{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-24", "file": "debates1961-01-24a.xml", "sha256": "20ccb5a3f36d9660", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-24a.24.0", "colnum": "24", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Abse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Abse", "preceding_text": "y meant that in the coming year only 200 houses will be built in Cwmbran, will the Minister endeavour to expedite the decisions which he is anticipating? Does he appreciate that any premature winding up of the Cwmbran Development Corporation could result in considerable speculation in land in the west and southwest area, in view of the fact that there is considerable industrial development nearby?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-24a.24.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-25", "file": "debates1961-01-25a.xml", "sha256": "c3c7c501a78e5182", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-25a.178.3", "colnum": "178", "heading": "Orders of the Day — POST OFFICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Postmaster-General (Mr. Reginald Bevins)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Postmaster-General (Mr. Reginald Bevins)", "preceding_text": "he Bill, at the disposal of Parliament. I think I owe it to the House to explain, very briefly, why the consent of Her Majesty the Queen is required for the Bill. The revenues of the Post Office from the posts—and, by extension, from remittance services—have formed part of the hereditary revenues of the Crown ever since they were vested in James II and his successors. That is going back some time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-25a.178.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-25", "file": "debates1961-01-25a.xml", "sha256": "c3c7c501a78e5182", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-25a.178.5", "colnum": "178", "heading": "Orders of the Day — POST OFFICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What is the difference?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "preceding_text": " be conducted commercially. As hon. Members know, these two conceptions are often not only different, but in conflict as well. This has nothing to do with any argument about Clause Four, which is essentially a doctrinaire argument. I am referring to the Opposition's Clause Four and not to Clause 4 of the Bill. This is a severely practical question and to me, therefore, a much more interesting one.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-25a.178.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-26", "file": "debates1961-01-26a.xml", "sha256": "3f921f368fbfb137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-26a.331.0", "colnum": "331", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "Hors. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "In fact, they show exactly the opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-26a.331.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-26", "file": "debates1961-01-26a.xml", "sha256": "3f921f368fbfb137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-26a.331.0", "colnum": "331", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "In fact, they show exactly the opposite—[Hors. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—yes, because percentages can be misleading.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-26a.331.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-27", "file": "debates1961-01-27a.xml", "sha256": "5d6cefec06ee4c05", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-27a.491.1", "colnum": "491", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wells", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wells", "preceding_text": "I thank my hon. Friend. The hon. Member for Bilston said that free literature is given away in Norway to every household. In my experience, free literature finds its way quickly into the wastepaper basket.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-27a.491.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-27", "file": "debates1961-01-27a.xml", "sha256": "5d6cefec06ee4c05", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-27a.533.2", "colnum": "533", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Williams", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Williams", "preceding_text": "rs on whose confidence we depend if we are to maintain the standard of life for this country. It is tantamount to saying that they are to have inferior goods delivered to them compared with those which we in these islands enjoy. I should think it very much against the interests of this country to allow goods of that nature to be exported at all. I know that it is referred to in the Interim Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-27a.533.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.565.6", "colnum": "565", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SOUTH-WEST AFRICA (UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ormsby Gore", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ormsby Gore", "preceding_text": "I do not think that it is at all contemptible if we are in the right, and I believe that on this occasion we were in the right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.565.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.583.4", "colnum": "583", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "Would not the Lord Privy Seal agree that Mr. Lumumba, whatever his legal claims to be Prime Minister, is a personality ofalmost unique importance in the Congo situation?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.583.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.606.3", "colnum": "606", "heading": "H.M.S. \"VICTORIOUS\" (VISIT TO SOUTH AFRICA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"0h.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "preceding_text": "I would say, in reply to that, that the South African Government have been extremely helpful in the past.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.606.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.607.2", "colnum": "607", "heading": "H.M.S. \"VICTORIOUS\" (VISIT TO SOUTH AFRICA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "preceding_text": "the fact if some of their shipmates had been singled out for special discrimination in South Africa, and I think that the well-being and harmony of the ship is better ensured by the sort of practice that we have been carrying out. As to the purpose of the visit, H.M.S. \"Victorious\" is on her way to join the Far Eastern Fleet, and on the way she is to exercise and train with the South African Navy—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.607.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.643.1", "colnum": "643", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Aubrey Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What has it done?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Aubrey Jones", "preceding_text": "I should like to begin by doing something which previous speakers have not done, although no doubt the omission is by inadvertence. I should like to express the gratitude of any rate one back bencher to the Stedeford Committee for the work that it has done.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.643.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.643.1", "colnum": "643", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Aubrey Jones", "cue_text": "HON.MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Aubrey Jones", "preceding_text": " are not allowed to know what the Committee recommended. The world is allowed, to infer that what is proposed arises directly from the Crmmittee's Report. I do not know, but it is at least a fair possibility that the Government have run away from some of the Committee's recommendations and that some, if not all, the members of the Committee think that some of the decisions are downright erroneous.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.643.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.660.4", "colnum": "660", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Rot.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "lly good commercial development of the helicopter, the vertical take-off aircraft, the Rotodyne or something of that sort, the competition of domestic air services with other forms of transport in this country will be considerably limited. The third point that we should all remember is that planning takes a great deal longer here than in either Europe or America because of the British temperament.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.660.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.668.1", "colnum": "668", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "preceding_text": "ices for their transport, they will have none? Those are questions to which we want answers. Those are the reasons why there is general alarm in Scotland about these proposals. Will the Minister answer those questions? Does paragraph 7 mean that if a service is not economic it will be withdrawn? Does it mean that no area north of Perth will have a railway service if these proposals are brought in?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.668.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.710.1", "colnum": "710", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about Daltons?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "s deigned to read, called \"Planning Transport for You \". The prices of British Railways stock over the years before nationalisation are surely some idea of what the market and the Stock Exchange thought about the prospects of British railways at that time. The prices per £100 of the London and North-Eastern Railway preference stock ranged from £11 10s., £7 10s., £21, £14 10s., £10, £12 and £8 10s.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.710.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.710.1", "colnum": "710", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When was this?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "not even despite the credit policy of the Government. Great Western Railway prices were £50, £51, £64, £42, £30. Southern Railway preference, which were the cream, were £24, £64, £79. They climbed to £97 in one year and then started to fall back again. The average over the whole period was £77 5s. So one could go on with the deferred stock. This was the view which the market took about this stock.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.710.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.718.1", "colnum": "718", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Now?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "Yes. This is one of the results of the comprehensive reexamination of this scheme, about which we have been so much criticised, which has been carried out by my right hon. Friend and his Department with the Commission in recent months. This is a date that the Commission itself put forward now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.718.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.722.1", "colnum": "722", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Dodging.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "This is one of the points for further consideration. It is a difficult matter—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.722.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.723.1", "colnum": "723", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "easonable. May I briefly go over the recent history of the modernisation programme? First, the Commission put forward its plan in 1956 estimating a total figure of £1,240 million. It said then that this would mean that it could break even by 1961 or 1962. The Government endorsed the plan and told the Commission that it could go ahead and began to provide the money. Then came the recession of 1958.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.723.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.725.1", "colnum": "725", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Holt", "preceding_text": "Mr. Holt rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.725.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-30", "file": "debates1961-01-30a.xml", "sha256": "c95ee38ff84ff9a5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.725.2", "colnum": "725", "heading": "NATIONALISED TRANSPORT UNDERTAKINGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "nt because my right hon. Friend has been accused of slowing things up. We received the proposals on 16th December and we are giving them the most urgent examination. As for modernisation, we believe in good modernisation. We have the responsibility of the banker in this and our interest is to see that the taxpayers' money is properly invested. My right hon. Friend is often said to be anti-railway.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-30a.725.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-31", "file": "debates1961-01-31a.xml", "sha256": "9863976fcccb7892", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.791.2", "colnum": "791", "heading": "CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT, 1948 (AMENDMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Hobson", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Hobson", "preceding_text": "for purposes connected therewith. The principal object of my proposed Bill is to extend the powers which the criminal courts already have to order an offender to pay compensation to the victim of his crime. The criminal courts can at present order any persons convicted of an offence to pay compensation or damages to a person to whom they have caused either physical or property injury. But they can", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.791.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-31", "file": "debates1961-01-31a.xml", "sha256": "9863976fcccb7892", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.811.1", "colnum": "811", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir James Henderson-Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why\"?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir James Henderson-Stewart", "preceding_text": " quoted the figures which the Fleck Committee presented to us of the earnings of inshore fishermen. It is common knowledge that they are not substantial. These men are not making fortunes. In my part of the world they are doing reasonably well, but there is nothing wrong in that. These are some of the questions which occur to me. I must jump from one thing to another, because the time is so short.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.811.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-01-31", "file": "debates1961-01-31a.xml", "sha256": "9863976fcccb7892", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.888.1", "colnum": "888", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Geoffrey de Freitas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Kippers.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Geoffrey de Freitas", "preceding_text": "ers will agree with me that running through the debate, whatever hon. Members have been arguing about, has been a desire to increase consumption. I referred to it in connection with my constituency. My own taste is such that I would willingly live entirely on fish. I have eaten them grilled, boiled, stewed, fried and every other way, including raw. I have eaten a great deal of raw fish in my time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-01-31a.888.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.973.6", "colnum": "973", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROADS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Dance", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dance", "preceding_text": "I thank my hon. Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.973.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.983.5", "colnum": "983", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — RAILWAYS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "Without endorsing the last part of that supplementary question, I am glad that the hon. Gentleman finds this paragraph of the White Paper satisfactory—as, indeed, most of the other paragraphs are.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.983.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.985.2", "colnum": "985", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — RAILWAYS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "That is not the answer. Can my right hon. Friend give me an assurance on which is which?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.985.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.985.4", "colnum": "985", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — RAILWAYS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "Question No. 54.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.985.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8", "colnum": "987", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": " the present charges for dentures. The charges for spectacles will be increased by 5s. a pair, with a higher charge for bifocal and multifocal lenses. However, it is proposed that children aged 10 or over shall no longer be charged for spectacle lenses in any type of National Health Service frame. The maximum charge for amenity beds in hospitals in England and Wales will be doubled from 1st March.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8", "colnum": "987", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "and Wales will be doubled from 1st March. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] The cost of the pharmaceutical services this year will be about £92 million gross, £80 million net. Since the charge for prescriptions was fixed at 1s. an item in 1956, the average cost of an item has increased from 5s. 1½d. to 7s. 4d. The Government are proposing to raise the prescription charge to 2s. per item from 1st March.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8", "colnum": "987", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Disgraceful.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "r will be about £92 million gross, £80 million net. Since the charge for prescriptions was fixed at 1s. an item in 1956, the average cost of an item has increased from 5s. 1½d. to 7s. 4d. The Government are proposing to raise the prescription charge to 2s. per item from 1st March. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"] We believe that this measure is necessary, along with others already taken or in hand—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8", "colnum": "987", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They have never had it so good.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "will remain in force, and arrangements will be made through the National Assistance Board for the free issue of vitamin supplements. The Government also propose to increase the National Health Service contribution with effect from the beginning of July next by 1s. a week for the employed man—10d. from the employee and 2d. from the employer—and by the appropriate amounts for other insurance groups.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8", "colnum": "987", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": " amenity beds will be laid on Friday, and a new Welfare Foods Order will be made shortly. All these changes apply to Scotland, except that relating to amenity beds, for which in Scotland the charges are adjusted automatically. The effect of all the measures which I have announced will be to reduce the net Health Estimates by about £50 million in 1961–62 and about £65 million in a full year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.987.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.989.0", "colnum": "989", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. K. Robinson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. K. Robinson", "preceding_text": "Is the Minister aware that the comprehensive list of charges which be has just announced represents, in our view, the biggest single assault on the whole principle underlying the National Health Service since it was conceived, and a very serious inroad into the whole Welfare State?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.989.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.992.1", "colnum": "992", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (INCREASED CHARGES AND CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "My right hon. Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.992.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1029.1", "colnum": "1029", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HYDE PARK (UNDERGROUND PARKING) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. B. T. Parkin", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It would have been out of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. B. T. Parkin", "preceding_text": "ng in the world, he gave us this wonderful estimate which we shall relish in HANSARD tomorrow when we read it over again, when he said that one of the outstanding features of our age is the increase in traffic. Perhaps, out of a desire not to upset the old gentleman, the Minister did not refer to any other outstanding features of our age or any other problems which might have been worrying people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1029.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1089.0", "colnum": "1089", "heading": "FLOOD PREVENTION (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Lord Advocate (Mr. William Grant)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Lord Advocate (Mr. William Grant)", "preceding_text": "As the hon. Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Willis) so rightly said, this matter was discussed at some length in Standing Committee. I believe the matter was left in this way that I would be prepared to reconsider the word \"incidental\" on the basis that I would welcome his advice on the matter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1089.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-01", "file": "debates1961-02-01a.xml", "sha256": "49f6056b1389e75a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1124.0", "colnum": "1124", "heading": "FLOOD PREVENTION (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "ious of the needs of the community as anyone. We must also remember that Government Departments do not always act very reasonably. They can be exceedingly awkward. They dig in their toes over all sorts of things. The tuppenny ha'penny empire built up by some wee person is challenged by what a local authority wants to do. Clad in a brief authority, the individual stops the local authority doing it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-01a.1124.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-02", "file": "debates1961-02-02a.xml", "sha256": "ded32a6a68426162", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-02a.1186.3", "colnum": "1186", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Yes, Sir, neither very long delayed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-02a.1186.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-02", "file": "debates1961-02-02a.xml", "sha256": "ded32a6a68426162", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-02a.1187.5", "colnum": "1187", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilkins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilkins", "preceding_text": "May I remind the Prime Minister—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-02a.1187.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.42.1", "colnum": "42", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jay", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jay", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member may not have noticed that it noticeably did so in the time of Sir Stafford Cripps.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.42.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.42.1", "colnum": "42", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jay", "preceding_text": " first instance and propose a joint and simultaneous lowering of interest rates, so that the United States and the United Kingdom could expand again without fear of loss of reserves? Indeed, if the Germans—perhaps they would not—obstinately refused to co-operate in such a venture, the Government should consider whether we should not then be justified in discriminating against imports from Germany.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.42.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.52.1", "colnum": "52", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "the idea that there is too much consumption is a part of the indictment against us. The argument is that consumption is increasing at a time when there is stagnation because our production figure has levelled off. What are the full facts? We have had a reference to the speech of Sir Oliver Franks. I should have thought that one clear thing to be deduced from that was that consumption was too high.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.52.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.58.1", "colnum": "58", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He never mentioned it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "cans have not taken refuge in protective measures to meet their balance of payments difficulties. I think that for us to clamp on a whole lot of import restrictions would be contrary to the whole trend of the policy which I really did think had had the support of all quarters of the House over the past nine years. The next thing in the right hon. Gentleman's mind is, of course, building licensing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.58.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.58.1", "colnum": "58", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "eman has abandoned his desire to have building licensing? I am delighted to hear that it is given up and is no longer part of the Opposition's case, because we think that the more we get into that kind of control the more certain we are to end in price fixing, rationing and controls. Having said that, I believe that it is necessary to try to improve our techniques of planning in the public sector.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.58.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.59.1", "colnum": "59", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "I am not at all certain that they should make the same assumptions. One knows very well that with a long series of assumptions frequently most of them are wrong. I believe that the right hon. Gentleman knows this quite well, because during his period of office there was never a time when so many plans were so wrong.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.59.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.60.1", "colnum": "60", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Quite a lot.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "ng we have been to allow in manufactured goods and so on. If he looks at the figures—I will not go into them at length—he will see that a very large proportion of the imports consisted of raw materials and semifinished goods. The increases in food, beverages, tobacco were very small. Even in the field of finished manufactures, consumer goods accounted for only about one-third of what was imported—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.60.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.106.2", "colnum": "106", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Fourteen.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "preceding_text": "The ordinary working man in this country earns, on average, about £10 a week", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.106.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.106.5", "colnum": "106", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir A. Spearman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir A. Spearman", "preceding_text": "re sound, the screams, however loud, will disappear before long and will be forgotten in a few months. My hon. Friend the Member for Halifax (Mr. Maurice Macmillan) made a severe attack on the Government today. I shall not go as far as he did. Perhaps I have not inherited such rebellious characteristics. Indeed, I would say that this is perhaps the best Government we have had for a very long time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.106.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.149.1", "colnum": "149", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ian MacArthur", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ian MacArthur", "preceding_text": "l and social practice that seem to me to hamper the creative and commercial genius of our people. Moreover, I speak as a Conservative, and I find it difficult to reconcile these with Conservative principles. First, I wish to refer to the distribution of taxation. There is, surely, a strong case for recommending a shift of emphasis from direct taxation on income to indirect taxation on expenditure—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.149.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-06", "file": "debates1961-02-06a.xml", "sha256": "c7633224ff133169", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.149.1", "colnum": "149", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ian MacArthur", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why draw it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ian MacArthur", "preceding_text": "ces. One official pays them out and another taxes most of them back. Surely, that is a wasteful roundabout. At another and more humble level, I am myself drawing twenty-one pints of welfare milk a week and no attention is given to my income in granting this privilege, nor is the benefit taxed back in any way. I welcome this benefit personally, but it seems a little hard, perhaps, on my neighbours.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-06a.149.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.192.0", "colnum": "192", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MALTA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "I am sure that that argument would be right for this country but we must realise the situation—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.192.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.221.1", "colnum": "221", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "n and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman), that if the House saw its way to alter the arrangements as you understand them now to exist, you would be very much in favour of that happening, or, at least, you would find that agreeable. This is an urgent matter. Could not the Leader of the House, who is not present, be informed by one of his hon. Friends of what you have said in this matter and of how you think—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.221.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.223.6", "colnum": "223", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "preceding_text": "earing on economic growth. I do not suppose any hon. Member would be prepared to sacrifice these other objects of economic policy. It simply is no use considering the question of growth vitally important as it is, without taking into account these other matters. Secondly, some hon. Members opposite have made a great deal of capital out of what I might call the \"league table\" approach to economics.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.223.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.223.6", "colnum": "223", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Western Germany?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "preceding_text": "United Kingdom, the industrial sector is very large and in others it is very small. Obviously, it is easier to double something which is small than it is to double something which is large. Again, the choice of starting point is very important. The economy of a newly independent country in Africa or that of a country which has been devastated by war will obviously grow faster than our own economy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.223.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.226.1", "colnum": "226", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "I am not saying for one moment that it is wholly due to these factors.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.226.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.231.5", "colnum": "231", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is what the Government did.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "n Motion complains that we have not experienced steadily expanding production. But one thing is absolutely certain: if we had not taken the action that we did take, we would certainly have experienced a succession of booms and slumps which would have made the actual fluctuations in demand seem like chicken feed. Of course, it would be easy to pander to immediate popularity and let the economy rip.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.231.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.231.5", "colnum": "231", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "hieved merely by turning on a tap. All the experience of the 1950s shows beyond doubt that the easiest weapon at the Government's command, the increase of demand, is not enough by itself. Excess demand carries great dangers with it, not only for the balance of payments, but also by rapidly overloading our resources at home. I should like to quote a few lines from this month's issue of The Banker .", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.231.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.233.0", "colnum": "233", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Was it the right hon. Member for Battersea, North (Mr. Jay)?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "h by itself. Excess demand carries great dangers with it, not only for the balance of payments, but also by rapidly overloading our resources at home. I should like to quote a few lines from this month's issue of The Banker . [ Interruption. ] I shall be interested to know whether Members opposite agree with this. The article is headed \"Policy for Growth\". There is no author's name attached to it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.231.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.237.1", "colnum": "237", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Lee", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Give us some new ideas.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Lee", "preceding_text": "The Opposition asked for this economic debate because throughout the country there is grave apprehension about the state of the economy following the disastrous year of 1960. We were ex-peoting and the nation was expecting that in the course of these two days we would hear from the Treasury Bench about new ideas to redress the balance of our trade during the last year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.237.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.251.1", "colnum": "251", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"That applies to public ownership as well.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "preceding_text": "t public monopoly. I turn from the responsibilities of Government to those of industry itself. I believe we have confused the issue very greatly by this rather sloppy sentimentality about partnership in industry. I do not believe there is, or ever can be, complete and equal partnership as between employers and trade unions and private enterprise. All vital decisions have to be taken by management.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.251.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.304.1", "colnum": "304", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to my noble Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.304.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1", "colnum": "309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "admirable company I am in, when saying that. I said it in the Budget debate last year. Hon. Members will remember my contretemps with the Chancellor of the Exchequer on that occasion. I hope I shall not have to be as violent with his successor. I said on 5th April. 1960: The fourth proposal should have been that the commencement level of Surtax be raised from £2,000 to £3,000, a bonus for brains.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1", "colnum": "309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "I am in, when saying that. I said it in the Budget debate last year. Hon. Members will remember my contretemps with the Chancellor of the Exchequer on that occasion. I hope I shall not have to be as violent with his successor. I said on 5th April. 1960: The fourth proposal should have been that the commencement level of Surtax be raised from £2,000 to £3,000, a bonus for brains.—[ Interruption. ]—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1", "colnum": "309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ful Stock Exchange speculation should be made to pay their fair share. A capital gains tax would bring in quite a lot of money. The Labour leader was repeating what he had said in a speech at Derby on Saturday night, when he was loudly interrupted and booed. The tax system was not related to the knd of incentive that should be given to expand production and exports. That is exactly the same thing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1", "colnum": "309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": " in a speech at Derby on Saturday night, when he was loudly interrupted and booed. The tax system was not related to the knd of incentive that should be given to expand production and exports. That is exactly the same thing. [ Interruption. ] I will come presently to capital gains and will deal with all these matters in turn. Now, we have the hon. Member for Bosworth, the Leader of the Opposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.312.0", "colnum": "312", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"That is not fair.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ilar sense said that incentives were essential in this field of our activity. I do not wish to go further on this theme for the moment, because I used these arguments last year. I am delighted to see that the hon. Member for Bosworth, the Leader of the Opposition, my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade and my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer have all—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.312.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.322.1", "colnum": "322", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "r selective austerity directed against the poorest sections of the community. When I refer to a four-year plan, let no one under-rate the success in expanding industry, investment and export earning capacity achieved by the Labour Government in the implementation of the four-year plan that was put to the O.E.E.C. in 1948, from the success of which the Conservatives were quick to gather the fruits.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.322.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-07", "file": "debates1961-02-07a.xml", "sha256": "36cc4d18378d557d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.322.1", "colnum": "322", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "n this country to meet the television consumer market. Having done that, they should draw up and measure the public commitments for years ahead in the social services, including education and health, and ensure that the resources will be there to meet them. I suggest that the Government should draw up and publish a national plan on this basis. There is no time tonight to go into the details of it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-07a.322.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.382.1", "colnum": "382", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "Mr. Wall.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.382.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.409.0", "colnum": "409", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": " It called for charges\" for board in hospitals. In April 1958, and in November, 1959, the Minister himself canvassed the abolition of all subsidies on social services, and particularly the subsidies on housing. I hardly need to read quotations—I do not think that the Minister will dispute them. On housing, he made a declaration that The council house system today is morally and socially damaging\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.406.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.409.3", "colnum": "409", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "For the moment, I am dealing with what hon. Members on both sides—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.409.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.410.1", "colnum": "410", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ot the teacher. Turning to the second argument, every time Health Service or prescription charges come up in the House reference is made to Labour's action in 1950 and 1951. The allegations are that we imposed a ceiling and we imposed charges. As a matter of detail, we did not impose charges. We introduced an enabling Bill under which the Tory Minister imposed charges. I do not make a lot of that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.410.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.415.0", "colnum": "415", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "Will my hon. Friend allow me to tell him that there are so many points I could take up that I should be here for the rest of the day? I had better leave a few for him and for others to raise. When the Minister says that the cost of the Service cannot be allowed to go on increasing at so high a rate\", what he really means is that we cannot manage 2 per cent. a year for the Health Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.415.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1", "colnum": "422", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "No comment about that. Is it Brighton?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1", "colnum": "422", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "No comment about that. Is it Brighton? [ Interruption. ] I am sorry. I got my Johnsons mixed up. I was thinking of the Johnsons whom the Conservative Party heaved out. I am sorry, I got the wrong Johnson. However, I will be in Carlisle just the same.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1", "colnum": "422", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " and get a prescription from him. It also helps another collection of pals: it helps all those chaps on television who night after night are coming forward with their specious advertisements for the very things the Minister says are causing waste. It is a penalty on those who are chemically sick. I shall listen with interest to as much as I can of the debate, but I have other commitments to go to.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1", "colnum": "422", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "nt it gets that kind of silly laughter. I shall be in the House as long as I can be here; but in case I should miss anybody's speech I was apologising in advance. It will be only at the time of another commitment I have elsewhere That is all. That is all I meant. Surely it is nothing to cause people to laugh like that. Have hon. Members opposite received the kind of letters which we have receivef—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.422.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.423.2", "colnum": "423", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Grant-Ferris", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grant-Ferris", "preceding_text": "To be perfectly honest, I have not had any such letters at all.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.423.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.424.0", "colnum": "424", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grant-Ferris", "preceding_text": "To be perfectly honest, I have not had any such letters at all. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] It is absolutely true. It may be that we have a much healthier climate in the Nantwich constituency. But, quite apart from that, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, is it in order for the right hon. Gentleman to speak to an hon. Member in the tones and the manner that he did?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.423.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.426.1", "colnum": "426", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "ile other sides have been developed. This is the human side, the relationship between hospital and patient; the attitude of the hospital service to the individual man and woman in its care as a human being and not merely as a case. I believe that in this respect some parts, at any rate, of the hospital service have been out of step with its general development. The Central Health Services Council—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.426.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.428.1", "colnum": "428", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "sale alteration and modernisation of the pattern over the coming decade and decade and a half which is undoubtedly necessary. But this prospect of being able with security and with sureness to look forward to development in terms of decades has already in my experience revolutionised the morale of the hospital service. There is already an immense surge of confidence and a forward-looking attitude.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.428.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.432.7", "colnum": "432", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "mily doctors is reflected by the fact that since 1952 the population in areas which are under-doctored has fallen from 21 million to 9 million. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State and I are having re-examined the data and calculations which underlie the estimate of the future of the size of the profession in the Willink Report. Finally, I should like to refer to the general dental service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.432.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.434.1", "colnum": "434", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": " Service to the Exchequer will have increased over three years by about 20 per cent. All hon. Members, in whatever part of the House they sit, are perfectly well aware that a rate of increase in the cost to the Exchequer of that order cannot continue without one of two things happening—either the development of the Service being limited, or an adjustment being made in the financing of the Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.434.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.434.1", "colnum": "434", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Party politics.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "s that the party opposite also came to the conclusion that there was a point beyond which the increasing cost of the Service could not be put upon general taxation. Hon. and right hon. Members opposite are not a party which has any aversion to high rates of taxation, but they came to the conclusion that there was a point beyond which the increased net cost could not be borne upon general taxation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.434.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.437.1", "colnum": "437", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": " both able and willing to purchase the vitamin supplements which their children require, just like every other element of family requirements in the condition of the high standard of living of the 1960's. An indiscriminate subsidy for this purpose is no longer necessary. What we need, of course, is something which will get at the families which are in real need and in real risk of being neglected.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.437.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.442.4", "colnum": "442", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Margaret Herbison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Point of order!\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Margaret Herbison", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. The Minister is dealing with a most important matter, which affects many people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.442.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.444.2", "colnum": "444", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "ndermining of the National Health Service, I will not close with these matters which, important though they are, are of comparatively minor dimensions in relation to the Service as a whole. I would refer the House again to the background against which the debate is taking place. It is a background of the steady development, year by year, of this Service, which both sides of the House have created—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.444.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.444.4", "colnum": "444", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. A. Pargiter", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is not.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. A. Pargiter", "preceding_text": "r say, \"All right, I only wanted to prescribe a certain amount, but if I prescribe double the amount that will justify the payment\"? Alternatively, will the chemist have to administer this? Will the chemist have to say, \"I am sorry about this, you had better buy this item over the counter and it will cost you less\"? I do not know whether a chemist is entitled to cross an item off the prescription—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.444.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.455.1", "colnum": "455", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "preceding_text": "ospital buildings which all of us want to see. The Minister made a very great deal out of the proposed capital investment in hospitals. He almost based the whole of his case on that. Today he purposely devoted a great part of his speech, not to dealing with the indictment of our Motion of censure, but again to saying what the Government would do in the future. I can remember the Guillebaud Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.455.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.455.1", "colnum": "455", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the Secretary of State for Scotland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "preceding_text": "ill meet this 2s. per item on the prescriptions. The Minister has spoken about the need for better hospitals. At present, over half the hospital beds in the country are for the mentally sick. From what I saw of that woman who came to my home worried to death, it seems to me that there will be far more mental illness caused by the Minister of Health and these shocking charges that he is putting on.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.455.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.461.3", "colnum": "461", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "the Member for Ludlow (Mr. More) on a truly admirable maiden speech. He spoke from a personal knowledge of the hospital service and I feel I can say on behalf of the whole House that his speech was of a kind that will be welcome and that we wish to hear on many occasions in future. There are many hon. Members on this side of the House who are glad to see Her Majesty's Opposition united once again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.461.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.462.1", "colnum": "462", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "n in which the Health Service was when we took office. We took office in 1951 when the Leader of the Opposition introduced his one and only Budget. That was the year in which the National Health Service charges went up and the right hon. Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson) went out. Hon. Members opposite also accuse us in their Motion of placing a heavy burden on those who are least able to bear it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.462.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.494.0", "colnum": "494", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Vickers", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Vickers", "preceding_text": ", but it is right to point out that there are abuses of certain services and that it is necessary to take them into consideration when we make these changes. The increase in the average length of life in Britain is a great credit to the service. In India the average is only about 32 years, but the average length of life here is increasing year by year. This is partly because of the Health Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.494.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.497.1", "colnum": "497", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is the other way round.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "preceding_text": "erhaps this irritates doctors more than anything else—is that last night, on the Consolidated Fund Bill, Parliament voted a sum to meet the Pilkington recommendation for higher doctor's pay, and that sum is the very same as the amount to be raised by higher prescription charges. In other words, the doctors seem to be getting a rise because the patients will have to pay 2s. instead of 1s. per item.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.497.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.504.1", "colnum": "504", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "preceding_text": "In her eloquent speech, the hon. Lady the Member for Cannock (Miss Lee) said that the language of priorities was the religion of Socialism. While I certainly would not find that a very satisfying—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.504.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.504.1", "colnum": "504", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "preceding_text": "ealth Service but in the welfare services as a whole. It is not part of my argument that we as a country should spend less on the social services. On the contrary, I hope and believe that as the years go by and as our national income increases we shall spend more and more on the social services, but I want to see that expenditure going where it is really needed, on building new hospitals, prisons—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.504.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.516.1", "colnum": "516", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What is the hon. Gentleman talking about?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "preceding_text": "the last occasion the increase in the cost to local health services was considerable and attracted Exchequer grant at the same rate as other general grant services. There is every reason to suppose that when future general grants are settled this pattern will be followed, except that by then the proportion of local health to total relevant expenditure for general grant will very likely have risen.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.516.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1", "colnum": "519", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about 1950?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "ture. In the course of a decade, (he cost of education has increased from about 3 per cent. of the gross national product to over 4 per cent. The hon. Gentleman asked about health expenditure. Those figures have already been given in this debate. Expenditure on health has increased from about 3· 4 per cent. of the gross national product in 1957 to just about 4 per cent. at the present time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1", "colnum": "519", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "per cent. of the gross national product to over 4 per cent. The hon. Gentleman asked about health expenditure. Those figures have already been given in this debate. Expenditure on health has increased from about 3· 4 per cent. of the gross national product in 1957 to just about 4 per cent. at the present time—[HON. MEMBERS: \"What about 1950?\"] In 1950 it was also 4 per cent., but education—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1", "colnum": "519", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Korea.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "s we are now discussing. I maintain that in those circumstancs, the action of the Government is perfectly reasonable and only responsible. After all, we are here dealing with a problem that has faced all Governments in their turn. In this debate, hon. Members have frequently shown that they do not want to be reminded of what they did in 1950 and 1951, but let us not forget that in his 1950 Budget—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.519.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.521.1", "colnum": "521", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I return to the point—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.521.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.521.1", "colnum": "521", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What country?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "can possibly prove of damage to it, so I have no doubt whatever that we are right, in our social service policy, in giving priority to capital expenditure but not failing, when necessary, to take unpopular decisions in regard to current expenditure. Whatever may have been said in this debate, and whatever may be said in the House, I believe that there is a wide measure of agreement in the country—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.521.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.534.1", "colnum": "534", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "We now come to the increase in the National Health Service contribution of 1s., and I hope that it will be with the agreement of the Committee, after a not Wholly uncontroversial debate earlier this evening, if I confine myself in this speech to an exposition of the Government's proposals and do not indulge in a great deal of argument or justification.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.534.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.534.1", "colnum": "534", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "tion of the Government's proposals and do not indulge in a great deal of argument or justification. [ Interruption. ] There will be plenty of opportunity for more argumentative discussion in which I and others will be delighted to take part, but, solely from the point of view of the convenience of the Committee, I think that on this occasion hon. Members would prefer a speech mainly of exposition.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.534.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.541.5", "colnum": "541", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "This is an increase.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Douglas Glover", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman has referred about four times to the enormity of doing something before the Budget. I remember that the hon. Gentleman was in favour of the Chancellor altering the rates of Purchase Tax before Budget because it was retarding trade. If a reduction in that way is supported, why is this not supported?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.541.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.556.1", "colnum": "556", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Julian Snow", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Julian Snow", "preceding_text": "Is my hon. Friend aware that last October, for the first time, there was introduced into the standard contractual terms a clause which specifically prohibited the purchase by hospital groups of drugs from abroad, in flat contradiction to the provisions of Section 46 of the Act?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.556.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.558.1", "colnum": "558", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Stross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Is it true? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Stross", "preceding_text": "ith that prescription to the chemist, who has four of the brands but not the fifth, which is the one on the prescription. He is not allowed to give the mother any penicillin. If it is too late at night to do anything he must try to get it in the morning, and she must go to him again then, before which time the baby's condition will worsen without this life-saving antibiotic. What nonsense this is.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.558.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.560.1", "colnum": "560", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "I very much regret that since about seven o'clock tonight hon. and right hon. Members opposite seem to have treated this whole subject in what I think is a very hilarious and utterly irresponsible manner—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.560.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.560.8", "colnum": "560", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order, Sir Gordon. Would you remind the hon. Gentleman, who has been a Member of this House for a number of years, that when we are in Committee it is customary to give way.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.560.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.562.7", "colnum": "562", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "The exchanges in the last five minutes sufficiently underline all I have previously said. It is deplorable—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.562.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.563.0", "colnum": "563", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "uld be financed. I think the right hon. Member for East Stirlingshire was very constructive in the early part of his speech in which he laid down the difficulties with which the Labour Government were certainly faced in seeing how it should be financed. There is no doubt that this Service is developing, perhaps faster than many thought it would, say, ten or fifteen years ago when it was initiated.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.563.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.563.0", "colnum": "563", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "ith which the Labour Government were certainly faced in seeing how it should be financed. There is no doubt that this Service is developing, perhaps faster than many thought it would, say, ten or fifteen years ago when it was initiated. [ Interruption. ] I wish hon. Members would pay some attention to the facts and not try to tub-thump as if there were an election three weeks ahead. The facts are—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.563.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.585.5", "colnum": "585", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": " as well begin by being generous and let the Committee say its piece. Let hon. Members raise their points and allow an opportunity for discussion. It is already one o'clock in the morning. It cannot be a matter of great moment whether the Closure is moved now or the debate is allowed to continue. I therefore ask the Patronage Secretary, speaking now as a House of Commons man and not as a partisan—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.585.5"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.589.3", "colnum": "589", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "When?", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "That matter has already been decided.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.589.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.2", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "On a point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.2", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "between you and one of the Government Whips which was quite inaudible to everybody else. We have no idea, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, what business you are about to allege you conducted with that hon. Gentleman during that inaudible conversation. In view of the whole proceedings of the last twenty-five minutes, which I regard as disgraceful, I beg to move that you leave the Chair and send for Mr. Speaker.