{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/national-insurance-act-1", "section": "national-insurance-act-1", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "ONAL INSURANCE ACT. (Hansard, 2 April 1913) Search Help HANSARD 1803–2005 → 1910s → 1913 → April 1913 → 2 April 1913 → Commons Sitting → NOTICES OF MOTION. NATIONAL INSURANCE ACT. HC Deb 02 April 1913 vol 51 c403 403 Mr. PIKE PEASE On behalf of my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for the Abercromby Division of Liverpool (Colonel Chaloner) I beg to give notice—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "tions which he in his discretion may think fit, without reference to judge or jury. To put it in another way, the Bill confers upon the Home Secretary the right to try and sentence prisoners for a new offence created by this Bill—the offence of being unwell partly through fault of their own—and to inflict upon them for that offence any punishment which he in his absolute discretion may think fit. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": " not speaking without the book. There is no limit whatever in the Bill to the number of times the Home Secretary may grant these so-called licences. Each of these licences is a fresh imprisonment, subject to conditions which have never been disclosed to Parliament or the country at large, but which are left to the discretion of the Home Secretary. I am, therefore, perfectly right in my statement. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "omen were asked to bear in mind, that whatever they might say must be discounted on the assumption that they were probably liars, that their motives were obviously unworthy, and that they, in fact, had declared war on society and against the Government. He said their intention was to enrage public opinion against the law, and that too much credence must not be attached to statements made by them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "to defend themselves, and have done so with great skill. But it is not necessary to read all they have said. § Mr. M'CURDY I bow to your ruling, Sir, but the reason I read the extract in full was that in all these sensational cases the facts which I am now placing before the House of Commons for the first time are facts which I think were never before placed before the people of the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": " the 21st November, the window smashing occurred in Whitehall, 227 women were arrested and forcible feeding was again resorted to. The Bill came up on the 28th March, and two things happened. The Conciliation Bill was lost by fourteen votes, and £10,000 was subscribed in ten minutes at one meeting towards the funds of the women. I will not say anything in regard to what has happened in this House—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about passive resistance?\"", "preceding_text": "ir heads. An HON. MEMBER They have not lost it. § 6.0 P.M. § Mr. CHARLES ROBERTS I do not say they have, but if they have lost it, it is due to these actions. I think some responsibility for these actions also does rest upon the Opposition. You cannot preach disobedience to the law in one part of the United Kingdom without at the same time arousing the forces of disorder in other parts. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The Isle of Man.\"", "preceding_text": "mely difficult to say what you should do. It is easy to say that you should not let prisoners out before the sentences are completed and that you should certainly not let them die in prison, but I really do not see what else you can do except try some such experiment as that now proposed. If it fails, there might be some unsuspected place in the far-off seas to which you might deport these women. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "unnecessary. Clause 1 provides that the Home Secretary is to have power to release and that the release shall be temporary and conditional. To my mind, letting the prisoners out and bringing them back again is not going to attain the object which the right hon. Gentleman has at heart. His object in this measure is, as I understood from his speech, to crush out and bring to an end this propaganda. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "to have power to release and that the release shall be temporary and conditional. To my mind, letting the prisoners out and bringing them back again is not going to attain the object which the right hon. Gentleman has at heart. His object in this measure is, as I understood from his speech, to crush out and bring to an end this propaganda. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"] I think that is what he stated. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "tyrs. I think it is self-evident that the cause is that there is a denial of justice to those women, and that until you face that manfully and straightforwardly, and look into the cause of their injustice and of their distrust and of their distress, you will never be able to remedy the situation. Therefore I say that there is and can be only one remedy, and that is to grant the franchise to them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"What?\"", "preceding_text": "oes not succeed something stronger must be tried. Sir G. PARKER When I used the word \"stronger\" I think the House understood me to mean something more effective for the carrying out of the law. It had no reference whatever to forcible feeding. 458 § Viscount WOLMER If my hon. Friend only asks for something more effective I am heartily with him. I should like something more effective at once. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_text": "grave misconception on the part of the hon. Member for Gravesend. He says that you cannot deport these people, because it would be unfair to impose a penal settlement on any Crown Colony, and no self-governing Colony would stand one. That surely misses the point. We are not proposing the establishment of a penal settlement, because suffragettes are not criminals in the ordinary sense of the term. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "section": "prisoners-temporary-discharge-for-ill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_text": "er and evil was to do justice to women by giving them the vote. § Viscount WOLMER I submit that is another question altogether. I do think we must put an end to these crimes. It would not be right to do so by acceding to the demands of those who are committing 459 them. I believe the way to put an end to these crimes would be by removing the people who are committing them out of the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/tariff-reform", "section": "tariff-reform", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "m a pestilence, it is a description which is obviously applied to them under Free Trade. I should like to allude to a statement of a well-known authority upon this question, the Member for East Northamptonshire (Mr. Chiozza Money), who said that if wages have fallen it ought to be the first business of a nation, not merely to restore them to their old level, but to increase them above that level. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/tariff-reform", "section": "tariff-reform", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "sident Wilson as a victory for Free Trade. I do not think President Wilson would have thanked them for that. That is the charge his opponents brought against him to try and stop him from being elected. He had to deny it, and he rightly denied it. He said:— Neither I, nor the Democratic party, stand for Free Trade. That is the point in regard to which the Liberal party have been rejoicing so much. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/tariff-reform", "section": "tariff-reform", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"From foreign countries.\"", "preceding_text": "e matter very clearly a short time back. He said with a directness and a fearlessness which is some argument for the hereditary principle:— I am a food-taxer, meaning thereby that he was convinced it was in the interests of this country, and it was for the benefit of the Empire as a whole that we should place an import duty upon food stuffs which now come into this country free of any duty at all—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/tariff-reform", "section": "tariff-reform", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\" and an HON MEMBER: \"That is why they do not like it.\"", "preceding_text": "exceeding an average of 10 per cent. ad valorem on foreign manufactured goods imported into this country. Have they formed any sort of estimate of the sum of money that is going to produce? § Sir F. BANBURY As much as the Land Taxes. § Sir J. SIMON The hon. Baronet sets us a high standard. There is this distinction between the two cases: Increment Duty tends to increase as time goes on. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/apr/02", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/apr/02/tariff-reform", "section": "tariff-reform", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Half-past eleven.\"", "preceding_text": "mber's point. I recommend him on occasions when a large 523 number of Members are leaving the House to come nearer to the Chair. If there is no response when an Order is called, it is postponed by the Clerk at the table. § Mr. JOHN WARD There is a subject to which I wish to draw the attention of the House, but I am not sure whether I have half an hour from now or only until half-past eleven. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/05/clause-9-benefits-of-exempted-persons", "section": "clause-9-benefits-of-exempted-persons", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Speak up.\"", "preceding_text": "dment. On the previous Amendment I pointed out that Ireland was given elasticity which was not given to the rest of the United Kingdom. If we cannot secure that elasticity for England and Wales, let us at all events secure it for Scotland, and make it quite clear that what is impossible for England and Wales is possible for Scotland. § Mr. MASTERMAN This point is as clear as the noonday sun. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/05/clause-10-medical-benefit", "section": "clause-10-medical-benefit", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Certainly.\"", "preceding_text": "elonging to friendly societies who earn over £160 a year and who yet wished to have this medical treatment. I do not think that is the case. It is a very rare case. The case of secondary school teachers has been quoted. Is there a single secondary school teacher earning more than £160 a year who is himself attended or whose family is attended by a doctor provided for him under the Insurance Act ? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/05/national-insurance-act-1911-amendment-1", "section": "national-insurance-act-1911-amendment-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They pay partially.