at the expense of the Indian taxpayer. If this country desired more responsibility in these directions, let her take it at her own risk and cost. Her conduct was of a piece with that of the Government in connection with the Shahzada, who received a generous invitation to become the guest of the British nation at the expense of the mild Hindu. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ditable thing to the present generation of Indian officials. Most of the other annexations not only paid nothing at all, but were very largely subsidised by the Indian Government. India now subsidised all Central Asia from the Indus to the Oxus. The Government either enlisted men of these border tribes in our army and continually increased their pay, or else paid them blackmail to keep the peace. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " an emergency. All the taxes were paid by the industrious traders and merchants of the plains; and nearly the whole of the revenue was spent 1615 away from them. Of the 50 millions of revenue, fully one-half went to England, and a very large proportion of the remainder was spent upon troops and expeditions on the frontier, so that the money did not go back to the people who paid the taxes at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": ". Friends have proposed and seconded is so intimately connected with questions relating to Chitral, that upon it I am able to reply to the speech which the right hon. Gentleman has just made. We all welcome back to the House the hon. Member for Cardiff. He always speaks with authority on Indian questions, and, although I cannot agree with all he has said, everything he says is worth listening to. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\" and a laugh.", "preceding_text": "led us to Chitral. He then proceeded for another hour to attack in the most violent terms, from financial, military, moral, and political points of view, the decision at which we have recently arrived; and, having occupied so much of the time of the House in this denunciation, he concluded by observing that the House was not in possession of sufficient information to enable it to form a judgment. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "cheers.", "preceding_text": " observing that the House was not in possession of sufficient information to enable it to form a judgment. [\"Hear, hear!\" and a laugh. ] I listened with great regret to the right hon. Gentleman's speech. These frontier questions are very difficult, whether you go back or go forward. The right hon. Gentleman quoted many authorities, but the one authority he did not quote was the Indian Government. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "inancial, or moral, was at once accepted by him as an authority, and the statements made to him were publicly paraded in the House of Commons as reasons why we should refuse the proposal of the Indian Government. \"But if,\" said the right hon. Gentleman, \"I am wrong, I shall be very glad.\" Now, there is risk, and there always will be risk, attending our Empire in India, and we must face that risk. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "cheers.", "preceding_text": "ents, both at home and in India. When Dr. Robertson was caught at Chitral, in pursuance of this accepted policy, the right hon. Gentleman 1622 very properly ordered a large force to his relief, and I entirely agree with the right hon. Gentleman that it is a matter of national congratulation that such heroic tenacity was shown by the troops, and that the siege was raised with such dash and daring. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "sponse to the instructions received from the Secretary of State, wrote at 1623 length their views. Chitral had only just been relieved, and I doubt whether they had had any direct personal communication with any officials there, so that they were very much in the dark as to what the consequences of their policy might be, but they were absolutely unanimous in recommending the retention of Chitral. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "irected the Indian Government to send arrived, and on that day the late Ministry resigned. They never considered the alternative proposals in any 1624 shape or form, and I contend it is ridiculous for any Government, or any body of responsible men, to pretend that they have settled a difficult question by vetoing the only workmanlike proposal put forward without ever considering the alternatives. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ringing supplies from Kashmir is very heavy. If we abandoned Chitral the cost of maintaining Gilghit would be the same as before, although our main object in maintaining it would have gone. The difficulties did not end there. The right hon. Gentleman described the condition of Chitral before we went there as one of dynastic murder and civil war. That would be the condition, of Chitral if we left. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " we had left Chitral we should have lighted a fire there which would be unlimited in the extent of the area over which it might spread. The mere fact of our retiring 1626 before the face of the whole world and admitting that we were unable to perform the duties we had practically undertaken would have been an invitation to the neighbouring Power to step in and perform the duties we had abandoned. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "terling, £13,000, of which one-fifth would go to permanent works. I cannot help thinking that the late Government were so anxious to get out of Chitral that they did not want to be accurately informed on these points. HON. MEMBERS Surely your figure is wrong. § LORD GEORGE HAMILTON What did I say? § SIR W. HARCOURT You said £13,000. § LORD GEORGE HAMILTON Oh! it should be £130,000. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "tleman, which was for making the road alone, whereas of the £130,000 one-fifth is for a permanent buildings. The most serious part of the speech of the right hon. Gentleman was his indictment of the Indian Government with reference to the Proclamation. I cannot understand how anybody holding the views of the right hon. Gentleman can be content with simply making a speech and moving no Resolution. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": ". Gentleman was his indictment of the Indian Government with reference to the Proclamation. I cannot understand how anybody holding the views of the right hon. Gentleman can be content with simply making a speech and moving no Resolution. [\"Hear, hear!\"] If Lord Elgin cannot interpret his own Proclamation, if he is going dishonourably to break the terms of it, he is unfit to be, Viceroy of India. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "tent with simply making a speech and moving no Resolution. [\"Hear, hear!\"] If Lord Elgin cannot interpret his own Proclamation, if he is going dishonourably to break the terms of it, he is unfit to be, Viceroy of India. [ Cheers. ] I do not think it fair to come forward and talk about honourable adherence to engagements, and not put your charge in such definite shape that the Viceroy can meet it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "Viceroy of India. [ Cheers. ] I do not think it fair to come forward and talk about honourable adherence to engagements, and not put your charge in such definite shape that the Viceroy can meet it. [\"Hear, hear!\"] Lord Elgin framed that Proclamation and the Indian Government have interpreted it, and from first to last they have contended that it is no obstacle whatever to the course they propose. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " tribes are ready to fall in with the arrangements proposed. They are glad to get the money, and my belief is that the fruit of the expedition will be to induce the people to adopt more regular habits. I could not help smiling when I heard the right hon. Gentleman denounce the construction of roads. Why, 150 years ago he would have used exactly the same arguments against opening up the Highlands. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "ly in stopping useless expenditure, but it consists also in getting a good return for expenditure already sanctioned and incurred. The right hon. Gentleman was forced to sanction this expedition to Chitral. The valour, determination, and endurance of our soldiers accomplished great feats, and have immensely raised our prestige in that country. Why then throw away all the fruits of the expedition. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "al. The valour, determination, and endurance of our soldiers accomplished great feats, and have immensely raised our prestige in that country. Why then throw away all the fruits of the expedition. [\"Hear, hear!\"] It seems just as much the act of a spendthrift to throw away the legitimate consequences of a very large and necessary expenditure as to incur wholly useless and unnecessary expenditure. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "for Cardiff alluded. On the contrary, I believe we have now arrived at a settlement of our Indian frontier difficulties. We have, I think, by the arrangements sanctioned, utilised the results of 1629 the Chitral expedition, and my one wish now is, looking to the condition of Indian finance, to associate with the satisfactory settlement of those frontier questions a period of quietude and economy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "d how it has really altered the situation. The question is, as I said before, was this road, and is this road, a thing which ought to be made with a 1631 view to the occupation of Chitral? It is said that it is a very serious thing to come into conflict with the Government of India upon a subject of that kind. Yes, but English Governments have come into conflict with Indian Governments before now—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": "vernments have come into conflict with Indian Governments before now—[\"Hear, hear!\"]—as, for example, on the question of Kandahar. No one who heard it at the time will have forgotten the great speech made by Lord Hartington defending the evacuation of Kandahar against the opinion of the Government of India; and is there any man connected with the Government of India now who regrets that decision? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "om attacks upon her frontier by foreign nations. The great thing you have to fear is that you shall create discontent among the people of India. As long as you have the people of India your friends, satisfied with the justice and policy of your rule, your Empire there will be safe. You may rely on your Army, which has shown upon a recent occasion its vigour, its valour, and its indomitable pluck. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/indian-taxation", "section": "indian-taxation", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": " the system of examinations for the Indian Civil Service and the opium traffic. The latter resulted in the appointment of a Commission which entirely destroyed the case of the anti-opiumists. He hoped the House would not accept the Resolution of the hon. Member for Cardiff. So far as its principle went there was no great objection to it, but he feared it would cause embarrassment in time to come. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/import-duties-on-indian-cotton", "section": "import-duties-on-indian-cotton", "cue_text": "\"Hear, hear!\"", "preceding_text": " would be impossible in any way to pledge myself, but, even if it were within the bounds of possibility, I doubt whether it would be a proper course to pursue. If I were now 1668 to pledge myself to adopt the course suggested by the Motion it would naturally render every subsequent act of mine open to suspicion in India: I should be making promises which I might not afterwards be able to perform. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1895/sep/03", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1895/sep/03/import-duties-on-indian-cotton", "section": "import-duties-on-indian-cotton", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "e did not desire to be selfish in this matter. If it were proved that owing to the financial difficulties in India this course was inevitable they would acquiesce; but they asked that they should be put on an equality with India. and that if they were to make this sacrifice they should be assured that it 1672 was not for the benefit of manufacturers in India, but for our mighty Empire as a whole. "}