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.3", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Sir Gordon Touche)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Sir Gordon Touche)", "preceding_text": "Order. Order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.4", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Leave the Chair.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Sir Gordon Touche)", "preceding_text": "Order. Order. [ Interruption. ]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.5", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "Order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.5", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "Order. [ Interruption. ] Order. We are now on the—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.6", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Leave the Chair.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "Order. [ Interruption. ] Order. We are now on the—[ Interruption. ]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.7", "colnum": "591", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "Send for Mr. Speaker.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.591.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.592.1", "colnum": "592", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "The Question before the House is, \"That this House do now adjourn\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.592.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-08", "file": "debates1961-02-08a.xml", "sha256": "d130a79d3e698b3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.592.2", "colnum": "592", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " years. I moved, in the full hearing of everybody—which the Government Whip did not do—that you send for Mr. Speaker. It was the only Motion heard to be moved. It was the only Motion anybody heard. Nobody heard your private conversation. I persist in claiming my right to move that you send for Mr. Speaker and do not purport to carry the House on some private conversation of your own that you have—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-08a.592.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.595.0", "colnum": "595", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "are disallowable items under a maintenance relief claim against Income Tax Schedule A, would not my right hon. Friend consider instructing the inspectors of taxes to enclose in the envelopes carrying the Schedule A assessment a detailed list, in proper form and carefully categorised, of all the items which are admissible and those which are not? Some of us are not as clever as others, Mr. Speaker.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.594.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.613.7", "colnum": "613", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Donnelly", "preceding_text": "Can the Financial Secretary tell the House whether the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his absence from the House today contemplating the Budget, is impaled Scylla or Charybdis?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.613.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.621.2", "colnum": "621", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — DEPARTMENT OF SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Now that the hon. Gentleman has got off his supplementary question, I will ask him one in return.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.621.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.632.1", "colnum": "632", "heading": "NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE INDUSTRY (ROYAL COMMISSION)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think that in the long tradition of the House I should be pardoned for not answering a question so offensively poised—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.632.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.635.3", "colnum": "635", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "Order. The right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition may not say that on this question.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.635.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.635.5", "colnum": "635", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "bout him. The right hon. Gentleman's third point is also one not to be addressed to me. I cannot reply for the Chairman of Ways and Means. This is a matter which must be left to the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition and his contact with the Chair. As for the general issue, I am sure that it will be the wish of the House that we should proceed in an orderly manner with our business.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.635.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.642.3", "colnum": "642", "heading": "VOTES AND PROCEEDINGS, 9th FEBRUARY, 1961", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "ICIAL REPORT that has been placed in the Library. According to the OFFICIAL REPORT, the Motion for the Adjournment was made at 1.15 a.m. and about 1.20 a.m. my right hon. Friend the Member for Belper (Mr. G. Brown) was speaking and said: I persist in claiming my right to move that you send for Mr. Speaker and do not purport to carry the House on some private conversation of your own that you have—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.642.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.698.3", "colnum": "698", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "preceding_text": "nd I know one or two things about dentures. What we need is a Private Member's Motion on the subject of dentists and dentures and then we shall be able to \"spill the beans\" about them. A year ago, on 27th February, I moved a Private Member's Motion on the subject of the Supplementary Ophthalmic Service. I have no intention of repeating the speech which I made on that occasion, or even parts of it—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.698.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.737.2", "colnum": "737", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Harriet Slater", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Harriet Slater", "preceding_text": "e to pay more money for them. This is a niggling saving—that is the only word I can find—at the expense of welfare and the status of our Health Service. The hon. Member for Stroud (Mr. Kershaw) made a cheap sneer about the only people opposing these proposals being, in the main, Left-wing Socialists. All kinds of Socialists have spoken today, but the fundamental fact is that we are all Socialists.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.737.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.741.1", "colnum": "741", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Denys Bullard", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denys Bullard", "preceding_text": "iddle of her speech. I am an admirer of what my right hon. Friend wants to do with the National Health Service, particularly concerning the expansion of the hospital service. I do not think that it can be said that he is an \"axe man\". Rather the reverse is the case. I am not, however, a great believer in the payment for prescriptions, glasses and the other charges which it is proposed to increase—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.741.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1", "colnum": "744", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "You put me in some difficulty, Mr. Speaker, because I was endeavouring to reply to the debate. I am bound to say that I had thought that there were no better preventive health services than this extra nourishment given, with the aid of subsidy, to the children. This has now been taken away as part of this operation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1", "colnum": "744", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "er, because I was endeavouring to reply to the debate. I am bound to say that I had thought that there were no better preventive health services than this extra nourishment given, with the aid of subsidy, to the children. This has now been taken away as part of this operation. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"] I find that I have another note about something that might be a little out of order, Mr. Speaker.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1", "colnum": "744", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "ought that there were no better preventive health services than this extra nourishment given, with the aid of subsidy, to the children. This has now been taken away as part of this operation. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"] I find that I have another note about something that might be a little out of order, Mr. Speaker. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] Yes, but only out of order because Mr. Speaker is in the Claim.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1", "colnum": "744", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Till the next election.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "that these charges were temporary. He was sure that they were, and he referred to the provision in Clause 2 (2) which states: The power to vary a charge conferred by this section shall include power to direct that it shall not be payable. I wonder whether the Secretary of State will tell us that it is the Government's intention that these increases in charges or these charges at all are temporary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.744.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.750.1", "colnum": "750", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "so that in those ten years we had almost a fivefold increase. This is an example of the tragic effects which the right hon. Member for Middlesbrough, East forecast. I am singling him out because his quotation was most striking. There is no doubt that this transfer from the provision of dentures to the provision of treatment has been repaid by what has been done over these years. It is quite wrong—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.750.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.751.5", "colnum": "751", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "to practically every speech, except those during an interval of about an hour. The whole charge against the Bill has been made on this point. Hon. Gentlemen have talked about the destruction of the National Health Service. That is absolute nonsense. All these things were said before. The National Health Service has not gone back, but has improved steadily. I deal now with the provision of glasses.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.751.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.753.0", "colnum": "753", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": " Until hon. Members opposite learn that they have no monopoly in human feelings; until they learn that throughout history there have been people from every walk of life in this country who have devoted themselves to doing what is best to improve the lot of their fellow human-beings—until they learn those lessons hon. Members opposite will remain hopelessly out of date, and the nation will realise—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.753.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.754.1", "colnum": "754", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "My right hon. Friend went through many of the other developments in the social services and in the National Health Service which have taken place in recent years. I come now to the end of my speech—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.754.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.766.0", "colnum": "766", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "I have seldom heard such an ingenuous—it would be better, perhaps, to say \"disingenuous\"—explanation. The Minister has set out—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.766.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.767.0", "colnum": "767", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "All right. We have a certain amount of time. If the hon. Member wishes to help us, by all means let him do so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.767.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.767.0", "colnum": "767", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER: \"The right hon. Gentleman is standing up.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "All right. We have a certain amount of time. If the hon. Member wishes to help us, by all means let him do so. [ Interruption. ] You will notice, Sir Gordon, that there are an awful lot of hon. Members speaking while sitting down.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.767.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.768.0", "colnum": "768", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. G. Willis", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. G. Willis", "preceding_text": "r Scotland, who, I am sure, in his usual assiduous fashion, has carefully gone into this in so far as it affects Scotland, is, what is this sum which will be paid out of moneys provided by Parliament to meet any increase attributable to that Act in the sums payable out of moneys so provided under the …. National Health Service (Scotland) Act, 1947. I think that is a perfectly fair question.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.768.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.768.1", "colnum": "768", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Does he know?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. G. Willis", "preceding_text": " sums payable out of moneys so provided under the …. National Health Service (Scotland) Act, 1947. I think that is a perfectly fair question. [ Interruption. ] Certainly it is. If the Government come to the people of Scotland and tell the people of Scotland that they are making a gift, we have a right to ask the right hon. Gentleman what the gift is, and what this sum is going to amount to.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.768.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.769.1", "colnum": "769", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "I have not yet discovered what the amount is.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.769.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.771.2", "colnum": "771", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "If I may, with the permission of the Patronage Secretary—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.771.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.771.2", "colnum": "771", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "If I may, with the permission of the Patronage Secretary— [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"]—I get a little tired of hearing some of my hon. Friends—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.771.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1", "colnum": "772", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "When my hon. Friend asks such a question I wonder where he has been. I rise on behalf of the people of Wales.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1", "colnum": "772", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": " of the people of Wales. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] We are reputed to have a watch-dog for Welsh Affairs who sits on the Front Bench opposite. It is quite clear that he has gone to his kennel. We have not been privileged to see the Minister for Welsh Affairs. We have a special interest in this Money Resolution because we have been told that the people of Wales have drawn on the dental services—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1", "colnum": "772", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He is the watchdog.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": " Bench opposite. It is quite clear that he has gone to his kennel. We have not been privileged to see the Minister for Welsh Affairs. We have a special interest in this Money Resolution because we have been told that the people of Wales have drawn on the dental services—[ Interruption. ] Does my right hon. Friend the Member for Belper (Mr. G. Brown) wish me to wait? I do not wish to interrupt him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1", "colnum": "772", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "ut I must say that I am a bit surprised at the way hon. Members opposite are behaving. I hope that if the Secretary of State for Scotland is going to answer my Scottish hon. Friends and give them the information for which they asked concerning the part of the Money Resolution which relates to Scotland, the Minister of Health, in the absence of his right hon. Friend the Minister for Welsh Affairs.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.772.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-09", "file": "debates1961-02-09a.xml", "sha256": "766642cf347946f0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.778.8", "colnum": "778", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "It is only those increased charges which are levied on hospital outpatients which will be paid into the Exchequer and which are therefore covered by paragraph ( b ). This Money Resolution is not necessary at all—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-09a.778.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-10", "file": "debates1961-02-10a.xml", "sha256": "2d1821496d9d382b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-10a.892.1", "colnum": "892", "heading": "Orders of the Day — MEDICAL TERMINATION OF PREGNANCY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "I found myself in great difficulty. I am a great supporter of the Government—as everybody knows—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-10a.892.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.914.1", "colnum": "914", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PENSIONS AND NATIONAL INSURANCE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "preceding_text": "My right hon. Friend and I have the greatest sympathy with this very tragic and practically unique case. But, as I explained to the hon. Lady, in the first place such an application must be made by the parents. This benefit is an orphan's benefit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.914.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.914.3", "colnum": "914", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PENSIONS AND NATIONAL INSURANCE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "preceding_text": "I have already said that we have every sympathy with this case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.914.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.940.1", "colnum": "940", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ult of agreement, in the expunging of the records, but their motives were very different. That in 1782 was carried, as you will know, Mr. Speaker, after having been moved every year for seven years. I am prompted to pause and say to the Patronage Secretary that I hope he realises what a vista is opened for us should this Motion not be carried. Every year, for seven years, at every stage of a Bill—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.940.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.943.2", "colnum": "943", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ions and alterations of alterations that it is quite impossible to read the original and it is impossible also to read several of the second thoughts. Plainly, one thing which was not as certain as the Journal would show is that the thing was clear at the moment when it was happening. There was at the time a good deal of turbulence, as I believe we call it, but, in my view, not extravagantly much.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.943.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.943.2", "colnum": "943", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "tary, which was so openly and, if I may say so, arrogantly taken, the Patronage Secretary then chose, loudly and openly, to prompt the Financial Secretary to get to his feet, an action which the Financial Secretary clearly had not in mind at that stage. This was so obvious that I then moved to report Progress, as is shown in col. 579 of HANSARD. I will not weary the House with reading what I said.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.943.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.947.1", "colnum": "947", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "e circumstances in which it occurred, because I think that it is relevant to what happened subsequently. I will not press it any further. That is how it happened, at the point it happened, and that was the state of the House when it happened. At that point the Chair immediately accepted the Motion moved, and equally immediately there was uproar in the House which had not existed before that point.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.947.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1", "colnum": "948", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": ", when that was said in answer to a point of order, there was a chorus of \"When?\" from hon. Members all over the House, who clearly at that stage did not even know what Motion had, in fact, been taken. This, I am sure, you will accept as in order, Sir. We are absolutely as certain as we can be that no other Motion was ever put at all. After that point, the occupant of the Chair did not rise again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1", "colnum": "948", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ted in that way, as no other business was going on in that way. It records the business as having been conducted and the Motion as having been carried. Now I come to the point raised by the hon. Member for Farnham. In our time, many of us, in one capacity or another, have been asked to write out the minutes of a meeting after an involved and violent discussion, when the outcome was very uncertain.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1", "colnum": "948", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "it purports to give a clear record of something which the House understood was being done, and which it allowed to be done, knowing that it was being done, when, in the clear recollection of everybody present, it certainly did not know what was being done. Even if it could be argued against me that it was done, even if it could be argued that I was not wide enough awake to see what was being done—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1", "colnum": "948", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "d to be done, knowing that it was being done, when, in the clear recollection of everybody present, it certainly did not know what was being done. Even if it could be argued against me that it was done, even if it could be argued that I was not wide enough awake to see what was being done—[ Interruption. ] Let us treat this rather more seriously. This is one of the occasions of history, is it not?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.948.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.1", "colnum": "954", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " forgive my interrupting? The hon. Gentleman has said this twice. I am listening to him all the time. There are certain other things one has to do, such as sending one's notes to those who have asked for them, as he knows. It is an abuse of the practice of the House to introduce what is intended to be a derogatory reference. The hon. Gentleman knows very well I am listening to each point he makes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.3", "colnum": "954", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman feels—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.4", "colnum": "954", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "Wait for it. If the right hon. Gentleman feels I have impugned him I most willingly withdraw.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.4", "colnum": "954", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": ". MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] I was seeking to satisfy myself that he took his ultimate stand in moving this Motion, as I understood him to do, on a particular statement that, even if the record was accurate, it was misleading. What he is saying—I am sure that he perceives it—is that no record, accurate or inaccurate, is, therefore, of very much value to Members if they do not choose to agree with it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.6", "colnum": "954", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": " will leave it to the record. Let me give my own very humble back bench account of what I perceived myself at the time in question. First, it is not in doubt, I understand, that the Closure Motion was, within the rules of the House, properly moved. I understand that that is not in dispute. The record up to that point, as a record, is not, therefore, challenged. I was myself at the Bar of the House", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.954.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.955.3", "colnum": "955", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": ". I came back again to the Bar of the House, and I listened to the next part of the proceedings. It was perfectly plain to me that, following the acceptance, whether willing or unwilling, of the Closure Motion, the main Question must be put, and to me, observing the scene from my place at the Bar of the House, it was so apparent that the main Question was being put that I went back into the Lobby.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.955.3"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.955.6", "colnum": "955", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "I know that the hon. Member will permit me to complete my sentence. I am not—let me make it plain—trying to argue the merits or demerits of moving one of these Motions. I am trying to make it plain—no more than this, because this is all I can speak to; I cannot speak to more than this—that to me, standing at the Bar of the House, it was, in fact, apparent—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.955.6"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.16", "colnum": "956", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Did you hear it?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "What I observed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.15"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.17", "colnum": "956", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What did you hear?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "—to my own satisfaction. I am not claiming that what I observed was to the satisfaction of other hon. Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.17"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.19", "colnum": "956", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "And that is what I observed, and I went into the Lobby to record my vote. I came back again to find to my surprise that apparently Members opposite had not observed the same thing as myself.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.956.19"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.5", "colnum": "957", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "Mr. G. Brown rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.8", "colnum": "957", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That does not make it a point of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. The hon. Member was referring to me.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.12", "colnum": "957", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Withdraw.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. The House is at present debating a Motion which depends on a question of fact. The hon. Member is making a speech in which he appears to be deliberately misleading the House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.957.12"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.958.8", "colnum": "958", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"In the bar.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "Before the hon. Member sits down, may I put this to him? I understood his challenge to me to be on the ground that he heard down there at the Bar—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.958.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.965.1", "colnum": "965", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": "I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman cares to answer the question now. Did the hon. Gentleman hear the Question put or did he not? Would he care to answer now?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.965.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2", "colnum": "967", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": " show in dealing with the second leg of the right hon. Gentleman's argument, it is not so much the Executive which is running away with things here, but it should be the wish of all Members of this House to preserve our own method of doing things in the House of Commons and not to question our records when, in my view, despite the difficulties of that particular evening, they were in fact correct.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2", "colnum": "967", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"We were there.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "be the wish of all Members of this House to preserve our own method of doing things in the House of Commons and not to question our records when, in my view, despite the difficulties of that particular evening, they were in fact correct. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I shall attempt to show as patiently as I can why I think they were correct, and then we will leave the matter to the decision of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2", "colnum": "967", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": " the records are correct, and that the machinery upon which we depend for making these records was functioning without reproach on that night, and I now propose to try to do that. First, I want to refer to the human machinery. This is the concern of the Whips on both sides and the Clerks at the Table. I can pledge myself to say that the Government Whips are satisfied that the records are accurate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.967.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.972.3", "colnum": "972", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "ndsworth, Central (Mr. Hughes Young), had the duty of reporting what had happened in Committee in the time-honoured form, which is, \"I beg to report the Committee have agreed to the Resolution which they have directed me to report to the House.\" It is inconceivable, in the event of any failure of the Chairman to put the final Question, that the Deputy Chief Whip would have proceeded with his duty—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.972.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.975.1", "colnum": "975", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": "ast majority of us did not know what was going on and had no opportunity to find out. I say this to the hon. Gentleman. That is not a question of who caused any turbulence or who was more responsible for this or for that—it is a pure question of fact. If the Government are going to vote this Motion down in the Lobbies, what they are voting for is, in my submission, a real inaccuracy in the record—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.975.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.975.1", "colnum": "975", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": " invited to stand by a record which cannot stand on the real point. That and that only is what we are being asked to vote about. We are told that nobody likes the debate—the hon. Member for Ormskirk (Sir D. Glover) just said so. I say this. I should dislike far more a continued appearance on the record of what is there now because in truth and in substance, on the real point, that record is a lie—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.975.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.978.5", "colnum": "978", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": " the Chair. It is not argued that a Division was called on that. It is not argued that Tellers were not put in from this side of the House. I cannot help feeling that, as much conversation was taking place that night and as a great number of right hon. Members of the Opposition spent much time around the Table afterwards trying to find out what had happened, it seems they forgot to put in Tellers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.978.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.989.3", "colnum": "989", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member for Nantwich (Mr. Grant-Ferris) is the first hon. Member on the other side to claim to have heard the Chairman.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.989.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.991.2", "colnum": "991", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "his debate? Are they really claiming, if there is anybody on the Front Bench able to speak for them, that this is a proper question 'to be subject to the operation of the Whip? I have been known to urge things on my own Front Bench as well and I am sure the Leader of the Opposition would be very glad to say that there should be a free vote on this subject. I would urge him very strongly to say it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.991.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1", "colnum": "994", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "e right hon. Member for Belper (Mr. G. Brown) for the cause which he advocates. At the same time, we are taking a decision on a matter for Parliament. I do not think we should be taking a political decision, and that is the point I wish to argue. On the occasion in question, I came into the Chamber, I entered by that door and stood close to the Chair—the side chair—and I heard the Division called.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1", "colnum": "994", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "ch he advocates. At the same time, we are taking a decision on a matter for Parliament. I do not think we should be taking a political decision, and that is the point I wish to argue. On the occasion in question, I came into the Chamber, I entered by that door and stood close to the Chair—the side chair—and I heard the Division called. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"] The one that is referred to here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1", "colnum": "994", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which Division?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "k we should be taking a political decision, and that is the point I wish to argue. On the occasion in question, I came into the Chamber, I entered by that door and stood close to the Chair—the side chair—and I heard the Division called. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"] The one that is referred to here. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"] I am discussing the Motion on the Order Paper that we are now debating.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.994.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.996.0", "colnum": "996", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Cheap.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Lever", "preceding_text": "Perhaps it would assist the hon. Lady if someone made her aware of the fact—as she is giving testimony as to what occurred on another occasion—that Mr. Deputy-Speaker left the Chair about a quarter of an hour ago and that you, Mr. Speaker, now occupy it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.995.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.997.1", "colnum": "997", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Sitting.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "y own eyes and ears, but after that point I had my eyes fixed on the right hon. Member for Belper. The thought passed through my mind at the time, \"How wonderful it is just to go on like that\". I thought he had to work very hard to try to make his voice heard over the tumult on his own side. I turned to look at the Chairman in the Chair, and I thought to myself that he was sitting there listening—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.997.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.998.3", "colnum": "998", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "rupted. We elect people in this House to high positions, whether it is as Deputy-Speaker or as Clerks of the House. We have outstanding people of character and integrity. I think that the point of view which is being put forward by right hon. and hon. Members opposite, that if we want to get out way in the House and to hold up proceedings and Government action we have only to shout, is deplorable.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.998.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1004.3", "colnum": "1004", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "I think that it will be in the clear recollecion of hon. Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1004.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1005.3", "colnum": "1005", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Whispering to him.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": " heard only in part what was said. At intervals, I heard what was said. Otherwise, I saw the Chairman standing up. I am amazed that there should be such a difference of testimony about this. I am bound to confess that the Chairman was standing up behind the seats where the learned Clerk now is, and he was leaning over, with the object, I suppose, of hearing my hon. Friend the Government Whip, who—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1005.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1006.3", "colnum": "1006", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Properly\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "I have made that point. It is a question of fact. I quite understand that with hon. and right hon. Members shouting in his ear the hon. and learned Member might not have been able to follow clearly. Granting that, if the purposes of the Closure can be defeated, we might as well erase the Closure from our procedure. One should bear in mind that the Government have a right to have their business—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1006.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1007.1", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "hear it; but it was actually being done. We could see that. The Chairman at that point was certainly standing up. I must say that we then decided rather quickly that we would not go into the Division Lobby—not, let me say, because we did not resent bitterly the Closure Motion, but because, frankly, we were so fearfully indignant about it that we thought we would show our indignation by not moving.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1007.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1010.1", "colnum": "1010", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, shocking.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " on the annunciator. The right hon. Gentleman said to us a moment or two ago that he had ascertained that the tape material which would have given a complete answer to this had been destroyed. Yes, we also had discovered that. But my right hon. Friend the Member for Battersea, North (Mr. Jay) discovered something else. He inquired of the gentleman who operates the annunciator whether the Division—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1010.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1012.1", "colnum": "1012", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "; and the Speaker forthwith announces the decision of the House. That is exactly what happened on this occasion, The Chairman did not have the Tellers put in from the Opposition and he announced the decision of the Committee and that is recorded faithfully on the Minutes and in the records of proceedings. The fact that the Opposition did no:: put in Tellers for the Closure or for the later stages—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1012.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1015.2", "colnum": "1015", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.'", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I will acknowledge that this may have been a grave source of embarrassment to the Opposition. I perfectly well acknowledge that, but this was the logical sequence of the procedure of the House proceeding on its way. If we are to challenge the normal procedure of the House I think that we are challenging something—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1015.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1016.1", "colnum": "1016", "heading": "WAYS AND MEANS (NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I should like to put forward my interpretation of the situation and not use the fiery words of the right hon. Member. The position is this. I am not defending the Executive in this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1016.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1037.1", "colnum": "1037", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: Nobody did.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "re matters as emotive as the question of charges on the sick, the old and the poor, the Chairman should have a sense of atmosphere. If we just considered the Chairman and his rights, and let him go scot-free, then, to paraphrase Paine's famous saying, we should just be thinking of the plumage, forgetting the dying bird. I hope that no hon. Member opposite will say that this is all rather improper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1037.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1040.1", "colnum": "1040", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nigel Birch", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nigel Birch", "preceding_text": "about the Chief Whip, two things will happen. It is quite simple. First, it may be difficult to get Government business through—and hon. Members opposite will not mind about that. Secondly, and more important, it may be very difficult indeed to get anybody to be Chairman. Not many people would really wish to suffer the sort of treatment that my right hon. Friend the Chairman of Ways and Means got—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1040.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1047.1", "colnum": "1047", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "preceding_text": "ppen, on radio and in television, in other countries. I am as rough a Member of the House as there is in it. I am not one of those chaps who is given to finesse and to all the wonderful raising of points of order that are not points of order. I did not raise any of the thirty-two alleged points of order that were not. I am not good at it. Some people are too clever at it and it counts for nothing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1047.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1052.3", "colnum": "1052", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"By the Chief Whip's threat to move the Closure.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "dged the situation which, I thought, did not necessarily call for my presence. The position, therefore, is that it is quite legitimate for the House to criticise me, the Chief Whip, and the Government. The more criticism we have, the better we shall thrive on it, but what I said earlier represents the truth. I think that the Chair was influenced by the rather serious atmosphere of threat of upset.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1052.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1052.3", "colnum": "1052", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"You were not here.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": " quite legitimate for the House to criticise me, the Chief Whip, and the Government. The more criticism we have, the better we shall thrive on it, but what I said earlier represents the truth. I think that the Chair was influenced by the rather serious atmosphere of threat of upset. [HON. MEMBERS: \"By the Chief Whip's threat to move the Closure.\"] No, I do not believe that to have been the threat.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1052.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1058.1", "colnum": "1058", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Shepherd", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Shepherd", "preceding_text": "is quite arguable whether a debate ought to go on for two hours, four hours or six hours. There is nothing definite about the length of time which it is proper for a debate to continue, but we must have some regard to particular circumstances of this debate. I happen to feel strongly about some of the things connected with the Bill. I certainly want to speak on it on Wednesday, if I am allowed to.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1058.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1060.1", "colnum": "1060", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "preceding_text": "our duty must, therefore, be brought to his duty by the Chairman of Ways and Means, because he is the supreme authority on those occasions—and so many of our vitally important decisions are taken in Committee of the whole House. I am saying that the Government have made a mistake on this occasion in appointing to this office a man whose abilities are not appropriate to the dimensions of this task.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1060.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1066.2", "colnum": "1066", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Major Sir Frank Markham", "cue_text": "H ON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Major Sir Frank Markham", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Before the right hon. Gentleman speaks, I wonder whether you could enlighten us on what would be the repercussions of this debate in certain quarters on the assumption—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1066.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1066.2", "colnum": "1066", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Major Sir Frank Markham", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Major Sir Frank Markham", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Before the right hon. Gentleman speaks, I wonder whether you could enlighten us on what would be the repercussions of this debate in certain quarters on the assumption—[H ON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"] This is a point of order for you, Mr. Speaker. If this Division were passed, then, obviously, the Chairman of Ways and Means would have to resign straight away—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1066.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1068.10", "colnum": "1068", "heading": "CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS' ACTION ON CLOSURE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "What I have to say I must say because I feel that it has to be said. Whichever way the vote goes tonight, there ought to be a different attitude on the benches opposite to us and to the subject of debate in this House. Let us have the matter clear. This was not just another Bill. This was not just a filibuster on another Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1068.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1088.0", "colnum": "1088", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "the fishing fleet, this section will benefit at the expense of the inshore fleet. I pointed this out on Second Reading, and as a Scottish Member of Parliament I think this is particularly important for Scotland. Over 50 per cent. of the catch in Scotland is landed by inshore fishermen. Scottish Members of Parliament must watch this, because it is something of a threat to the inshore fishing fleet.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1088.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1089.3", "colnum": "1089", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. T. Paget", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. T. Paget", "preceding_text": "With respect, Sir Norman, we are dealing with a Clause that, in effect, subsidies the deep water fishing at the expense of the inshore fishing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1089.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1089.3", "colnum": "1089", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. T. Paget", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. T. Paget", "preceding_text": "With respect, Sir Norman, we are dealing with a Clause that, in effect, subsidies the deep water fishing at the expense of the inshore fishing. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Oh, yes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1089.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1092.9", "colnum": "1092", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "May I follow that up, Sir Norman? I think we are all anxious to make progress, and we are very sorry that some hon. Members should be detained in order that their Chief Whip may be taught a lesson.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1092.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1095.0", "colnum": "1095", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Lever", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Lever", "preceding_text": "It is with some diffidence that I rise to speak on this subject—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1095.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1095.0", "colnum": "1095", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Lever", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Lever", "preceding_text": "It is with some diffidence that I rise to speak on this subject—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"]—because there are no notorious—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1095.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1100.1", "colnum": "1100", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": " nor a herring. It has been said to be in the nature of a missing link. The coelacanth is a fish which inhabits more distant waters than those habitually fished by boats of under 70 feet in length. The difference between the powers which the Government enjoy and those which they are now seeking is, so to say, highlighted by the fact that under their present powers we could not hunt the coelacanth—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1100.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1110.1", "colnum": "1110", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Prawns.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "11.45 p.m.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1110.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1112.2", "colnum": "1112", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "And the noble Lord.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "untry, if it is thought that this House is giving to the Government powers to enlarge their patronage here, there and everywhere. I emphasise again that it is not my personal belief that this Clause will in fact be used by the Government for a corrupt purpose, but the fact that I think that this is not the explanation of the Clause does not alter the concern I feel that the public may think it is—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1112.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1113.0", "colnum": "1113", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "preceding_text": "We do not claim that we have the important ports judged by size. We believe that south of the Border there are a few fishing ports of great importance by that standard, but we have the quality", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1113.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1117.3", "colnum": "1117", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Red herrings?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "ought to the matter—to the unity of Europe, he was speaking in the context of Western Europe. He must have realised that when he was speaking of the unity of Europe he was entering on to a much wider subject—East-West trade. Is he not aware that trade with the Soviet Union in fish and fish products is a very ancient trade which has declined considerably in recent years? I hope that before he gets—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1117.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1122.1", "colnum": "1122", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "In spite of the great campaign which many hon. Members have always conducted on behalf of herring—by now it is well known to most people that it is one of the most nutritious fish and one of the best buys in the shops—there are apparently seasonal fluctuations in the market and some times there are more herring than there are customers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1122.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1124.1", "colnum": "1124", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Report progress.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": " not it clear, Sir William, that my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Cheetham (Mr. H. Lever) has shown a far greater knowledge of the purpose of the Bill than has the Minister himself. Since other of my right hon. and hon. Friends are bound to put questions to the Minister—who, patently, does not know the answers—would it not be appropriate for the Minister to ask leave of the Committee now—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1124.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1132.5", "colnum": "1132", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": " reason I make my argument as simple as I can and not from any disrespect to the Committee. I will try briefly to recapitulate. It is one thing to subsidise a rowing boat, which may be on the Serpentine and which is not likely, when subsidised, to go overseas and rebuke us, as it were, by engaging in nefarious activities, so that what was subsidised would reflect discredit on the House of Commons—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1132.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1135.2", "colnum": "1135", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member says they cannot be as stupid as that, but one has only to be in the House for a short time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1135.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1135.2", "colnum": "1135", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is a port\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "aving the boundless stupidity of mankind brought to one's notice. Furthermore, these men are not stupid. They go on board not to cerebrate, or make calculations about the purpose of the owners, or to speculate upon the ultimate consequences of their arrival at a distant port. They may be told to sail to Zanzibar, assuming Zanzibar to be a port—a point about which I am a little vague at the moment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1135.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1137.4", "colnum": "1137", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Iceland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "n heartening if the Government had then said to us, \"We must temporarily help the industry in this way. We, the Government, are alert and alive to find out why the longer boats, which presumably in the past were viable and profitable units, are now in need of a subsidy.\" It is odd that the Government come here as if no explanation is required. It could be that we have had seven years of Tory rule.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1137.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1141.1", "colnum": "1141", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "s it to the Committee to say that we shall be safeguarded against that kind of thing. Finally, I come to the long-term problem. Are the Government proposing to do something permanent for the benefit of the industry? Are we to be fobbed off in 1963 with a similar ill-thought-out scheme? What are the Government going to do about the Fleck Report? Have they considered the implications of that Report?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1141.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1145.3", "colnum": "1145", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "I have not likened any Member to a stickleback. I hope I have treated every Member with courtesy. If in the course of this somewhat extended examination of the Clause—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1145.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1145.3", "colnum": "1145", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lever", "preceding_text": "I have not likened any Member to a stickleback. I hope I have treated every Member with courtesy. If in the course of this somewhat extended examination of the Clause—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"]—I have not always expressed myself as felicitously as I might have done if the debate had come at an earlier hour, the blame must lie on the Patronage Secretary—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1145.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1166.1", "colnum": "1166", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "I suggest that the Committee should not agree to the Motion as yet. We have had from before half-past ten until after half-past two—four hours—an interesting debate and have gone over a wide ground. This is obviously a subject which is close to the hearts of many hon. Members opposite. They have taken a great interest, all of a sudden, in the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1166.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1166.2", "colnum": "1166", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "Leader of the House will reconsider what the Minister has just said. I think that it would be more sensible from his point of view, as well as that of the whole Committee, that we should sit again on another day. I also urge it from the point of view of people we do not always consider as much as we should, the staff of the House, the HANSARD reporters and other servants and officers of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1166.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1168.0", "colnum": "1168", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "during the debate, which arises entirely out of an international dispute. Some of the other Ministers whom my hon. Friend mentioned have looked in occasionally. The Leader of the House has favoured us again. The Patronage Secretary has been absent most of the night, although it is entirely his fault that we are here at this time of the morning when we should have finished our discussions long ago.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1168.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1177.2", "colnum": "1177", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Then go home.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Right hon. Gentlemen opposite have slipped up and made mistakes. Everybody makes a mistake. When the Leader of the House and the Chief Whip combine to make another mistake they had better admit it. They want to go home just as much as we do.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1177.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-13", "file": "debates1961-02-13a.xml", "sha256": "e5e432484aa7f801", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1178.1", "colnum": "1178", "heading": "Clause 1.—(EXTENSION OF SCOPE OF WHITE FISH SUBSIDY, AND POWER TO INCREASE LIMIT ON SUBSIDIES.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "the Committee stage when we put it on the Order Paper. The hon. Member for Cardiff, South-East (Mr. Callaghan), whom I heard when I came in to hear the Minister answering earlier, used language which clearly indicated the object of all this exercise, which is that we should be visited with the result of our follies of last week. That has been the object of the exercise going on in all this debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-13a.1178.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-14", "file": "debates1961-02-14a.xml", "sha256": "95a9ba5937f6d075", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1245.1", "colnum": "1245", "heading": "TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "preceding_text": "is next-of-kin. If the House does that, it will then concur in the view which we hold that Timothy John Evans was wrongly convicted and, in effect, the House will be saying that he should not have been buried in a felon's grave. We shall transfer his remains to his parents for Christian burial. The fact is that Timothy John Evans was sentenced for the murder of his child in 1950. We know now that—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1245.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-14", "file": "debates1961-02-14a.xml", "sha256": "95a9ba5937f6d075", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1245.1", "colnum": "1245", "heading": "TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "preceding_text": " worthless. It was asked for by a previous Home Secretary in terms which did not give Mr. Scott Henderson any chance at all. The time was far too short. It was rushed for a debate in Parliament. No one who has studied the subject at all and who has read the debate can read the Scott Henderson Report without a measure of cynicism and without a great deal of sympathy for Mr. Scott Henderson himself.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1245.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-14", "file": "debates1961-02-14a.xml", "sha256": "95a9ba5937f6d075", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1268.1", "colnum": "1268", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SUPPLY", "cue_speaker": "Vice-Admiral John Hughes Hallett", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Vice-Admiral John Hughes Hallett", "preceding_text": "ham (Mr. R. Carr) would have had to produce a Report on the enormous size of the Admiralty headquarters had that staff never been established. However, it is also fair to add that it is interesting to speculate whether in that case we should have won two wars. Not for the first time, I think, the House is indebted to my hon. Friend for having produced an extremely valuable and constructive report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-14a.1268.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.2", "colnum": "1399", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this terrible outrage places a still heavier burden of guilt on the Belgian colonialists who, having walked out without having educated the Congolese people—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.2", "colnum": "1399", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that this terrible outrage places a still heavier burden of guilt on the Belgian colonialists who, having walked out without having educated the Congolese people—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"]—,towards self-government, are now crawling back again, arming their murderous puppets, such as Mr. Tshombe, and instigating violence?