\"", "preceding_text": "are they to derive the medical benefit for which they have paid in this country? I shall be personally grateful to the right hon. Gentleman if he will explain how that is to be done. § Mr. MASTERMAN People who go to Ireland must comply with the conditions which prevail in Ireland. They cease to pay for medical benefit, and consequently they are not insured persons in respect of that benefit. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/war-in-balkans-statement-by-sir-edward", "section": "war-in-balkans-statement-by-sir-edward", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": " and another for the poor. I think that no more improper proceedings have ever taken place during the time I have been in this House than for Member after Member to get up in his place and ask that special privileges should be accorded to a gentleman merely because he had been a Member of this House. Why should we accord special privilege to Mr. Lansbury who is really setting the law at defiance? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/cardiff-railway-bill-lords-by-order", "section": "cardiff-railway-bill-lords-by-order", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "d voted in favour of this Bill going through the House by a majority of three to one. 2369 The House of Lords also examined the evidence in favour of the Bill for seven days, arid ultimately decided in favour of it. An hon. Member has said that the Lord Mayor of Cardiff had given evidence, but the city of Cardiff has gone further. The corporation of Cardiff have passed, I think, a unanimous vote. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/cardiff-railway-bill-lords-by-order", "section": "cardiff-railway-bill-lords-by-order", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Fourteen.\"", "preceding_text": "House by a majority of three to one. 2369 The House of Lords also examined the evidence in favour of the Bill for seven days, arid ultimately decided in favour of it. An hon. Member has said that the Lord Mayor of Cardiff had given evidence, but the city of Cardiff has gone further. The corporation of Cardiff have passed, I think, a unanimous vote. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] A vote of twenty to seven. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "efendant, and in so far as the hon. Member's charge rests upon a statement by defendant's counsel, the case must be dismissed. There is the statement of Mr. Travers Humphreys, who is reported to have described the prisoner, Queenie Gerald, as a procuress. But it is perfectly clear to anyone who reads the case that in using that term Mr. Travers Humphreys was merely speaking in a colloquial sense. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What was the charge?\"", "preceding_text": "een said that there was an original charge of a somewhat severe kind brought against the woman, but that, owing to the danger of the exposure of names, part of the charge was dropped, and only minor proceedings of a less severe character were taken against the woman at the Sessions. As a matter of fact, in the first instance the charge was a smaller charge than was ultimately brought against her. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_text": " this case, and charges were made that at the trial—although it was under my instructions proceedings were brought—I had suppressed names in order to conceal the fact that the names of some of my colleagues were included in the diary, I was able to reply that not a single name appeared in the diary or ledger, not only of any Member 2396 of the Government, but by good fortune and happy coincidence—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Name\" and Interruption.", "preceding_text": "at two persons might have the same name—that not a single one of the 670 hon. Members of this House was included. I only make that statement in order to repudiate the shameless calumnies that a certain newspaper— § Mr. J. WARD The \"Globe\" said it. § Mr. McKENNA Which I will not name, but to which I referred was and is, as to-the major part of it, owned by two hon. Members of this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/aug/12", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/aug/12/consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "section": "consolidated-fund-appropriation-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Name\"", "preceding_text": "e of the 670 hon. Members of this House was included. I only make that statement in order to repudiate the shameless calumnies that a certain newspaper— § Mr. J. WARD The \"Globe\" said it. § Mr. McKENNA Which I will not name, but to which I referred was and is, as to-the major part of it, owned by two hon. Members of this House. [HON. MEMBERS \"Name\" and Interruption.] I wish to repudiate "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "y out of the hands of the Church of England for historical and other reasons, it is nothing short of sacrilege to say, as you do say by this Clause, that it shall be no longer devoted to the advancement of Christianity in Wales. If the former was a process, as I venture to think it was, of robbing the Church, surely it would not be an exaggeration to describe what is now suggested as robbing God. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": " that long and unintelligible word \"eleemosynary\" are of a question-begging and nebulous character, and are inserted in order to afford some solace to uneasy consciences. But if they have any value that value is negatived by the words which follow, \"or public purposes of local or general utility.\" That would include anything from the maintenance of high roads to the provision of sewerage schemes. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": " hands for such useful, suitable and consonant purposes. It is left to these colleges to apply these funds to any secular purposes they choose. It is left to be devoted to the study of subjects and the promotion of objects which so far from being Christian in their character may actually tend to shake the faith of the student as a university education frequently has of many an unstable Christian. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "Ax HON. MEMBER: \"That has nothing to do with it.\"", "preceding_text": "he very mention of such objects casts ridicule upon the suggestion of such an allocation. It is not for me to denounce public libraries, because I have done my own small part in promoting libraries in my own district and in South Wales. Hon. Members know that the most popular section of any library is that devoted to fiction. I suppose the National Library of Wales is no exception in this respect "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER: \"Which bishop.\"", "preceding_text": "e been told that we were only guilty of a breach of trust, but now we are told that we are guilty of sacrilege. Up to the beginning of Clause 18 we were only guilty of robbing the Church, but after that we are told that we are guilty of robbing God. May I submit to the hon. Member opposite the words of a bishop upon this question, and I am sure that he will pay attention to the words of a bishop. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\"NO, no.\"", "preceding_text": "nded to be Christian purposes. I think there is a good deal of vagueness as to what are Christian purposes. It is held by some that these parish nurses and these educational institutions are Christian purposes. Let me put a test question to 2443 Nonconformist Members opposite—they are, as I think quite rightly, building up sustentation funds—they realise that the voluntary system has broken down. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO, no.\"", "preceding_text": "e dioceses of St. David's, within the last few years, over £100,000 has been raised for the one object of supplementing the stipends of the poor clergy in that diocese. My point is that whereas redundancy was alleged in the case of Ireland, it is certainly not the case in Wales. Not only is the Church in Wales poor, but the Nonconformists in Wales are poor. Religion is starved in Wales generally. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO, no.\"", "preceding_text": "ertainly in one-third of the parishes in the diocese of St. Asaph and one-third of the parishes in the diocese of St. David's—there is no resident Nonconformist minister. I am not saying there are no Nonconformists or no Nonconformist services there, but we may be perfectly certain that if they could afford to maintain a resident Nonconformist minister in those parishes they would actually do so. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Certainly; we do not want them.\"", "preceding_text": "is to get a resident and trained minister. § Mr. ELLIS DAVIES There is one district in North Wales where there has been strong opposition to a settled minister. 2446 § Sir A. GRIFFITH-BOSCAWEN Does the Committee really think that Nonconformity in Wales would put up with having about one-third of its parishes without a resident Nonconformist minister if they could afford to maintain one? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_text": " honestly believe that in the early days of the Church \"religious purposes\" covered a far wider field than they are at present able to allow. We believe that in the future, when this controversy has disappeared, that it will be possible for us all alike to regain that larger vision of life which makes it possible for the sincere man to believe that every good act can be done in a religious spirit—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "stem of higher education, better I believe than in any part of England. This Endowment will take away all that. As Artemus Ward said, there is a great deal of human nature in the world. What will happen if you give Endowments to hospitals? There is a London hospital that got a very large Endowment some years ago, and the result was that the subscriptions to that hospital went down at once because—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It was their own money.\"", "preceding_text": "hat the fund generally belonged to the Free Church and not to the United Church. You had the Report of a Royal Commission followed by legislation in 1901. What was the effect of that? You had the Endowments under the Scotch Act divided between the Free Church and the United Church, and the contest between the two Churches was not whether they should refuse the gift, but who should get most of it. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO, no.\"", "preceding_text": "merely national wishes or national wants, all of which undoubtedly have their proper place. I do hope that every man who cares for religion, to whatever denomination he belongs, will give his vote against this unprincipled proposal to secularise funds now devoted to devotional and sacred purposes. § Mr. HINDS The Committee has already decided that these Endowments belong to the whole nation. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/17", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/17/clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "section": "clause-18-application-of-residue-of", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "wn there, and of the public-houses from which over a thousand pounds a year of income to these funds is received at the present time. You cannot expect 2515 Nonconformity, holding the view that it does with regard to the licensed trade and to other abuses such as the slums we have there, to take over that property, under which those old abuses have arisen. You can find them in almost every parish—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/20/clause-19-first-fruits-and-tenths", "section": "clause-19-first-fruits-and-tenths", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "unty has a Parliamentary title is equivalent to saying that it has no title worth having to the property it now possesses. I only hope that if there are any Nonconformists present who accede to that argument they will take note of it, because the Scottish Settlement was by an Act of Parliament, and in 1905 a large sum of money was voted by Parliament to the Free Church and the United Free Church. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/20/clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "section": "clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "onged to her, what is it for which you really get support of your Bill? The support surely is given to you for this, that nothing you are prepared to do in this Bill will in any way limit the freedom of the Church, or limit her religious action, or things of that kind; that you really mean, by this Bill, to free her from all those trammels and limitations which are the corollary of State control. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/20/clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "section": "clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_text": "easily be remedied by a special Clause or a special Sub-section dealing with that question. We are dealing here with a question of high principle. I would like to say that this Clause, and the efforts hon. Members are making to get out of this Clause, is only another instance of the absolute impossibility of turning the Church into a voluntary association in a manner which they think is possible. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/20/clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "section": "clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": ", that it seems to be agreed on both sides of the House the main course to pursue in this matter, and it ought not to be beyond the ability of Parliamentary draftsmen to frame a Clause which will satisfy all parties in this House. § Mr. WYNDHAM I think that is so. I understand that, subject to existing powers under Clause 22, the Home Secretary desires to preserve the rights of parishioners. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/20", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/20/clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "section": "clause-22-saving-for-marriage-law", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": " of action. We want to do nothing that could in any way do violence to the traditions of the Church. I was much struck by the remark of the hon. and learned Member for Leamington when he spoke of a \"fetter\" of the Church. We are anxious to put the Church in 159 Wales on an exact equality with the Nonconformist bodies. I have sufficient faith in the fairness and statesmanship of the Home Secretary—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/criminal-law-amendment-act-flogging", "section": "criminal-law-amendment-act-flogging", "cue_text": "The hon. Member: In the question I handed in the word protected was in inverted commas.", "preceding_text": "ether his attention has been called to the sentences of thirty lashes and twenty-four lashes with the cat, 418 imposed by Mr. Justice Darling on two men who protected and lived on, and with, prostitutes; whether there is any maximum to the number of lashes that can be inflicted for this offence; and whether he will allow the public and Press to be present to witness the execution of the sentence? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/personal-explanation", "section": "personal-explanation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Where did you get it?\"", "preceding_text": "n, I am quite sure the hon. Gentleman will believe me when I say that I am sorry I have said so. At the same time, with regard to the oath of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, I can only say that this oath, as the hon. Member has said, was circulated all over the country. In common with nearly all other Members and candidates at the last General Election, I received a copy of this particular oath. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/personal-explanation", "section": "personal-explanation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Obligation.\"", "preceding_text": " not the particular oath of the order for members joining, whether the hon. Gentleman can supply to the House the actual oath they do take. § Mr. DEVLIN If the hon. and gallant Gentleman had listened to my statement, he would have heard me say that no oath of any sort or kind is taken. § Colonel HICKMAN I should have said declaration. May I ask the hon. Member if there is no declaration—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/personal-explanation", "section": "personal-explanation", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "ember if there is no declaration—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Obligation.\"]—no obligation of any sort which the members are supposed to take? § Mr. DEVLIN Yes, Mr. Speaker; if the hon. and gallant Gentleman desires it, I will read it to the House to-morrow. § Colonel HICKMAN Will the hon. Gentleman oblige the House by reading it now? § Mr. DEVLIN I shall read it if I can find it in the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/personal-explanation", "section": "personal-explanation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He has not finished\"", "preceding_text": "R That is not a proper observation to make. We cannot argue this matter out now. I would point out to the hon. Member that no Question is before the House. The hon. Member wished to make a personal explanation; he was listened to, and his personal explanation no doubt was accepted. § Mr. DEVLIN It was not accepted. § Mr. SPEAKER The hon. and gallant Gentleman rose to make his statement— "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/personal-explanation", "section": "personal-explanation", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO, no.\"", "preceding_text": "o accept the denial? In this case the hon. Member stated that this was the oath that the hon. Member for Belfast and his associates took. The Member for Belfast stated that it is not so, and that there is no such oath. Under those circumstances, is it not usual for Members of this House to accept a statement of that kind? § Mr. SPEAKER The hon. and gallant Gentleman did accept the statement. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/clause-35-interpretation", "section": "clause-35-interpretation", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "t, can speak no other language. Yet it is proposed in this Bill not to acknowledge that fact, but to leave it entirely out of account, in forming these representative bodies. This, I submit, is a grievous omission, and makes the Bill entirely a misrepresentation of what is the actual position in Wales. English speakers, it may be laid down as a general rule in Wales, are not even Disestablishers. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/clause-35-interpretation", "section": "clause-35-interpretation", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "e, because it 537 would touch his pettifogging theory of the Church in Wales being a separate entity from the Church in England, though the Church extends over England and Wales without interfering with the nationality of either. Is that beyond the grasp of the Home Secretary? He apparently cannot get out of his head that the Church in Wales is a separate little sect, like the Congregationalists. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/clause-35-interpretation", "section": "clause-35-interpretation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How?\"", "preceding_text": "bered Church in Wales shall be, and simply for the sake of this theory of Welsh nationality gone mad—though there is nothing contrary to the claim of Welsh nationality in the least—you are prepared to take away all legal basis from the governing body of the Church in Wales, and I hereby throw her affairs into chaos. I assert that hon. Members opposite are inflicting a cruel wrong upon the Church. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/clause-35-interpretation", "section": "clause-35-interpretation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_text": " in a proper manner, and to dispute its authority altogether. It is only a few weeks ago since the Home 539 Secretary himself did not scruple to say in this House that he was technically a member of the Church of England. As long as you get men who are prepared to make statements of that sort when they know perfectly well in the ordinary meaning of the language they are nothing of the sort at all—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/clause-35-interpretation", "section": "clause-35-interpretation", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How do you know?\"", "preceding_text": "ome 539 Secretary himself did not scruple to say in this House that he was technically a member of the Church of England. As long as you get men who are prepared to make statements of that sort when they know perfectly well in the ordinary meaning of the language they are nothing of the sort at all—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Why not?\"] Because they do not believe in the doctrines of the Church of England. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "section": "his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No,\" and \"Order.\"", "preceding_text": "ut to-night for the first time 578 of the various occasions when he has raised this question he has, I think, indicated both the source of his information and the reason of his activity. They both arise from the fact of Commander Carver's supersession. It is not very difficult for me to see the source of all this detailed information of a very partisan character, and a very exaggerated character. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "section": "his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_text": "ormation and the reason of his activity. They both arise from the fact of Commander Carver's supersession. It is not very difficult for me to see the source of all this detailed information of a very partisan character, and a very exaggerated character. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No,\" and \"Order.\"] § Sir FORTESCUE FLANNERY Exaggeration! [Holding up a portion of iron.] Look at this piece of the \"Torch.