—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.7", "colnum": "1399", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "stion No. 5 among the Questions for Written Answer, which should have appeared among the Questions for Oral Answer? Did the right hon. Gentleman see yesterday in a Conservative newspaper the heading \"The corpse on our conscience\"? Is it not the case that responsibility for this murder rests not only upon Mr. Tshombe, General Mobutu and Mr. Kasavubu, but also upon the Belgians, who have maintained—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.7", "colnum": "1399", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "ns for Oral Answer? Did the right hon. Gentleman see yesterday in a Conservative newspaper the heading \"The corpse on our conscience\"? Is it not the case that responsibility for this murder rests not only upon Mr. Tshombe, General Mobutu and Mr. Kasavubu, but also upon the Belgians, who have maintained—[ Interruption .]—Mr. in office by their military assistance, and also upon our Government, who—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1399.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.4", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "—and also upon our Government and the Eisenhower régime—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.5", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "This is out of order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "—and also upon our Government and the Eisenhower régime—[ Interruption .]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.7", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker—which, by their recognition at the United Nations of Mr. Kasavubu, the head of a party which got only 10 per cent. of the votes, instead of Mr. Lumumba—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.7", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker—which, by their recognition at the United Nations of Mr. Kasavubu, the head of a party which got only 10 per cent. of the votes, instead of Mr. Lumumba—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"]—who was the Prime Minister appointed by the Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1400.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1401.7", "colnum": "1401", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": " be within your recollection, Mr. Speaker, that I referred to the responsibility of the British Government. It is true that I included the Eisenhower Government, because those two Governments were mainly responsible for the resolution. The point which I am putting is that they recognised as the authority for the Congo a leader who obtained only 10 per cent. of the votes, rather than the appointed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1401.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1406.3", "colnum": "1406", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. May I ask for your guidance, Mr. Speaker? We have had today a most startling example of the invasion of private Members' time, and the right of hon. Members to ask Questions, by Ministers making long answers which preclude the putting of Questions which appear later on the list on the Order Paper. As your Lordship—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1406.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1443.1", "colnum": "1443", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Johnson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Johnson", "preceding_text": "d me of far-off days when my right hon. Friend who is now the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster was secretary of the B.M.A. and I was merely an ex-defeated political candidate, and we went round the country on behalf of the doctors putting the doctors' point of view before the inception of the Health Service. In his speech, the hon. Member for Greenock accused us of opposing the Health Service—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1443.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1453.1", "colnum": "1453", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Arbuthnot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Arbuthnot", "preceding_text": "ervice was originally introduced. Since the real purchasing power of the weekly wage-earner is going up as compared with the real purchasing power of those in the high-income brackets, the weekly wage-earner will not contribute proportionately so much to the National Health Service as was the case when the Service was initiated. Those at the lower end of the income scale are relatively better off.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1453.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1458.3", "colnum": "1458", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Second.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "preceding_text": "ment needed to find this increased money for the Health Service, they should have paid more attention to the bookkeeping on Fire Streak, Seaslug, and the Swift fighter. On guided missiles alone they wasted about £ 300 million quite recently. It is humbug for them to mumble something about teen-age expenditure when the Government have wasted more money than any time since Charles I met Nell Gwynne—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1458.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1458.3", "colnum": "1458", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "preceding_text": "e of history than of economics. The Financial Secretary clearly tried to drown the controversy in a speech which had the bubbling effervescence of a cup of cold cocoa. He gave a long recital of facts and figures and assured us that there was nothing fundamental about the Bill and that the Minister was just tying up a few odd ends and that the principle was very much the same as it had always been.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1458.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1463.1", "colnum": "1463", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "nd the spending of a few millions on people who do not pay tax at all, the people who have had tax concessions ought to pay their share. I do not think that any Government has a right to reduce taxation and, at the same time, on the basis of a poll tax, impose taxation on the sick and on other people. I could discuss the question of denationalisation which, I think, is relevant in this connection—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1463.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1467.1", "colnum": "1467", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": "s. Perhaps hon. Members opposite might think about getting up to date. In 1945, the greatest electoral advantage which they had at the hustings and on the platforms was that their party was known as the Labour Party. Do they realise that in 1959 their biggest disadvantage was that their party was known as the Labour Party—because people today like to look upon themselves as a middle-class society—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1467.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1469.7", "colnum": "1469", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": "No, I will not give way again. I have been very good, and have given way about five times already. I lose the thread of my argument if I give way too much. In 1948, when the Labour Party brought in the National Health Service Bill, it accepted the view that a direct contribution on a weekly basis from the individual who was to be a beneficiary was, in fact, a good thing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1469.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1469.7", "colnum": "1469", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It should be.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": "iculty whatever in saying that in my honest opinion—it may be a cleavage of view, as the hon. Member just said I believe that we are doing something which is not only justified, but which will, in the long run, be for the good of the Health Service, I am not paying lip-service to the Health Service, because I think that it is a very necessary edifice in the national life, but it is not a free one—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1469.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1507.2", "colnum": "1507", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "preceding_text": "Yes. £ 168 million; that was an estimated figure, and it has gone up to a figure of nearly £ 900 million, and we ought to try to find some means of doing it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1507.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1508.1", "colnum": "1508", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "preceding_text": "In France, the insured person pays 6 per cent., the employers 10 per cent. and the Government again pay nothing towards the cost of the Health Service. In Mexico, a very similar situation arises. In the Netherlands, the insured person—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1508.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1509.3", "colnum": "1509", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shepherd", "preceding_text": "ntial step forward. I could not imagine the Government doing it all at once, because it would mean, roughly, about 10s. a week being found. Health Service costs are about 15s. a week in respect of every employed person. I see no basic reason why, in the long term, or the medium long term, there should not, for example, be a worker's contribution of 3s. and an employer's contribution of 7s. a week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1509.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1525.2", "colnum": "1525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "I will give way in a moment. We have all night.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1525.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1525.4", "colnum": "1525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "I take that intervention as on a level with a good deal of what we have heard from the other side of the house tonight.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1525.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1526.7", "colnum": "1526", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"How much?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "That is a question easily answered. I believe that all that is adequate to the National Health Service should be raised.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1526.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1528.1", "colnum": "1528", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How does the hon. Gentleman know that there are very few Socialists in the Treasury?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "preceding_text": " real Health Service ever since it started. The Service had to be fought for. We would not have had a National Health Service if we had not had a Minister who was prepared to fight the ideas of the Treasury. The Treasury always resented the idea of the Service being based on these principles. We are not surprised, because there are very few Socialists in the 'Treasury. This is a Socialist Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1528.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1535.0", "colnum": "1535", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "Yes, Mr. Speaker. I was led away by the hon. Member for Louth (Mr. C. Osborne), who put the question to me, and I thought that it would be discourteous if I did not reply.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1535.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1549.3", "colnum": "1549", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": " his most revealing remarks—when he said that ordinary working-class families have advanced their living standards more in the past decade than in any time previously. That was the reason for this tax. Our answer to that is, \"What is wrong with that?\". What is wrong with ordinary working-class families having steadily advanced their standards during a decade of generally rising national standards?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1549.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1552.0", "colnum": "1552", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. P. Crowder", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is enough.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. P. Crowder", "preceding_text": "I am interested in the hon. Lady's argument. Let us take a typical working-class lorry driver, with a wife and two children, who is earning, say, £ 800 to £ 1,000 a year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1552.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1552.4", "colnum": "1552", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Or during the election.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "e of the National Health Service. It is only on this unified basis that we can narrow the differences between rich and poor and provide a common foundation on which we can all meet our responsibilities as citizens. It is this great principle which we are fighting for tonight, and against the introduction of a new principle, one which the Government would not have dared to introduce during the war.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1552.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1562.0", "colnum": "1562", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Edward Short", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Edward Short", "preceding_text": "f us. I represent a constituency which you know very well, Mr. Speaker, where the electorate comprises 50,000 hard-working Tyne-siders. They are strongly opposed to the increase in the Health Service charges, but those people are disfranchised. Hon. Members who are serving on the Committee upstairs are trying to do twice their normal work. They cannot be there and in this Chamber at the same time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1562.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1565.0", "colnum": "1565", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. Lewis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. Lewis", "preceding_text": "r of the House to come into the Chamber and assist us? He could advise the Minister in charge of the Committee that the Committee should adjourn. I understand that the Leader of the House is at the back of your Chair, Mr. Speaker, or just outside the door. If he were to come into the Chamber we could ask him to listen to our submissions and, having listened to them, to assist us in our difficulty.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1565.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1569.0", "colnum": "1569", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sing it.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "hy of the troops. In 1948, when that giant of the working classes, the late Aneurin Bevan, implemented the Report, every hon. Gentleman and every individual member of the trade union Co-operative and Labour movement was proud of the work done here. Slowly but surely we have seen it undermined until now we are presented with a Bill of this character. When I was very young there were two songs sung.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1568.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1569.3", "colnum": "1569", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "ions have accepted the employers' proposals. The employers continually gave undertakings that the sky would be the limit and that no regard would be paid to the wages earned, provided they were obtained by greater efforts. Those of us who saw the anti-trade union television programmes presented by the hon. Member for Lewisham, North (Mr. Chataway), who is sitting there with his finger in his mouth", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1569.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1571.1", "colnum": "1571", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "I hope I have convinced all present that these further impositions on industry are seriously affecting the costs of production. Does everyone accept that now? All right. We can now proceed to provide evidence to show that they are also discouraging production. When I look back to the time when I was working for my living—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1571.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1575.1", "colnum": "1575", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "preceding_text": "eet corner, and from every platform which was erected, there was blazoned the Conservative cry, \"You have never had it so good and do not let the Labour Party mess about with it.\" I am very glad to see the right hon. and learned Chancellor sitting behind the Dispatch Box. This is the time of the year when the Chancellor traditionally goes into purdah; when he cannot be asked any awkward questions—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1575.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1575.1", "colnum": "1575", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "preceding_text": "ay a further 5 per cent. towards the Government's scheme, making 10 to 11 per cent. of their wages every week, before they start paying their P.A.Y.E., their trade union contribution and the other things which have to be paid for out of the pay packet. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has been a serious student of many of these questions throughout his life. He has given some attention to economics", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1575.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1584.2", "colnum": "1584", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Brigadier Clarke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he\"?", "preceding_speaker": "Brigadier Clarke", "preceding_text": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker, you are absolutely right in what you say. I am more than surprised that the hon. Member for West Ham, North (Mr. A. Lewis) should try to suppress free speech. Some of the things I am saying tonight might annoy my Chief Whip.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1584.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1584.2", "colnum": "1584", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Brigadier Clarke", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Brigadier Clarke", "preceding_text": " I am more than surprised that the hon. Member for West Ham, North (Mr. A. Lewis) should try to suppress free speech. Some of the things I am saying tonight might annoy my Chief Whip. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he\"?] I have not done it for that purpose, but if I happen to think exactly the same as some hon. Members opposite on certain points, I am ruddy well going to say what I think. In conclusion—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1584.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1587.3", "colnum": "1587", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gerald Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gerald Nabarro", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I have studied this Bill with the greatest care", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1587.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1590.1", "colnum": "1590", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "I gave my hon. Friend warning of what I intended to say, and he said, \"The best of luck\". The Bow Group is now saying that farming subsidies ought to be examined as a means of financing some of these things. Maybe we could get together on this issue. I want to say this finally—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1590.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1591.1", "colnum": "1591", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": " do not object to anyone interrupting me. I think it is fair in the cut and thrust of debate. But I hope that the hon. Gentleman will look at HANSARD tomorrow. I heard him clearly. I know of lorry drivers in Newport who are earning more than £ 1,000, but they are not typical. They are working at the steel works and killing themselves. Some work nearly twenty-two hours a day. The Newport authority—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1591.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER:\" They have none.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "do absolutely everything we can legitimately do, by using the procedure of the House, to prevent the Government from getting its business done in this case. I say that because this particular piece of legislation is the most dire example of class legislation I have known since I have been an hon. Member of the House. There are many hon. Members on the other side who know in their heart of hearts—-", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "y to have—and it is not always an easy thing—then, when the vote is taken on this Bill, they would demonstrate that they are men and not mere puppets in the hands of the Chief Whip. I beg of them, if they have an ordinary conscience, to abstain if they do not go into the lobbies with us tonight. When we vote tonight, or tomorrow, let them do that. I have here a document entitled \"All the Answers—\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "o enter hospital? What about the urgent waiting list of 7,000 mental defectives\"? Those were the figures for 1957, but they are bigger now. That document was written in 1957 when hon. Members opposite were saying \"Conservatives care\" and \"Don't let Labour ruin it,\" yet they have obliterated the purpose of the Health Service. Hon. Members opposite then asked what they were to do about it. As usual—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "of the Health Service. Hon. Members opposite then asked what they were to do about it. As usual—[ Interruption ]—if the noble Lord the Member for Dorset, South (Viscount Hinchingbrooke) will cease chewing and finish his arid, arrogant, medieval, feudalistic attitude towards this side of the House, I will deign to look upon his gracious lounging figure. The election pledge of hon. Members opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1594.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1596.1", "colnum": "1596", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It will.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "e the Tories have tampered with the health service. Sick people will be afraid to use it because of the cost. Because of the increased contribution, they will have 10d. less to spend on essential foods. Why have the Government introduced the Bill now? They think that they are in the doldrums of public opinion but that by the next election the increase in the contributions will have been forgotten.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1596.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1598.3", "colnum": "1598", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "itimate means to prevent the Government from getting the Bill. I urge some hon. Members opposite, even if they have not the courage to vote against the Bill, at least to keep alive the honour of the party which they consider a great party, the Conservative Party, by not going into the Lobby like sheep. They are being driven into it by some hard-faced men who are merely helping their own interests.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1598.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1600.5", "colnum": "1600", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "I am not sure what the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro) means by \" sotto voce\". It is undoubtedly out of order to refer to an hon. Member by name.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1600.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1600.7", "colnum": "1600", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Baird", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"You are always wrong.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Baird", "preceding_text": "r than in the past? I believe that there are many ways in which we could save money in the Health Service. I believe that we made some mistakes. One of them was in not tackling the problem of proprietary medicines. The busy doctor gets circulars every day advocating this, that, and the other, and is tempted to try them, and they very often cost five or six times more than they need. We were wrong—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1600.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1606.4", "colnum": "1606", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "The difference between 1951 and 1961, is that what was done in the former year was done with regret by those who then occupied the benches opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1606.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1609.1", "colnum": "1609", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Walter Monslow", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Have a go.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Walter Monslow", "preceding_text": "ry conceivable way to give to the rich. My hon. Friend the Member for Jarrow (Mr. Fernyhough) directed attention to the action that might be taken by the industrial mass of the country. and there is much in what he said. I have received from my constituency. which is heavily industrialised, innumerable resolutions suggesting that on this issue, my party should declare a national strike on May Day.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1609.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1614.7", "colnum": "1614", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"With-draw.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "With great respect to you and the Leader of the House, Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1614.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1620.1", "colnum": "1620", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stephen Swingler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stephen Swingler", "preceding_text": "This is the moment when the House should adjourn, because I am convinced that the Leader of the House does not wish to give the country the impression that the Government are determined to force the Measure through ruthlessly without any regard for democratic processes. I am sure that many hon. Members have the utmost sympathy for the Leader of the House. I have.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1620.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1621.1", "colnum": "1621", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": ". Gentleman has always one thing at least to say—that his finger is on the political pulse, that he knows what people are thinking, and that he knows the right moment at which to balance himself delicately on the see-saw in order to be sure of getting off on the right side. Today, however, this instinct has failed him, because if one thing is clear it is that Government supporters want to go home.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1621.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1622.5", "colnum": "1622", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "An hon. Member", "cue_text": "What is happening?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "preceding_text": "I hope that my hon. Friend will reply to the charge made by the hon. Member for Darlington (Mr. Bourne-Arton) that he has not attended the debate, and explain that for several hours he has been in consultation on very important colonial matters in the House but not in the Chamber. It is very unfair—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1622.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1622.7", "colnum": "1622", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "preceding_text": "e benches are full for the first two speeches in a debate, but there are Committees which sit upstairs. I spent two and a half hours doing my duty on a Committee upstairs. Will my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, South-East (Mr. Callaghan) explain to the hon. Member for Ormskirk that we would appreciate his joining in discussions in this House and not complaining that we are not doing our duty?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1622.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1623.8", "colnum": "1623", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Frightened? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I wonder if I might be allowed to intervene in the debate for a moment?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1623.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1623.8", "colnum": "1623", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Give way,\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I wonder if I might be allowed to intervene in the debate for a moment? [An HON. MEMBER: \"Frightened? \"] I am not frightened of the hon. Member, whoever else I might be frightened of. What is quite clear", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1623.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1624.1", "colnum": "1624", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ah.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "le should know what is going on. So do we. That is why we suggest that the debate should be adjourned. The hon. Gentleman knows that none of the speeches being made at this hour—or made by one side of the House—is likely to be reported. There is much more prospect of the British people knowing what is going on if we have these speeches made in the full light of day when the Press will report them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1624.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1625.1", "colnum": "1625", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is the Prime Minister? \".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": ", in order to dodge some of the blows which are now falling on the head of the Minister of Health, he would get himself into difficulties with his Parliamentary timetable. I hope that we will hear from the Leader of the House again. I think that all hon. Members will give him permission to speak again—certainly we on this side will. I should not ask for another speech from the Patronage Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1625.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1643.0", "colnum": "1643", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "I dealt with all this the other day.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1643.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0", "colnum": "1644", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "I do not think that what the right hon. Gentleman says affects my point at all—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0", "colnum": "1644", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "I do not think that what the right hon. Gentleman says affects my point at all—[ Interruption ]—We are being accused of an attack on the standard of living of the people—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0", "colnum": "1644", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "ent. or 1·7 per cent. We are accused of this great attack upon standards of living because we say 17·4 per cent. for the stamp, and charges, 5·9 per cent., coming to 23·3 per cent. In the first Explanatory Memorandum the contribution was planned at 23 per cent. Therefore, I say that this is not a question of principle at all, because the Opposition, on their awn figures", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1644.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1646.1", "colnum": "1646", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "FICIAL REPORT. The figures I have given are not a record of parsimony, of attack, or of dismantling. These are vast sums, and if they are not found, then the services will suffer. I shall not be drawn now into a discussion of taxation and financial policy, except to say that Members opposite seem so often to forget that the Welfare State depends on the productive efforts of our trade and industry—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1646.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1646.7", "colnum": "1646", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruptiotion .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "If I am permitted to do so, I will gladly answer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1646.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.1", "colnum": "1647", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "Before the right hon. Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson) sits down, may I ask him—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.6", "colnum": "1647", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I was asking the Chancellor why, since he justified these—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.13", "colnum": "1647", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Eyewash.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "ened before the control of the country passed to the Commons. It happened with Kings. They tended to disguise their taxation with softer words. They called it sometimes benevolencies; they called it loans; we had Ship Money. Now we have got contributions. But it is taxation. And the introduction of the Health Service aspect of it is purely and simply a way of getting people to chase after a wrong.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1647.13"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1649.1", "colnum": "1649", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "Just about three months ago he introduced a Supplementary Estimate asking for £ 42 million for himself and the Secretary of State for Scot- land. He probably remembers that, and the short debate on it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1649.1", "colnum": "1649", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "ent. The right hon. Gentleman talked about what Sir Stafford Cripps did about the ceiling in a difficult year. He did not tell us that the ceiling was exceeded by £ 47 million the next year. He talks about existing circumstances as though today, in 1961, the circumstances are exactly the same as the difficult circumstances four years after the war. Where is the political honesty of hon. Gentlemen?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1652.2", "colnum": "1652", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "on, however, that every worker would pay an extra £ 10 a year and that every woman worker would pay an extra £ 6 a year. This is not the first, and it is not the last, of the things that have been done. The Minister of Pensions and National Insurance made an increase of ls. 5d. The impression he gave us was that the promises made in relation to social benefits to the aged and concerning hospitals—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1652.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1652.2", "colnum": "1652", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "er with his graduated contribution, the typical lorry driver, the man on the average wage, will pay 15s. 8d. When one adds what the employer has to pay in respect of the combined contribution, one arrives at a deduction of 29s. 4d. Do not hon. Members opposite realise that this will hit the people in two blows, one in April and then another in July? Workers are already asking questions about this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1652.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1665.11", "colnum": "1665", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Speak up.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. J. Mellish", "preceding_text": "Sir William, I want to oppose this Money Resolution, and to give the following reasons for so doing. I will try very hard to keep in order. This Money Resolution goes very wide indeed, and makes perfectly clear the purposes for which the money is to be used in its broader context. I claim to have some knowledge of the workings of the National Health Service Act—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1665.10"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1665.13", "colnum": "1665", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Repeat it.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "If hon. Members opposite would keep in order I could use my normal voice—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1665.12"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1666.2", "colnum": "1666", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "An. HON. MEMBER: \"They are all odd.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "ld save money. We have told this to the Minister, but when we asked whether we could be considered for a new hospital, we were laughed out of court. Now we are told that costs have gone up and people must pay more. But the Guillebaud Report showed clearly that the Service was run efficiently and well, and I do not need to speak of the benefits it has given to our people. There are still odd Tories", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1666.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1679.4", "colnum": "1679", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "I appreciate that, Sir William, but there is one point of which you may not be aware. Hon. Lady Members on this side have to go into the kitchen and wash up the tea things because there is not sufficient staff.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1679.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1696.0", "colnum": "1696", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SHERIFFS' PENSIONS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "ding the Standing Order. Standing Order No. 60, paragraph 4, reads: When the order for the second reading of any such bill has been read, a Motion to be decided without amendment or debate … but, of course, a vote can be taken on it— may be made by a Minister of the Crown, ' That the bill be committed to the Scottish Standing Committee'. That Motion has been made by a Minister of the Crown.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1695.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1697.1", "colnum": "1697", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SHERIFFS' PENSIONS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "I have satisfied myself as best I can that these stages have been duly complied with.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1697.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1698.2", "colnum": "1698", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SHERIFFS' PENSIONS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I think that I may be able to assist the House because I, not unnaturally, have had to study this point with great care during the last four years. My understanding, which I respectfully submit to you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, is quite clear, that on a Minister of the Crown moving the Motion that I did move—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1698.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-15", "file": "debates1961-02-15a.xml", "sha256": "e379144efe038124", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1711.4", "colnum": "1711", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SHERIFFS' PENSIONS (SCOTLAND) [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Steele", "preceding_text": "Perhaps if the noble Lord from another place would ring his bell it would improve things. I hope that I have said enough on this aspect.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-15a.1711.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1730.9", "colnum": "1730", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Commander Kerans", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\" Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Kerans", "preceding_text": " my right hon. Friend agree that there are many people in this country who are living alone with families who are living in fear of what might happen in the future? Is he also aware that there are many people who cannot leave their children unescorted after dark and that this fear is a very real and growing fear throughout the country? Only yesterday I was speaking to a British subject from Italy—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1730.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1754.5", "colnum": "1754", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Vosper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Vosper", "preceding_text": "Thirteen and a half months This lengthy segregation is not a punishment but a necessary means of protecting members of the prison staff and other prisoners from physical injury by this prisoner. My right hon. Friend hopes shortly to arrange for him to be transferred to another prison where he can be allowed some association under special supervision.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1754.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1756.8", "colnum": "1756", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "never committed any crime before, was advised to appeal, she lost 63 days remission. Although I have the greatest respect for my right hon. Friend's right hon. Friend's judgment, I would nevertheless ask my right hon. Friend whether he will appeal to his right hon. Friend as to whether he will temper his judgment with mercy in this case. I appeal to him sincerely, particularly in view of the fact—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1756.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1768.1", "colnum": "1768", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "If business which the Government class as unconstitutional—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1768.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1769.4", "colnum": "1769", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense:", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman consider it right that this awful tragedy, for which we have collective responsibility", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1769.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1769.4", "colnum": "1769", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman consider it right that this awful tragedy, for which we have collective responsibility [HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense:]—in view of the actions of the United Nations and the actions of the Government therein—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1769.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1826.2", "colnum": "1826", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"For seven hours.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "I thought it right to do that in view of the suggestion that he was in some way induced by Inspector Brumpton to make the statement in his own handwriting. I know that he was in the police station for some time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1826.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1852.1", "colnum": "1852", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "escriptions cost. It is worth repeating these figures; they have been mentioned several times at intervals. The cost of the pharmaceutical service of Great Britain has been increasing year by year from £35 million in 1949–50 to an estimated gross cost for 1960–61 of £92 million. The average cost of a prescription increased from 3s. 1 d. in 1949 to 5s. ld. in 1956 and 7s. 4d. in 1960.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1852.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1855.1", "colnum": "1855", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "ople in this position—that is those not already receiving assistance—can get a combined receipt and application form from the chemist and they either take it or post it to the Board's office. If they call personally, the application will be dealt with there and then. If they post the form, an officer will visit the applicant at his home within the next few days and make a payment if one is needed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1855.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1867.3", "colnum": "1867", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gardner", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gardner", "preceding_text": "nd through its association it entered, last December, into a voluntary agreement with the Ministry of Health about drug prices. The amount of money spent annually on research runs into millions of pound. Having said that, one must ask whether the pharmaceutical industry is responsible for unnecessary costs for drugs. It would appear that the amount of evidence available at present is inconclusive—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1867.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1869.1", "colnum": "1869", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Llewelyn Williams", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Llewelyn Williams", "preceding_text": "itish Medical Association, which by no stretch of the imagination can be considered as supporting the political outlook and philosophy of the Labour Party, immediately came out in vigorous protest against these proposed increases, particularly in regard to prescriptions. My own family doctor is a Scot, like you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Unlike some of my Scottish colleagues, he is quiet and restrained.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1869.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1875.1", "colnum": "1875", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Sir Hugh Linstead", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Undermine it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Hugh Linstead", "preceding_text": "ortunity of having a private conversation with him. There is one word to which I think the hon. Gentleman will respond and that is the word \"charity\". I ask him, out of his charity, to believe that there may be some hon. Members on this side of the House who feel very deeply that the only way to preserve what is great and good in the National Health Service is to underpin it with some new finance.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1875.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1886.1", "colnum": "1886", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "The Earl of Dalkeith", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Since the Tories came in.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Earl of Dalkeith", "preceding_text": "nd take action as he sees fit to avoid hardship arising. The present concessions, though generous, may not be sufficient. One other category to which I wish to refer are the old people living on fixed incomes who are just outside the scope of National Assistance. These people, I submit, in the last ten or fifteen years, in relation to the rest of the population, have been getting gradually poorer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1886.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1904.3", "colnum": "1904", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "the House to grasp the scope of these arrangements—and it is a wide scope—if I put before it some concrete instances of persons or families who would qualify for the refund of prescription charges under them. I will first take examples of people who are earning and then examples of people who are retired. From 1st April a man with a wife and three dependent children, paying a rent of 10s. or more—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1904.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.1", "colnum": "1912", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "Yes—one or other of those escape routes has been provided for themselves by hon. Members to escape from what is the real dilemma and the real choice before the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.1", "colnum": "1912", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER' \"What about next year?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "Yes—one or other of those escape routes has been provided for themselves by hon. Members to escape from what is the real dilemma and the real choice before the House. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Very well. I will make the utmost concession which mile one wishes to ask from me. I will assume any increase which hon. Members please in the national income in the present year—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.2", "colnum": "1912", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Yes.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "ear—[AN HON. MEMBER' \"What about next year?\"]—or next year, if hon. Members like it. I will assume also that my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has allowed me for my Estimates this year any demand which I care to make out of tax revenue. So strong is the force of the argument that the dilemma still confronts the House. Am I to keep the charges at their present level—?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-16", "file": "debates1961-02-16a.xml", "sha256": "595031d0faac6152", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.3", "colnum": "1912", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "g, changing things reaching out to new aims as people are able to meet old needs for themselves. A remarkable contribution, though a brief one, was made to our debates earlier last week by my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton (Mr. I. Fraser). He set out to perfection, I thought, the true difference—and there is, of course, a fundamental difference here—between the two sides of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-16a.1912.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1930.0", "colnum": "1930", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "Hon. Members on both sides will agree that immigration today is the most difficult, the most dangerous and the most delicate problem facing the country. I assure hon. Members opposite, and some of my hon. Friends, that I have no racial or colour feelings.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1930.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1930.0", "colnum": "1930", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "n last year's rate is unbearable because the overwhelming proportion of these immigrants stay in England—they do not go to Scotland or to Ireland—and they form on the map a new coloured city as big as Bedford, Chester, Colchester, Scunthorpe or Worcester. This cannot be allowed to go on indefinitely because in another ten, twenty or thirty years' time the face of England would not be recognisable.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1930.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1934.2", "colnum": "1934", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I am making my case on behalf of English people in their own country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1934.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1934.5", "colnum": "1934", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "cial services than they can by working hard in their own countries. They are naturally attracted here. In support of that statement, I ask hon. Members to look at the gross domestic product per head in 1959. These are official figures. In Pakistan it was £19; India, £24; Sierra Leone, £25; Nigeria, £30; Ghana, £71; Jamaica, £132; Malta, £150; Cyprus, £150; Trinidad, £190; the United Kingdom, £364.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1934.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1937.3", "colnum": "1937", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I have been rather hurrying along and jumping over some points, so as not to be too long, and I apologise to the House for taking more time than I meant to, although it has been partly because of the interruptions.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1937.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1941.1", "colnum": "1941", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And Irish?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "am wrong, I am sorry. No doubt the Minister will put one of us right. All I am suggesting is that that kind of thing might be applied in the case of immigration from the Commonwealth. Lastly, it does not seem to me to be unreasonable to say that people throughout the Commonwealth—Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, South Africans—must accept the same restric- tions that they themselves impose—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1941.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1954.6", "colnum": "1954", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir J. Smyth", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir J. Smyth", "preceding_text": " ready to live eight or nine in a room as long as they can be together. That does not always conform to our ideas of sanitation. I should like to tell hon. Members of the situation in my constituency, in the Borough of Lambeth. The Borough of Lambeth has an acute shortage of accommodation. It is not nearly as bad as it was some years ago. It has been greatly improved by the much-maligned Rent Act.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1954.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1994.3", "colnum": "1994", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fisher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why 'we'?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fisher", "preceding_text": " 1957 to 1959. It is a tremendous problem, and it is not sufficient to say that we should establish a few more secondary industries in the West Indies. The problem goes far beyond that. In those circumstances, how can it be wondered that, with other doors closed to them, the West Indians emigrate to this country in search of the work that we have been unable to provide for them in their own homes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1994.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1999.3", "colnum": "1999", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fisher", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fisher", "preceding_text": "What my hon. Friend said is on the record.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.1999.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2009.1", "colnum": "2009", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Alan Glyn", "preceding_text": "Before the hon. Member sits down, will he answer one question?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2009.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2014.3", "colnum": "2014", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "ade the interesting and, so far as I know, novel suggestion that immigrants should be required to deposit the cost of their return fare home and that this should be returnable if they did not go home within two years. This suggestion needs very careful examination. Nothing of this sort is done in the case of aliens, and we could hardly impose stricter conditions on British subjects than on aliens.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2014.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2019.2", "colnum": "2019", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "I think that it would be better not to have a further statement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2019.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-17", "file": "debates1961-02-17a.xml", "sha256": "74f9918377e6f7a0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2021.0", "colnum": "2021", "heading": "CONTROL OF IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "He is on the Opposition side.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Victor Yates", "preceding_text": "ates. This would not have been possible had it not been for the people of Birmingham. He had seen housewives go out of their way to help a coloured person, and many people in Birmingham, who had left their original homes in different parts of the country, had shown sympathy to the immigrants who have changed their environment, climate and way of life. The hon. Member for Louth—who is not now here—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-17a.2020.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.6.4", "colnum": "6", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GOVERNMENT INFORMATION SERVICES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Swingler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He was not then in the House.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Swingler", "preceding_text": "While ignoring the Minister's special personal role as one who bitterly opposed the inception of the Health Service—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.6.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.19.5", "colnum": "19", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PENSIONS AND NATIONAL INSURANCE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"To whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Hornsby-Smith", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member is making a false assumption. Anyone already receiving National Assistance gets back the charges automatically. It would be a sheer bureaucratic waste of time and money to sort out repayments which were automatically made to those applying to the Post Office—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.19.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.23.1", "colnum": "23", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "preceding_text": " my hand, to people affected in the areas of these sites where radioactive contamination could take place? Could he inform the House what arrangements are available at American bases, say at the Polaris base in Scotland, where radioactive waste and other effluents have to be disposed of? Is this covered by the Radioactive Substances Act? Are the present Government going to be responsible for that—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.23.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.23.1", "colnum": "23", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "preceding_text": "t arrangements are available at American bases, say at the Polaris base in Scotland, where radioactive waste and other effluents have to be disposed of? Is this covered by the Radioactive Substances Act? Are the present Government going to be responsible for that— [HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"] —or can the hon. Gentleman tell the House that some arrangements have been made with the American Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.23.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.78.3", "colnum": "78", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "Of course I will. The hon. Gentleman is unduly precipitate. Of course I would not quote exports without quoting imports. The imports of coal were negligible. Glory be to God.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.78.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.85.3", "colnum": "85", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Make a packet?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "tional Union of Mineworkers, so of course he has a vested interest. He asked me to make a declaration of my interest, which I do with the greatest happiness and enjoyment. I have no interest, direct or indirect, in the oil industry. I even sold my oil shares so that a jibe of that kind could not have any substance. I am not yet a Minister of the Crown, so there was no absolute need for me to sell.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.85.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.87.2", "colnum": "87", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Cheap coal.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ective will the whole organisation ultimately prove to be. Second, Mr. Robens must restore the power and spirit of independence of the colliery manager within commercially viable areas, not the stodgy administrative pudding which we have as a Coal Board today. Third, Mr. Robens would do well to fight bureaucracy and instil the profit-earning habits of private industry into the National Coal Board.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.87.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.87.2", "colnum": "87", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ants in Britain today are the co-operatives. The National Coal Board should make friends with the merchants by giving them service and help, for it is the merchant in the ultimate who will popularise the sale of coal in competition with oil. The ninth requirement is to encourage the use of modern boiler-house equipment and appliances to burn coal and coke efficiently, economically and smokelessly.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.87.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.90.5", "colnum": "90", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Get on with it.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "I know the document. That is quite all right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.90.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.90.6", "colnum": "90", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"0h.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "nts have not run their stocks down. Their distributed stocks, that is to say, stocks in the hands of the merchants—I quote the most recent figure of distributed coal stocks totalling, on 6th February, 1961, no less than 12,850,000 tons, including distributed stocks of the electricity industry, the gas industry, coke ovens, industrial companies, the railways, iron and steel, merchants and the rest.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.90.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.136.1", "colnum": "136", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The railways.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "preceding_text": "ng action in that sense. His first reason was that it would cause higher energy costs and put up the price to some extent. That might be so. Secondly, he said that it would involve control on consumption and, thirdly, he said that it would interfere with the commercial autonomy of the industry. Those, however, are things that the Government are quite prepared to do in the case of other industries.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.136.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.141.0", "colnum": "141", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Where is he?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Blyton", "preceding_text": "bart House to 3,400. This means a total cost of 4d. per ton. The whole cost of Hobart House staff, outside staff on the books, all of the district staffs, and the pit staffs in administration down to the manager to the underground engineer is a total cost to the industry of 1s. 11d. a ton. I fail to see how the hon. and gallant Member for South Fylde could make that statement or quote that figure.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.140.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.151.0", "colnum": "151", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FUEL AND POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George", "preceding_text": "Advances normally have to be repaid. Let us look at the position rationally, forgetting about the T.U.C. leaflet and the T.U.C. policy. Let us consider the mining industry as it stands today. Are there grounds for all the anxieties which have been expressed today?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.151.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.171.6", "colnum": "171", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Lawson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Lawson", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I wonder on whose authority it is stated that we have no right to discuss those matters. Is it Erskine May? Who is Erskine May?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.171.6"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.173.0", "colnum": "173", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "What the hon. Member may not do is to argue—[Horn. MEMBERS: \"Speak up.\"] —an Amendment to the Clause—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.173.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.173.4", "colnum": "173", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "I was asking whether or not it would be in order to argue that it would be better—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.173.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.174.1", "colnum": "174", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Normally.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "I shall quote from Erskine May concerning the difficulties of debating it. It states: The enacting words of the bill are not open to amendment. According to present practice the committee stage of such a bill is formal and normally passes without debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.174.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.185.10", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "I very much regret, Sir Gordon, as we all do, that we should have had to spend such a long time on points of order. I assure you that this was not our wish.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.185.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.185.10", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "I very much regret, Sir Gordon, as we all do, that we should have had to spend such a long time on points of order. I assure you that this was not our wish. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] Certainly not", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.185.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.207.7", "colnum": "207", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is the hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. van Straubenzee)?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": " as, no doubt, many of my hon. Friends are, to have ample time to discuss the Bill. With their assistance, I hope to draw my remarks to an early close. I appeal once more to the Opposition Front Bench and to my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition to set an example of good leadership and determination. We are very glad he stayed with us and supported us in all our debates on this matter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.207.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.219.4", "colnum": "219", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "I shall not detain the Committee for very long. I recognise that tomorrow it will be said that once again the Labour Party filibustered and kept up the House of Commons—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.219.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.219.4", "colnum": "219", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: It was the Evening News.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "I shall not detain the Committee for very long. I recognise that tomorrow it will be said that once again the Labour Party filibustered and kept up the House of Commons—[HON. MEMBERS: No.]—particularly by newspapers like the Evening Standard, which has now overtaken the Star and wiped it out.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.219.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.220.1", "colnum": "220", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sir Harry.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "e worried about economics as such. But I am astounded at the procedure we must go through in putting out this sum of money. I am associated with the National Health Service, and I wonder why it is that we have never done the same thing before. Where does this money come from? How is that millions of pounds awarded by the Whitley Council have never had to wait for Mr. Pilkington, whoever he may be—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.220.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.230.0", "colnum": "230", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Reynolds", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir Gordon. I appreciate that the other banks are not mentioned, but the Clause provides that the Treasury may borrow \"from any person\", and \"person\" must surely include corporate bodies of one kind and another. Because the particular banks or institutions are not mentioned, may we not refer to them because they are covered by the word \"person\"?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.229.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.230.8", "colnum": "230", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Robinson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, no.''", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Robinson", "preceding_text": "int that I wish to raise is in subsection (4). This is a piece of Parliamentary drafting which, to say the least, is infelicitous. It states: shall form part of the said Consolidated Fund, and be available in any manner in which such Fund is available. That means either something or nothing. It is unsual for a provision to be included in a Bill, particularly a Government Bill, which means nothing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.230.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.232.7", "colnum": "232", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Yes, it is.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "I understand the inquiry is not into a misprint—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.232.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.235.0", "colnum": "235", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Withdraw the Bill.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Stewart", "preceding_text": "t \"sums\" but \"sum.\" Are we to accept the principle that in an Act of Parliament the plural can be understood to mean the singular, and the singular only? I am sure that the hon. Member for the Isle of Ely and the Leader of the House will agree that there is a point of importance here and that we ought not to be content with a slovenly drafting of this kind. How are we to get out of the difficulty?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.235.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.236.1", "colnum": "236", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They are getting it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": "t the singular only. I do not think that without further thought we can push that principle into law. Yet if we go on with consideration of the Bill that is where we shall be driven to, because if we go on considering it tonight we cannot amend it. Surely the right course in these circumstances would be for the Committee to report Progress. We have no wish to delay the doctors getting their money.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.236.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.237.1", "colnum": "237", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "A long time ago.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "Many of us have lost confidence in Her Majesty's Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.237.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.237.2", "colnum": "237", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "—but it becomes a very much more serious matter when anything happens which tends to make us lose confidence in Her Majesty's Stationery Office—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.237.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.242.2", "colnum": "242", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "Before you give your Ruling on that, Sir William, may I say that the pretext for this Motion to report Progress—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.242.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.243.3", "colnum": "243", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Reason.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "of the way we run the finances of this country through Parliament, but I never expected to hear the hon. Member for Gloucester (Mr. Diamond) who has, after all, considerable experience and knowledge of the English language to make a suggestion as ludicrous as that he has just made. Certainly I had no malice aforethought in using that word. I thought that all legislation had a pretext of some sort.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.243.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-20", "file": "debates1961-02-20a.xml", "sha256": "5deaaca8c3adff1c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.257.9", "colnum": "257", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SHERIFFS' PENSIONS (SCOTLAND) [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Under-Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. R. Brooman-White)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sum or sums?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Under-Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. R. Brooman-White)", "preceding_text": "r Newcastle-under Lyme (Mr. Swingler). We appreciate his interest in Scottish affairs. The previous stage of the Bill was discussed very fully and interestingly by Scottish Members. I would say for the information of English Members who did not assist in those deliberations that this is a Measure which does not involve any large financial commitment. The total sum is estimated at £5,000 or £6,000.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-20a.257.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.314.3", "colnum": "314", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": "With permission, Mr. Speaker, I will make a short business statement. We have looked into the points raised on the Consolidated Fund Bill in the early hours of this morning and find that there is a mistake in Clause 2 of the Bill. The Government propose to put this right. With your permission, Mr. Speaker, a verbal Amendment will be proposed on the Third Reading of the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.314.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.318.0", "colnum": "318", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I have ascertained in the time available to me that it is in order to make a verbal Amendment of this character on Third Reading.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.318.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.318.5", "colnum": "318", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I cannot answer for Rulings given by the Chair—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.318.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.319.1", "colnum": "319", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "use have altered mistakes of a verbal character before a Bill went to another place. On this occasion it is proposed, with the approval of the authorities of the House, to make a verbal Amendment on Third Reading of the Bill. We are dealing with a verbal Amendment, which, incidentally, does not make as much difference to the Bill as hon. Members imagine. It is our intention to proceed in that way.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.319.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.319.3", "colnum": "319", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Horn. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I really cannot make any further statement on the matter—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.319.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.320.0", "colnum": "320", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Tiley", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Tiley", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. With great respect, Mr. Speaker, I do not wish to question your Ruling—I would not dream of doing that—but there are hon. Members on this side of the House who are rising while these matters are being discussed. Many speeches are being made on the opposite benches. I only wish to draw your attention to the fact that some of us on this side wish to put points—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.320.0"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.323.3", "colnum": "323", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "In that case may I ask the Leader of the House, very briefly—thank you, Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.323.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.328.1", "colnum": "328", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIAN CONSTITUTIONAL CONFERENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "I will answer that last question straight away. It shows that the hon. Member has failed to grasp this scheme.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.328.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.346.1", "colnum": "346", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Eric Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where are they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eric Fletcher", "preceding_text": " read them, but I am prepared to believe that they are incomprehensible if my hon. Friend says that they are, because he is the expert on this subject. He was on the Standing Committee. If the three new Clauses are incomprehensible to those who sat through the Committee stage, they will be far more incomprehensible to the hundreds of hon. Members who are now asked to consider the matter on Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.346.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.367.0", "colnum": "367", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Read on.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "preceding_text": "sociation, dealing with the Government's new Clause, puts the views of the Association in a circular which has been sent to us, also dated 20th February, in which it says that the meaning of this new Clause is far from clear. It goes on to argue the detail, and says: The amendments would allow such people to ask the drainage board to adjust their assessments to the general average of the district.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.366.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.430.7", "colnum": "430", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": " of the drainage rate on agricultural buildings. Can the Joint Parliamentary Secretary say quite clearly within what limits and in what circumstances places where one rears broilers or chickens under somewhat artificial conditions are agricultural buildings and in what cases they are not? I do not think that I need go through the various decisions of the courts, but there have been several lately.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.430.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.432.1", "colnum": "432", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "cue_text": "Holy. MEMBERS: \"The right hon. Member.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "onservative Party—a very formidable figure. He can get hundreds of hon. Members to sign Motions. Indeed, one might almost say that the hon. Member has only to sneeze and the whole Treasury Bench catches a cold. So when I quote the hon. Member for Thirsk and Malton do not let anybody suppose that I am quoting a second-rate figure in the ranks of the Conservative Party. This is what the hon. Member—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.432.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-21", "file": "debates1961-02-21a.xml", "sha256": "6c8b0fd230f75a25", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.441.1", "colnum": "441", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "sistent complaints of hon. Members. I think that that is discourteous to the Commitee, to say the least. My biggest problem concerning the Clause is that I am a layman. As a layman I am not expected to understand and to try to sort out the ramifications of the law. I have a right to expect that the Government will explain the legal position so that we may do our job properly in examining the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-21a.441.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.483.0", "colnum": "483", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Weak.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "The action of the Secretary-General with the Belgian Government has followed these resolutions, and it is up to the Secretary-General to inspire the form of activities in the United Nations that he wants.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.483.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.483.0", "colnum": "483", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": " of the Secretary-General with the Belgian Government has followed these resolutions, and it is up to the Secretary-General to inspire the form of activities in the United Nations that he wants. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Weak.\"] It is not weak. We are working through the United Nations, and supporting it. The question of the jet aircraft is a matter between the two Governments involved. We are not involved—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.483.0"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.518.0", "colnum": "518", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "e position must surely be that, however the tides of criticism, comment and even abuse may ebb and flow, there is only one thing that Her Majesty's Government can do, and that is to remember their responsibilities to all men of all races in that territory, to put forward their policies and, having done that, to hold steadfast on course. That is what we have done, and that is what we propose to do.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.516.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.518.2", "colnum": "518", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "n-racial elections. It is like the blessed word \"Mesopotamia\". The United Federal Party says it, the United National Independence Party says it, the African National Congress says it, and the Central African Liberal Party says it. We all say that we are non-racial now. It is like the phrase, \"We are all Socialists now\", though I appreciate that there are a lot of different interpretations of that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.518.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.526.1", "colnum": "526", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which Prime Minister?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "preceding_text": " the Colonial Secretary believes in multiracial partnership and federation. The hon. Member for Cardiff, South-East (Mr. Callaghan) opposes federation. It is, therefore, natural that on this problem his view and mine differ considerably. In the course of his speech he made what I thought was a brutal, savage and completely unjustified attack on the position of the Prime Minister in Central Africa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.526.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.527.0", "colnum": "527", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "age with a group of European mineworkers. I am not unique in that. The hon. and learned Member for Darwen (Mr. Fletcher-Cooke) and the hon. Member for Haltemprice (Mr. Wall) were also with me at the time, and I hope that they will all agree that we endeavoured to fulfil our programme as completely as we could, and that we met everybody with courtesy and endeavoured to listen to the points of view.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.526.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.542.1", "colnum": "542", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "The two things cancel each other out.", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "Does my right hon. and learned Friend recall that on the ticker-tape machine the Exchange Telegraph Company put out a report exactly to the opposite sense? It only reported those who spoke in favour of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.542.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.553.0", "colnum": "553", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "preceding_text": "nt complications. As a matter of psychology, the Africans want immediately to see that an advance has been made. That advance needs to be based on the 1958 principle, because the blacks accept it and the whites respect it. This problem of non-racialism means to the whites that the blacks will advance on merit, but the blacks accept it because to them it means that there is to be no discrimination—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.553.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.562.1", "colnum": "562", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Godfrey Nicholson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hypothetical.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Godfrey Nicholson", "preceding_text": "ica. Another possibility, not mutually exclusive to the former, is something on the lines of a Rhodesian Sharpeville. We talk about possible breakdowns in law and order in the Rhodesias as if it meant a few cracked heads, a quarrel in Eaton Square outside the Belgian Embassy, or something like that. If there were large-scale rioting in Harare or in the Copper-belt, hundreds of lives might be lost.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.562.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.562.1", "colnum": "562", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Godfrey Nicholson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Godfrey Nicholson", "preceding_text": "lds? I say with great humility, and not intending to lecture the House, that the prime duty of the House is to secure unity within this House and country, clarity in the face of Africa and the world, and determination to press through without hesitation what we believe is the best policy. The odd thing is that there is not a great difference of view in the House. I can speak only for my own party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.562.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.564.0", "colnum": "564", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Sir G. Nicholson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir G. Nicholson", "preceding_text": "I appeal to my noble Friend and his colleagues to have the courage to go into the Division Lobby against the Government if they feel strongly enough. They will find that they have not 97 supporters. They will not have 47; they will not have 27. They may have 17. I know the way in which some of these names were secured.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.564.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.564.7", "colnum": "564", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Sir G. Nicholson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Mislead?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir G. Nicholson", "preceding_text": "I am not imputing any insincerity to people. When people feel very deeply about a subject they often unintentionally mislead those whom they are asking to help them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.564.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.565.7", "colnum": "565", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "False?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir G. Nicholson", "preceding_text": "I am not imputing base motives. The noble Lord the Member for Dorset, South (Viscount Hinchingbrooke) started by saying that he had 97 hon. Members with him. I contradicted him. Many of those concerned put their names to the Motion under a false impression.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.565.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.565.11", "colnum": "565", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Stonehouse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Stonehouse", "preceding_text": "te frankly, borders on hypocrisy. We are told that the approach is being made towards a non-racial solution. I ask hon. Members very carefully to read the two remarkable editorials which appeared in The Times yesterday and today. The fact is that, although some people talk in terms of partnership and non-racial democracy, what Sir Roy Welensky and the United Federal Party want is white domination—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.565.11"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.568.3", "colnum": "568", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "under the control of the Federal Government. If there is to be restraint, and I think that this debate has been conducted on the whole with remarkable restraint, there must be restraint all round. There must be restraint in Rhodesia so far as Sir Roy Welensky is concerned and also on the part of some hon. Members opposite are concerned. I do not wish to interfere with their arguments and quarrels—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.568.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.576.1", "colnum": "576", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "preceding_text": "ed as jelly-boned cowards for kow-towing to the African extremists, and, by the other side, we are accused of betraying the Africans and selling them down the river. The Leader of the Opposition deplores the fact that our plan has been rejected by both races. I am not sure that he is right about that. The fact that it has been rejected by both races does not necessarily mean that it is a bad plan.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.576.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.590.4", "colnum": "590", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EXPORT TRADE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Sack him.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "siastic as the Board of Trade thought they ought to be, the Board of Trade told our representatives in Rome to let the idea drop. Luckily, our Ambassador in Rome said that this was too good a chance to let drop and himself got in touch with British traders who could help, and it was left to private industry to get these Italian buyers over here. Whoever turned down that idea in the Board of Trade—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.590.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.654.0", "colnum": "654", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "hich an Amendment is acceptable by the Chair. As one of those who are anxious that the House should not seem to be incapable of controlling its affairs and appear to act in a most foolish way because it does not understand its powers aright, may I suggest that, in fact, this Clause should never have been called, that you should not have proposed the Question That the Clause stand part of the Bill?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.654.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.655.1", "colnum": "655", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. K. Robinson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. K. Robinson", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. Is the hon. Member for Bristol, North-West (Mr. McLaren) on a point of order?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.655.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.660.0", "colnum": "660", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Swingler", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is a farce.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Swingler", "preceding_text": "I still stick to the old-fashioned view that it is wrong for the Committee to pass a Clause knowing it to be inaccurate. Therefore, I register my protest at this procedure.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.660.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.677.2", "colnum": "677", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "I know that. The point has been made by my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Mr. Swingler) that he wants to establish whether in actual fact this money is specifically earmarked for the payment of doctors and dentists, or is it that the money?—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.677.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.707.1", "colnum": "707", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "Perhaps I may be allowed, Sir William, to say that I feel that I ought to apologise to the Committee—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.707.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.707.1", "colnum": "707", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "sten to these points of order and your Rulings upon them because they have suggested to me an entirely new line of argument which I should now like to put to the Committee. I understand from the Rulings that you have been good enough to give, Sir William, and from the elucidations that have taken place as a result of this ventilation of the procedure, that the Clause is not amendable in Committee.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.707.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.722.3", "colnum": "722", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "t was. If he will forgive me, I will not give way to him now because I want to make my own point. What I am submitting to you, Mr. Speaker, with respect, is that by no stretch of language or imagination can the Amendment which the hon. Gentleman seeks to move be described as merely verbal, let alone insignificant. It is so far from being merely verbal that it has a point of great substance indeed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.722.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-22", "file": "debates1961-02-22a.xml", "sha256": "43540df49614fc9d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.727.6", "colnum": "727", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where are they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "preceding_text": "I know that these matters have irritated my hon. Friend the Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman) to the extent of him making his protest against this Amendment, but I think that it is only fair that the Financial Secretary, at this stage, should acknowledge that this error which he is seeking to correct—and I welcome that—was pointed out to him by hon. Members of the Opposition.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-22a.727.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.772.3", "colnum": "772", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thompson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thompson", "preceding_text": "I think that the hon Lady's figure is about right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.772.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.785.0", "colnum": "785", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SIERRA LEONE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "preceding_text": "vasion, and that the time has come for him to realise that he cannot be all things to all men all of the time? In view of the unanimous condemnation by the House of the practice of apartheid , and the almost unanimous condemnation of that practice by the people of the United Kingdom, cannot the right hon. Gentleman come off the fence and tell South Africa that the continuation of this practice is—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.785.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.792.0", "colnum": "792", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "preceding_text": "If the official Opposition continue their obstructionist tactics—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.792.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.792.9", "colnum": "792", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "ipline is entirely a matter for Her Majesty's Opposition. The business of the House is conducted by proposition and opposition and also, at fames, by understanding. When understandings are broken the business of the House does not run. I do not regard last night as an occasion when the Opposition—that is, the official Opposition—broke an understanding. I regard as an occasion when some guerrillas—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.792.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.809.2", "colnum": "809", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Then who for?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "As I pointed out, this is not a matter for the Committee.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.809.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.813.7", "colnum": "813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why not?", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "No, we cannot discuss this further.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.813.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.816.2", "colnum": "816", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "No, I am sorry, I cannot accept that Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.816.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.817.4", "colnum": "817", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "Give us a chance. With great respect to the Chair, I want to make it clear that I accept your Ruling, Sir Gordon.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.817.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.818.8", "colnum": "818", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "To test the feeling of the Committee, I beg to move, \"That the Chairman do now leave the Chair\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.818.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.819.6", "colnum": "819", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "t to go by default. I suggest to my right hon. and hon. Friends that we have a long way to go on the Committee stage of this Bill. We shall have many opportunities of expressing our dissent from the contents of the Bill, and, therefore, I would respectfully suggest to them that we do not want our fire to continue to be aimed at you, Sir Gordon, when we really want to aim it at the benches opposite", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.819.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.825.0", "colnum": "825", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Arthur Holt", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member will be aware that in another Bill which has just gone into Committee upstairs, the National Health Service Bill, the Government have, in Clause 2, made considerable arrangements for altering the charges by regulation, a procedure to which he objects in this context.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.824.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.834.0", "colnum": "834", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They have never had it so good.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "preceding_text": "e—although the similarities are few and far between—in 1951 as a result of the economic difficulties with which we were then faced as a result of the Korean crisis. Hon. Members opposite have said that economic difficulties are the reason and justification for the present Bill. That is probably a rather thin argument. Certainly, one would agree that the country is faced with economic difficulties.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.834.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.845.0", "colnum": "845", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "I said earlier that I could not talk with any knowledge of the farming industry. However, what my hon. Friend has said reminds me that in an area like mine there are vast numbers of women who are employed at very low rates of pay and to whom these additional costs will be a major burden. It is interesting to note that there are more spinsters in my constituency than anywhere else in the country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.845.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.846.3", "colnum": "846", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. W. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. W. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "The debate has now been going on for nearly two and a half hours.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.846.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.848.1", "colnum": "848", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "dment would give the Government the opportunity to tell that to us. They would also be able to come along in July next year and tell us what had happened to the money. In the course of proceedings on this Bill up to now they have told us that this money will be used for financing the hospital investment programme. I want to know where the Secretary of State for Scotland comes in in this connection", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.848.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.850.5", "colnum": "850", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It will.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) has made an impassioned appeal which, I hope, will not fall on deaf ears.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.850.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.850.5", "colnum": "850", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) has made an impassioned appeal which, I hope, will not fall on deaf ears. [HON. MEMBERS: \"It will.\"] I must say that I feel sorry for the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He and I have a great deal in common.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.850.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3", "colnum": "851", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend the Member for South Ayrshire (Mr. Emrys Hughes) is also from South Wales, although he represents a Scottish constituency. Perhaps I did go a bit too far, and I withdraw my last remark. I want to refer to the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3", "colnum": "851", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Who is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "a bit too far, and I withdraw my last remark. I want to refer to the Amendment. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] I want to ask the right hon. and learned Gentleman whether he has considered its effect in the Principality of Wales. My hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West asked why the Secretary of State for Scotland was not present. We have almost forgotten the name of the Minister for Welsh Affairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3", "colnum": "851", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He has gone again.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "e a chance to examine the accounts of the Government each year, and to see whether it is necessary to maintain these higher contributions and whether this unfair system of a flat rate is justified. We may now have a more enlightened discussion, since the Attorney-General has entered the Chamber. I hope that he will bring his vast experience at the law to the aid of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.851.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.864.0", "colnum": "864", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. K. Lewis", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. K. Lewis", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member's analogy is not a very good one. With the road tax, the Government were collecting more money than they were spending on the roads—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.864.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.864.3", "colnum": "864", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: That's their reason.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "preceding_text": "Sir William, the Bill does not tell us that the Government will spend the money on hospitals—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.864.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.868.1", "colnum": "868", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "ause there are such strong expansionist influences. Furthermore, Health Service expenditure, as a proportion of the gross national product has also been rising. The total of public capital expenditure, as a proportion, has been rising. A good deal has been said about hospital building this afternoon. It is worth remembering that hospital building has gone up by £175 million in the last three years", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.868.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.886.1", "colnum": "886", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Really? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "I was talking about the modern Athens, the city of light and learning. If my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South (Mr. Ellis Smith) walks far enough along Princes Street he will reach St. Andrew's House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.886.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.891.8", "colnum": "891", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ron Ledger", "preceding_text": "I have—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.891.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.893.1", "colnum": "893", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ledger", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ledger", "preceding_text": " identity of the person who is the Minister of Health. My problem is that it is obvious that the right hon. Gentleman has been brought back into office in order to do the Government's hatchet work. Therefore, there is something in having his name attached to the Bill. Again, there is the problem that the Financial Secretary, who now represents the Treasury, was himself a kind of Government reject.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.893.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.897.5", "colnum": "897", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "ernment stand firm and insist on the Treasury dealing with our people. No one knows better than the Minister of Health—now hiding behind the Financial Secretary—how broad-minded, kindly and tolerant the Welsh people are, but there comes a point beyond which they will resist, and when their ire is aroused it is a case of \"Look out!\", because there are no better fighters in the world than the Welsh—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.897.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.902.1", "colnum": "902", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": " \"stage army\"—the increased contribution will be a provision in aid to the Health Service so there is no doubt at all as to its being used for the Health Service. The only difference made by this Bill is that whereas on earlier occasions the Health Ministers jointly arranged the day on which the increase in contribution came into effect, the power of appointing the date will lie with the Treasury.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.902.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.902.1", "colnum": "902", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": " and it must be a Treasury Bill. That is to say, my right hon. Friend the Chancellor, the Economic Secretary and myself are in charge of it. It is a Treasury Bill, and I wish to make that absolutely clear. The Government have felt, I think rightly, that the proposal we are discussing in the Bill is so clearly significant in relation to general Government policy in regard to the raising of revenue—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.902.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.905.0", "colnum": "905", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "ll. Whether it should have a proper place in the general financial and fiscal arrangements of the country is a debatable question, but all pretence has been stripped from this Bill that it has anything to do with health or, for that matter, with the Minister of Health. I speak as an Englishman, and when I listen to my hon. Friends from Scotland, who claim the Prime Minister as a fellow-countryman—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.905.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.905.0", "colnum": "905", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is admitted.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "mstances, we on this side of the Committee cannot regard this as a fundamental Amendment. It is in keeping with the new look of this Bill, and I think that in the days and months ahead, we shall have to consider this type of Bill in its relationship to the general fiscal arrangements. Wherever one goes now and whatever one reads about the Bill, there is a growing acknowledgment that this is a tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.905.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.908.0", "colnum": "908", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "ledge that the Financial Secretary has made it clear beyond peradventure that the Bill is intended to get money in for the Treasury, and it seems appropriate that the Treasury should fix the date upon which it will levy the increased taxation on the citizen. We know now where the responsibility lies. We hereby acquit the Minister of Health and the Secretary of State for Scotland of any complicity—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.907.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.908.6", "colnum": "908", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacColl", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacColl", "preceding_text": "end the Member for Southampton, Itchen (Dr. King). A great constitutional authority once said, I think, that the basis of democratic control of Government was that there should be a clearly discernible bottom to kick. In that context, to apply the expression \"faceless man\" to the Treasury would, perhaps, be inappropriate. Perhaps one might suggest that there is a deficiency at the other extremity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.908.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.908.6", "colnum": "908", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacColl", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Here comes the Closure.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacColl", "preceding_text": "rrupt his intricate calculations about how many corpses he will have to marshal among his ranks or some of the other technical problems with which he has to deal. He will not interrupt those duties for a moment to sign this document, probably not knowing what he is signing. Then the Bill comes into operation, and when we call someone to account, the person responsible for it, there will be nobody.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.908.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.936.0", "colnum": "936", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where are they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "anding Order of the House. 10.30 p.m. Let us look at what has happened in the House over the last fortnight. There are many such Statutory Instruments which I am sure hon. Members opposite would like to have discussed, but because of the state of Government business we just cannot get time to discuss them. There is a very important one on skimmed milk, interesting to agricultural Members opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.936.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.938.1", "colnum": "938", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "Did the hon. Member for Croydon, North-West (Mr. F. Harris) suggest that my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Willis) has just come in? Had the hon. Member been here himself—and I admit he has been here some time, but not lately—he would have appreciated that my hon. Friend was here, and not only here but addressing himself to this Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.938.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.938.2", "colnum": "938", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederic Harris", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederic Harris", "preceding_text": "I appreciated the hon. Member's giving way.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.938.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.939.1", "colnum": "939", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And two were asleep.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "nfair to himself. I can assure him that if he had been here we should not have missed him, because at one time he would have been the only person here on that side of the Committee—apart from those on the Front Bench. For a long, long time the Tory Party of the United Kingdom, of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, England and Wales was represented by three Scottish Members, all of them Old Etonians.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.939.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.939.1", "colnum": "939", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"He has not.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "hey hope it will be 3rd July, they recognise that they are placing upon the Ministry of Pensions and National Insurance a tremendous task of scrapping stamps which are themselves new and have not yet been used—they start using them in the first week in April—and producing a new lot, they hope, some time in the first week in July. I do not think the Economic Secretary has persuaded my hon. Friends.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.939.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.941.1", "colnum": "941", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "ern democracy today is not just propaganda but a demonstration that Parliamentary democracy means government by Parliament and not government by regulation with the right of Parliament merely to say \"Yes\" or \"No\" in the limited time allowed for it. 10.45 p.m. Last year I had the good fortune to introduce a Bill seeking to lay down minimum standards of health, safety and welfare for office workers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.941.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.943.6", "colnum": "943", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I would not want, and my hon. Friend the Member for Gloucestershire, West (Mr. Loughlin) would not want, to leave the Clause. That is the last thing we want to do.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.943.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.944.1", "colnum": "944", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton), because I could not have believed that the position would be as bad as that. It might be a good idea for the Economic Secretary to make a speech on this matter, because if we cannot debate the issue, it seems rather pointless to put the provision in the Bill. I wind up, because I do not want to keep the Committee—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.944.1"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.947.2", "colnum": "947", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What is it?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lipton", "preceding_text": "I seriously suggest that we are here concerned with a fundamental question of principle.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.947.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.956.0", "colnum": "956", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Wells", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Wells", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. The right hon. Gentleman says that we have made good progress, but he has not been in his place—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.956.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.956.4", "colnum": "956", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "Two hours will be enough for hon. Members opposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.956.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.1", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " If we are kept here beyond this time, everybody knows that the hon. Member for Kidderminister will be even more liable to blow up, tempers will rise and hon. Members will erupt, and it really is not good for Parliament that that should happen. The Government will gain nothing from it. Ministers who are already grappling with problems which are much too large for them will be that much more jaded.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.2", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order. Ask Jelly-bones.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "re beyond this time, everybody knows that the hon. Member for Kidderminister will be even more liable to blow up, tempers will rise and hon. Members will erupt, and it really is not good for Parliament that that should happen. The Government will gain nothing from it. Ministers who are already grappling with problems which are much too large for them will be that much more jaded. [ Interruption. ]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.3", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "I am very flattered that the occupants of the Treasury Bench should be having such a discussion. On the other hand, I rather doubt that it is with the Treasury junior Ministers that the Chancellor needs to consult on my proposal. He probably needs to persuade his right hon. Friend the Chief Patronage Secretary. We are all united on this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.3", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "er doubt that it is with the Treasury junior Ministers that the Chancellor needs to consult on my proposal. He probably needs to persuade his right hon. Friend the Chief Patronage Secretary. We are all united on this. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] Judging by the way hands and arms are raised and waved opposite, there must be some bookies' runners on the Government benches. We are all united on this issue—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.957.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.958.1", "colnum": "958", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "I listened with the closest attention —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.958.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.960.3", "colnum": "960", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Then go home.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "understand that hon. Members opposite have had the Colonial Secretary to entertain them. We all know that when the House sits late it is not only hon. Members who are involved. All sorts of people are involved, and there are crises in other parts of the building, too. Other people have to get home. It is unreasonable for the second time this week for the Government to keep us here until this hour.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.960.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.960.3", "colnum": "960", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "n and who vote blindly, following their leaders like sheep. During the deliberations we have not heard what Welsh Conservative Members feel on this question. It is not too much to ask whether they are not prepared even now to address the Committee. We all know that there is a danger that after midnight the level of the discussion will fall a little. In the small hours we often have frayed tempers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.960.3"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.964.5", "colnum": "964", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "The fact is that I said in an undertone—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.964.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.966.0", "colnum": "966", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "n. Friends shouted out, he was a Liberace of the Government Front Bench. It was a wonderful performance and we were impressed. We hope we shall hear more of him. I want to put one point in support of the Motion. A great number of hon. Members are engaged on Standing Committees, and some of us has been here since 10.30 this morning. There is the Rating and Valuation Bill, and a considerable number—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.966.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.966.2", "colnum": "966", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And Welsh Members.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "fair show. I have a great deal of sympathy with them, because they have to make tremendous journeys to reach their constituencies in order to tell their constituents what a bright crowd this Government are. They should be allowed an opportunity to do so. If we go on much longer with this debate our Scottish colleagues and those living in the North of England will not be able to catch their trains.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.966.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.969.0", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "I am obliged to my right hon. Friend. It ought to go on record that my right hon. Friend has been doing some work apart from the rest of us—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.969.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.969.0", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which day?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "e that about 140 hon. Members have been on duty since half-past ten yesterday morning; they ought to be considered. What does the Patronage Secretary think he will gain by keeping this debate going all night? Does he really think that we shall get rid of all the Amendments on the Notice Paper? If so, he is making a mistake. If it goes on and he moves the Closure he will find at the end of the day—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.969.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.970.1", "colnum": "970", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Is this in order?\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "I put it to the Chancellor and the Patronage Secretary that democracy is in great danger while they are fiddling about now that council elections are to take place.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.970.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.970.2", "colnum": "970", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "I return to my original theme. If we are not to be allowed to go home now and discuss this matter on another day in the normal way, we shall have to go through tomorrow morning and lose Private Members' Bills, which will upset hon. Members who have had luck in the Ballot—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.970.2"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.978.1", "colnum": "978", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Where is he? Is he down there, too?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "On that occasion a point was raised by an hon. Friend of mine—I think it was my hon. Friend the Member for West Ham, North (Mr. A. Lewis)—who said that he had had difficulty—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.978.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.1", "colnum": "979", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "—in which to do our business, because some hon. Members —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.3", "colnum": "979", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "We are in no hurry, Sir William. The point I was raising with you is, if it is true, as is reported by my hon. Friends, that hon. Members of the Committee are not able to get into the rooms which are available for us to do our business in—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.3", "colnum": "979", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Start again.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "We are in no hurry, Sir William. The point I was raising with you is, if it is true, as is reported by my hon. Friends, that hon. Members of the Committee are not able to get into the rooms which are available for us to do our business in—[ Interruption. ] I will take as long as hon. Members like over this point of order. I repeat, we are in no hurry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.4", "colnum": "979", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ers of the Committee are not able to get into the rooms which are available for us to do our business in—[ Interruption. ] I will take as long as hon. Members like over this point of order. I repeat, we are in no hurry. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Start again.\"] May I start again, Sir William? The point I am trying to raise with you, which the schoolboys below the Gangway are not anxious that you should hear—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.979.3"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.989.4", "colnum": "989", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Barbara Castle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Barbara Castle", "preceding_text": "On a point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.989.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.994.3", "colnum": "994", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "Clause 1—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.994.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1000.1", "colnum": "1000", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Miss Lee", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\".", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Lee", "preceding_text": "the lower-wage earners, although they have had their direct taxation eased, at the same time help to pay taxes. They help by paying indirect taxes, Purchase Tax and now, worst of all, this poll tax. 1.45 a.m. I hope that hon. Members opposite realise that they have done two things in bringing forward this Measure. The first is to make an exceedingly united Opposition, and we are not always united.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1000.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1003.5", "colnum": "1003", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "I have every respect for you, Mr. Blackburn, and am quite prepared to carry out your orders.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1003.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.4", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. White", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. White", "preceding_text": "ill. Before that interruption, I was about to draw the attention of the Committee to the comment in The Guardian leading article on the morning of 2nd February. It said: Flat-rate contributions are tolerable only while they are kept low enough so as not to press too heavily on the poorer families. The article also said: If the Government wished to raise… We know about the \"slow hand-clap\" —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.4", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. White", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. White", "preceding_text": " the Government wished to raise the contributions it should have found some way of relating the amount paid to earnings. The burden of our complaint about this Clause is, as my hon. Friend the Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton) pointed out, that we think it is a most objectionable way of raising the money required for the Health Service. When the Financial Secretary made a speech on Second Reading—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.6", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "preceding_text": "I have already appealed to the Committee that there should be less noise so that we might have the opportunity of hearing the speech of the hon. Member—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1007.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1013.0", "colnum": "1013", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dr. King", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. King", "preceding_text": " seriously whether the poll tax is to be a permanent element in British taxation. Are the Government prepared to defend it as something which is vital and fundamental? Is it to be increased, as this Clause increases it, every time we expand the Health Service? Is every extension now in the Welfare State and the National Health Service to be matched by some increase in the poll element of taxation?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1013.