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jan/22", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jan/22/his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "section": "his-majestys-ships-torch-and-prometheus", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_text": " Minister in charge of the Department has to say on the subject, hon. Members should listen as well as speak. In crowded debates when there are only a few minutes time, it is very unfair to deny the Minister the chance of making an answer. I shall go on in my own way. The duty of Ministers and others who speak on this side of the House is to make certain that they are not bullied and intimidated. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "Cheers.", "preceding_text": "rney-General was qualified and not full. I must state what my opinion is of the case he presented to the House with regard to the most serious part of the indictment against them. What he regretted was not that partial disclosure to the House on 11th October, but that he had failed to perceive at that time and to appreciate how uncharitable, how censorious, and how suspicious the Opposition were. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "ut in the very forefront its reprobation of these charges and its satisfaction at their complete refutation. That, in any case, quite apart from what took place yesterday, would have been my first criticism of the hon. and learned Gentleman's Motion, and that, I have no doubt, is the reason which led my hon. and learned Friend (Mr. Buck-master), who moved the Amendment, to supply what was wanted. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about Lord Murray?\"", "preceding_text": ". They would have gone before the Committee. They made the offer to the Chairman, who was the proper person, and there can be no doubt in the mind of any hon. Gentleman I am addressing now, that both at the time of the Debate in October, and subsequently, my two right hon. Friends were not only willing, but ready and anxious to go before the Committee and disclose the whole of these transactions. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBFRS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "r in any other way, any interest in a Government contract which comes before you as a Minister—that is in regard to the making or execution of it—if you have any voice whether by way of advice or administration in making a decision or otherwise, you must disclose fully to your Parliamentary or administrative chief the nature of your interest and stand aside while the transaction is going through. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "pinion, and in the opinion of my right hon. Friends and colleagues, was not fully observed, though with complete innocence of intention, in this case. It has always been my opinion, and it is their opinion, as they told the House quite frankly, in the fullest and most manly way. The right hon. Gentleman, who spoke just now in what I thought, I confess, a some what censorious and ungenerous spirit—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And his wife's!\"", "preceding_text": "uer's statement know that the shares are his property. For all I know, he has paid off the loan. He certainly is in a position to pay it off. Everybody will accept his word in a matter of that kind. He went through an ordeal which I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman who is so severe in his censure of carelessness would attempt to do. He exposed his books and a complete list of his securities—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No!\"", "preceding_text": "most, if not quite as heavy as any such error has ever incurred. They have on the floor of this House, with perfect manliness, expressed their regret. My hon. and learned Friend, in the Amendment which he has proposed, asks the House to accept the statements which they made yesterday, including the admission of their error and an expression of their regret. That is the Amendment before the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the Postmaster-General.\"", "preceding_text": "e House. He began by an attack upon the Opposition for what he considered their want of generosity in not embodying in the Resolution, which was moved by my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Kingston, any formal condemnation of the calumnious charges of corruption which mere at one time in a small section of the Press directed against the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Attorney-General. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "this wretched subject could not be avoided wherever one went, unless one buried oneself in the heart of the desert of Sahara—arid in not one of those conversations from any man that I came across in personal intercourse in this House, or out of this House, did I ever yet hear the suggestion that either the Chancellor of the Exchequer or the Attorney-General had been guilty of personal corruption. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Two days \"", "preceding_text": "as not an investment. Whatever may have been the case with the second purchase of shares in May by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, a transaction which, I think, was only heard of in the January following, it is really ludicrous to describe the first purchase as an investment in any sense of the word. When you buy for investment, you do not sell within three or four days—I think it was three days—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Read it.\"", "preceding_text": "r example, \"That the Committee was not seized with the information as to the accounts of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, because the Members of the Committee had not had access to the private pass books of the wives of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Attorney-General.\" Surely, that is not taking that generous course which we could expect from him. § Lord ROBERT CECIL What did I say? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "ounting to half a million sterling in some cases are vested in one man who has the power of secretly administering these funds, and who has to give an account to no one as to how the funds are administered. We see in this very unfortunate transaction of Lord Murray the great danger to the State of these large funds being in the hands of one Member. Both political parties are in the same position. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ooley has found his place in prison. Mr. W. REDMOND What party did he support in his time? § Sir A. MARKHAM I am not referring to the funds of either political party; both political parties are in exactly the same position, as the hon. Member well knows. I see no more objection to Mr. Hooley sending £30,000 to the Conservative party to return him than to people buying honour for larger sums. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.", "preceding_text": "torney-General in the circumstances in which I was placed and in which he was placed. Just let me see what would have happened supposing I had made communication to the Chairman or to the members of the Committee, as has been suggested. Supposing I had gone to the Chairman, it would have been the duty of the Chairman to disclose to all the other fourteen members of that Committee the information. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Read them.\"", "preceding_text": "of the prevalence of these rumours. He did not allude to these rumours in the article of 20th July in any shape or form, and he only mentioned the rumours for the first time after they had been referred to on the 11th October very fully in the Debate in the House. § Sir A. MARKHAM May I now give the hon. Member the quotations. He will find them in questions 15,432–15,438, on page 104. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He did not say that.\"", "preceding_text": "ly regretted if any personal charge had been made. When I was asked whether there was any ground for libel, I said I should have very much regretted it upon that ground. 594 § Mr. FALCONER I am not concerned. The hon. Member really confirms all I said, that the paper was careful, in dealing with these charges to frame them so that no Minister should be in a position to take an action at law. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Over and over again.\"", "preceding_text": "a complete answer from his brother, which to him was satisfactory. Had he made a complete inquiry as to the agreement, he would still have found that the American company had no tangible interest in the agreement. Anything of the kind that might he suggested is of a shadowy nature, incapable of being stated, and no attempt 599 has been made to state it by the hon. and learned Member for Kingston. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "se on that matter. The Report says:— The first purchase of the shares in the American company took place on 17th April, 1912. 609 Then it deals with the point of time at which this transaction began, and goes on to say:— More than five weeks after the tender of the English company had beer accepted by the Postmaster-General and its acceptance had been published. In the popular sense that is true. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "dy of speculation. § Mr. FALCONER That is American capital. § Mr. DUKE There were several of these companies. They all took part in the same set of fluctuations on the Stock Exchange. The Attorney-General in the course of his examination made two illuminating statements about that. He said that they varied in their prices together—that is, that they rose and fell together almost always. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " the House of Commons was doing on the various dates when those speculative bargains were made, and it is not irrelevant to this inquiry. Ministers of State are the servants of the public, and if in a time of catastrophe such as that 613 which followed the \"Titanic\" disaster, and the first of these transactions was within two days of it, or a time of conflict such as that of the Welsh Church Bill "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "A laugh.", "preceding_text": "usness of that statement, that it must be that the thing should be disclosed. We were told of it last night, but has there been anything in the history of this House or of its Committees, or its dealings with its Members, which in recent times Members have regretted, much more than they have regretted, that two men whom. everyone of us admire, and whom none of us think to be capable of corruption—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Yes.\"", "preceding_text": "man is, going to adopt an Amendment which does not deal with this point in any way whatever, but it deals with a matter which is not before the House at all. The charge of corruption is not before the House, and yet the Prime Minister recommends his party and the House to adopt a Resolution which whitewashes the Ministers of corruption, a charge which no Member of the House has made against them. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS:\" Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "t was the Report of a man distinguished as much by sincerity as ability. The fault of the Noble Lord's Report was not a fault of will, and certainly not a fault of intellect; it was a fault of temperament. He is one of those sombre and suspicious men who, when discussing the affairs of opponents, quite honestly and sincerely feels confident that the worst interpretation is most likely to be true. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS:\" Oh, oh!", "preceding_text": "nt that the worst interpretation is most likely to be true. [Hon. MEMBERS:\" Oh, oh!\"] That is only an attack on temperament; it is not an attack on the Noble Lord's bona fides or sincerity. If I might say so, it is a true description. His temperament is such that he sees the evil, actual or possible, more strongly than he can see the circumstances which reveal what is good in a series of matters. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON MEMBER: \"When did von hear the rumours?\"", "preceding_text": "Members opposite have no right to say that the Opposition are responsible for these rumours in any way Ministers themselves have chosen to go and do things which are wrong from the public point of view, although we know that there is no corrupt motive. At the same time, if they will do these things, they must expect to have these rumours arising and they must expect such trouble as they have had. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER:\" Frankness.\"", "preceding_text": "t from all controversy that they had done it. That is our reason for not accepting the form of words which was submitted. The hon. Member who has just sat clown put pointedly to us a question which perhaps if I were more experienced I would not answer. He said, \"Do you wish to drive these men out of public life?\" I do not. It is not for me to judge what action it may be necessary for them to take—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON.MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "an investment. It is difficult to draw the line between speculation and investment, too, but I do not think it is difficult to draw the line here. I leave out of account what was said by my right hon. Friend about selling the shares two or three days after he had got them. Whether or not the purchase depends, technically depends on the nature of the security which you buy more than anything else. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!", "preceding_text": "d men in the City think of that kind of transaction? But I want to put another question. What do the men who have bought those shares at £4. or nearly £4, and find them now worth less than the Chancellor of the Ex- 648 chequer paid for them, what do they think when they find that perhaps the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the man who made the profit out of their folly in dealing with the matter. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no!\"", "preceding_text": "tion? But I want to put another question. What do the men who have bought those shares at £4. or nearly £4, and find them now worth less than the Chancellor of the Ex- 648 chequer paid for them, what do they think when they find that perhaps the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the man who made the profit out of their folly in dealing with the matter. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!] Is not all that true? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\" Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "ook care in regard to the party funds to do his best to prevent the matter coming to light. I welcome what the Prime Minister said to-day about Lord Murray. There is a French proverb: \"Those that are absent are always in the wrong.\" I know Lord Murray very intimately, I mean for a political opponent, and I have really no reason to suppose that he is any less honourable than any of his colleagues. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "I have put to the House, and which have been put before the House so often, do justify us, and more than justify us, in putting forward the Resolution which we ask the House of Commons to adopt. From the very beginning we were determined that we should not go one inch beyond what the facts justified. We do not, at least I do not, entertain any vindictive feelings against the right hon. Gentlemen. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"We do not believe it.\"", "preceding_text": "often, do justify us, and more than justify us, in putting forward the Resolution which we ask the House of Commons to adopt. From the very beginning we were determined that we should not go one inch beyond what the facts justified. We do not, at least I do not, entertain any vindictive feelings against the right hon. Gentlemen. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"] Whether you believe it or not, it is true. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: 657 \"No\"J—which does embody an expression of regret. [HoN. MEMBERS: \"No, read it.\"", "preceding_text": "f the purchase from the House. We were perfectly ready to add to that any declaration with regard to their absolute freedom from corrupt motives, and if those three things were done we were content, but less than those three things or less than the first two, at all events we could not accept. § Sir E. GREY There is before the House now an Amendment which does embody ark expression of regret—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "ned. Whether the actual contract made was a profitable one to the British Marconi Company or not would not affect the prospects of the Marconi Company in America, but the fact that the British Marconi Company was the one employed by the British Government would produce an impression that Marconi companies in other countries would probably receive contracts of the same kind from their Governments. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/19", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/19/marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "section": "marconis-wireless-telegraph-company", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Name.\"", "preceding_text": "nsible men on the other side, will go on repeating them. I happened to come across this as lately as last Saturday, when everything was known that was to be known about this case. I take only a local Conservative paper, in which this statement was made:— Liberals who furiously denied the truth of the original rumours now see that the rumours were feeble compared with the real position of affairs. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "hout destroying its identity with the Bill previously passed, be taken in the second or third Session and be presented by this House by way of suggestion to the other House. I know it will be said that in this Resolution which I am about to propose we are destroying, not only the Committee stage but the opportunity of discussing details, but what I have said is a complete answer to that argument. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "stage but the opportunity of discussing details, but what I have said is a complete answer to that argument. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I agree that it would not be a complete answer if it had been contemplated or intended that in the second and third Sessions these Bills should go through the ordinary procedure of the Committee kind through which they have already gone most carefully and laboriously. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_text": " have said is a complete answer to that argument. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I agree that it would not be a complete answer if it had been contemplated or intended that in the second and third Sessions these Bills should go through the ordinary procedure of the Committee kind through which they have already gone most carefully and laboriously. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Yes, line by line, and word by word. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Very soon.\"", "preceding_text": " the course of our proceedings with regard to, say, the Irish Government Bill , which I take as an example, and, least of all, the authors of the Bill, can doubt that many of the Amendments proposed were of this character. I am not complaining of this. It is a perfectly recognised form of Parliamentary procedure. We have resorted to it in the old days, and very likely we shall resort to it again. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "use on the Financial Resolution in Committee the opportunity for what I may call a Second Reading Debate in reference to those financial provisions. The Report stage, if the House agrees to the Government Resolution, we propose should be merely formal—that is to say, that the Question shall be put from the Chair and simply be, \"That the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": " setting up for the Bills under our immediate discussion. Was he of that mind when, in speaking in 1911 in this House, he said:— The delay of three Sessions or of two years when the suspensory veto of the House of Lords is interposep, precludes the possibility, and I say this with the utmost assurance, of covertly or arbitrarily smuggling into law, measures which are condemned by popular opinion, "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh!\"", "preceding_text": "p its hold upon its own Members. Our benches are poorly occupied. Again and again I have seen what was unknown in the days when I entered this House—that is, a man gathering up his notes and his hat when he has finished speaking, and leaving the Chamber, without caring for a moment what might be said by way of answer. Such a thing was unknown when I, who still am not very old, came to this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_text": "Prime Minister, I forget which, 861 make a reference to-day to a matter which may come on before us before long, and that is the reconstitution of the House of Lords, because we on these benches have no faith in any reconstituted House of Lords. We believe that that will be an even greater barrier than the present House, because it will have the form and semblance possibly of a democratic mandate—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Some of you.\"", "preceding_text": "s side are so anxious to secure the salaries that are paid to us, less Income Tax, each quarter, that we will be induced to do certain things. I think a protest ought to be made against this argument and this point of view. Does it mean that the hon. Gentleman thinks we could not live unless we were paid these salaries? Does it mean that those of us on this side make a profession of our politics? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Make some more.\"", "preceding_text": "methods by which the temperance question will have to be dealt with in Scotland. The majority of the Scottish representatives over and over again have been returned with that at the back of their minds. We Scotsmen have a special grievance against the House of Lords. We have only sixteen representatives in that Chamber. We do not want any more, but everyone of those is a Conservative in politics. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"In a short time.\"", "preceding_text": "mber for Oxford University suggested that there would be changes in this House. In fact, the Noble Lord's anxiety does not seem so much to leave the House, because it has no influence with the public as that he should come over to this side. If he was seated on this side of the House, the public would be more interested. Bearing that in mind, we shall be sitting on those benches for a short time. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "re difficulty? I think I am not unfair in stating, that the attitude taken up by the Government is true attitude of the First Lord of the Admiralty, whose whole view is this: \"We have brought in Bills; those Bills have been rejected by the Second Chamber; the Second Chamber must be rendered powerless in order that we may put through such Bills as we desire, whether the country wants them or not.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No\"", "preceding_text": "werless in order that we may put through such Bills as we desire, whether the country wants them or not.\" [An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"] Yes; whether the country desires them or not. The hon. Member shakes his head, but we know perfectly well that at this moment, if the signs are worth anything at all, the Government have not behind them the opinion of the people of this country, and they would hesitate—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "Prime Minister. Mr. MacCALLUM SCOTT It seems to me that the right hon. Gentleman is laudator temporis acti. He does not believe that the House is as good as it was. I believe it never was. It is simply the tradition of the good old times. These particular aspects are not typical of the change which has come over the House. It is certainly true that it is being held in less respect by the country. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "ismemberment. The hon. Member made a grievance of the fact that dismemberment was never discussed in Committee last year. That is quite true. We did not discuss it directly, though it was discussed incidentally many times. The real reason it was not discussed on an Amendment, as the hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well, was that we spent nearly the whole afternoon discussing small trivial matters. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Will you accept it?\"", "preceding_text": "hy hon. Gentlemen should not make suggestions and have it discussed now on the Suggestion stage. Take the question of tithe. It is stated that tithe has not been adequately discussed. Very well, if it is thought that it was not, it can be discussed on the Suggestion stage now. There is absolutely no reason I can see why, if they like to make suggestions, the question of tithe cannot be discussed. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "An. HON. MEMBER:\" That was the Daily Chronicle.'\"", "preceding_text": "ws.\" Surely the right hon. Gentleman does not repudiate the \"Daily News.\" The article which I have in my mind, and I am not quite sure that it did not appear in the \"Daily Chronicle\" also, commented in the first place and then gave as an explanation of what is wrong in the Liberal party, \"the protracted and unexplained and very disastrous absences of the Prime Minister from the House of Commons.\" "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "e Book measures for which you have not the moral support which is necessary for great measures affecting large numbers of your fellow subjects, that the first act which will be done should we occupy the place you occupy to-day will be to undo and repeal at least three of the cardinal measures which you have passed. If I am right in saying this, as everybody who listens to me knows that I am right—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "should we occupy the place you occupy to-day will be to undo and repeal at least three of the cardinal measures which you have passed. If I am right in saying this, as everybody who listens to me knows that I am right—[Laughter.] Really, I can show it almost in a sentence. It is quite arguable—though I am not sure whether it is true—that we made the same mistake when we passed the Education Act . "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "cheers from Unionist Members", "preceding_text": " that we have had Second Reading speeches over and over again until we are perfectly entitled to exclaim, \"For heaven's sake, no Second Reading speeches again: we have had more than enough!\" I do not, however, complain of that. But it is not possible in the short space of time at my disposal to attempt to reply even to the able and vigorous speech of the right hon. Gentleman who last spoke—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "the man in charge of the Bill. If we had it again day after day and week after week in this Session, as we had it in the last, I should be left pretty well alone in this House, and hon. Gentlemen who have been vapouring about the dignity and glory of the House of Commons, would have been elsewhere. The moment of admit that, the Committee stage of this Bill becomes obviously a sheer waste of time. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/jun/23", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/jun/23/procedure-motion", "section": "procedure-motion", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS: \"Leave them as they are.\"", "preceding_text": "imply saying no more than that you propose to leave Ulster outside the scope and purview of this Bill, or, let us say four counties in Ulster, would be a wholly unintelligent exclusion, because it would not give the House the faintest idea of how you proposed to deal or how the inhabitants of those excluded counties wished you to deal with them after they had been left out of the Home Rule Bill . "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The May-fly.\"", "preceding_text": "must be fought with airships and rigids with rigids. I simply lay that down; I am not able to argue it, but that is what I am told by a good many experts on this question. Supposing that to be true, what is our position in airships to-day? In Germany they have seven Zeppelins and six building with high speed, large radius of action, and great carrying, power. Against those we have nothing at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER made an observation which was inaudible.", "preceding_text": "there were a large number of Members whose constituents cared nothing about the Navy, and that every Naval Estimate brought in by the Liberal party was the result of compromise, and that the Minister had one eye on the officials in the Fleet and the other on hon. Members below the Gangway who were opposed to any Navy, and that there were a large number of Members on this side of the House… "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order, order,\" and \"You are being slated, too hard.\"", "preceding_text": "rage surplus of 4 or 5. § Mr. LEE That is including five ships which you said you would not include? § Mr. CHURCHILL I hope the hon. Member will treat me with ordinary courtesy, and allow me to make a complicated statement without interrupting me in that way. I think the hon. Member had better hear what I have to say before he proceeds to criticise me. 86 § Mr. CHARLES CRAIG Go on. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order, order.\"", "preceding_text": "has been observable for the last three-quarters of an hour, which he seemed rather to resent, shown towards his considered statement. § Sir J. FORTESCUE FLANNERY I want to ask specifically whether the right hon. Gentleman in those figures is including the Canadian vessels in the future computation, because the figures he is now giving would indicate, in comparison with an answer he has given—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "ome waters; that they will play a real part in the defence of the Empire; and that, if they fail, a gap will be opened to fill which further sacrifices will have to be made without undue delay by others. With these facts in view, I ask the House seriously: Is it not unwise for some people on one side of the House to say that the Canadian ships are redundant, superfluous, and an unnecessary burden—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Due to a weak Fleet\"", "preceding_text": "s any country which can be hard hit by a constant increase of expenditure which is taken from its commerce in the way this money is taken, it is the United Kingdom. If the First Lord had that familiarity with business which some of us have, if he knew what was going on in the City at the present moment in regard to the rise in the price of money and the decline in the credit of the country…"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "oint up and see a star and say, \"That is the light,\" and they telegraph to the Admiralty and the Home Secretary issues new orders about preventing airships coming over the country. We are in continual panics with regard to these invasions. Look at another feature of it. Here is our greatest general going about the country preaching a panic about the Army. He says the country is in serious danger. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "ter, and to consider whether it would not be possible to steadily reduce, instead of increase, in this way the Navy expenditure. The First Lord of the Admiralty appeared to think—and so far as I can understand my right hon. Friend (Dr. Macnamara) agrees with him—that the only way to get Germany to abate its expenditure is to threaten Germany. The First Lord's whole speech was full of 105 threats. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "derstand my right hon. Friend (Dr. Macnamara) agrees with him—that the only way to get Germany to abate its expenditure is to threaten Germany. The First Lord's whole speech was full of 105 threats. [HON. MEMBERS; \"No.\"] I will try to make it good. He dealt with the years following, and said that if our suggestions were not accepted, we would go on in our remorseless way, or some words like that. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "eanwhile let me make it clear that while such a suggestion does not bear fruit, events will continue to move forward along the path upon which they have now been set, with the result that at every stage the naval superiority of the British Empire will be found to be established upon a more unassailable foundation.\"—[ OFFICIAL REPORT, 26th March, 1913, col. 1764, Vol. L.] I think that is a threat. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": " thank hon. Members in all parts of the House for the war in which they have approached the discussion of the Estimates. The speech to which I wish particularly to draw attention is that made this evening by my right hon. Friend the Member for West Islington (Mr. Lough). In his most cheery manner he gave us a most doleful jeremiad. As he put it:— These Estimates have bounded up out of all reason. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "section": "navy-estimates-1913-14-vote-a", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about the searchlight?\"", "preceding_text": " and shores and magazines, and, for the matter of that, could discharge them on to London and on to our dockyards. There is nothing to prevent that. The right hon. Gentleman told us he had got a wonderful gun. We do not know how many there are. The First Lord of the Admiralty also spoke about guns, but you cannot hit a dirigible at night that you cannot see. You cannot see it because it is night. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/suffragist-prisoners", "section": "suffragist-prisoners", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"In the cell.\"", "preceding_text": "o the charge that he is in solitary confinement, he is undergoing his imprisonment on precisely the same terms and conditions as any other misdemeanant. He gets two hours' exercise a day, with two intervals of an hour each, just as any other prisoner gets exercise. It is absurd to speak of it as solitary confinement. He is visited daily by the prison officials. He sees people and talks to people. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/mar/31", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/mar/31/suffragist-prisoners", "section": "suffragist-prisoners", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Active resisters.\"", "preceding_text": ". WEDGWOOD I think this forcible feeding is pretty beastly work. It is bad for us here, it is bad for the Home Secretary, it is bad for the prisoners and for the officials. In a couple of days the right hon. Gentleman is to bring in a Bill which is to put an end to this forcible feeding. Would it not be possible to call a truce now, and let these people out? After all, they are passive resisters. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Which?\"", "preceding_text": "hown by the vote to-morrow, there are a majority of men who hold the opinion that sex of itself should be no disqualification. At this moment we have a Cabinet of which at least one half support the enfranchisement of women, and a Ministry of which, I believe, nearly three-quarters are its supporters. The Prime Minister, it is true, opposes it, but his two most trusted lieutenants are on our side—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "her hon. Members have thought that if you have a Government in the future controlled by women it would make a serious difference, if not a revolution, in the existing state of affairs with regard to wages. It is not a great stretch of the imagination to think that in such a time the House of Commons may lay it down that a considerable proportion of the wages of men should be paid direct to women. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"For equal work.\"", "preceding_text": "ce. So far as we in Scotland are concerned, our withers are unwrung, because the law in Scotland in regard to divorce is precisely the same for the man as for the woman. I cannot see any question on which, if women had had votes, they would have obtained any better results in this House than have already been achieved. My hon. Friend said the vote would enable them to secure the same wage as men. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No,\" and \"What about teachers?\"", "preceding_text": " in Scotland in regard to divorce is precisely the same for the man as for the woman. I cannot see any question on which, if women had had votes, they would have obtained any better results in this House than have already been achieved. My hon. Friend said the vote would enable them to secure the same wage as men. [An HON. MEMBER: \"For equal work.\"] If women do equal work they get the same wages. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": " been achieved. My hon. Friend said the vote would enable them to secure the same wage as men. [An HON. MEMBER: \"For equal work.\"] If women do equal work they get the same wages. [An HON. MEMBER: \"No,\" and \"What about teachers?\"] There may be something to be said in regard to teachers, but as a matter of fact where the female teacher is found to be more valuable than others she gets bigger wages. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_text": "heir children's souls. Those are the wives of the working men of this country, and, therefore, those are the women to whom, in my view, we should first, and not last, give the Parliamentary franchise. Then I come down to the mere question of Parliamentary practice and tactics in regard to this Bill. I am free to make confession that I do not believe this Bill is going to pass into law at present. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Will you explain that?\"", "preceding_text": "eople are not to be allowed to judge for themselves even at the next General Election on this question. The Prime Minister truckled to the Irish, to the Suffragists, and to the Welsh, for the sake of votes, but he refuses the people free discussion on this question, which is a matter of national importance. That is the sort of Prime Minister with whom hon. Gentlemen on the other side have to deal "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/05", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/05/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "call the Mahomet of the female cause, is Christabel Pankhurst. I remember, after returning to London some years ago, that I strolled up to Hyde Park, and there, standing on a cart in the park, addressing rather a small number of auditors, I saw a young woman, endowed with every grace of physical faculty, becomingly clad in a light green garment, which swayed with the graceful motions of her body. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/06/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_text": " that we shall run, because women will be justified in using those means and those arts that they possess just as men are justified in using what arts they possess in endeavouring to convince a constituency or endeavouring to impress this House. What are the arts of women? Charm of manner and beauty. Women, therefore, will be chosen by political associations because they are young and attractive. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/06/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "§ Sir J. D. REES He was not mad when he wrote the book. § Lord ROBERT CECIL The final extract which he read may be summed up in the words, \"Away with the women's movement.\" That is the real basis of your position. It is not the vote only that they would take away from women if they could, but they would take away all the privileges they have gained in nineteen centuries of Christianity. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/06", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/06/representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "section": "representation-of-the-people-women-bill", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": " summed up in the words, \"Away with the women's movement.\" That is the real basis of your position. It is not the vote only that they would take away from women if they could, but they would take away all the privileges they have gained in nineteen centuries of Christianity. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Yes, people like my hon. Friend would. I do not for a moment suggest that in their more sober moments—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/07", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/07/tea", "section": "tea", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": " table\"—that free breakfast table which, I believe, has been the Liberal ideal ever since I was a boy. The tax upon sugar is so very much smaller: it only brings in about a half of the Tea Tax; therefore it is very much less oppressive than the Tea Tax on the free breakfast table. It appears to me that when we saw this Budget brought in it removed any expectation of getting a free breakfast table—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/07", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/07/tea", "section": "tea", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Question.\"", "preceding_text": " prevails that the tax will never be reduced. That is a thing we have to face, a thing which the people of the country will have to face. They will have to realise that they cannot have the benefit of the old age pensions, the benefits of the Insurance Act , and so on, unless they retain this heavy tax which is universally felt, because it is a heavy tax upon one of the prime necessities of life. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/07", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/07/income-tax-1", "section": "income-tax-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is that on all unearned income.\"", "preceding_text": "n accepted years ago, but it is antiquated and out of date, and I believe that no Chancellor of the Exchequer, Liberal or Tory, is ever likely to adopt it again. There is the definite answer of honesty and fairness to those who claim that taxes should be imposed in this indirect fashion. I understand that in the case of incomes of over £2,000 the Income Tax on unearned income is 1s. 2d. in the £. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/07", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/07/income-tax-1", "section": "income-tax-1", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_text": "e hon. and gallant Member had done me the honour to wait for one more sentence he would see that I was going to refer to that particularly. § Mr. PRETYMAN Where is the joke, then? § Mr. MASTERMAN The difference is this. You are referring to the expression, the \"People's Budget,\" with a sneer of contempt. People outside this House refer to the \"People's Budget\" with a smile of gratitude. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/07", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/07/opium-traffic", "section": "opium-traffic", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Date.\"", "preceding_text": "ina able to suppress opium?\" and expressing a doubt as to whether she could do so. I will give some reports by missionaries taken from a local newspaper which devotes much space to the discussion of the question. Fifty or sixty replies were received by this newspaper as to the cultivation, trade, and smoking of opium in their neighbourhood. In Yingchaufu this year a tremendous sowing is going on. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/business-of-the-house", "section": "business-of-the-house", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": ". LONG May I ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in the announcement he has made, he means definitely to state that the Government of Ireland Bill will be taken on Monday week? § Mr. LLOYD GEORGE In all probability it will be taken on Monday week. § Mr. BRIDGEMAN Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Prime Minister stated that the Bee Diseases Bill would be proceeded with? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/agricultural-labourers-wages-and-hours", "section": "agricultural-labourers-wages-and-hours", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh, no!\"", "preceding_text": " in every industry in the country must be so fixed. I believe that that would be a fatal policy. The hon. Gentleman himself had some glimmering that his proposal was bad, because he said that he would have preferred that the amount of wages should be settled by trade unions or other kindred associations. I prefer that, the amount of wages should be settled by the natural law of supply and demand. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "section": "high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"I thought you were one.\"", "preceding_text": "siderable amounts from the King's Bench Division to the County Court. But what happened to the Bill when it came into this House? Many notices of opposition were given to it. We know the practice is not to print more than six such notices, but we are well aware that there were very many more objections to this Bill, and these objections to a beneficial measure came from the lawyers in this House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "section": "high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": " some of the judges have sat on a considerable number of Saturdays, but many of them sat for a very short time indeed. The fact is, instead of the hours of judges lengthening they are getting very much shorter. I think it was Lord Haldane who, when a Member of this House, stated that when he commenced practising, the Courts used to sit from ten till four. Now the time is generally eleven to four. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "section": "high-court-of-justice-kings-bench", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"We do not.\"", "preceding_text": "-HICKS That shows how long it takes for a subject to get a decision when he goes up to the House of Lords, where the point has to be argued again. That is a matter, however, which will come up on the Appellate Jurisdiction Bill as to the necessity for a double hearing the House of Lords. I cannot understand why hon. Members opposite who Profess to be democrats object to justice being made speedy. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/appellate-jurisdiction-bill-lords", "section": "appellate-jurisdiction-bill-lords", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Pension.\"", "preceding_text": "y reckon the strength of your Court by counting the heads of those who are bound to be there, and upon whom you can absolutely rely. You can at times constitute Courts from those who are not bound to sit, but who are willing to sit when called upon. There would sometimes have been difficulty if it had not been for the services freely given by an ex-Lord Chancellor, who is not bound to sit at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/london-county-council-tramways-trolley", "section": "london-county-council-tramways-trolley", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no\"", "preceding_text": "House to-day decides that the particular Section of the Act of 1900 should be inserted, it means that the trackless trolley system will never be adopted in any part of the county of London. We know perfectly well that each borough council wants to have the best and most expensive system. The conduit system is the best and most satisfactory, but it can only be used in the central parts of the town—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/27", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/27/london-county-council-tramways-trolley", "section": "london-county-council-tramways-trolley", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_text": "ought to have the last word. § Mr. ROBERTSON The Committee upstairs will have perfect power to veto the whole thing. § Sir F. BANBURY Yes, but my point is that this House should have the deciding voice and should say to the Committee, \"You are not to take into consideration that particular system.\" Mr. F. HALL May I inform the hon. Baronet that the House has already decided that matter. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/british-tinplate-trade", "section": "british-tinplate-trade", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "ht hon. Gentleman not aware that in consequence of the action of the Canadian Government, to which he has referred, the United States have got possession of the tinplate market in Canada which formerly we possessed? Mr. BUXTON I am not in possession of the figures as to the tinplate trade of the United States in regard to Canada. 167 § Mr. HEWINS Surely the anti-dumping law was in operation? "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/appellate-jurisdiction-bill-lords", "section": "appellate-jurisdiction-bill-lords", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They never do.\"", "preceding_text": "id that the House of Lords heard all the appeals from the United Kingdom. In theory every Peer was entitled to sit in the House of Lords as a Court of Appeal. A most absurd proposition, if you take into consideration that the House of Lords is appointed, not by election, but comes into existence by birth; for a man may be an idiot and yet be entitled, as a Law Lord, to sit and hear these appeals. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"", "preceding_text": " are sent to institutions or placed under guardianship by order of the Court when charged with a criminal offence—that is to say, as the State will be relieved of the cost of maintaining the mentally deficient prisoners in prison the State, in exchange for that, pays half the cost of the maintenance of the mentally deficient person during the whole of the time he is treated as mentally deficient. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, no.\"", "preceding_text": "ers, but the Home Secretary to-day has rather poured contempt upon it. I do not submit to the House that when we are approaching a new problem of this kind there is an argument in favour of three men being set apart to deal with it untrammelled and unbiassed by experience in any Government Department. The pressure for this new legislation upon the Government undoubtedly comes from the Opposition. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, oh!\"", "preceding_text": "that in an institution under this Bill that will be the normal method of teaching and training mentally deficient children, and it would be a waste of public money to keep these children in expensive special schools when you cannot ex hypothesi educate them into independent citizens. Therefore I maintain the true principle should be that as soon as you have satisfied yourselves through the doctor—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, no.\"", "preceding_text": "fted by the Home Office. We should not swallow everything the Home Office puts before the House of Commons. I am against government by experts, and still more against government by artificial agitation. Last year we had 245 a sudden, raging, tearing agitation got up over what was called the \"White Slave Traffic\" Bill. This House passed the Bill, and then discovered that there was no trade at all. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/city-of-london-celluloid-regulations", "section": "city-of-london-celluloid-regulations", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS: \"What happened then?\"", "preceding_text": "n various parts of the country. § Mr. WALTER GUINNESS The hon. Member for Rugby said this was an instance of panic legislation brought forward in great haste, but this is not the first proposal to deal with celluloid that has been before the House of Commons, as the London County Council last year brought forward with their General Powers Bill, Clauses that covered very much the same ground. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill-1", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill-1", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS: 282 \"Not land valuers.\"", "preceding_text": "ase? § 10.0 P.M. § Mr. WEDGWOOD The previous Debate to this was on the making of two new Lords of Appeal at £6,000 apiece—supported by the other side. The preceding Debate was to make a new judge at £5,000 a year—supported by the other side. The Housing Bill was proposed from the other side, and there are the land valuers for valuation. All these things are proposed from the other side. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill-1", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Both sides.\"", "preceding_text": "o the best surroundings, but do not let us do two things which I think are criminal—do not take away children from their parents against the parents' wish, and do not put bolts and bars on these homes and convert them from real homes into prisons. § Mr. GOLDSMITH The discussion of the question of mental deficiency seems to be the cause of very lengthy speeches on the other side of the House. "}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill-1", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"One.\"", "preceding_text": "he liberties of individual citizens? I should be very much surprised if they are. How are they to be placed into captivity? I think the hon. Member opposite pointed out that the parent or guardian—and apparently the guardian may be anybody who is interested in the welfare of the 291 child, or pretends to be—may send any lad of eighteen to twenty-one on the certificate of two medical practitioners—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/28", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/28/mental-deficiency-bill-1", "section": "mental-deficiency-bill-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The Idiots Act ?\"", "preceding_text": " why the man was to be regarded as a lunatic, and that the full facilities for a properly constituted tribunal should be afforded the person to controvert the charge. Mr. CAWLEY This Act simply extends the present law to feeble-minded persons. § Mr. ATHERLEY-JONES I beg respectfully to state that it is not so. If the hon. Member will look at the first three Sections of the Lunacy Act of 1890—"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue_html", "date": "commons/1913/may/29", "house": "commons", "url": "https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1913/may/29/dreghorn-estate-purchase-by-war-office-1", "section": "dreghorn-estate-purchase-by-war-office-1", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Two thousand.\"", "preceding_text": "e of this estate. I cannot understand why this House should not be told what amount the War Office are paying for this estate. I do not know why we should not be told the amount of money this estate is paying in rates now. We have a lively recollection of the money already expended by the War Office and the Admiralty in the purchase of land. A place on the Clyde was bought at 200 years' purchase. "}