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1020.0", "colnum": "1020", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": " go back straight away to the point made by the hon. Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton) shortly after—if I may so express it—we achieved take-off in the debate on the Clause. The hon. Member made the point, which I was interested to hear and was glad he made, that in his view the social services should be financed mainly out of general taxation. I think that we have spent a long time on the Clause—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1020.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1022.1", "colnum": "1022", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I am coming to this particular form of tax—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1022.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1024.1", "colnum": "1024", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I have made my point, and the right hon. Member has made his. I believe that I was perfectly justified in saying that this was admittedly and avowedly a regressive element in our system.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1024.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1028.0", "colnum": "1028", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend has just said, with justification, that if one disallowed the charges of an insurance contribution as an admissible charge for the purpose of computing Income Tax and Surtax it would be inequitable that the retirement pension should not be taxed. What is the position in relation to sickness benefit? Is that ever subject to Income Tax and Surtax?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1028.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5", "colnum": "1031", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "ay, that it should be sometime after the next election, when hon. Members opposite would have the opportunity of persuading directly their electors of the justice of this proposal. There was no mention of this kind of proposal at the last election. I have taken great trouble to go through various election broadcasts and leaflets. I have some election addresses with me which make wonderful reading.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5", "colnum": "1031", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "ion, when hon. Members opposite would have the opportunity of persuading directly their electors of the justice of this proposal. There was no mention of this kind of proposal at the last election. I have taken great trouble to go through various election broadcasts and leaflets. I have some election addresses with me which make wonderful reading. [ Interruption. ] \"Fiction\" certainly is the word.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5", "colnum": "1031", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": ". There was no mention of this kind of proposal at the last election. I have taken great trouble to go through various election broadcasts and leaflets. I have some election addresses with me which make wonderful reading. [ Interruption. ] \"Fiction\" certainly is the word. [ Interruption. ] Hon. Members opposite have something about which to blame themselves, certainly not something to be proud of.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1031.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1033.7", "colnum": "1033", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "He is becoming a nuisance.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "Sir Herbert, I do not intend at this hour of the morning to attempt to shout down the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro), and I ask for the protection of the Chairman against his iniquitous voice.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1033.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1034.0", "colnum": "1034", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "at we ought to return to the rates of Income Tax and Surtax which obtained in 1946. That is the local deduction from his policy. Is that what the Government are going to propose in the Budget? I very much doubt it. Instead of increases in Income Tax and Surtax we have this type of taxation. Progressive direct taxation has been reduced in no less than seven out of ten Budgets in the past ten years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1034.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1039.0", "colnum": "1039", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fenner Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fenner Brockway", "preceding_text": "Despite the temptation of the hour, I do not propose to make a long speech—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1039.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1048.0", "colnum": "1048", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "My right hon. and hon. Friends are perfectly willing to carry on.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1048.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1048.0", "colnum": "1048", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ear.\"] It is true that it is difficult for us to improve this miserable, mean little Bill. Nevertheless, we have several pages of Amendments to the Schedule, and I know that my hon. Friends would be just as willing and assiduous in moving them and pressing them on the Government as they have been in their speeches on Clause 1. I can understand the Government's concern. Their majority is dwindling.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1048.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-23", "file": "debates1961-02-23a.xml", "sha256": "451a43e74eaf7a1f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1049.0", "colnum": "1049", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": " any say in the Bill. I have sat here very nearly the whole of the time since the debate started. At the very moment when, from the look in your eye, Sir Gordon, I was quite sure that you were about to call me next in the debate, the Patronage Secretary—I hope not by design, but the coincidences have been so many that I suspect there must have been some plan behind it—got up and moved the Closure.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-23a.1049.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-24", "file": "debates1961-02-24a.xml", "sha256": "94cae7c27868c10f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-24a.1059.9", "colnum": "1059", "heading": "Orders of the Day — MOCK AUCTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Colonel Sir Tufton Beamish", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Colonel Sir Tufton Beamish", "preceding_text": "d like to take the opportunity of thanking my right hon. Friend the Minister of State, Home Department, and his Department for the help that I have been given and any future help that will be forthcoming. I should also like to say how much I appreciate the fact that, belonging as my right hon. Friend does to a Ministry with an enormous amount of legislation on its hand, much of which is very good—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-24a.1059.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-27", "file": "debates1961-02-27a.xml", "sha256": "f3960126b0a05f52", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1198.2", "colnum": "1198", "heading": "DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "preceding_text": "ng nuclear as well as conventional; thirdly, the maintenance of a carefully balanced contribution to meet our worldwide commitments and our obligations to our allies—I merge three and four for the convenience of the House. We have made good progress with the five-year plan for defence, constructed with such skill and energy by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1198.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-27", "file": "debates1961-02-27a.xml", "sha256": "f3960126b0a05f52", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1198.2", "colnum": "1198", "heading": "DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about your policy?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "preceding_text": " give plenty of room to advance or retreat. I do not wish to deal with it in great detail now, and whether it is an official statement that we should consider, or what the Daily Herald calls the Cousins' case, or the Crossman case, but I would like to ask the hon. Member for Leeds, East (Mr. Healey), who, I think, is following me, to tell the House in rather more detail how this policy would work.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1198.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-27", "file": "debates1961-02-27a.xml", "sha256": "f3960126b0a05f52", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1219.1", "colnum": "1219", "heading": "DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "The Minister of Defence said that he sometimes had this odd this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1219.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-27", "file": "debates1961-02-27a.xml", "sha256": "f3960126b0a05f52", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1309.0", "colnum": "1309", "heading": "DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Read on.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mulley", "preceding_text": "is year's White Paper and in his speech today? To refresh the memory of the House, I will quote from paragraph 12 of the 1958 White Paper. It reads: The democratic Western nations will never start a war against Russia. But it must be well understood that, if Russia were to launch a major attack on them, even with conventional forces only, they would have to hit back with strategic nuclear weapons.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-27a.1307.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1360.8", "colnum": "1360", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "preceding_text": "In view of the new town at Cumbernauld and the development of the Burgh of Kirkintilloch as a result of the overspill agreement with Glasgow, I hope the hon. Gentleman will make a stronger effort—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1360.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1374.4", "colnum": "1374", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": ", and that following the revelation of this fact in the Daily Herald a few days ago and the tabling of this Question, the Assistant Military Attache has been recalled? Can we have the Prime Minister's assurance that this gentleman will not be allowed to return to this country, as I have definite evidence that he indulged in these activities? Will the Prime Minister approach the Belgian Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1374.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1374.4", "colnum": "1374", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "ew days ago and the tabling of this Question, the Assistant Military Attache has been recalled? Can we have the Prime Minister's assurance that this gentleman will not be allowed to return to this country, as I have definite evidence that he indulged in these activities? Will the Prime Minister approach the Belgian Government—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"]—I take my instructions on order from the Chair—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1374.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1375.2", "colnum": "1375", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "Would not the right hon. Gentleman agree that, in any case, it is most undesirable that British subjects should enlist in any of these private armies in the Congo?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1375.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0", "colnum": "1376", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "If there are some difficulties about playing on shore to mixed audiences—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0", "colnum": "1376", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "If there are some difficulties about playing on shore to mixed audiences—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Obviously, there have been—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0", "colnum": "1376", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "If there are some difficulties about playing on shore to mixed audiences—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] Obviously, there have been—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] As there are some difficulties about—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1376.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1379.1", "colnum": "1379", "heading": "ROYAL COMMISSION ON THE PRESS (MEMBERSHIP)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And very able.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "both searching and effective. Professor Browning is Professor of Accountancy at Glasgow University—a very respectable university. Sir Graham Cunningham has served the Government—as many hon. Members know who may have worked with him—very well in war and peace. Mr. Reddaway is Director of the Department of Applied Economics at Cambridge, and Mr. Webber is the very respectable trade union secretary—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1379.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2", "colnum": "1390", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: 'Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "preceding_text": "vision that I thought that he was in favour of Surtax relief and a capital gains tax. I apologise to him for any embarrassment I may have caused him. It is always my aim to minimise as much as possible the embarrassment that I cause my right hon. Friend. I am not trying to make the rich richer. I am attacking a series of social evils caused by the levels at which the present rates of Surtax begin.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2", "colnum": "1390", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about the workers?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "preceding_text": " wait to hear the arguments, they might then decide whether they wish to complain. The starting level of £2,000 for Surtax was fixed forty years ago and has remained the same ever since. But we have no need to go back forty years. A man who, in 1938, was earning £2,000 a year might then have bean considered a rich man, but today, £2,000 a year is the equivalent of only £600 or £700 before the war.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2", "colnum": "1390", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which are they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "preceding_text": "A rich shipowner told me recently that he would never have given his employees the right to run up accounts at restaurants before the war. He does it now because it is the only way of giving a man an increase without his incurring a heavy Surtax liability. That attitude is multiplied many times throughout industry. The twenty most expensive restaurants in London have three-quarters of their bills—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1390.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1391.4", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "ould be called income into capital. They employ ingenuity on this which might well be employed in devising new motor cars and other new goods for export. When Surtax was introduced in 1920, only 90,000 people then paid it. Today, nearly half a million people pay it, and the number is rising every year. This is largely because of the social revolution brought about by the Labour Government in 1945.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1391.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1391.4", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "Labour Government in 1945. [ Interruption. ] My hon. Friends should not decry the work done between 1945 and 1951 in raising the general living standards of the vast mass of the people. Nearly half a million people are now paying Surtax. Soon, the number will be higher. If we do not get many of their votes and their influence, the Labour Party will not return to power at the next General Election.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1391.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3", "colnum": "1393", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "It is not only people whom we used to think of as rich who are coming into the Surtax class. The other day, I was talking in my constituency to the 20-year-old son of a miner.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3", "colnum": "1393", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Divide.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "hing to do with our failure to increase our productivity and exports while those countries have been doing much better than we have done. The position rapidly worsens after the £3,000-a-year level. Young men refuse jobs which involve moving, say, to London or elsewhere in the country, because the rise in salary would not sufficiently offset the cost of the move, which is not allowable against tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3", "colnum": "1393", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": ", the incidence of Surtax when a qualified married woman goes back to teaching prevents many of them from doing so, because their income is combined with that of their husbands and they have to employ, perhaps, help in the home to do the housework that they would otherwise be doing. Many find that they are making a loss on the whole deal and they will not return to work. These are serious matters.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1393.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1398.3", "colnum": "1398", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "g the hon. Member for Leeds, West (Mr. C. Pannell) my assurance that I hope to act myself, in a Division to follow this Motion, as the first Teller against the Motion, and I invite the hon. Member for Leeds, West to join me as the second. Having disposed of those essential prerequisites, I now pass to the rather quixotic situation in which we find ourselves this afternoon, when a Socialist Member—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1398.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1402.3", "colnum": "1402", "heading": "SURTAX RELIEF", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "Yes, Mr. Speaker. You have ruled that it is not possible to interrupt during the proceedings on a Bill under the Ten Minutes Rule, but when slanderous statements are made what opportunity have we to correct them? The hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well that what he has said is utterly untrue.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1402.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1420.1", "colnum": "1420", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman is dealing with a very important point—the question of mobility and the number of men and hardware available, but the only theatre in which we have got anything like a resemblance to a brigade group is Germany.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1420.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1420.1", "colnum": "1420", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman is dealing with a very important point—the question of mobility and the number of men and hardware available, but the only theatre in which we have got anything like a resemblance to a brigade group is Germany. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] It is no good pretending otherwise. Anybody who says anything to the contrary is deceiving the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1420.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1429.2", "colnum": "1429", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "preceding_text": "re now fully co-ordinated. That was said two years ago and it is much truer today than it was then. A nuclear weapon system takes ten years or so to develop. It cannot be switched on and off according to the changes of the temperature or strength of the wind blowing up the backs of Socialist leaders al seaside resorts in the autumn. In war and in politics it is the unexpected that usually happens.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1429.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1431.1", "colnum": "1431", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. H. S. Crossman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. H. S. Crossman", "preceding_text": "ther we can sustain a deterrent of our own over the next decade. The Minister must not believe that the House will continue to accept his flatulent assertions. We have had four years of this defence policy, and each year Ministers have assured us that this and that will be so. The Secretary of State for Air told us that we can rest assured that all capital outlay for the decade had been completed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1431.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1432.1", "colnum": "1432", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "preceding_text": "st beginning to come into the front line. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Woolwich, East (Mr. Mayhew) on an admirable and terrifying description, which was not denied in any particular, of how these weapons are dispersed in Western Europe today. Right down to battalion level and battalion targets we have atomic tactical weapons on our side, on the Western side—not on the Russian side—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1432.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1432.1", "colnum": "1432", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Manpower.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "preceding_text": " distinction between their conventional and their tactical atomic forces. 1 am told that in B.A.O.R. no such distinction is made because we are so weak, our conventional equipment is so bad, that we have to rely on the atomic tactical weapon in substitution for the tanks and anti-tank guns that we ought to possess. I make these assertions because they must be confirmed or denied by the Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1432.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1489.2", "colnum": "1489", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Lambton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And why is that?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Lambton", "preceding_text": "We have seen from events in the Congo that the United Nations is not an effective policeman of the world either.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1489.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1495.1", "colnum": "1495", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is your job.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ake account of training and other problems which a small number of men import. I do not see that selective service is the answer. But saying that does not solve the problem. We are still left with too few men. There is only one thing to do, and that is to look at the map in the right hon. Gentleman's White Paper and find some places from which we can take some men. Unless we do that, we are stuck.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1495.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5", "colnum": "1506", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"From whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "preceding_text": "nt balance between nuclear and conventional weapons. Its main purpose is as a shield force. I have no doubt that other hon. Members have done as I have done. I have made it my job to see enough of General Norstad to understand clearly his responsibilities, his policies and how he would react in any situation. He cannot authorise the use of nuclear weapons without first getting political clearance.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5", "colnum": "1506", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"From the 15 countries?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "preceding_text": "t that other hon. Members have done as I have done. I have made it my job to see enough of General Norstad to understand clearly his responsibilities, his policies and how he would react in any situation. He cannot authorise the use of nuclear weapons without first getting political clearance. [HON. MEMBERS: \"From whom?\"] From the N.A.T.O. Council, from the various members of the N.A.T.O. Council.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5", "colnum": "1506", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about manpower?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "preceding_text": "ury of missiles deployed against us in Europe. We must have a balance on our side. Therefore, if we destroy the nuclear balance of N.A.T.O., as the hon. Member for Coventry, East (Mr. Crossman) would wish us to do, we will have done the one action which makes the whole of Europe vulnerable to defeat, because we cannot match the Russian and satellite armies in men alone. The equipment of B.A.O.R. —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5", "colnum": "1506", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "preceding_text": "e White Paper states. I turn now to the problem which has run through the speeches of many hon. Members. My right hon. Friend the Member for Flint, West (Mr. Birch) put our dilemma more clearly and more acutely than I have heard for a long time. He was honest and acute enough to say that we had to face a balance between what was right in the economic war and what was right in the sense of defence.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1506.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1525.4", "colnum": "1525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "preceding_text": "e initiative—that they are so pleased about this debate. and I trust that they will take part in it. I did not realise that I should have support from so many hon. Members opposite when I tabled the Prayer. The Farming Express —I am sure that everyone concerned with agriculture, especially the Minister, will always be grateful for the interest which the Farming Express has aroused in this problem—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1525.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1528.1", "colnum": "1528", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "preceding_text": "I have a number of quotations with which I will not burden the House, but I hope that my hon. and learned Friend may have an opportunity of making that point. It was interesting to see the hon. and gallant Gentleman—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1528.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1532.3", "colnum": "1532", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"A commercial.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "preceding_text": "s the full milk. The fact remains that all Governments have accepted that skimmed milk should be clearly labelled \"skim\" or \"skimmed\". That always means that the fat has been removed. A vast amount of the milk now sold would be covered by this Regulation. Every day people are drinking more and more Horlick's, chocolate, coffee and milk shakes. Horlick's is at present about 95 per cent. whole milk—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1532.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1532.3", "colnum": "1532", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It's English.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "preceding_text": "n—about 95 per cent. of whole milk, arid I am quite sure that it would not be beyond the ingenuity of many people to alter the description \"milk shake\" by giving that beverage another name in advertisements. As a result, just because flavouring and colouring had been added, this filled milk could be used in such drinks. I am quite sure of the reason for the attitude of the National Farmers' Union—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1532.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1543.1", "colnum": "1543", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "ould there be placards to say that a substitute for sugar is used to sweeten drinks? [HON MEMBERS: \"Yes.\") It is perfectly fair to ensure by all means that we have that if a customer asks for a product he should be sure that he is getting it, but as soon as we try to ensure that he gets it even if he does not ask for it, we start creating all sorts of anomalies and get on to most dangerous ground.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1543.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1543.1", "colnum": "1543", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOOD AND DRUGS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "r a product he should be sure that he is getting it, but as soon as we try to ensure that he gets it even if he does not ask for it, we start creating all sorts of anomalies and get on to most dangerous ground. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"] I assure the House that all our experience suggests that the display of a placard in a catering establishment is not an effective way of protecting the consumer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1543.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-02-28", "file": "debates1961-02-28a.xml", "sha256": "7db51fef4e03ff9a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1552.3", "colnum": "1552", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RAILWAYS (HOUNSLOW EAST STATION)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "ul tribute to my hon. Friend the Joint Parliamentary Secretary, who, unfortunately, is in hospital. The Joint Parliamentary Secretary, my hon. Friend the hon. Member for Henley (Mr. Hay), has been diligent in carrying out his duties. He has had a shrewd assessment of the problems involved and I am grateful to him. He has been a great help to me, and I am sure that we all wish him well in hospital.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-02-28a.1552.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-01", "file": "debates1961-03-01a.xml", "sha256": "57f94ae4005b6029", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1583.6", "colnum": "1583", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "preceding_text": "tined to wait for satisfactory housing conditions in West Germany? Is he aware that a lot of them are living in one-room flats; that they, with their wives and children, have to live, eat and sleep in one room under shocking conditions, details of which I have sent to him? Is he aware that when they report their complaints to Members of Parliament they are being intimidated by the military police?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1583.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-01", "file": "debates1961-03-01a.xml", "sha256": "57f94ae4005b6029", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1592.0", "colnum": "1592", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. W. T. Aitkin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\" Is this a point of order? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. W. T. Aitkin", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. As the hon. Member for Cardiff, West (Mr. G. Thomas) knows, I have some knowledge of these matters by virtue of a personal interest in the company to which he has referred. I have no objection to his criticisms, if they are genuine, and I believe they are.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1592.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-01", "file": "debates1961-03-01a.xml", "sha256": "57f94ae4005b6029", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1592.0", "colnum": "1592", "heading": "BILL PRESENTED", "cue_speaker": "Mr. W. T. Aitkin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What is the point of order?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. W. T. Aitkin", "preceding_text": "e right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition raised very much the same sort of point that I wish to raise now. The hon. Member, in the course of this procedure, knowing perfectly well that you, Sir, do not wish hon. Members, in the process of asking leave under the Ten Minutes Rule, to be interrupted, has also used the occasion to make some very slanderous and completely inaccurate remarks.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1592.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-01", "file": "debates1961-03-01a.xml", "sha256": "57f94ae4005b6029", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1692.1", "colnum": "1692", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION BILL (By Order)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Atkins", "preceding_text": "In view of my right hon. Friend's remarks, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-01a.1692.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1755.6", "colnum": "1755", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Another mistake?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "ast and, certainly, he was not kept up all night, but I think that I ought to give the House the reasons why we did not proceed with that Bill. They were twofold. First, we overestimated the time which we thought the Instructions on the British Transport Commission Bill would take last night, for which we moved the suspension Motion. The second was that we discovered that the Financial Resolution—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1755.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1755.6", "colnum": "1755", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "e twofold. First, we overestimated the time which we thought the Instructions on the British Transport Commission Bill would take last night, for which we moved the suspension Motion. The second was that we discovered that the Financial Resolution—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Another mistake?\"]—was not wide enough to cope with Clause 3 (2) of the Bill. We shall, therefore, be laying a new Financial Resolution.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1755.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1790.0", "colnum": "1790", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. C. Ian Orr-Ewing", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. C. Ian Orr-Ewing", "preceding_text": "I think that the hon. and learned Gentleman previously rather held out the bogey of the Russian cruisers—28, I think he said—and asked whether we could possibly hold a candle to those. I would remind him that the decision to go ahead with the \"Tiger\" class—three cruisers—was not taken by this Government or the previous Government, but the Government of which he was a member.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1790.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1791.0", "colnum": "1791", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": "er post-war or post-war conversions. Why do we need this marginal superiority for the sort of task which we are visualising for the Navy, that is, for a cold war task? I say this because I believe that one can carry this switchover without going to prohibitive expense. The finest troops in the world today, I would say, are the Marines. I would say that because they really believe in their purpose.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1791.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1", "colnum": "1829", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "preceding_text": "g too badly up to now. On this appreciation of the British global naval situation we are left with major naval problems in only one continent—Europe—and one ocean, the North Atlantic including, of course, the North Sea and the English Channel and surrounding areas. But even in these limited areas the Navy is supported by N.A.T.O. ships and aircraft and the Royal Air Force. The 64,000-ton question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1", "colnum": "1829", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Kennedys.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "preceding_text": ".A.T.O. ships and aircraft and the Royal Air Force. The 64,000-ton question— [ Laughter. ] I mean, of course, the 64,000 dollar question—I am glad to see that hon. Members are paying attention—is what is the present justification for the vast aircraft carriers and their colossal expense and also of the smaller Commando carriers. Is it simply a question of keeping up with the Joneses—the Americans?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1", "colnum": "1829", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "preceding_text": "ando carriers or our other air and land forces to attack natives again in their own countries? If so, they have another think coming. This country will not stand for that sort of nonsense again. It is not our business to interfere in everybody else's business, whether it concerns us or not. The old Victorian idea of giving them a whiff of grapeshot has gone for all time. Having surveyed the world—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1829.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1836.5", "colnum": "1836", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Pursey", "preceding_text": " the large aircraft carriers or the nuclear submarines—not both. The carriers should be the first to go. What would be the result? The present surface ship fleet of cruisers, frigates, destroyers, etc., would be ample, with our allies, for any possible conventional warlike operations in this second Elizabethan era and nuclear age. My final point—the Committee will be glad to hear the word \"final\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1836.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1852.4", "colnum": "1852", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "preceding_text": "that the Polaris will be such a useful weapon after all. Although I am on the back benches and my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Northampton is on the Front Bench. I think I speak for a very large volume of opinion in the Labour Party that does not share his enthusiasm or his ideas about Polaris and that I happen to speak, along with Mr. Cousins, for the great majority of the Labour Party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1852.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1877.1", "colnum": "1877", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Judith Hart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Judith Hart", "preceding_text": "olve the whole problem of the invulnerability and credibility of the Western deterrent and will provide the answer to many of the problems about which the military experts have been worried. It seems to me that Polaris offers no answers but provides a great many new problems. As we know, N.A.T.O. submarines have been found operating in Arctic waters and have caused provocation to the Soviet Union—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1877.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1880.5", "colnum": "1880", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": "I am saying that in present circumstances the difference is that everybody, or at least all people whose opinions are valued in this country, and that includes hon. Members opposite—recognise that the only way to defend the people of this country in a nuclear age is to prevent the outbreak of war, and if one is concerned to prevent the outbreak of war—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1880.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1881.1", "colnum": "1881", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": "lation. There have been examples in history of such wars and the research team quotes many of them. They quote various ways in which this might be likely to occur and they come to the conclusion that there is a considerable chance—though not yet a probability—of a nuclear war occurring within the next ten years as a result of a mistake. One of the ways in which this might occur, so it is believed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1881.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-02", "file": "debates1961-03-02a.xml", "sha256": "a6dae79059f7abef", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1884.1", "colnum": "1884", "heading": "NAVY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": "One of the ways in which it may occur—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-02a.1884.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-03", "file": "debates1961-03-03a.xml", "sha256": "ed5d99529bb3c826", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-03a.2022.1", "colnum": "2022", "heading": "UNITED NATIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mallalieu", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mallalieu", "preceding_text": "I feel sure that he will agree with me that the establishment of this force is merely just a minimum step in the direction of the creation of world institutions which can keep the peace.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-03a.2022.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.45.2", "colnum": "45", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "ys should be devoted to the remaining stages of the con- tributions Bill we can offer hon. Members on both sides of the House an opportunity to put their points and have them answered, and to put them at a time of day when adequate publicity can be given to what they say, if that proves to be desirable, and when the proceedings are conducted with due regard to the importance of the points they put", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.45.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.48.0", "colnum": "48", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": " the third point, that a timetable Motion is essential. This depends largely on the attitude of the Opposition and I would use these words: …This is, I understand, a contentious Measure.… The Opposition have declared, as is their right, that they will fight and oppose this Bill from the beginning to the end… We seek to get this Bill through. That is what it was introduced for.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.45.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.50.1", "colnum": "50", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "believe that the hon. Member meant it. I believe that the Opposition meant it. I do not question the sincerity of any of these observations. I do not call that into question. We must, however, acknowledge the actuality of the situation, as my predecessor from the other side of the House when Leader of the House himself once acknowledged. The Bill might be delayed, and it is vital for us to get it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.50.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.55.0", "colnum": "55", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "s for the National Health Service Bill, all that is provided is that it shall come into force seven days after it is passed. So there is certainly no technical requirement whatever about urgency. It is true, of course, that the Government have already brought into force the higher prescription charges—and, believe me, they will be hearing all about it from the public in the days and weeks to come.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.54.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.55.2", "colnum": "55", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "use have no objection. We are prepared to stay. I do not accept the argument that there is anything derogatory to the House of Commons in having all-night sittings. It is absolute nonsense to suggest it. On the contrary, it is a well-established tradition of the House that from time to time we have to sit late. As for our reputation in the country, I believe that this does far more good than harm.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.55.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.66.3", "colnum": "66", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. W. A. Wilkins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. W. A. Wilkins", "preceding_text": "Apart from any other consideration. I object to the timetable Motion on the ground that it is offensive to those of us who have been sitting on the Committee dealing with the National Health Service Bill. According to the proceedings of that Committee, which are available to any hon. Member to peruse, there has been no obstruction of any kind.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.66.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.77.5", "colnum": "77", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Who threw the penny on the Table?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "No, I will not give way. No doubt, hon. Members who wish to speak will seek to catch your eye later in the debate, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I honestly believe that hon. Members opposite lack one thing above all others in these matters, and that is a sense of proportion. They are making themselves absolutely ridiculous, and I am anxious that they should not make Parliament ridiculous at the same time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.77.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.78.5", "colnum": "78", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "I am on a point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.78.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.81.0", "colnum": "81", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I did not say that. Whatever is said about political parties, no one can accuse me lightly of not telling the truth. While you were speaking, I said that it is the dignity of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.81.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.81.0", "colnum": "81", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I did not say that. Whatever is said about political parties, no one can accuse me lightly of not telling the truth. While you were speaking, I said that it is the dignity of the House. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] We must take it that, in referring to an hon. Member, we mean that he is an honourable one. We do not impute dishonour to a Member lightly.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.81.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.90.5", "colnum": "90", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir S. Summers", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir S. Summers", "preceding_text": "It is precisely because the hon. Gentleman has not the courtesy or patience to wait until I have finished making my point that he must needs interrupt. When I have finished making my point I shall expect him to have the intelligence to follow why I am making this \"recital\". I cannot expect the hon. Member to follow my argument when I have only got half way through it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.90.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0", "colnum": "101", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": "ority within minorities and minorities within the majority ought to have rights, but the essence and the principle of the thing upon which all procedure depends—nowadays we have no constitution except our procedure; that is all the protection anybody has—is that in the end the majority gets its way, and the majority must decide when the end comes. I do not want to exacerbate the debate, very much—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0", "colnum": "101", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": "think was out of order—about our motives and how we are all aristocrats and look down our noses. If hon. Members opposite were as obscure as I am and sat far enough back, they would have to look down their noses. It is the only way one can see anyone. The Leader of the Opposition's remarks about Tories wanting to go to bed so that they can earn money in the morning were pretty nasty, rather dirty.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0", "colnum": "101", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Then what are you grumbling about?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": "ure as I am and sat far enough back, they would have to look down their noses. It is the only way one can see anyone. The Leader of the Opposition's remarks about Tories wanting to go to bed so that they can earn money in the morning were pretty nasty, rather dirty. [ Interruption. ] Of course they want to earn money in the morning. Who does not want properly to earn money in the morning? Why not?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0", "colnum": "101", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": " always should be so—as the petrol in the engine of Leftish progress and, as the right hon. Member for South Shields said, should feel pretty moved about the revolution that was taking place. I think that that is a help in understanding the argument. Why is it that to people like me who detest Guillotines—and I genuinely detest them—this Guillotine seems rather more bearable than most Guillotines—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.101.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.107.3", "colnum": "107", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman referred to anyone reading HANSARD. When he reads HANSARD tomorrow he will judge his own selectivity. When he was speaking of what happened on the famous night which gave rise to all the uproar, he was, of course reading it; we were there and we lived in those moments of exasperation and outrage, when we had the Patronage Secretary coming to the Box—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.107.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.108.0", "colnum": "108", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the Press.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "happened in those days. I remember the indictment in July, 1949. The right hon. Gentleman the Member for Woodford (Sir W. Churchill) went down to Wolverhampton to make a speech about Weary Willies and Tired Tims, and every effort taken by the Labour Government from 1945 to 1951 to set the country on its feet and to allow the £ to look the dollar in the face was sneered at by hon. Members opposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.108.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.128.1", "colnum": "128", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Most of them.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "s supported by my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition. I opposed that Motion. I pointed out that it was still only four o'clock and that we had all night before us. True, the corridors and Committee Rooms were littered with the bodies of Tory deadbeats, but that only enabled us to get on faster. They were not interfering and they turned up at the right time when the Division bells rang—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.128.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.146.1", "colnum": "146", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the Central Office.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "preceding_text": "of the House, who referred, as we all expected, to the previous occasions when the Guillotine was imposed. I suppose that the Home Office, or the Leader of the House, or whoever it may be, must have a file for occasions like this. Whenever a Guillotine Motion is proposed, they get out the old file and the old list of quotations, and they are trundled along here and read by the Leader of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.146.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.154.1", "colnum": "154", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Or by the Prime Minister.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member should well understand that the Leader of the House has special obligations to the House as a whole, obligations which are not necessarily shared by the Leader of the Opposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.154.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.159.1", "colnum": "159", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "s all part of the game—that everybody has introduced Guillotine Motions in their time, that everybody opposes it in Opposition but supports it in Government. This is an argument which my hon. Friend the Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman) dealt with very well in a speech which I was sorry so few Members were present to hear, and I hope that the Leader of the House will read it tomorrow.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.159.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.164.1", "colnum": "164", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir S. Summers", "preceding_text": "The figures to which the right hon. Gentleman has referred proved that if the time taken up on this subject had not been mis-spent on points of order and other irrelevant matters we should not be debating this Motion now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.164.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.164.2", "colnum": "164", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "as happened to our party in taking the action that we have done. It is a question of the effect on the public outside. When there is drama in this place and when politics are exciting, the conditions for adult political controversy exist. It is in those conditions that the public becomes interested and that we have adult discussion and create exactly the situation which the Left in politics needs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.164.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.1", "colnum": "165", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Geoffrey Hirst", "preceding_text": "Mr. Geoffrey Hirst (Shipley) rose ——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.3", "colnum": "165", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dudley Williams", "preceding_text": "Mr. Dudley Williams rose ——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6", "colnum": "165", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " philosophy. It is a situation in which Ministers can behave as the Leader of the House does, as was mentioned during the debate—not even bothering to attend the Committees in which the Government's major Bills are being dealt with. A great deal of contempt is being shown for the House of Commons on the Treasury Bench, and it is being shown by nobody quite as much as by the Prime Minister himself.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6", "colnum": "165", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " being forced through. We heard from the hon. Member for the Isle of Ely (Sir H. Legge-Bourke), reflected later on by another hon. Member, the most blatant and open evidence of the difference between us on the merits of what is being forced through. The hon. Member for the Isle of Ely said, referring to these Bills, that they have nothing like the importance of a Measure nationalising an industry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6", "colnum": "165", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Party?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "d Health Service charges—all hurt folk who cannot afford to be hurt, or who can afford much less than others to be hurt. It is for those reasons that we seek to claim our Parliamentary rights—rights that go much further back in the history of the nation and of this Chamber than hon. Members opposite ever seem to have thought about. We claim these ancient and traditional party—Parliamentary rights—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.165.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5", "colnum": "167", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "tion is not before the House for the reason given initially in his opening speech by the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition, merely because the Opposition say that they intend to oppose the Bill. It is be-for the House because the right hon. Gentleman and the whole party behind him have made it perfectly clear that they intend, to use his words again, to fight the Bill line by line.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5", "colnum": "167", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": "f I may say so, I had much sympathy, made it clear that this decision on the part of the Opposition relates not only to a determination to oppose and to defer an individual Measure but it must, to be effective, be carried out by opposing and deferring other elements of the Government's programme. He said, \"We will fight the whole range of Government legislation in order to defeat these proposals\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5", "colnum": "167", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Health (Mr. J. Enoch Powell)", "preceding_text": " think, have characterised the point of view of the party opposite, when he said that he would like to try to ensure that the Bill would get no further. He said: … We are performing a public duty by\"— and this is what they are doing— trying to ensure that the Bill shall be delayed for the maximum period of time which it is constitutionally possible for us to delay it\". That is what he said.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.167.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.172.4", "colnum": "172", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "ortion and recognise what it is, and what it is not, that the two Measures to which this Motion relates are trying to do. I will take the case of the Leader of the Opposition. Of course, the Leader of the Opposition in this respect is a man with a guilt complex. He said, in his defence of the circumstances of 1951, that in those days what he had proposed was a small charge on teeth and spectacles.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.172.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.174.1", "colnum": "174", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "de it a separate element in the stamp. The Opposition at that time did not think that more than five hours was necessary for discussing a longer Bill for that purpose in Committee. They now say that the maintenance of the National Health Service contribution at the same proportion in the financing of the National Health Service as it held in 1958, and as it was intended by them originally to hold—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.174.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.174.3", "colnum": "174", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "position have made a serious tactical error. They believed that by forcing the Government to impose a Guillotine upon proceedings on these two Bills, they would draw attention to their arguments and that by all night Sittings, publicity would be given to the Measures to which they objected. It was a complete miscalculation. What this tactic has drawn attention to is the weakness of their own case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.174.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1", "colnum": "176", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "In the minute that we have left, may I ask the Minister whether he really means—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1", "colnum": "176", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Divide.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "In the minute that we have left, may I ask the Minister whether he really means—[ Interruption. ]—that the purpose of the Guillotine is to save us from ourselves? If he really meant the argument that he was using—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1", "colnum": "176", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Divide.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "In the minute that we have left, may I ask the Minister whether he really means—[ Interruption. ]—that the purpose of the Guillotine is to save us from ourselves? If he really meant the argument that he was using—[HON. MEMBERS: Divide.\"]—he gave the complete case for not proceeding with the Guillotine. The Minister has produced no case for the Guillotine.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1", "colnum": "176", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "e Guillotine is to save us from ourselves? If he really meant the argument that he was using—[HON. MEMBERS: Divide.\"]—he gave the complete case for not proceeding with the Guillotine. The Minister has produced no case for the Guillotine. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Divide.\"] On the contrary, he has produced every reason why we should have been allowed to debate the Bill. I wish to ask the Minister, before he—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.4", "colnum": "176", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL AND NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL (ALLOCATION OF TIME)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "The Question is——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.176.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.200.5", "colnum": "200", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"We never had it so good.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "I shall refer to that. The average cost of a prescription then was only 3s. ld. By 1954 it had risen to 4s. 2½c1. By 1959, it was 6s. 101d.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.200.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.200.5", "colnum": "200", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "I shall refer to that. The average cost of a prescription then was only 3s. ld. By 1954 it had risen to 4s. 2½c1. By 1959, it was 6s. 101d. [An HON. MEMBER: \"We never had it so good.\"] One must recognise that this increase has arisen not only because of higher wages being paid in the pharmaceutical industry—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.200.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.201.1", "colnum": "201", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "ften treated at home over only one or two weeks. Yet, while one recognises all this, one cannot but feel worried about the cost of the pharmaceutical services spreading and taking an increasing part of the cost, and I have not heard hon. Members opposite tell us what part of the National Health Service they would cut in order to allow of this expansion of the pharmaceutical services to take place.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.201.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.202.2", "colnum": "202", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "That was never introduced.", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "—\"to make a charge of not more than ls. for each prescription under the National Health Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.202.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.202.3", "colnum": "202", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "sts, of which there is evidence which has for some time troubled my right hon. Friends the Minister of Health and the Secretary of State for Scotland. The resultant saving will contribute about £10 million, although this is not the primary purpose of the charge.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 24th October, 1949; Vol. 468, c. 1019.] What is interesting when one looks at that debate which initiated the charges—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.202.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.203.2", "colnum": "203", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "preceding_text": "I make no complaint that the hon. Member has had to rely on a maiden speech, which is traditionally not interrupted and not referred to in later debates—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.203.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.206.1", "colnum": "206", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. Woodburn", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Noble?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. Woodburn", "preceding_text": "We have just listened to one of the most shameful speeches I have ever heard in the House. The noble Lord—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.206.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.211.2", "colnum": "211", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Under-Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. T. G. D. Galbraith)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Under-Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. T. G. D. Galbraith)", "preceding_text": "ich sought to annul the Regulations. Tonight we have before us Regulations which make similar increases in the charges made to hospital out-patients who receive drugs at the out-patient department of the hospital. These are a very small proportion of the total number of prescriptions dispensed in the country. I had been expecting this evening to hear arguments from hon. Members opposite as to why—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.211.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.211.4", "colnum": "211", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "The reference I thought I heard was not directed to any single hon. Member but to \"hon. Members opposite\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.211.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.212.0", "colnum": "212", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE (CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "The reference I thought I heard was not directed to any single hon. Member but to \"hon. Members opposite\" [ Interruption. ] I am quite willing to accept correction, but I thought it was directed to hon. Members generally in the Scottish Grand Committee.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.211.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.219.3", "colnum": "219", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mabon", "preceding_text": ". In view of this, and the fact that the hon. Member for Hertford (Lord Balniel) occupied some twenty-five minutes of the time avail- able, is it possible, Mr. Speaker, that the Standing Order might be recon- sidered by, say, some Committee of this House, or that there might be a debate on a Motion at the initiative of some hon. Member to say \"That the hon. Member do sit down and stop speaking \"?—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.219.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-06", "file": "debates1961-03-06a.xml", "sha256": "eb7b9d0f0387ad06", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.222.1", "colnum": "222", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "hon. or right hon. Member in such circumstances of obviously restricted time were to take too large a bite out of the cherry. No further than that do I think it right for me to go. With regard to the suggestion that we should have, as has another place, a Motion that an hon. Member should be no longer heard, I think it would not be improper to say from the Chair that one has entertained that idea.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-06a.222.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.228.4", "colnum": "228", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pentland", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"That is not a point of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pentland", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. The hon. Gentleman is not strictly correct—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.228.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.241.1", "colnum": "241", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Popplewell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Popplewell", "preceding_text": "The Minister puts it very mildly when he says that the Local Employment Act has not been successful in the North-East. Will he now apologise to the representatives from Durham whom he met a short time ago and told that there were 14,500 jobs in the pipeline, since his Answers today indicate that there are fewer than 7,000? That was a deliberate misstatement—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.241.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.256.8", "colnum": "256", "heading": "HYDRO-ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT, SCOTLAND (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shocking.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "pointment of this Committee will not preclude the simultaneous consideration of the specific objections which have been lodged regarding the Glen Nevis scheme and I am considering whether a public inquiry into these objections should be held at an early date. No final decision to proceed with the Nevis scheme would be made until the Departmental Committee's report had been received and considered.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.256.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.258.2", "colnum": "258", "heading": "HYDRO-ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT, SCOTLAND (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "While congratulating my right hon. Friend most warmly—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.258.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.258.2", "colnum": "258", "heading": "HYDRO-ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT, SCOTLAND (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ng my right hon. Friend most warmly—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—on behalf of my hon. Friends and myself, who have pressed him strongly in the matter in the last two years, may I ask him whether he will say, first, whether the report of the Committee of inquiry will be printed for the consideration of the House: secondly, whether any volunteer willing to give evidence to the Committee will be acceptable—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.258.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.260.10", "colnum": "260", "heading": "HYDRO-ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT, SCOTLAND (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "r for Motherwell (Mr. Lawson) has just said, \"Is it not true?\" May I invite you, Mr. Speaker, to call on both the hon. Member for Dundee, East and the hon. Member for Motherwell to withdraw unreservedly these imputations, on account of the fact that I have no pecuniary interest, direct or indirect, in the North of Scotland Hydro-Electricity Board, or in any other branch of the electrical industry?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.260.9"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.265.2", "colnum": "265", "heading": "HYDRO-ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT, SCOTLAND (DEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Let the hon. Member for Kidderminster deny that.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. M. Thomson", "preceding_text": "for rising again, but, since I was involved, can I clarify my position? I withdrew, as you requested, any imputation. I intended no imputation on the hon. Member for Kidderminster in the sense of implying that he was a paid propagandist in this House of an organisation. I was stating what I believe to be a fact—that he is paid to be a propagandist by this organisation by writing outside the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.265.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.314.1", "colnum": "314", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Did we get them?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "ee issue of canes, mugs and other articles. There were improvements to barracks, and more married quarters were to be provided. Age limits were raised. Men were permitted to sleep out of barracks, and the recruitment of married men was allowed. The Government, therefore, before the war set about the task of getting as many Regular recruits as possible. All the statements made today were made then.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.314.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.381.1", "colnum": "381", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "preceding_text": "Yes, I have seen it. I ask the hon. Member not to take notice merely of a glib phrase about the shortage of married quarters to be reduced\" by hiring more specially built blocks of flats from German contractors. That seems to me a cheap way of doing it. We are not spending money there. We are going to allow the German landlord to exploit the British Tommy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.381.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-07", "file": "debates1961-03-07a.xml", "sha256": "c5ddf2622b9059f2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.420.1", "colnum": "420", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Reynolds", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Reynolds", "preceding_text": " time ago, that one of the main factors governing the size of the forces as shown in paragraph ( f ) of the Defence White Paper for 1961 was the Government's calculation of the size of all-Regular forces that we can afford to maintain and provide with up-to-date equipment. There is nothing about the number we need but purely the number that we can afford to maintain. That is all that is mentioned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-07a.420.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-08", "file": "debates1961-03-08a.xml", "sha256": "550f2cbff97b1ed1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-08a.608.3", "colnum": "608", "heading": "AIR ESTIMATES, 1961–62", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "No, but the hon. Gentleman will no doubt recall that Ribbentrop came to the conclusion that this country would not fight. By 1937, Ribbentrop was repeating to Hitler that Britain had lost the spirit to stand up for her rights—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-08a.608.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.670.5", "colnum": "670", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\" Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "While agreeing with the Colonial Secretary that the appointment of men like Sir John Moffat is a great improvement on former appointments, may I ask him whether he does not feel that he has missed a great opportunity to prove to Sir Roy Welensky that he did not intend to submit to his blackmail—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.670.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.686.0", "colnum": "686", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "There is a good deal in what my hon. Friend says, but I would draw the attention of the House to the fact that this position in relation to Votes on Account has been reached—I will not say \"by agreement\", because the word \"agreement\" is at the moment out of favour—through a sort of general understanding in the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.686.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.694.2", "colnum": "694", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Whatever has become the recent practice, and however long it has been going on, will not the right hon. Gentleman reconsider it? Is it not a very bad practice? Yesterday, we spent the whole day providing the whole of the debate from this side.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.694.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.707.0", "colnum": "707", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is not.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "Admitting that the money is collected by the Ministry of Health or the Ministry of Pensions and National Insurance, or the Treasury, cannot the hon. Member see any distinction between money collected for a specified purpose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.707.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.713.4", "colnum": "713", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "Perhaps I should inform the Committee that I have placed a list of the Amendments selected in the \"No\" Lobby. I hope that will be for the convenience of Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.713.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.720.0", "colnum": "720", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Douglas Glover", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why\"?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Douglas Glover", "preceding_text": "ith his tongue in his cheek. We are not debating whether there should be a contribution at all but whether the full weight of that contribution should be borne by people between the ages of 18 and 21. If, therefore, the contribution is to bring in the same amount of money, the logic of the Amendment, if carried, is that the contribution for those of 21 years of age and upwards would have to go up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.720.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0", "colnum": "731", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not all of them.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "preceding_text": "st three-quarters of an hour we have listened to street-corner tub thumping of a fairly low order and political sophistry at its highest. For a few moments, we should try to address ourselves to the fundamentals behind this Measure and to the Amendment in particular. It seems to be agreed at last by hon. Members opposite that the age group from 18 to 21 is a rather affluent section of the society.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0", "colnum": "731", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "preceding_text": "s) admits, what hon. Members opposite have for days been seeking to persuade the House of Commons to do is to secure that those able to afford a contribution should be made to pay it, there is no argument which they can adduce in support of their Amendment, for the simple reason that report after report has been published to show that the teenage spending power is no less than £900 million a year—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0", "colnum": "731", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "preceding_text": "e the House of Commons to do is to secure that those able to afford a contribution should be made to pay it, there is no argument which they can adduce in support of their Amendment, for the simple reason that report after report has been published to show that the teenage spending power is no less than £900 million a year—[ Interruption. ] —which is a very large sum indeed. If one wants evidence—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.731.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.782.5", "colnum": "782", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "Thank you very much, Mr. Williams. I am glad of your help. It has pulled me up sharp and made me come nearer to the point. I thought that those earning under £9 per week should not be involved in payments of this character, which should be the responsibility of the Exchequer. I am glad that we have it right now. We are now on a good foundation and can proceed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.782.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.813.1", "colnum": "813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": "We are having a very interesting debate on this Amendment. Certainly the hon. Member for Cardiff, West (Mr. G. Thomas) has given us a very interesting speech, though the hon. Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Willis) made the most incomprehensible speech which I have heard for a very long time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.813.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.813.1", "colnum": "813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No, £9 per week.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Glover", "preceding_text": " that narrow group—and I believe there is a problem here—those earning between £8 and £10 or £11 a week, who have responsibilities, are not to be taken care of at all. I think that the Opposition have missed a very good chance of bringing before the Committee an Amendment which could have been very worth while. Let me go on to deal with the Amendment. The national average of wages is £15 per week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.813.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.818.1", "colnum": "818", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Poor administration.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": "n very much either. In the County of Lanark last year the infant mortality rate, which is generally reckoned to be a safe index of economic prosperity, was several points higher than the year before. During all the years in which the Tory Government have been in power the infant mortality rate in my county has dropped by very little indeed compared with the amount it dropped between 1945 and 1950.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.818.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.820.1", "colnum": "820", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": "o preserve the Welfare State which was built up by the Labour Party, in spite of opposition from the party opposite, in the years after the war but which at this stage is being attacked by hon. and right hon. Members opposite. In our efforts, we are faced with the desire of many of the philosophers, economists and back-room boys of the Tory Party to slash away the foundations of the Welfare State.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.820.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.823.1", "colnum": "823", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "re is a point above which any further increase would be unjustified, but it must be a matter of judgment rather than of principle exactly when that point has been reached, and in the Government's view, when we consider the general level of earnings today and even the earnings of the lower-paid workers, we do not feel that a total flat-rate levy of 10s. 7d. a week is unreasonable on earnings of £9.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.823.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.829.0", "colnum": "829", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "bution would be reduced. It was then 9s. 11d., as it is now. The Government promised that it would be reduced to 8s. 4d. From next April it will be 9s. 9d. and from July 10s. 7d. a week—all since the General Election in October, 1959. If the Government accepted our Amendment it would rub some of the tarnish off their political souls. Do Members opposite believe that their souls are shining bright?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.829.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.837.3", "colnum": "837", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "I do not propose to be diverted from my theme on this Amendment by these irrelevant outbursts from the benches opposite. Throughout the course of the day my hon. Friends have been here in numbers when the benches opposite have been absolutely empty.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.837.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.838.5", "colnum": "838", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member must wait and see. At the moment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.838.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-09", "file": "debates1961-03-09a.xml", "sha256": "d5129e107ac5c391", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.838.5", "colnum": "838", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "r must wait and see. At the moment—[ Interruption. ] Sir Gordon, what a veritable godsend the Guillotine is. Hon. Members opposite would not be conducting themselves in this way if they did not feel protected by the time table. The is a serious Amendment and I want the Committee to give serious attention to it, We want to reduce the contributions for all the categories in the Schedule, except one.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-09a.838.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-10", "file": "debates1961-03-10a.xml", "sha256": "b3eeffc58b5e4e81", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.879.1", "colnum": "879", "heading": "Orders of the Day — GAME LICENCES AND GUN LICENCES (MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS), ETC. BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "preceding_text": "No, I do not suggest that at all. Shooting would be controlled by gamekeepers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.879.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-10", "file": "debates1961-03-10a.xml", "sha256": "b3eeffc58b5e4e81", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.880.1", "colnum": "880", "heading": "Orders of the Day — GAME LICENCES AND GUN LICENCES (MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS), ETC. BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The hon. Gentleman started it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman is opening up a very wide subject.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.880.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-10", "file": "debates1961-03-10a.xml", "sha256": "b3eeffc58b5e4e81", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.880.1", "colnum": "880", "heading": "Orders of the Day — GAME LICENCES AND GUN LICENCES (MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS), ETC. BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mackie", "preceding_text": "ause of not having a day's shooting shoot cats, tame pigeons, and so on. If we were a democratic country we would have a system under which the shooting rights belonged to the State and shooting was controlled by State gamekeepers. I would have no objection to anyone coming over my land. I have been a tenant farmer and the landlord's shooting tenants have gone over the farm, foot-and-mouth or not.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.880.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-10", "file": "debates1961-03-10a.xml", "sha256": "b3eeffc58b5e4e81", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.940.9", "colnum": "940", "heading": "LIBRARIES (PUBLIC LENDING RIGHT) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Teeling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Teeling", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman is casting a slight aspersion on the non-attendance of various hon. Members who backed the Bill, but they all spoke on it before and, therefore, have no right to be present.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-10a.940.9"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.962.7", "colnum": "962", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "Full and free medical care are available at the moment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.962.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1020.0", "colnum": "1020", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO — Barry.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "preceding_text": " will be credited with that amount. If she went to work, she would have to pay, but whether she was at work or not and if she had only 10s. coming into the house without National Assistance she would have to pay. The Economic Secretary cannot get round that, no matter how much he tries. The Government Front Bench is in this difficulty. The hon. Member for Barrow, who always jumps into the breach —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1020.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1020.2", "colnum": "1020", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "s people who are in a special category because they are widows. If that proposition is argued in general terms, I have the greatest sympathy for it and, as I have said, I believe that the great majority of women voters would support it, too. We cannot do this by a side-wind. We cannot do it by an incidental Amendment. If we want to do it, we must make a radical reconstruction of the Welfare State.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1020.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1022.3", "colnum": "1022", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "That allows me to go on and develop a point which I want to make. When we talk about widows, just as when we talk about other groups who receive the benefits of the social services, we are talking about people at all income levels. There are rich widows, well-off widows, poor widows and almost destitute widows.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1022.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1023.3", "colnum": "1023", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "If I may reply in detail, I shall be happy to do so. I refuse to be bullyragged by this turnip ghost of the means test. We are told told by the Opposition that we cannot distinguish between the people who need help and those who do not unless we raise the ghost of the poor law. This is their constant cry. This is the kind of emotional blackmail in which the Opposition constantly deal.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1023.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1023.3", "colnum": "1023", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"In all sections?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "ot unless we raise the ghost of the poor law. This is their constant cry. This is the kind of emotional blackmail in which the Opposition constantly deal. [ Interruption .] I am sick and tired of this dishonest blackmail about the poor law. I insist that in our society we ought to be able to distinguish between the people who need help and the people who do not, without going back to the poor law.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1023.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1024.2", "colnum": "1024", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Regardless of income.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "king about are governed by National Insurance contributions devised under different conditions and for different objects, and they are an additional tax on the health of widows. There are many things challenged in the arrangements for our Welfare State. The Government have selected the contributors to the National Insurance Scheme as taxpayers in these contributions to the National Health Service—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1024.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1026.0", "colnum": "1026", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "I am not going to start on that one now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1026.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1056.0", "colnum": "1056", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They have lost all their courage.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "rgument before and we shall be returning to it. We have heard the hon. Gentleman's speech about four times, and no doubt we shall hear it again, though it is no more convincing now than it was the first time. It is dreadful that we cannot get one hon. Gentleman opposite to rise in support of his own Government. They make their speeches, if they make them at all, at the weekend, outside this House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1056.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1074.0", "colnum": "1074", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "reply and then for other members of the Committee to consider the case which has been stated and the reply. I should like to know the Government's attitude on the Amendment, especially with regard to self-employed boys and girls under 18 years of age.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1074.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1075.2", "colnum": "1075", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "I did not want to intervene in this debate, but I thought that when my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South (Mr. Ellis Smith) had appealed to the Financial Secretary to answer the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton) he would have responded.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1075.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1075.2", "colnum": "1075", "heading": "Orders of the Day — First Schedule.—(PROVISIONS TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN FIRST SCHEDULE TO NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Look at you own side.'", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "ded. [ Interruption .] I cannot hear even myself. It may well be that I should be delighted, as some hon. Members have said, but it is they who were waiting for dinner, not I. I can stay here, as I usually do, until any hour. It is a travesty of the proceedings of the House of Commons that so many hon. Members on the opposite side are concerned more about getting through into the Division Lobbies—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1075.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2", "colnum": "1115", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Second Schedule.—(AMENDMENTS OF NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": "urse of business. If they are properly briefed they will be paid fees, and ultimately, perhaps, after some days spent discussing the pros and cons of this difficult paragraph and after referring to authorities ancient and modern, the learned judge will come to some conclusion and he will then have to consider the question of costs. Shall he award costs to the plaintiff in the construction summons—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2", "colnum": "1115", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Second Schedule.—(AMENDMENTS OF NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": " fees, and ultimately, perhaps, after some days spent discussing the pros and cons of this difficult paragraph and after referring to authorities ancient and modern, the learned judge will come to some conclusion and he will then have to consider the question of costs. Shall he award costs to the plaintiff in the construction summons—[HON. MEMBERS \"Yes.\"]—or shall he award costs to the other side?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2", "colnum": "1115", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Second Schedule.—(AMENDMENTS OF NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": "ERS \"Yes.\"]—or shall he award costs to the other side? [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] It may be a private person who has had to initiate these proceedings—and costs may be given against him. If he is a poor person and is unable to pay the costs, he may be thrown into bankruptcy. Alternatively, the costs may be given against the local authority. In that case, the local authority may have to raise the rates.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1115.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-13", "file": "debates1961-03-13a.xml", "sha256": "3ca6c2928bea536f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1146.0", "colnum": "1146", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Second Schedule.—(AMENDMENTS OF NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, 1957.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I am glad that by sensible use of our time in the two days in Committee we have had occasion to discuss, with only one exception, all the Amendments to which hon. Members opposite attached importance.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-13a.1143.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1161.11", "colnum": "1161", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Emery", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"His P.P.S.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Emery", "preceding_text": "Does my hon. Friend realise what real pleasure it gives me, having known him for sixteen years, to be the person to congratulate him on his first appearance on the Government Front Bench at Question Time, and, in fact, at the Dispatch Box? I am certain that hon. Members on both sides of the House will welcome his appointment to the Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1161.11"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1166.7", "colnum": "1166", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "preceding_text": "Is the Parliamentary Secretary aware that the Atomic Energy Authority is a remarkable example of public enterprise?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1166.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1180.0", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "preceding_text": " this morning just completed our sittings in Standing Committee on the Rating and Valuation Bill. It is widely believed throughout the country that once the new valuation lists appear in 1963, as rateable values go up, control will be lifted automatically and that even the houses with the limits of £30 in the provinces and £40 in London and which receive the higher rating under the new valuations—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1180.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1180.5", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that I have already sent him particulars—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1180.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1186.1", "colnum": "1186", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LOCAL GOVERNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "Is my hon. Friend aware that in Great Yarmouth, and possibly in other seaside towns, the use of loudspeakers for advertising during the short summer season has become part and parcel of the life of the town)?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1186.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1212.0", "colnum": "1212", "heading": "STATUTORY ORDER No. 95A (STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS, &c. (PROCEDURE))", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": "r to this. The Government considered this and decided that Standing Order No. 95A was come to as an agreement after the Select Committee of 1954, some years ago, and by agreement between the two sides of the House. That is the way in which our Standing Orders are made. We say frankly that the unilateral attempt—if I may use such a controversial phrase—to alter the Standing Order by the Opposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1212.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1216.1", "colnum": "1216", "heading": "STATUTORY ORDER No. 95A (STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS, &c. (PROCEDURE))", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Waste time?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. May I try to tidy up the matter, because we must not waste too much time about this, although its importance is great.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1216.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1318.1", "colnum": "1318", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Women\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "aper and better, and will be within our obligations to N.A.T.O. and will not harm our alliance. We have the right under the N.A.T.O. Treaty, for balance of payments reasons, to move part of our forces here. Nowadays, under the changed conditions, that could be done without any military or political harm to N.A.T.O. Lastly, under Vote 1, I have been looking at rates of pay to men and lady officers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1318.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1338.3", "colnum": "1338", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "cue_text": "AN. HON. MEMBER: \"There were hospitals then.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "preceding_text": "I have not got the figures and I doubt whether anyone has, because there was then no such service. I do not know on what basis hon. Members opposite when they were in power in 1948 made their decision to charge 3s. and 6s. respectively, because there was then no National Health Service on which to base an average cost. I have the figures for the period which we are discussing and I am sure—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1338.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1343.3", "colnum": "1343", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "ised in this way, Mr. Speaker. I find it a monstrous doctrine that, when the Opposition say this or that, the hon. Lady can be silent on the points with which she agrees and give her views only on the points where she disagrees. The Opposition are not briefed as the Government are. We have to do our homework. In fact, of course, we may well be better briefed because we are briefed from experience.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1343.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1346.1", "colnum": "1346", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. A. Burden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. A. Burden", "preceding_text": " to this debate, and the more I have listened the more it has seemed to me that hon. Members opposite are getting into very deep water. The hon. Gentleman the Member for Edmonton (Mr. Albu) said that we must accept either that one is very wealthy and can afford to pay for the lot or very poor and can pay nothing at all. Hon. Gentlemen opposite are introducing differentials into the Health Service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1346.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1348.2", "colnum": "1348", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "preceding_text": "cise figures which the hon. Lady gave us, and I hope that I am not misquoting her. She took as a base year 1951 and gave a figure of £16 19s. 6d. per week as the average cost of an amenity bed in the hospitals from which the figures had been taken. She next quoted a figure of £25 16s. 7d. for 195–60. But I cannot think why she should have gone on to make a forecast of £29 for 196–61.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1348.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1350.4", "colnum": "1350", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Price", "preceding_text": "I accept your rebuke, Mr. Speaker, for what it is wort—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1350.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-14", "file": "debates1961-03-14a.xml", "sha256": "c0f098ac15e12dd1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1352.1", "colnum": "1352", "heading": "ARMY ESTIMATES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. W. A. Wilkins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They are\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. W. A. Wilkins", "preceding_text": "ders. Thus, it seems that the Conservatives are indiscriminate in the attacks they are now making upon our people. It does not matter whether they are ordinary working folk or middle class; they will all have to suffer through the actions of the Government in imposing the increased charges. I am one who believes that amenity beds should be made available, even free of charge, to all who need them—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-14a.1352.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1373.0", "colnum": "1373", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "With the greatest respect, I do not think that I have ever heard such twaddle. I think that I must be allowed to defend the people whom the hon. Member is attacking and, if I may say so, what the hon. Gentleman has said is a lousy imputation on—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1373.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1378.5", "colnum": "1378", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "The Question refers to Commonwealth countries, so I do not think that I can deal with the West Indies.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1378.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "n accordance with the new arrangements, Sir Brian Robertson will, with my agreement, retire from the chairmanship of the Commission with effect from 1st June, 1961. The House will, I know, share to the full the Government's warm gratitude to Sir Brian for his outstanding services as Chairman of the Commission since 1953 and for the devotion with which he has carried out his heavy responsibilities.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": " Sir Brian for his outstanding services as Chairman of the Commission since 1953 and for the devotion with which he has carried out his heavy responsibilities. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] Having regard to the terms of the appointment, the Government intend to take powers in the forthcoming legislation to enable the Commission to pay him, in addition to his superannuation award, a sum of £12,500.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9", "colnum": "1400", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "mber of the British Transport Commission. On Sir Brian Robertson's retirement, Dr. Beeching will become a full-time member of the Commission and will also assume the chairmanship until, when the reorganisation comes into effect, he can become the first Chairman of the British Railways Board. I take this opportunity of thanking Imperial Chemical Industries for releasing Dr. Beeching for five years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1402.0", "colnum": "1402", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "eer with the Imperial Chemical Industries for a period of five years to take up this especially challenging task. It would not be right to expect him, in addition, to accept a substantial financial sacrifice, and I have decided, with the agreement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that Dr. Beeching shall be paid, from 1st June next, his present remuneration, with I.C.I., which is £24,000 a year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1400.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1402.1", "colnum": "1402", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "preceding_text": "The Minister is, no doubt, not surprised that his extraordinary announcement has been received with amazement and, indeed, shock—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1402.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1402.1", "colnum": "1402", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "preceding_text": "The Minister is, no doubt, not surprised that his extraordinary announcement has been received with amazement and, indeed, shock—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"]—by hon. Members on both sides of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1402.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1405.2", "colnum": "1405", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "Mr. Marples rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1405.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1405.3", "colnum": "1405", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "I am sorry that the hon. Member for Southwark (Mr. Gunter) should have made that show of indignation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1405.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1412.0", "colnum": "1412", "heading": "BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (REORGANISATION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "Then may I put another point of order, Sir?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1412.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1427.2", "colnum": "1427", "heading": "POLITICAL PARTIES (PUBLICATION OF ACCOUNTS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Nonsense.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "preceding_text": "es and, on the other, omitted any reference to that kind of expenditure? Of course it would not, and, because it would not, and because of the other points which I have made about the definition of a political party, I am driven to the conclusion that if we want meaningful party accounts we have to accept an encroachment upon political liberty in this country which none of us is willing to accept.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1427.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1449.1", "colnum": "1449", "heading": "CIVIL ESTIMATES AND ESTIMATES FOR REVENUE DEPARTMENTS, SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES, 1960-61; ARMY ESTIMATES, 1961–62, AND ARMY SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE, 1960–61; ROYAL ORDNANCE FACTORIES ESTIMATE, 1961–62; WAR OFFICE PURCHASING (REPAYMENT) SERVICES ESTIMATE, 1961–62; AIR ESTIMATES, 1961–62, AND AIR SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE, 1960-61; CIVIL ESTIMATES (EXCESS), 1959–60; ARMY (ROYAL ORDNANCE FACTORIES) ESTIMATE (EXCESS), 1959–60", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": " right people were invited to these functions. Whom do I mean by the \"right people\"? We talk about this being a democratic country and we heard a great deal earlier this afternoon about this being a democratic assembly. I want people who really matter to be invited to these functions. For example, how is it that so few trade union people are invited? What is wrong with them? Are they untouchables?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1449.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1455.2", "colnum": "1455", "heading": "CIVIL ESTIMATES AND ESTIMATES FOR REVENUE DEPARTMENTS, SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES, 1960-61; ARMY ESTIMATES, 1961–62, AND ARMY SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE, 1960–61; ROYAL ORDNANCE FACTORIES ESTIMATE, 1961–62; WAR OFFICE PURCHASING (REPAYMENT) SERVICES ESTIMATE, 1961–62; AIR ESTIMATES, 1961–62, AND AIR SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATE, 1960-61; CIVIL ESTIMATES (EXCESS), 1959–60; ARMY (ROYAL ORDNANCE FACTORIES) ESTIMATE (EXCESS), 1959–60", "cue_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What if it is a Moslem country?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "preceding_text": "spitality. The point was that I was advised that I should not take my wife with me even if I paid her travelling expenses because it would create the liability that if a Minister in France was invited back here our Government would have to ask his wife as well. Could anything be more ridiculous than that? What we are trying to do in Government hospitality is to improve relations between countries.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1455.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1494.1", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "CLASS II", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Tom Driberg", "cue_text": "An Hon. MEMBER \"Rubbish.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Tom Driberg", "preceding_text": "ul non-political work, as technicians and professional men—for some of those who went away last summer are now back again. I refer to the ruthless and avaricious Union Minière, whose stooge Tshombe is; and still more to the hundreds of Belgian officers and senior N.C.O.s who are running his piratical armed forces for him and training his mercenaries in the use of arms supplied from Belgium—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1494.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1578.1", "colnum": "1578", "heading": "CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacLeod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacLeod", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of Order, Mr. Speaker. Accusation has been made that my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has not given the House a speech on the Second Reading of this Bill. But he has already, upstairs in the Scottish Grand Committee, made two or three speeches—certainly two—on the Second Reading of the Bill—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1578.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1580.0", "colnum": "1580", "heading": "CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "For sport?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacMillan", "preceding_text": "House have done. This is where the Crofters Commission comes up against a difficulty. As soon as it looks around for any suitable land on which to carry out land settlement, what does it find? It finds that all the land is booked up already. It knows that the Duchess of Westminster has 70,000 acres of land, much of which is very desirable for land settlement but is not available to the Commission.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1579.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1596.0", "colnum": "1596", "heading": "CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacMillan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacMillan", "preceding_text": "m completely for the contents of this Bill or for these proposals. I know that he was almost bludgeoned into it by the Commission and by nobody else at all. There was no insistence for this Bill in the right hon. Gentleman's Department or among Ministers, Members of Parliament, local authorities or anybody else. It came from only one place. That is why, in some respects, it may be such a bad Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1596.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1646.2", "colnum": "1646", "heading": "CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay) rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1646.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-15", "file": "debates1961-03-15a.xml", "sha256": "4c10dc066c946581", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1663.3", "colnum": "1663", "heading": "CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "Yes. The crofters are being moved, and there will be a tendency for big business to take over those areas for the hotel and tourist industry. It may be said that that is a good thing. So it is, but the point is that this situation is being compulsorily pushed on to these people who are being given no chance of developing. In the Jack Committee Report on Rural Bus Services—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-15a.1663.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1723.1", "colnum": "1723", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — KENYA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "preceding_text": "The Colonial Secretary will know that we wish to be fair to him on this question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1723.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1749.4", "colnum": "1749", "heading": "UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "I fully agree with what you say, Mr. Speaker, but I think that you would agree that it is usual on such occasions to allow a few preliminary observations before one puts the questions to the Prime Minister.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1749.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1762.1", "colnum": "1762", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Reverting once again to the case of Timothy John Evans—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1762.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1795.0", "colnum": "1795", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": " the hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends should not have divided the House on a number of occasions. I am simply suggesting that to have taken out of two days about 25 per cent. of the debating time by going in and out of the Lobbies shows the sense of great irresponsibility which has activated the Labour Party throughout the debates on these Measures since they were first introduced in the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1795.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1861.2", "colnum": "1861", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ledger", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ledger", "preceding_text": "It is amazing that the hon. Member should talk about broadening the scope of the debate and having further opportunities for discussing other aspects. Is he aware that we have debated the Bill for nearly fifty-four hours. during which time there have been periods of eight hours of debate in which no Government supporter has bothered to attend?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1861.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1878.1", "colnum": "1878", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "on when he fell in with Tories who stripped him, beat him and went off leaving him half dead. It so happened that one, Enoch, was going down by the same road. But when he saw him he went past on the other side. So, too, a Selwyn came to the place, and when he saw him went past on the other side on his way to Suez. But a Socialist who was making the journey came upon him and when he saw him he was—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1878.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1879.1", "colnum": "1879", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Ross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Ross", "preceding_text": "Slowly, but inexorably, the tumbrils are rolling towards the Guillotine. What has been very interesting about this journey is that there have been few bystanders or witnesses, particularly on the other side of the street.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1879.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1886.1", "colnum": "1886", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "preceding_text": "here would be an increase of £200 million through the introduction of the graduated scheme, and an increase of £50 million through the increase in the National Health Service contributions; but, of course, the hon. Gentleman did not mention that the 1959 Act reduced the flat rate contribution by about £100 million, so the total increase this year is not £400 million but approximately £300 million.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1886.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-16", "file": "debates1961-03-16a.xml", "sha256": "9b2de32e8516bdd2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1894.1", "colnum": "1894", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE CONTRIBUTIONS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "more recent characters, would all be paying 10d. Let us be fair about this because I think it is a point which hon. Members opposite often fail to take. Admittedly, the lower-paid worker will also be paying 10d., but it is worth recalling when we are considering advantages and disadvantages of the flat-rate contribution that there is no increase for a man according to the number of his dependants.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-16a.1894.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.7.6", "colnum": "7", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "preceding_text": "In view of the unsatisfactory nature of that reply——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.7.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.7.8", "colnum": "7", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir B. Craddock", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member has done it now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.7.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.73.1", "colnum": "73", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Page", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Page", "preceding_text": "households. It is a plan on the basis of maintaining the present proportion between owner-occupied houses, houses privately let and houses let by local authorities, with special attention to the need to encourage the private developer of houses to let. I am sure that it is essential that we should speed the provision of homes for the people and that we ought not to be complacent about the figures.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.73.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.84.0", "colnum": "84", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The other way round.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "preceding_text": "ely interested to read the message which President Kennedy sent on 9th March to Congress on housing in the United States of America. He gave some significant figures of population increases. I always think that when we consider problems in this country we are well advised to look across to the United States, because very often what the United States does one day we do ourselves shortly afterwards.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.84.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.90.1", "colnum": "90", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There should be a lot less.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "preceding_text": "nt and the extra high cost of land. To turn to a related subject, I was a guest of the National Caravan Council at its convention at Scarborough last Friday. The caravan industry in Britain is distinctly worried at the present time. It is not worried because it cannot produce caravans or sell caravans but because there is not sufficient land being allocated for caravan sites in Britain at present.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.90.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.92.3", "colnum": "92", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He used to be.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman—I think he is my hon. Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.92.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.132.4", "colnum": "132", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "The list is only to indicate to the country the widespread nature of the long slum clearance task.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.132.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.1", "colnum": "145", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about the Government benches now?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "preceding_text": "Once again the party who failed in their housing policy have been seeking to criticise the Government who have succeeded. I welcome this debate. Housing is a basic human need. In the first four or five hours of this debate there should have been a much larger attendance than we had although that small attendance on the benches opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.1", "colnum": "145", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "preceding_text": "a much larger attendance than we had although that small attendance on the benches opposite—[HON. MEMBERS: \"What about the Government benches now?\"]—shows that dissatisfaction with the Government's housing policy is not half so widespread as hon. Members opposite pretend it is. The hon. Member for Widnes (Mr. McColl) said that I regarded the housing situation with satisfaction. I certainly do not.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.4", "colnum": "145", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": "regard the housing situation, I am never satisfied and there is no complacency whatever on the part of the Government. In proof of that, I have only to call in evidence this White Paper. In the admirable speech made by my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Nottingham, Central (Lieutenant Colonel Cordeaux) he supported what the White Paper said about the question of \"Squalid Living Conditions.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.145.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.146.1", "colnum": "146", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": "In the White Paper which my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Nottingham, Central praised, we said in regard to houses in multi-occupation: Often as a result the houses are decaying and the living conditions are disgusting. That does not sound like complacency. Elsewhere we said: there are still serious shortages in some areas, and there remains some terribly bad housing I stand by that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.146.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-20", "file": "debates1961-03-20a.xml", "sha256": "35b0782a0ae8d60d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.152.1", "colnum": "152", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": "e found broadly true. The hon. Member for Cardiff, West (Mr. G. Thomas) said that council estates should be not only for the lower-paid workers and that he would wish to see in them doctors and professional men and all kinds of people. If he feels like that—he is entirely justified in feeling like that—would he suggest that all these doctors and professional men should have their rents subsidised?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-20a.152.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.199.5", "colnum": "199", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "Is not the hon. Gentleman aware that the teachers' salary submissions were made in the beginning of this year, that no progress has yet been made and that we are now nearly at the end of March? Is that speed?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.199.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.233.1", "colnum": "233", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "he men were disgruntled. I am bound to say that I was most impressed by the dignified and restrained statement which the union leaders made in their announcement. I am not at all sure that I would accept the right hon. Gentleman's description that the men are disgruntled. It may be that some right hon. and hon. Members opposite are disgruntled, but I am certain that the railwaymen as such are not.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.233.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.238.4", "colnum": "238", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Giving due notice?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "Further to the point of order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. The comparison is being made in passing, and as I shall hope to catch your eye later——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.238.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.249.3", "colnum": "249", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wise", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wise", "preceding_text": "le a Minister on the misdoings of any nationalised industry. In fact, it is an astonishing paradox that Parliamentary control, particularly over the railways, was much more effective before nationalisation than it is now. In the old days we had eleven or twelve railway directors as Members of this House, and one could always get at somebody to get one's grievances redressed whenever one wanted to.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.249.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.251.3", "colnum": "251", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wise", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wise", "preceding_text": "Yes, he was.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.251.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.264.4", "colnum": "264", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Gross.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "preceding_text": "But what follows? Too many people seem to be under the misapprehension that our main line engine men retire on some adequate pension, but a further letter that this man has just received says: 'A pension of 3s. a week has been granted to you by the British Transport Commission'\". After forty-nine and a half years' service, a great part of it as a main-line engine man, he was to receive 3s. a week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.264.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.275.0", "colnum": "275", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "man of the Railways Board receives £24,000 per annum, the Chairman of the National Coal Board £10,000, the Chairman of the Central Electricity Generating Board £10,000, the Prime Minister £10,000, the Minister of Transport £5,000, his Parliamentary Secretary £2,750 and Members of Parliament £1,750 a year. I am not supporting Socialist Members' wage claims which were recently reported in the Press—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.275.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.279.1", "colnum": "279", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is £8 10s.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "n I am surprised at the decision taken by the Government and announced by the Minister. This is Conservative philosophy. I reject it, but I understand it. That is what hon. Members opposite believe in, honestly and sincerely, but I object to it. It is said that railwaymen have had rises in pay. What is now the minimum pay on the railway system for the lower grades? I suppose it is about £9 a week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.279.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.280.3", "colnum": "280", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "idderminster has been saying that there must be reorganisation. That means closing down this station and that, this branch line and that, and, possibly, dismissing a large number of railwaymen. That is one method. I guarantee that without any knowledge of the railway system, I could solve this problem without £24,000 a year, on my present salary, and I will tell hon. Members how it should be done.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.280.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.280.5", "colnum": "280", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "lines. Passengers would complain, but they would be told, \"We must reorganise the system.\" In other words, mark what is being said by hon. Members opposite about our nationalised railway system and about the coal industry, which also is nationalised. What hon. Members opposite are saying is that they must pay their way, and the only way in which they can pay their way is to do as I have suggested.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.280.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.281.3", "colnum": "281", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "I am surprised that the hon. Member did not say, \"Hand the railways over to them. Then, we will make them pay.\" The fact is that under private enterprise, our railways system never did pay.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.281.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.3", "colnum": "282", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "—in which respect I am unlike the hon. Member. I have no industrial side lines on which I am able to make a more or less dishonest living.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.6", "colnum": "282", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "I said \"more or less\", Mr. Speaker, but if my observation is regarded as derogatory or offensive, I am quite sure that nobody thought that I meant it about the hon. Member.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.7", "colnum": "282", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "y that they have not dismissed Sir Brian. They also say that he is a very good man. Indeed, they have almost said that he is a brilliant man. It reminds me of the old adage \"It is all very well to dissemble your love, but why did you kick me downstairs.\" That is what the Government have done to Sir Brian Robertson. I am really disgusted with the present Government. I wish we could get rid of them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.282.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.293.7", "colnum": "293", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes, you did.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "I am not withdrawing any charge, for the simple reason, if the hon. Member will do me the honour to listen, that I did not make a charge.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.293.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.313.0", "colnum": "313", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Popplewell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Chancellor of the Duchy.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Popplewell", "preceding_text": "I am glad to see that the Paymaster-General is shaking his head—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.313.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.315.1", "colnum": "315", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hiley", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hiley", "preceding_text": "hat everyone does if he is honest enough to admit it—and I will tell the hon. Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, West something about incentives when I have the opportunity later. I suggest to my right hon. Friend, whom I am glad to see has returned to his place, that he has not gone far enough. Why not say to Dr. Beeching, \"If you get the railways out of the red in five years I will give you double—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.315.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.320.3", "colnum": "320", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Spriggs", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Fabulous.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Spriggs", "preceding_text": "e that service has been cut short. I believe that the reason for cutting that service short is that Sir Brian is too much of a man of principle to stay and carry out the will of a Government who are not legislating in the best interests of the British people. I am contributing 6s. 4d. a week to a British Transport Commission pension scheme for railwaymen and when I retire I shall draw 30s. a week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.320.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.321.1", "colnum": "321", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. J. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. J. Mellish", "preceding_text": "d Committee, and later to the White Paper. He said that the whole purpose of the inquiry was to cut out uneconomic services and reorganise the British Transport Commission. I know that hon. Members opposite get bored with this, but they must put up with a restatement of the elementary facts. From 1951 onwards the Government have been determined to destroy what the Labour Party established in 1947—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.321.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.328.0", "colnum": "328", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": " obnoxious newspaper today. When we pick up the Evening News and see articles of this kind, naturally we who used to read the Star do not like them very much. The hon. Member wrote an article asking if anybody was worth £24,000 a year, and I will quote the last paragraph: Even if Dr. Beeching does no more than give us clean and punctual trains, he will be worth every penny of this fabulous salary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.326.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.335.3", "colnum": "335", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "I suggest to the hon. Member that we should keep this at its simplest.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.335.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4", "colnum": "336", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "As the hon. Gentleman knows, legislative authority is necessary for this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4", "colnum": "336", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "deeper. Of course, as the hon. Member for Bermondsey—who, for such a genial character can produce some astonishingly bitter personal attacks—made clear, what the Opposition are doing, as they are fully entitled to do, is to use last week's announcement as an excuse for venting their spleen on my right hon. Friend. They want to attack, for the very good reason that he is a very successful Minister—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4", "colnum": "336", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": " do, is to use last week's announcement as an excuse for venting their spleen on my right hon. Friend. They want to attack, for the very good reason that he is a very successful Minister—[ Interruption .] Under my right hon. Friend, as under his predecessors, we have had roads—not merely blue prints. Today we are spending £88 million on roads; in 1950 the party opposite spent less than £5 million—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4", "colnum": "336", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "site spent less than £5 million—[ Interruption .] It is his success that spotlights their failure. It is my right hon. Friend's responsibility to secure the recasting of the rigid, centralised structure of the Transport Act which to hon. and right hon. Members opposite is sacrosanct. He aims to bring a new prospect of settled employment and a hopeful future to those engaged in this great industry—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.336.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.337.3", "colnum": "337", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Salisbury.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "o, for very good reasons, wanted no Motion—and the right hon. Member for Easington, who determined that amidst all the other arguments his rebellious instincts were not to be forgotten. The right hon. Gentleman won the day. The phraseology of the Motion is adroit. Hon. Members opposite have recently had much experience in drafting phrases that seek to express a unity that none of them really feel—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.337.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-21", "file": "debates1961-03-21a.xml", "sha256": "3893af7c4cf0e222", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.337.3", "colnum": "337", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BRITISH TRANSPORT COMMISSION (CHAIRMAN)", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "eology of the Motion is adroit. Hon. Members opposite have recently had much experience in drafting phrases that seek to express a unity that none of them really feel—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Salisbury.\"] It is desirable, as my right hon. Friend said, to debate this subject, but on a day that could have been devoted to a debate, as my hon. Friend the Member for Dorset, South (Viscount Hinchingbrooke) said—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-21a.337.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.387.5", "colnum": "387", "heading": "SEASONAL WORKERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Percy Browne", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Percy Browne", "preceding_text": "raw unemployment benefit; and for purposes connected therewith. The main object of my proposed Bill is to amend the National Insurance (Seasonal Workers) Regulations, 1950, which deal with the payment of unemployment benefit. It may well seem that the proposed amendments are trivial, but I submit that there is a point of principle at issue and I hope that the Bill will commend itself to the House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.387.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.507.1", "colnum": "507", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Eirene White", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Eirene White", "preceding_text": "olitic of the Commonwealth. I do not believe that when we are dealing with persons of that nature we can come to an accommodation with them, and it is far better to recognise the fact. That is why I interrupted the speech of the right hon. and learned Member for Hertfordshire, East (Sir D. Walker-Smith). He slid away, in his Oxford Union manner, from several points, including the one I put to him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.507.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3", "colnum": "525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "preceding_text": " hon. Gentleman, the legal position. We do not believe that it enhances the status or influence of the United Nations to pass loosely worded resolutions and arrogate to itself powers which go far beyond the terms of the Charter. The hon. Gentleman asked about defence arrangements with South Africa, and, in particular, whether South Africa would supply a division for the defence of the Middle East—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3", "colnum": "525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "preceding_text": "the advancement of broad, common objectives. I agree with my right hon. Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton that the Commonwealth of Nations, as its name implies, is an association of peoples and not only of Governments. For reasons which we all regret, South Africa will no longer be represented in this Commonwealth fellowship. We hope, however, that its absence will be no more than temporary—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3", "colnum": "525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "preceding_text": "should continue to take part in the consultative machinery of the Commonwealth. I am sure that none of us desires to disrupt long-established links with South Africa, but, as the hon. Member for Stirling and Falkirk Burghs (Mr. Malcolm MacPherson) said, we must be careful not to destroy the value of Commonwealth membership by giving to those who are not members all the privileges of those who are.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.525.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.530.5", "colnum": "530", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "r a long time. My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister may bear me out when I say that if the South African Government, in the course of the Conference, had said not that they were going to do away with apartheid , but were going at any rate to make this gesture of receiving diplomatic representatives from other Commonwealth countries than European ones, it might have altered the whole atmosphere.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.530.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-22", "file": "debates1961-03-22a.xml", "sha256": "a52ad0e6056d2340", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.530.5", "colnum": "530", "heading": "Orders of the Day — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (WITHDRAWAL FROM COMMONWEALTH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The noble Lord has expelled himself.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "ration on disarmament, which I believe to be something of great importance. I said \"with the exception of South Africa\", because she has progressively isolated herself, with the result that she has no circle of friends whose good will she can bring into the common pool. It is as painful to me to say these things as it is painful to the noble Lord, who is now leaving the Chamber, to listen to them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-22a.530.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.573.0", "colnum": "573", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "While sympathising with the Prime Minister's difficulty in trying to control a party bitterly divided between the Colonial Secretary and Lord Salisbury—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.573.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.580.1", "colnum": "580", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister is making a statement on the espionage case immediately after business questions. I think that we shall probably take the Motion for the Easter Recess on Tuesday. I agree that there is quite a list of Bills for Tuesday, but most of them are not of a very controversial character?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.580.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.582.2", "colnum": "582", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Which is which?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "preceding_text": "In view of the position of the electors of Bristol, and also of the gentleman concerned, who is now suspended between heaven and earth—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.582.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.587.0", "colnum": "587", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " instance, that Houghton was allowed to be employed at the Admiralty without any adequate security check, despite the fact that he was obviously a bad security risk and that this must have been plain to our Ambassador in Warsaw? Does not the Prime Minister appreciate that it is really not enough just to have this simple, limited, domestic inquiry, with the Admiralty inquiring into its own affairs?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.587.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.595.5", "colnum": "595", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"A good investment.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "iaries of this public scandal as I believe it to be—of this scandalous transaction—spent during the last General Election, it has been estimated, no less than £269,000 on advertising designed to benefit the Conservative Party. We have £269,000 spent in 1959 and a deal with the Treasury in 1960 which involves a loss of at least £2 million to the taxpayer. That is the record in two successive years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.595.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.624.5", "colnum": "624", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They are.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "That would be right if they were entirely independent transactions, but they are not in this case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.624.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.635.1", "colnum": "635", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. d'Avigdor-Goldsmid", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. d'Avigdor-Goldsmid", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member is very knowledgeable in these matters and must be aware of the fact that in that company which is near his constituency, Colvilles, there is a continuous growth. That growth is not limited to a company in national ownership, but is common to all well run iron and steel companies. Therefore, I say there is no virtue in keeping one company nationalised.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.635.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.682.3", "colnum": "682", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Lee", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Lee", "preceding_text": "f course, on the general argument, my hon. Friend the Member for Ogmore (Mr. Padley) was perfectly right. I should like to hear the Minister refute tonight the argument of my hon. Friend that by denationalising the Steel Company of Wales the Government have placed an extra £1 per ton on the price of steel. If any hon. Member opposite wishes to deny that, I will give way now. Does anyone deny that?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.682.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.692.0", "colnum": "692", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "preceding_text": "hich the world now has. If other privately-owned industries had had the same production increases over the years as the nationalised coal industry has had, our export prospects now would be rosy instead of being almost tragic. The country, of course, has voted that we should abolish certain types of nationalisation. We remember very well the brain-washing which went on in those election campaigns.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.692.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.703.1", "colnum": "703", "heading": "IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY (DISPOSAL OF HOLDINGS BY I.S.H.R.A)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"IS not he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "preceding_text": "That is an interesting argument. It rather suggests that the Government's defence policy should be decided by the electors of Portsmouth and Aldershot. If pressed to its ultimate conclusion, it would make my hon. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro) the arbiter of the Government's policy for carpets.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.703.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2", "colnum": "739", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "preceding_text": "that Portland is now a proscribed area for the Russian intelligence service. It is extremely unlikely that any more Russian agents will be caught in that area, at least for some time to come. Nevertheless, it seems to me that whatever had gone wrong there—and something had gone wrong—may well be going wrong in other places. On my visits to the Old Bailey, as I listened to the story there unfolded—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2", "colnum": "739", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "preceding_text": "what I had intended to do in raising this matter, but this afternoon we had a statement from the Prime Minister which, needless to say, caused me to reflect on what I had to say. I must say that I thought that it was one of the smartest operations I have listened to for a long time. I am always lost in admiration of the Prime Minister. He is the smartest political operator I have ever listened to.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2", "colnum": "739", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "preceding_text": "ion—that if it was found there were weaknesses about it he would remedy them. Then that was not quite enough. He appealed to the ghost of Edmund Burke. He had to bring in civil liberties and the like. But when one added the three things, what did one notice? One looked behind the Speaker's Chair and saw the Prime Minister saying \"Ta-ta\" because he was off to the Bahamas. He was away and Out of it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2", "colnum": "739", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Wigg", "preceding_text": "mmunists … and then it goes on to talk about the dangers of political espionage undertaken for political reasons. One of the interesting features about this recent case is that when one listens to it the only question of a political allegiance that came out was in respect of Miss Gee, who said that she had no strong political views but if she had voted, she would vote for the Liberal Party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.739.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.753.3", "colnum": "753", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "One can get a good deal of this from the newspapers, and one has one's own sources—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.753.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.754.10", "colnum": "754", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "I do not—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.754.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.755.1", "colnum": "755", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Does not the right hon. Gentleman agree?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "re is a lot to be looked into there. But I do not believe that is the serious issue in this case—the really vital issue—although of course it is a serious one. The other thing the Prime Minister did was to try to smother this with a lot of reference to liberty. He rather implied that one of the things we had to consider in doing anything about this was the erosion of the liberty of the individual.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.755.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.761.0", "colnum": "761", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General (Sir Reginald Manningham-Buller)", "preceding_text": "I do not know where the right hon. Gentleman gets that from. He obviously has not read the report of the evidence at the trial. The report of the evidence was that we listened in on the frequencies shown at the time stated on the signal plan and heard the call sign. There was no evidence about anything else. The right hon. Gentleman ought not to make that kind of statement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.760.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.763.3", "colnum": "763", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "I presume that the hon. Member would always want to cover everything up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.763.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-23", "file": "debates1961-03-23a.xml", "sha256": "8f83c9c856d1fcac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.765.3", "colnum": "765", "heading": "ADMIRALTY UNDERWATER WEAPONS ESTABLISHMENT, PORTLAND (ESPIONAGE)", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Legge-Bourke", "preceding_text": "vidual liberty of men in this issue. The right hon. Gentleman cannot escape this. To blame the Prime Minister for bringing it in this afternoon astounded me. It seems to me that this individual liberty is one of the very things, surely, on which we pride ourselves. If there has been a slip-up of a very major order—I agree with that—inside the Admiralty on this occasion, and if there has also been—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-23a.765.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-24", "file": "debates1961-03-24a.xml", "sha256": "42648c78df3f5c69", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-24a.916.3", "colnum": "916", "heading": "Orders of the Day — MALTA AND GOZO (TELEVISION)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Leslie Plummer", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Leslie Plummer", "preceding_text": "sting. The Government here have rejected sponsored programmes wholeheartedly. I remember the late Sir David Gammans telling us, with a sob in his voice, how we would never, never stoop to having the American practice of sponsored programmes, but they are to be foisted upon the people of Malta without any consent from them. I understand that the talks with Malta Rediffusion are not going very well.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-24a.916.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.934.0", "colnum": "934", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LAOS (SITUATION)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the road between Vientiane and Luang Prabang is not really a road at all and that there are only 750 miles of metal road in the entire area? Is it not a fact that most of these affrays are little guerrilla attacks caused by the hypocrisy of the West—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.934.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1007.1", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Victor Goodhew", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Victor Goodhew", "preceding_text": "o could afford to buy or rent in the open market. Outside many of these houses there are large cars and television aerials. Such things are common. No one begrudges people these things, but regard should be had to the principle of first things first. A man, though he may want to have a motor car or a television set or other such desirable things, should first of all provide his home with a family.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1007.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1023.1", "colnum": "1023", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Watts", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Watts", "preceding_text": "lling rooms, which do not even have a landing, which have no place to hang up clothes, and which have no place in which to dry wet clothes? In the evening, mothers and fathers are tired out, and the children get out on to the streets to play. When growing up, youths get into all sorts of trouble and even stray away and get drunk. What becomes then of the money spent on the National Health Service?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1023.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1068.1", "colnum": "1068", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": "That will depend on the case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1068.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1072.1", "colnum": "1072", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": "I do not share that opinion. The hon. Member must excuse me from going further into it at the moment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1072.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1", "colnum": "1080", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "5 years. The county boroughs are entitled to become receiving authorities and county councils are enabled to make contributions. This will be a considerable spur to overspill arrangements, which are so important in problem areas. The Opposition Amendment really recapitulates all the criticisms and panaceas of the Labour Party. It deplores the high price of land. What does it suggest as the remedy?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1", "colnum": "1080", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Try it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "portant in problem areas. The Opposition Amendment really recapitulates all the criticisms and panaceas of the Labour Party. It deplores the high price of land. What does it suggest as the remedy? [HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"] That was a rhetorical question, I shall answer. It suggests the discredited betterment charge, and what does that do to reduce the price of land? It increases the price of land.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1", "colnum": "1080", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh!\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": ". Then the Labour Party—and here hon. and right hon. Members opposite really are in unity—attacks interest charges. Surely it must recognise by now that this is one of the means by which the Government seek to match resources with demand and so avoid inflation. Interest reflects the cost of borrowing, but interest rates are no brake at all on local authorities which have a serious housing problem.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-27", "file": "debates1961-03-27a.xml", "sha256": "f71387aa4750523c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1", "colnum": "1080", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "rest rates and no reference at all to a higher level of earnings; there is no reference to the danger of inflation if we go back to the indiscriminately low interest rates which there were under the Labour Government; there is all this stress on the high price of land but no reference to the conflicting claims of a prospering and expanding community on a limited supply. There is a huge task ahead.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-27a.1080.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1122.6", "colnum": "1122", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — KENYA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What sparrows?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "I have heard of people releasing sparrows in Conservative meetings—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1122.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1124.0", "colnum": "1124", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NORTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Too long.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "al Review prior to the consequential changes taking place in Northern Rhodesia and Southern Rhodesia. In point of fact, as the House will know, at the Federal Review Conference held this last December, it was decided by all parties concerned that the local constitutional reviews should proceed. In addition to that, my hon. Friend will remember that there was the publication of the Monckton Report—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1124.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1136.0", "colnum": "1136", "heading": "HOUSE OF COMMONS ACCOMMODATION (COMMITTEE'S REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "lities might be offered to the wives, or husbands, of Members. It has proposed that, as an experiment, the Harcourt Room should be open to wives or husbands of Members to wait and take refreshment unaccompanied by a Member. I am sure that the House will wish me to thank the Chairman and members of the Committee for their labours in the service of the House and for the progress that they have made.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1135.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1143.0", "colnum": "1143", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (EASTER)", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The farmers.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "This matter does not end with business which we say we want to discuss and for which the Government say they cannot find time. Urgent matters of legislation are being held up because the Government cannot find time to conduct Government business. There is, for example, the Land Drainage Bill, in which many of us are very interested and about which we are deeply concerned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1143.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1153.3", "colnum": "1153", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (EASTER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about Monday?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "I am unacquainted with pathological subjects, but I defer to my right hon Friend's knowledge of the matter. No doubt there is a human aspect to be considered. But I would much prefer to be here next week, on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday for that purpose.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1153.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1236.1", "colnum": "1236", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"That is no good.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "h I am grateful to the Secretary of State, I am not satisfied with his answer, nor with the explanations that have been given. I do not think that the right hon. Gentleman has paid enough attention to the future. We want to know something about the future. It might be that if unemployment increases in these areas they can be scheduled under the Local Employment Act as areas of rising unemployment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1236.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1238.1", "colnum": "1238", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"That is not Scotland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "Very well, the people of my hon. Friend's native land.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1238.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1262.2", "colnum": "1262", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wolrige-Gordon", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wolrige-Gordon", "preceding_text": "I merely want to conclude by saying that although there is a great deal to be said for a policy which improves fishing facilities in the North of Scotland—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1262.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1276.3", "colnum": "1276", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "on earlier in the day with the Leader of the House in open House, open to everybody here, and the Leader of the House said that the intentions were to obtain the Order of the Day which has just been obtained, namely, the White Fish and Herring Industries Bill, and such other progress as it was reasonable to make; and that is all he said. The Patronage Secretary is mumbling. Would he like to speak?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1276.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1", "colnum": "1277", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "or intrusion into one of the Royal Parks which I regarded very jealously when I was Minister of Works and which it is the present Minister's job to regard very jealously today. The present Minister of Transport is to be permitted to cut a great swathe into a great national park which is the pride not only of Londoners but of the world. Everybody goes to Hyde Park. People judge London by Hyde Park.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1", "colnum": "1277", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "t is to be permitted to cut a great swathe into a great national park which is the pride not only of Londoners but of the world. Everybody goes to Hyde Park. People judge London by Hyde Park. [ Laughter .] There is a great difference between hon. Members opposite and myself. The hour of the day at which they know Hyde Park and the business by which they know Hyde Park is quite different from mine.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1", "colnum": "1277", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "y which they know Hyde Park is quite different from mine. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"] Because of the hour of the day at which I know Hyde Park and the purposes for which I know Hyde Park it is a matter of great pride to me, but hon. and right hon. Members opposite have to think twice about this because there have been some rather peculiar cases. They did not involve anybody on this side of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1", "colnum": "1277", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "here. I repeat that there are very great purposes in the Bill. It really involves a considerable business. If there are any grounds for moving the adjournment of the House they are these two points—that we have here neither the Leader of the House with whom this matter had been discussed earlier today, nor the Minister of Works who has charge of the park which is to be interfered with by the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1277.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0", "colnum": "1286", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Both sides?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "preceding_text": " that other than my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Kettering (Mr. Mitchison)? Everybody understands that my hon. and learned Friend would be the last person to complain about the amount of work or the burden of work that he has to carry. He has never been known to utter a peek about the amount of work he is called upon to undertake and the help which he gives to hon. Members on both sides.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0", "colnum": "1286", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh no.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "preceding_text": "bate on the Trustee Investments Bill in Committee upstairs and dealing with most highly technical matters with such force of argument and such clarity of exposition as to compel some hon. Members of the party opposite in Committee to refrain from voting for their own Minister and their own Bill. Such was the value of the contribution of my hon. and learned Friend. But, after all, he is only human.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0", "colnum": "1286", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Diamond", "preceding_text": ". Such was the value of the contribution of my hon. and learned Friend. But, after all, he is only human. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh no.\"] I thought that I had all the House with me in saying that, but apparently I have not. My hon. and learned Friend is a very human being, always ready to listen to pleas from this side, always willing to take on additional burdens and always ready to put down Amendments.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1286.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1292.5", "colnum": "1292", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "I am glad to see that the Leader of the House has now entered the Chamber.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1292.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1294.0", "colnum": "1294", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "er Adjournment did not go on beyond a certain time, but that the White Fish and Herring Industries Bill was obtained by the Government by a reasonable time. Any idea that we had to facilitate further business of the Government tonight really was out of the question. However, we do not need to make a song and dance about it. I am very willing on behalf of my right hon. and hon. Friends to withdraw—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1294.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1296.0", "colnum": "1296", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "In view of what the Leader of the House said, and on the understanding that if there was any misunderstanding it was misunderstanding on the part of the right hon. Gentleman and not on our part—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1296.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-28", "file": "debates1961-03-28a.xml", "sha256": "7ed77805d57780ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1296.0", "colnum": "1296", "heading": "Orders of the Day — WHITE FISH AND HERRING INDUSTRIES BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "In view of what the Leader of the House said, and on the understanding that if there was any misunderstanding it was misunderstanding on the part of the right hon. Gentleman and not on our part—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I will repeat it. On the understanding that if there was any misunderstanding it was misunderstanding on the part of the Government, not On our side—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-28a.1296.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1310.1", "colnum": "1310", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRANSPORT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "Questions about the police force should normally be addressed to my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1310.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1312.6", "colnum": "1312", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRANSPORT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "It is not a question of being nice about it. The position is that we have made a British Standard. We have made it an offence to offer for sale or hire a helmet which does not comply with the British Standard. The majority of motor cyclists, for their own protection, already wear these helmets. It would be extremely difficult to enforce the wearing of these helmets—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1312.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1315.6", "colnum": "1315", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRANSPORT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBER: \"Miles away. Ask the Minister.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "There is, of course, the other route, the Barton Swing Bridge—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1315.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1338.3", "colnum": "1338", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "They are.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Hynd", "preceding_text": "Why are all these arithmetical gymnastics about real terms never used when we discuss wages?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1338.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1429.3", "colnum": "1429", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "preceding_text": "No. In conclusion, I should like to say that in spite of the criticism that has been levelled against us over these charges, the Government are confident that in this Bill we are doing the right thing for the Health Service. We have a fine record of development over the last ten years—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1429.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1443.1", "colnum": "1443", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The Poor Law mentality.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": " take advantage of the insurance, or whatever it is, that those contributions afford. The poor have the advantage as well as the rich. The Government's policy, on the other hand, is to relieve the rich by concentrating exclusively on a means test to ensure that none but the very poorest who come within the limits of the means test receive any advantage at all. That, equally, we oppose as a policy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1443.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1448.4", "colnum": "1448", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Come to the Bill.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "I will do my best to do that, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. These charges are part of the framework of the Health Service which we inherited from the Labour Government. I believe that in the near future we must reconstruct the Welfare State in such a way that it will not be necessary to make this kind of charge in future, and I hope that this is the last time we shall introduce a Bill like this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1448.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1449.4", "colnum": "1449", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": " and the hard-up. Sitting behind the benches opposite throughout these debates I have seen a long line of ghosts—the rich people who would benefit from the Socialist attack on the charges. If the Socialist Party has its way, and abolishes the charges, it is true that that would help the poor, but that is only half the truth, for it is also true that it would also help many people who are not poor.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1449.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1450.6", "colnum": "1450", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Where is the line drawn?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "Let me finish my sentence. It will be possible to finance it out of taxation if free access to the Service is limited to the people who need help and not distributed to the others. That is exactly the point. Then we can finance it out of taxation——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1450.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1450.9", "colnum": "1450", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "Of course there are cases—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1450.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1458.3", "colnum": "1458", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Was it not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "As I say, these are handy speeches to be able to make just before an election. The fact is that the charges were introduced. The hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, Central said that the Korean war was the reason for these charges.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1458.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1459.5", "colnum": "1459", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "rose ——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1459.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1462.0", "colnum": "1462", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "I am not responsible for what went on in those days.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1462.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1473.0", "colnum": "1473", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. Fraser", "preceding_text": "erson should pay for his prescriptions or false teeth and spectacles. Hon. Members would say that they should get them gratis, or have the charges remitted, but under the so-called new arrangements these charges will not be remitted. Hon. Members opposite should clearly know that that is so, and if they knew they were deceiving themselves and were guilty of humbug. I must make way for the Minster.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1468.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-03-29", "file": "debates1961-03-29a.xml", "sha256": "0b477b05bf71562d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1474.1", "colnum": "1474", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And they lost.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": " were specifically limited to a period of three years. It is agreed that it was right to impose the charges at that time, and it is obviously wrong, and obviously humbug on the part of hon. Members opposite, to try to justify the present increases by relating them to what was done in 1951. In that year the Act was passed by a Labour Government which went into a General Election a few months later.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-03-29a.1474.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.4.2", "colnum": "4", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — KENYA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Who?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that there are very many in this House who profoundly disagree with the point of view expressed by the hon. Gentleman opposite in his supplementary question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.4.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.18.2", "colnum": "18", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Hart", "preceding_text": " hospitals are considerable? Is he further aware that there is an utterly absurd situation here, in which we have a new town with a growing population, in which a large number of births are first births and in which mothers are more widely separated from their families and mothers-in-law—people who can normally be of assistance in home confinements—than is usual? Is he aware that here is a matter—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.18.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.30.1", "colnum": "30", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SPAIN (FOREIGN SECRETARY'S VISIT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "Does the Lord Privy Seal agree that it is a very unfortunate decision to make such a visit at this time?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.30.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.52.2", "colnum": "52", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Leo Abse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Leo Abse", "preceding_text": "ecessary guidance to those who wish to interpret the statistics usefully so that they may, perhaps, help to prevent crime? Since I observe in The Times this morning an editorial adversely commenting on the delay on the part of the Home Office in publishing the Children's Department report I would ask, too, whether it is intended that this report which is now, lamentably, to be postponed till 1964—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.52.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.69.3", "colnum": "69", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "rt the new Clause. It might not be a majority. I am not concerned with that. I am not an indiscriminate flogger. I believe in penal reform. I believe that the Home Secretary's general purposes and policies in this context are correct—stern borstal treatment, and even sterner detention centre treatment. I would have detention centre treatment closely analogous to \"glasshouse\" treatment in the Army—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.69.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.82.1", "colnum": "82", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Dance", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why not the 'cat'?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Dance", "preceding_text": "sider that this type of corporal punishment would be extremely beneficial. There is one point which has not been sufficiently stressed. We are always being accused in the Press and by speakers that we want flogging. It is in no way flogging that we want. It is not the \"cat\". I hope that the Press will publish this. We have never wanted that. What we want is the cane and the birch in certain cases.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.82.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.83.1", "colnum": "83", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Dance", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"How?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dance", "preceding_text": "No. I have had it several times and it did me good.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.83.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.87.4", "colnum": "87", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "We explained to them what this meant,", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.87.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4", "colnum": "88", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "I had the pleasure of reading a book which was presented to me giving a full explanation of the methods adopted to deal with various kinds of crime. There has been a considerable change in penal methods in Russia. The Deputy-Chairman of the Supreme Court in Moscow said to me, \"We never impose physical pain as a method of punishment.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4", "colnum": "88", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "k which was presented to me giving a full explanation of the methods adopted to deal with various kinds of crime. There has been a considerable change in penal methods in Russia. The Deputy-Chairman of the Supreme Court in Moscow said to me, \"We never impose physical pain as a method of punishment.\" [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] \"We do not, because we believe that it lowers the dignity of the individual.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4", "colnum": "88", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hanged.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "ke a different view, and that I and my colleagues necessarily have all the virtue on our side, but I am pleased that in Committee we were absolutely united. There is no demand of this nature within our movement. It is true that there is public opinion, and it is very often ignorant public opinion, in favour of it. People write letters to me and say that I ought to be hanged or ought to be flogged.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.88.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.103.1", "colnum": "103", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. N. Pannell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is now 1,900.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. N. Pannell", "preceding_text": "er somewhat from the figures which I have just given—I am dependent on these official sources—namely, Appendix D of this Report of the Barry Committee, we read that in 1938, the year in which the Cadogan Committee sat, the number of crimes known to the police of robbery with assault and intent to rob was 287. When the right hon. Gentleman introduced the Bill in 1948, the figure had risen to 1,101.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.103.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.112.1", "colnum": "112", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Blackburn.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "nd no one has said that it should be. Incidentally, for that matter, such a child would be hardly suitable to send to a detention centre. What we are suggesting—and hon. Members must get it quite clear—is that magistrates, the courts, should be given the power to impose sentences of corporal punishment. I understand that the hon. Gentleman is a recorder. I am sorry that I do not know of what town.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.112.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.116.3", "colnum": "116", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer it.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "Of course I can, as well as anybody else—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.116.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.134.1", "colnum": "134", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "I appreciate the hon. Member's action in springing to the defence of magistrates, but I did not think that my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Wells (Lieut.-Commander Maydon) was attacking them. He was talking about the problems of juvenile courts. A great many magistrates feel that to eliminate any fear that those who come before those courts might experience—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.134.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": " of course, will also arouse on both sides of the House deep and divided feelings which, in the same way as on the previous Amendment, must be given vent to. If the previous debate ran for nearly five hours, we can expect the debate on capital punishment to run a considerable time. Therefore, I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will adhere to his first words to us when he spoke of \"about eleven\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "ded feelings which, in the same way as on the previous Amendment, must be given vent to. If the previous debate ran for nearly five hours, we can expect the debate on capital punishment to run a considerable time. Therefore, I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will adhere to his first words to us when he spoke of \"about eleven\". [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I heard the right hon. Gentleman say \"eleven\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "nt to. If the previous debate ran for nearly five hours, we can expect the debate on capital punishment to run a considerable time. Therefore, I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will adhere to his first words to us when he spoke of \"about eleven\". [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I heard the right hon. Gentleman say \"eleven\". [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] The right hon. Gentleman said \"not much later than eleven.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "nt to run a considerable time. Therefore, I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will adhere to his first words to us when he spoke of \"about eleven\". [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I heard the right hon. Gentleman say \"eleven\". [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] The right hon. Gentleman said \"not much later than eleven.\" [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] At any rate, the word \"eleven\" occurred in the right hon. Gentleman's remarks.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "nt \"twelve\" he would have said \"twelve\". He is a man of great precision of language, as is well and widely known, a man who always says clearly, exactly and lucidly what he means. It is not hon. Members on this side of the Chamber who have been keeping the House up till this time. If there is a general desire to sit all night, we on this side of the House are prepared to do so if we have to do it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-11", "file": "debates1961-04-11a.xml", "sha256": "12c0d2bba5d80c91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2", "colnum": "149", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "to sit all night, we on this side of the House are prepared to do so if we have to do it. [ Interruption. ] Hon. Members opposite who have been keeping the House here, no doubt quite rightly, for the greater part of five-and-a-quarter hours—out has been mainly through their own efforts—really have no right to be impatient at this stage of the proceedings. They have brought us into this difficulty.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-11a.149.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-12", "file": "debates1961-04-12a.xml", "sha256": "7b21acc101831e8d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.229.0", "colnum": "229", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — POST OFFICE", "cue_speaker": "Miss Pike", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pike", "preceding_text": "I am very grateful to my hon. and gallant Friend for the interest he takes in Post Office affairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.229.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-12", "file": "debates1961-04-12a.xml", "sha256": "7b21acc101831e8d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.291.1", "colnum": "291", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Deedes", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"But who wants to go there?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deedes", "preceding_text": "r, but I think that this really must be added, that the cost of keeping a boy at a detention centre today is £562 9s. 1d., that is, £18 more than the cost of keeping a boy at Eton, and I would add in all seriousness that it is more difficult—this is one of the tragedies—to get a boy into a detention centre today than to get one into Eton. Magistrates in many parts of the country will confirm that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.291.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-12", "file": "debates1961-04-12a.xml", "sha256": "7b21acc101831e8d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.299.2", "colnum": "299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "ford\" comes so often into our debates, but this is Ashford, Middlesex, and the centre is for the purposes of the London area. We intended to use this as a borstal allocation centre, but it will be used now as a remand centre. It will be opened about next July. This is a start for the London area. A further seven centres will be required. These will be purpose-built. So much of a drive have we had—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.299.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-12", "file": "debates1961-04-12a.xml", "sha256": "7b21acc101831e8d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.389.0", "colnum": "389", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"There are.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "e House before dealing with some minor reasons. I do not know whether hon. Members remember the Report of the Departmental Committee on Scottish Administration of 1938 which resulted in the amalgamation of the Prisons Department of Scotland with the Scottish Home Office. I do not say that we should always follow Scotland—especially as there are practically no Scottish hon. Members present tonight—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.389.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-12", "file": "debates1961-04-12a.xml", "sha256": "7b21acc101831e8d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.396.1", "colnum": "396", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "It will be an ordinary Order in Council subject to the negative procedure—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-12a.396.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.469.7", "colnum": "469", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"By whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "Would the hon. and learned Gentleman take into account that this matter was very fully debated in the House of Commons, and that the proposals then made by hon. Members opposite for restricting immigration were laughed out of court—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.469.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.473.9", "colnum": "473", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Holland", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Come off it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Holland", "preceding_text": "In view of that reply, would not my right hon. Friend and his right hon. Friend the Home Secretary agree that in the course of this exploitation these children are being exposed to the moral dangers inherent in living rough and in communal sleeping—not just with the hard core of zealots—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.473.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.483.1", "colnum": "483", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "No, Sir; I would not propose to go beyond what I have said, or the agreed communiqué which I arranged with the President—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.483.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.485.0", "colnum": "485", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "travelling yesterday. I think that there was some confusion. What I said was that I understood that the American Administration made it clear that they were not going to press the plan for the distribution of M.R.B.M.'s in different parts of Europe which was put up by the last Administration. It had no relation to the Polaris question. It had relation to the Continental distribution of M.R.B.M.'s—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.485.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.1", "colnum": "489", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "I well understand your saying, Mr. Speaker, that you do not want to rule hypothetically; I do not challenge that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.1", "colnum": "489", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "I well understand your saying, Mr. Speaker, that you do not want to rule hypothetically; I do not challenge that. [ Interruption. ] Further, however, to the point of order raised by my hon. Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3", "colnum": "489", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "If I am allowed by you, Sir, to be shouted at from over there—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3", "colnum": "489", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "If I am allowed by you, Sir, to be shouted at from over there—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—I assure you that I shall answer those shouts.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3", "colnum": "489", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "r, however, clearly invited us to put down the Questions again. If we act on his invitation and cut short our supplementary questions today, it obviously is a matter of tremendous importance that we are not then ruled out by some other operation in the House. May I, therefore, suggest, Mr. Speaker, that my hon. Friend is entitled to a much clearer answer. The Prime Minister cheated this afternoon.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.489.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.495.4", "colnum": "495", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Resign.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "There was a series of mischances this morning, connected with linked Amendments to the Crofters (Scotland) Bill. It is true that these linked Amendments resulted in what appears to be a more considerable reverse than is exactly the case. The Government, of course, will consider this matter and, if necessary, take appropriate action.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.495.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.504.3", "colnum": "504", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": "tions, and if there are any personal considerations they should bias one in favour of helping the petitioner. I must make it quite clear that I have made the most careful examination, but, for reasons which I now propose to give as shortly as I can—because the right hon. Gentleman kept his speech short and I will do the same, because the substantive Motion is to follow—we cannot accept the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.504.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.511.0", "colnum": "511", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frank Bowles", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They were summoned.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frank Bowles", "preceding_text": "Before the right hon. Gentleman sits down, may I ask him a question? Does not he recall that many times since 1945 various journalists, editors and others spoke in their own defence at the Bar of this House?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.511.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.512.3", "colnum": "512", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "\"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "preceding_text": "lishment, and reveals the sycophancy which surrounds the Court and another place. That is what we are up against. I suppose that if we take the comparison between what happened in space yesterday and what has happened here today it would represent the gulf between this side of the House and hon. Members opposite. It represents what happened in the past, because these people are rooted in the past—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.512.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.516.0", "colnum": "516", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is not Lord Stansgate.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. As the hon. Member for Leeds, West (Mr. C. Pannell) has expressed dubiety as to whether Lord Stansgate is, in fact, a Member of this House of Commons—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.516.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.527.1", "colnum": "527", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "(Dr. King) said that we were going to condemn a former Member of the House and that he should be heard in his own defence. That argument has been advanced by a number of other hon. Members. We are not going to do anything of the kind. No judgment or penalty will be passed upon the former Member for Bristol, South-East. He will not be in any way disadvantaged if he does not address the House today.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.527.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.534.1", "colnum": "534", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "preceding_text": " I return to the point made by the hon. Member for Buckinghamshire, South. This does not seem to me to be, fundamentally, a legal matter. I greatly regret the advice given by the Leader of the House. I think it showed a lack of generosity. It will do the reputation of the House no good whatever to refuse a request from a Member of the House, or a man whose membership is in jeopardy, to address it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.534.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.537.1", "colnum": "537", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Miss Jennie Lee", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Jennie Lee", "preceding_text": "o knew him realise that he regretted profoundly that, because he was a member of another place, his son might not be able to continue to serve here. The House ought to take into consideration the fact that the late Lord Stansgate was made a Member of the House of Lords during the war for patriotic reasons. I do not think that he was the type who would have been vulgar enough to become a life peer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.537.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.540.3", "colnum": "540", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "preceding_text": "n the hon. Lady the Member for Cannock (Miss Lee) reads her speech in HANSARD, she will wish to reconsider one sentence in it. The hon. Lady said that the action which the Government were taking today in their attitude to the Motion, and to the one which follows it, would be bolstering up the House of Lords and depriving this House. On the other hand, this action will reinforce the House of Lords—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.540.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.543.2", "colnum": "543", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Divide.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Lynn Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": "Sir Lynn Ungoed-Thomas (Leicester, North-East) rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.543.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.543.7", "colnum": "543", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": "t accept the Motion moved by my right hon. Friend the Member for Leeds, South (Mr. Gaitskell) for whom is the right hon. Gentleman speaking? In what capacity is he speaking? Is he speaking as the Leader of the House on a House of Commons matter, or is he the mouthpiece of the Conservative Party? We know perfectly well that there is a three-line Whip both on this Motion and the Motion that follows.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.543.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.555.4", "colnum": "555", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "I am not trying to use any controversial word, or to engage in controversy. Mr. MacManaway was a Member of this House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.555.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.555.4", "colnum": "555", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is the same here.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "age in controversy. Mr. MacManaway was a Member of this House. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"] Mr. MacManaway was elected a Member of this House and a question arose which was more difficult than this one, the question of disqualification. That went to the Judicial Committee, which expressed advice. He did not become, and could not become, disqualified until that advice had been accepted by the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.555.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.565.4", "colnum": "565", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "ority, does not exclude the possibility of such a committee. It simply says that before we make up our minds we must consult another place, and clearly that is constitutionally wise. The Government have decided that it is not in the interest of the body politic at the present moment to set up such a joint committee. That is the answer to my hon. Friends who placed the Amendment on the Order Paper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.565.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.573.0", "colnum": "573", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "The hon. and learned Gentleman is not quite fair. I know that it is thought a good thing to take points off the Leader of the House, and certainly a few have been taken off me today, and I am used to it. I did say to my hon. Friends, and I think they understood, that we could not accept the Amendment on the Order Paper—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.573.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.581.1", "colnum": "581", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Or Lord Salisbury.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " that it will not do so. Let us be clear about that. The number of such cases is likely to be very small. Even if we decide to allow existing peers to renounce their peerages, stand for Parliament and come back here again, we need not, I honestly believe, fear that there will be a flood. There is, of course, the possibility which may worry the Government that Lord Hailsham will elect to come back.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.581.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.596.1", "colnum": "596", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is blue.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "annexed to the posterity and fixed in the blood. I have a certain amount of respect for the hereditary system, but it is limited. When I read drivel of that kind, written 340 years ago, it substantially weakens such little respect as I have for the hereditary system. Would anybody dare to suggest that my blood is less luscious, less rich, less red, coursing through my veins as it is at his moment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.596.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.600.1", "colnum": "600", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": " in the happy position of having at least something slightly more than intangible to probe my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary upon during the months ahead. He has taken a slow and faltering step in the direction of my hon. Friends and myself in suggesting that at some time in the future we might have an inter-Parliamentary committee to go into the question of the reform of the House of Lords.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.600.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.601.1", "colnum": "601", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "into which the Conservative Party now puts itself by a refusal to take any action upon the Wedgwood Benn case. There is no doubt that Mr. Wedgwood Benn, Lord Stansgate—I ride both horses, as the B.B.C. has done ever since this controversy began by referring to him as Mr. Anthony Wedgwood Benn, Lord Stansgate—will offer himself as the Labour Party candidate for the Bristol, South-East constituency—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.601.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.625.1", "colnum": "625", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": " manner of the expression of our findings. I think it true to say that it is generally accepted, and has been in this debate, that under the law of our land a peer of the United Kingdom is disqualified from and ineligible to sit in and vote in this House when he becomes a peer. In passing, I would say of my hon. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro), whose speech I heard with interest—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.625.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.628.2", "colnum": "628", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Neither is Labour now.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "The Conservative Party was not the Government of that day.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.628.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.629.1", "colnum": "629", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He wanted both.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "I do not think that the recollection of the hon. and learned Member about that is right. Nor do I think it a very significant factor.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.629.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.633.1", "colnum": "633", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Divide.", "preceding_speaker": "Several Hon. Members", "preceding_text": "Several Hon. Members rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.633.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-13", "file": "debates1961-04-13a.xml", "sha256": "ec6e0dae7b64ecfc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.634.1", "colnum": "634", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN (COMMITTEE OF PRIVILEGES REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Divide.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "Mr. Leavey.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-13a.634.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-14", "file": "debates1961-04-14a.xml", "sha256": "50a3166533d1deee", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-14a.657.1", "colnum": "657", "heading": "WALES (DEPOPULATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "e have seen the Elan Valley used, not by Welsh people, but by people who are not in the least interested in our country but only in what they can get out of it. We remember the shock to Wales when the threat was made to take over Glynceiriog, in North Wales. I wish that I could say something happier than this, but the Minister must remember that he does not have the confidence of the Welsh people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-14a.657.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-14", "file": "debates1961-04-14a.xml", "sha256": "50a3166533d1deee", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-14a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "WALES (DEPOPULATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Griffiths", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Not a bad idea.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Griffiths", "preceding_text": " such places in mind, and I have selected them from my own knowledge and from looking at the map. They are places that have already got adequate transport, and first of all I would select Builth Wells. I should very much like to build a new town there, and to bring back to that area from Birmingham some of the tens of thousands of Welshmen who have gone there, and thus build a new Welsh community.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-14a.724.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-17", "file": "debates1961-04-17a.xml", "sha256": "9bbfea2e8a7a5aed", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.791.6", "colnum": "791", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET STATEMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "One of the elements in the ordeal of a Chancellor of the Exchequer, in presenting his first Budget, is the presence of those who have held his position before him. Today, like, I am sure, the whole Committee, I am delighted at the presence of one who presented his first Budget thirty-six years ago, namely, my right hon. Friend the Member for Woodford (Sir W. Churchill).", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.791.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-17", "file": "debates1961-04-17a.xml", "sha256": "9bbfea2e8a7a5aed", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.791.8", "colnum": "791", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EXCHEQUER OUT-TURN 1960–61", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear. \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": " had outstanding results from National Savings. During those three years the amount remaining invested, including accrued interest, has grown by almost £1,000 million, or 15 per cent. I am not yet so used to these large figures that I regard these results as a matter of course, and I should like to send to Lord Mackintosh, and through him to the whole National Savings Movement, my grateful thanks.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.791.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-17", "file": "debates1961-04-17a.xml", "sha256": "9bbfea2e8a7a5aed", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.866.3", "colnum": "866", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONCLUSION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "k. I think it not improbable that towards the middle or end of August we shall find ourselves with an unemployment figure ridiculously low to the point of danger. That may sound a heresy to some hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite, but what I mean is quite simply that we shall at that time have reached the position when virtually there will be no single soul left to be employed in this country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.866.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-17", "file": "debates1961-04-17a.xml", "sha256": "9bbfea2e8a7a5aed", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.875.4", "colnum": "875", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET STATEMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "It is worse.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "I cannot answer that question by producing statistics in the same way as I can produce statistics with which the Front Bench has kindly provided me. As far as I know, however, the industrial position in those countries—and I have been in two of them—concerning employment is, if not better than ours—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.875.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-17", "file": "debates1961-04-17a.xml", "sha256": "9bbfea2e8a7a5aed", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.893.1", "colnum": "893", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET STATEMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. T. H. H. Skeet", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Unemployment\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. H. H. Skeet", "preceding_text": "ingdom, brings in £59 million a year. I assume that that would have to be abolished. In addition, we are told in the Royal Commission Report that the next gain from the tax, taking into account profits and losses on the year, would be about £50 million. The hon. Gentleman also referred to the payroll tax on industry. Curiously enough, that has been introduced in order to provide economy of labour—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-17a.893.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.941.9", "colnum": "941", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. Fraser", "preceding_text": "Will the hon. Gentleman give an assurance that there will be no further sell-out to the brewers as in the case of the new towns?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.941.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.945.4", "colnum": "945", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Is it?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacArthur", "preceding_text": "Can my right hon. Friend say when he received the recommendations of the National Joint Council? Is he aware of the widespread feeling which there is in Scotland that the threat of a strike in this noble profession is doing great harm to the honour in which the teachers are held, and is acting as a remarkably bad example to the children under their care?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.945.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.980.3", "colnum": "980", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "mber I said that the House cannot expect to secure major reductions in Government expenditure except on the basis of major changes of policy, and that it is dishonest for an hon Member to vote for certain spending policies one month and then complain when the Chancellor presents the bill. I said that it was the duty of the House—aided by the Estimates Committee and the Public Assistance Committee—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.980.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.980.3", "colnum": "980", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Starting salary\"?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": " so many of our industries hold out. Some of our industries are not science-minded; they hold out no prospects. Even in the case of some of the best, I have looked through last Sunday's Observer , with all the advertisements that it has for young scientists and technicians, but I could not find one firm operating a starting salary that would bring the recipient into anything like the Surtax level.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.980.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.998.1", "colnum": "998", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The President of the Board of Trade (Mr. Reginald Maudling)", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The President of the Board of Trade (Mr. Reginald Maudling)", "preceding_text": "to which he had no particular solution. Last year, the right hon. Gentleman said: A budget, in modern times, must be judged on two tests: how far it succeeds in promoting social justice and how far it helps to solve the economic problems facing the country.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 5th April, 1960; Vol. 621, c. 215.] I entirely agree with that. My right hon. and learned Friend's Budget meets both tests.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.998.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1004.2", "colnum": "1004", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why should you?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "stantly appealing for measures to restrain consumer demand while constantly voting for measures which increase it. The right hon. Gentleman voted yesterday against a measure imposing taxation on vehicles which I should have thought was a policy entirely in line with his own public statements. We have received from the party opposite today no alternative policies whatever to deal with our problems.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1004.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1010.0", "colnum": "1010", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. T. Price", "preceding_text": "ensive encouragement in quite different ways. However, for every exporter, off potential exporter, in this country there are at least two importers who will work just as intensively to bring into this country, not only raw materials, but all kinds of consumer goods from Hong Kong and elsewhere. They do not come spontaneously. They are brought here because people are in business to bring them here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1010.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-18", "file": "debates1961-04-18a.xml", "sha256": "e36c9c30e9e6236c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1088.2", "colnum": "1088", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "ublic services if they are not to be stultified and allowed to stagnate? The only thing in the Budget that pleased me was the little bit of assurance that was given to the shipping industry. I am not pleading my own case. I have no personal interest in shipping. I am pleading the case of men whose lives are bound up with it. That is the purpose for which I am here. I have no share in the industry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-18a.1088.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1143.6", "colnum": "1143", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROADS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. This scheme is being run by the London County Council, and work is proceeding according to the schedule laid down in the contract, despite the substantial difficulties of doing this work, because we have to keep the traffic circulating, and despite the extremely serious bad weather experienced in the last few months.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1143.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1161.3", "colnum": "1161", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TELEPHONE SERVICE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "preceding_text": "I do not think that Willesden is scheduled for subscriber trunk dialling within the next twelve months.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1161.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1176.7", "colnum": "1176", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nothing.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "preceding_text": "tributing to inflationary pressure because of their borrowing needs. As the Committee knows, we do not expect to have to seek any new money at all from the gilt-edged market. If additional restraints are needed, we shall have available the power to use one or both of the new economic regulators. Perhaps I could put the position best in question and answer form. What does the Budget do for exports?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1176.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1187.3", "colnum": "1187", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "t of all the Ways and Means Resolutions which were moved on Budget day the only one selected by the Leader of the Opposition for a Division was that concerning the vehicle Excise licence duties. After all, it was the right hon. Gentleman, when he was Chancellor, who increased the duty on every gallon of petrol in a year when Government expenditure on new roads amounted to only £3·2 million.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1187.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1187.3", "colnum": "1187", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": ";2 million, but £88 million. What my right hon. and learned Friend is proposing must, by any standards, be considered a moderate increase in the annual licence duty. Quite apart from that, I ask the Committee to consider the proposed increase against the history and background of this part of our fiscal system. The plain fact is that in the past few years motor licences have been remarkably cheap.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1187.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1190.0", "colnum": "1190", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "s \"all the increases introduced by Tory Chancellors\". In effect, there has been only one increase. The tax went up at the time of Suez and came down again afterwards. In 1951, the Leader of the Opposition increased the petrol duty by 4½d., from 1s. 6d. to 1s. 10½d. per gallon. In March, 1952, the duty was increased to 2s. 6d. and it is still 2s. 6d. per gallon. The point I am making—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1190.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1191.3", "colnum": "1191", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Tell them in Doncaster.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": " this Committee, the most controversial proposals which my right hon. and Learned Friend has made are those concerning Surtax. Several hon. Members opposite, including the right hon. Member for Huyton, have done their utmost to tie up the health charges and the National Health Service contributions with the Surtax reductions. To do that is merely to close one's eyes to two highly relevant factors.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1191.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1191.3", "colnum": "1191", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "s simply to fly in the face of reality. Hon. Members opposite consider it outrageous that an executive earning £5,000 a year should keep £3,600, or that a man earning £10,000 a year should not pay more than £4,000 in tax. That view ignores the basic fact that there are many men and women who have a great deal to contribute, but who are deterred by high taxation from making their full contribution.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1191.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "That might have something to do with the fact that under the Conservative Government incomes have gone up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "istortions and injustices of the economic system, we find those in the greatest need. He makes them—the old, the disabled, the war pensioner and the sick—the first charge on the national wealth.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 18th April, 1961; Vol. 638. c. 994.] Those are fine words, but is the right hon. Gentleman really proud of what his Government did for the old-age pensioners, who, of course, pay no tax?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": " need. He makes them—the old, the disabled, the war pensioner and the sick—the first charge on the national wealth.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 18th April, 1961; Vol. 638. c. 994.] Those are fine words, but is the right hon. Gentleman really proud of what his Government did for the old-age pensioners, who, of course, pay no tax? [ Interruption. ] The miserable record of the Labour Government is well known.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1195.4", "colnum": "1195", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "s, would deny that things have gone much better during the Conservative Government's reign of office; and the reason we have been able to do better than the Labour Government is not because we were not more desirous of helping the old, but simply because our society has grown more prosperous, and the relief it is proposed to give to the Surtax payer is considered by many people to be long overdue.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1195.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1211.5", "colnum": "1211", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It was a better speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": "mber for Kettering (Mr. Mitchison). I was remarking about something which happened yesterday. However, I will say to the hon. and learned Member that I hope he appreciates that we on this side gave him a very fair hearing today although he said some very rude things about the Chancellor and about the Budget. We gave him a much better hearing than was given to my hon. Friend the Economic Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1211.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1211.5", "colnum": "1211", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": " a better speech.\"] It seems that when the Economic Secretary brings out a few facts they are not listened to in silence or in the way that we listen to such things on this side of the Committee. The hon. and learned Member for Kettering took up the cry which, no doubt, will be reiterated throughout the country. He tried to link the National Health Service contributions with the Surtax remissions.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1211.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1214.2", "colnum": "1214", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": " high Profits Tax, in my view, tend to make industrialists want to push up their rate of profit slightly in order to take care of the higher tax and, therefore, industry generally tends to push up prices. So while I am quite sure that this Budget will damp down claims for higher salaries in the Surtax ranges, through the remissions which have been given, there will be a tendency to push up prices—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1214.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1226.1", "colnum": "1226", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Margaret Thatcher", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Margaret Thatcher", "preceding_text": "e middle as well. The figures given there relate to total Government expenditure at the national and at the local level. It compares total Government expenditure as thus defined to total gross national product at factor cost. The figures on page 4 show that Government expenditure has risen from 9 per cent. of the gross national product in 1890 to 42 per cent. in 1952, and was 37 per cent. in 1959.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1226.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1262.2", "colnum": "1262", "heading": "BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "More what?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maurice Macmillan", "preceding_text": " as well as some increase of carrot. I hope that I am right in reading this into what the Chancellor and the President of the Board of Trade had to say, because there is a disappointing element in this Budget. Those of us who are pleased at the way in which the Chancellor and the Treasury are tackling the future should not allow our pleasure to prevent us from expressing our desire for still more.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1262.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1313.3", "colnum": "1313", "heading": "WELFARE FOODS", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. White", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Dried milk.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. White", "preceding_text": "The definition of welfare food in the Order says that \"'welfare foods' means milk….\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1313.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1323.10", "colnum": "1323", "heading": "WELFARE FOODS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"All of them?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "I think this Order must be looked at after asking the question, can the mass of the people in this country afford to pay the proper price? In order to answer that question it would be reasonable to look at what they at present spend their money on.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1323.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1325.0", "colnum": "1325", "heading": "WELFARE FOODS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Not all the people.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "I will prove to the hon. Member that many of them do not want those subsidies. The Ministry of Health Report for 1959 on the National Health Service states on page 197: Sales of National Dried Milk have been falling since 1950 owing to the expansion of the demand for branded baby foods. Here is a situation where a welfare service subsidised by the State is being ignored by the people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1325.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-19", "file": "debates1961-04-19a.xml", "sha256": "e0fea8dafe69da0a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1326.1", "colnum": "1326", "heading": "WELFARE FOODS", "cue_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mahon", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. J. Dickson Mahon", "preceding_text": "st. This is not a quantitative responsibility; it is a qualitative one. This is where the hon. Member and his friends are going wrong. We have a responsibility even unto the meanest, and most humble and ignorant of our citizens, and if by this Order we cause some children to be afflicted by a preventable disease, the responsibility lies on the Government and hon. Members opposite who support them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-19a.1326.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1371.6", "colnum": "1371", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Which one?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Moore", "preceding_text": "This Question has been put down to rectify a stupid blunder I made last week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1371.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1379.7", "colnum": "1379", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "preceding_text": "Does not the Secretary of State realise that the African people in Southern Rhodesia look upon this country as the protecting Power and that they regard the protective clauses in the Constitution as their safeguard against exploitation by the tiny white minority in the country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1379.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1405.7", "colnum": "1405", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "bulk of this extravagance has nothing to do with overseas. It is on the home front. Finally, I want to look at the economic regulators in the general picture of the Budget and the satellite Budgets that went before it. I cannot help feeling that in all these things—the triple budgetary transactions we have seen in the last three years—the Government are out to hit the worker and curb the consumer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1405.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1420.1", "colnum": "1420", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "d a great deal to say about what he termed social justice. Obviously we are here dealing with deep divisions of political attitude—divisions which probably, more than anything else, decide on which side of the Committee we sit. But I should like to say, for myself, that justice consists in giving everybody his or her due and in the recognition that everyone has an equal right to be treated fairly.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1420.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1473.1", "colnum": "1473", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "That is the last point I want to make. Yes, I do.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1473.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1505.1", "colnum": "1505", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman is right—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1505.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1516.1", "colnum": "1516", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BUDGET RESOLUTIONS AND ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Hon. Members: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": " A man who is earning £5,000 gross today is not rich unless he has large private means as well. No doubt forty or fifty years ago, on that sort of income, one could have had a house in London, a house in the country, a large domestic staff and still have been able to save. But today a man earning £5,000 gross, unless he has private means, has the greatest difficulty in providing out of his income—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1516.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-20", "file": "debates1961-04-20a.xml", "sha256": "4cfe29221088c2dd", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1539.1", "colnum": "1539", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I am talking about general controls.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-20a.1539.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-21", "file": "debates1961-04-21a.xml", "sha256": "857966922c4eeb83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-21a.1607.0", "colnum": "1607", "heading": "Clause 10.—(APPLICATION TO CARRIAGE BY AIR NOT GOVERNED BY CONVENTION.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "preceding_text": "I am much obliged to the hon. Gentleman. There seems to me to be almost insuperable objection to accepting this Amendment. We all know it to be in the wrong form.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-21a.1607.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.35.0", "colnum": "35", "heading": "LAOS (CEASE-FIRE AND CONFERENCE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why the United States in particular?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "Can the Minister say whether the cease-fire arrangements include the cessation of military aid to either side in Laos, and whether an assurance has been received from the Soviet Union, and the United States, in particular—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.35.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.106.1", "colnum": "106", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. A. Marquand", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. A. Marquand", "preceding_text": "g collective action to ensure this. Our relationship with South Africa is now, or will be very soon, that which applies to foreign countries. Surely, our sheet anchor of policy in determining our relationship with South Africa in future, as with every foreign country, should be the maintenance of the United Nations and its authority. If this is right in the Congo, it must be right in South Africa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.106.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.106.1", "colnum": "106", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. A. Marquand", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. A. Marquand", "preceding_text": "tions in regard to trade with the Union of South Africa? I think that it is obvious that trade between two nations is of benefit to both. If it were not, it would not take place. As my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition has already said, in the debate of 22nd March, we do not take the standpoint that all trade should cease. We do not advocate a complete trade boycott with South Africa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.106.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.124.3", "colnum": "124", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "crocodile tears and said that he regretted the Bill, but I believe the tears that were more honestly and deeply felt were those of the hon. Member who followed him—the right hon. Member for Colne Valley (Mr. Glenvil Hall). It is not enough for us to weep crocodile tears over this affair. It is not enough to sit smugly here and accept what is happening now. I hope and pray that I shall be in order—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.124.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.124.3", "colnum": "124", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "the speech of the right hon. Member for Middlesbrough, East (Mr. Marquand) and the very sober and uninspired speech of my right hon. Friend, it is possible that it is not a bad thing for somebody to try to wake up the House. Here we are discussing for the first time ever a Bill of this nature. Here we are discussing a tragic event, and how many hon. Members are present on either side of the House?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.124.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-24", "file": "debates1961-04-24a.xml", "sha256": "a61793df9469c980", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.126.3", "colnum": "126", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "I humbly apologise, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, for going so wide of order. If I may, I shall try to get within order by relating my grounds for saying that this is an unprecedented Bill. There is no precedent for this Bill in our House of Commons. This is the first time that a country of the British Commonwealth of Nations has left the British Commonwealth.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-24a.126.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-25", "file": "debates1961-04-25a.xml", "sha256": "ed29668af727b8ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.209.3", "colnum": "209", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wade", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"£1,750.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wade", "preceding_text": "n and to save, may I ask him, first, whether he is assuming that all Surtax payers send their children to fee-paying schools, or, in his calculation, does he envisage some extension of fee-paying? Secondly, if it is so difficult for a man earning £5,000 a year to provide for the education of his children and to save, has the Chancellor any proposals for helping those earning £2,000 a year or less?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.209.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-25", "file": "debates1961-04-25a.xml", "sha256": "ed29668af727b8ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.210.0", "colnum": "210", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "Substantial efforts have been made to alleviate the problem for lower-income groups in the past—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.210.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-25", "file": "debates1961-04-25a.xml", "sha256": "ed29668af727b8ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.230.5", "colnum": "230", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF WORKS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "Why did the Minister, in his original Answer, give inaccurate information?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.230.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-25", "file": "debates1961-04-25a.xml", "sha256": "ed29668af727b8ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.340.1", "colnum": "340", "heading": "Orders of the Day — DEPARTMENT OF TECHNICAL CO-OPERATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "oing to cut commitments in the way of overseas aid. The right hon. Member for Middlesbrough, East made other points to which I want to refer. He said that we should have a system of priorities over the whole field both in respect of Government and private investment. This question which I thought he was raising by implication of whether we should have more control over private investment overseas—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.340.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-25", "file": "debates1961-04-25a.xml", "sha256": "ed29668af727b8ae", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.369.1", "colnum": "369", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HYDE PARK (UNDERGROUND PARKING) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "preceding_text": "ernment, in order to offset the balance on the expenditure which some of us think is unjustifiable not so very far away.\" We hear of the possibility of a return on capital of 8 per cent. Here at several points in this operation we have financial interests, contracting interests, oil and petrol vested interests and every other kind of harpy, vulture and parasite which preys on private enterprising.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-25a.369.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.413.2", "colnum": "413", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CUBA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman and the Government are not prepared to urge an inquiry into how the invasion last week took place, will the right hon. Gentleman say whether Her Majesty's Government are now making representations to the United States Government that the offence should not be repeated?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.413.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.422.2", "colnum": "422", "heading": "HOUSE OF LORDS (JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": "Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.422.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.423.4", "colnum": "423", "heading": "HOUSE OF LORDS (JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shut up.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Pickthorn", "preceding_text": "Oh, yes—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.423.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.423.5", "colnum": "423", "heading": "HOUSE OF LORDS (JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense. \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "—and that the Leader of the Opposition must be allowed to make a few comments not purely in the form of questions—although I shall put one or two questions in a moment. I believe that, as far as it goes, this step constitutes a victory for Mr. Wedgwood Benin.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.423.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.424.2", "colnum": "424", "heading": "HOUSE OF LORDS (JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. C. Pannell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. C. Pannell", "preceding_text": "hurchill) certainly went far beyond anything that my right hon. Friend has done? Was it not generally agreed in the Select Committee on Procedure that if any rules on questions were ever ruined they were ruined by the right hon. Member for Woodford—with the acquiescence of the other side? Has it not been stated by at least three Speakers that the Leader of the Opposition is in a peculiar position—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.424.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-04-26", "file": "debates1961-04-26a.xml", "sha256": "4e5fecd94b2acc4f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.522.2", "colnum": "522", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE (RECOMMITTED) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Major Sir William Anstruther-Gray)", "preceding_text": "Is it the wish of the House that the Motion and Clause be withdrawn?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-26a.522.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.598.3", "colnum": "598", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "That, of course, is another question.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.598.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.0", "colnum": "609", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HONG KONG", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "al officers are being treated differently, depending on whether they are single or married; that married women are not allowed by the Government of Hong Kong to have permanent employment in Government service, and that therefore it is only single women who have served a probationary period of four years who are getting equal pay, although the Salaries Commission insisted that they should all have—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.3", "colnum": "609", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HONG KONG", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "No, Sir.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.3", "colnum": "609", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HONG KONG", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] We cannot look at this matter again because it is evident, in the light of what the hon. Lady has said, that we have not been misled. The Governor is doing what he can to implement the Report and it is a perfectly well established custom in Hong Kong that people who are married cannot be regarded as career officers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.609.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.610.0", "colnum": "610", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HONG KONG", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. White", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. White", "preceding_text": "Surely the hon. Gentleman is aware that Hong Kong is notorious for its discrimination against professional women—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.610.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.646.1", "colnum": "646", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NEW PENSION SCHEME", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Pensions and National Insurance (Miss Patricia Hornsby-Smith)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Pensions and National Insurance (Miss Patricia Hornsby-Smith)", "preceding_text": "I have listened with great interest to the speech of the hon. Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton). I hope to deal with most of the points that he raised and with the case set out in the recently published document of the Labour Party entitled, \"The Pensions Fraud. A Guide to the Tory Scheme for Poverty in Old Age\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.646.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-27", "file": "debates1961-04-27a.xml", "sha256": "066659a588e99ea5", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.732.1", "colnum": "732", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRUNK PIPELINES BILL (By Order)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. T. H. H. Skeet", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. H. H. Skeet", "preceding_text": "an supplier presented his products at one end of the line? They would be bound to be carried although such a course might be of great detriment to this country. Last year, the Italians made a contract with the Soviet Government for the purchase of 12 million tons of oil. If a common carrier pipeline were established in the United Kingdom, we might find Russian oil being imported into this country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-27a.732.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-04-28", "file": "debates1961-04-28a.xml", "sha256": "d0e208e5004b173b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-28a.763.8", "colnum": "763", "heading": "TRANSPORT (PARKING)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Goodhew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Goodhew", "preceding_text": ". Once people have enjoyed the convenience of the motor car they quite naturally make the best use of it that they can on every possible occasion and are loath to walk even short distances. The motor car encourages this type of laziness. I must confess that I am probably among the laziest of motorists in the country. I live only three or four minutes from the House, yet I seldom come here on foot.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-04-28a.763.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.888.3", "colnum": "888", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "May I assure the hon. Gentleman that I regret it too, because in February of this year, which is quite a long time ago, the hon. Gentleman told me—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.888.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.888.3", "colnum": "888", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "May I assure the hon. Gentleman that I regret it too, because in February of this year, which is quite a long time ago, the hon. Gentleman told me—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"]—the hon. Gentleman told me—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.888.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.916.4", "colnum": "916", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "h other ships which are heavily subsidised and say to it, \"We will give you no subsidy\", it is obvious that it will not live in the competitive race. We must bear that in mind. There was a letter in The Times today which asked why a firm should have a subsidy. We must compare like with like. If it is to meet competition which is subsidised, it is folly to think that it can do so without a subsidy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.916.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.929.1", "colnum": "929", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. R. Strauss", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. R. Strauss", "preceding_text": " no doubt, be put to him from hon. Members sitting behind him. We had rather hoped—anyhow, I had, personally—that the new Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Transport would have taken his plunge today as a Front Bench speaker and given us his views. However, although the is not to speak, apparently, I should like to take this opportunity of congratulating him warmly on his promotion—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.929.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.933.6", "colnum": "933", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "preceding_text": "I will give figures year by year if my hon. Friend would like to have them, but I have tried to show that the sea crossings have fallen.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.933.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.934.1", "colnum": "934", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Strauss", "preceding_text": "If they are indulging in folly, that is no reason why we should do likewise.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.934.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.966.1", "colnum": "966", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Montgomery", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Montgomery", "preceding_text": "I beg pardon—\"Queens\". There is a very famous shipyard in my constituency, and I used that fact in my election manifesto to help me in my campaign—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.966.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.978.0", "colnum": "978", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rodgers", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rodgers", "preceding_text": " be accurate. They are based mainly on Board of Trade figures and therefore, I have some belief in them. According to my information, in the last full year, 750,000 people have crossed the Atlantic by air and less than half that number have gone by sea. It would, therefore, appear that the number of people travelling by air is going up while the number travelling by sea is going down all the time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.978.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1040.1", "colnum": "1040", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "The eyes of the Commonwealth are on us at this time, and to enter upon this discussion tonight, when the opportunities of what we have to say being reported in the Press and being carried round the Commonwealth—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1040.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1067.2", "colnum": "1067", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Castle", "preceding_text": "I am on the Amendment, Mr. Williams. I was just about to refer to the speech made by my right hon. Friend, which was on the Amendment, who was certainly not called to order by you in the course of his speech.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1067.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1076.5", "colnum": "1076", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "subsection simply contains a list of the countries in question, including South Africa, without, however, any reference to membership of the Commonwealth. This will remain the position, even though South Africa leaves the Commonwealth on 31st May, unless and until the Nationality Acts are amended.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 24th April, 1961; Vol. 639, c.178–9.] I have said this over and over again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1076.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-01", "file": "debates1961-05-01a.xml", "sha256": "1f557abda5f7aea8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1076.5", "colnum": "1076", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": " South Africa, without, however, any reference to membership of the Commonwealth. This will remain the position, even though South Africa leaves the Commonwealth on 31st May, unless and until the Nationality Acts are amended.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 24th April, 1961; Vol. 639, c.178–9.] I have said this over and over again. [ Interruption. ] The hon. Lady was not following me in the first place.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-01a.1076.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1102.2", "colnum": "1102", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "preceding_text": "Since the Tory Party believes in a property-owning democracy—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1102.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1105.6", "colnum": "1105", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Is the Chancellor aware that this document is being sent to civic authorities and mayors of towns, but that there is no evidence whatsoever that Jomo Kenyatta was responsible—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1105.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1106.0", "colnum": "1106", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why not?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "Will the Chancellor make it quite plain that the Government do not condone the circulation of this document?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1105.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1126.3", "colnum": "1126", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE COLONIES (STATEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What colour?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "But is my right hon. Friend aware that his colleague said that the Government had no plans to halt immigration from any Commonwealth country at present? In my right hon. Friend's opinion, is there any limit to the number of coloured immigrants that this country can safely absorb? If there is, will he say what that limit is likely to be?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1126.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1127.0", "colnum": "1127", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE COLONIES (STATEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Osborne", "preceding_text": "In view of the fact that over the last two or three years various Ministers have said that the Government have this matter under consideration, may I ask my right hon. Friend whether he will please say when they will make up their mind about it? The people of this country are more concerned about this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1127.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1142.1", "colnum": "1142", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE (RECOMMITTED) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": "the hon. Member for Bristol, South-East (Mr. Benn) put to me—namely, against the whole of the Act continuing at all—would be a very arid and academic one.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 3rd December, 1957; Vol. 579, c.227–32.] So we arrive at the position there, and this was confirmed again after further argument by Mr. Speaker the following year when, again, my hon. Friend raised a question of order.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1142.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1190.4", "colnum": "1190", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE (RECOMMITTED) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "The difficulty is, Sir Gordon, that the two Amendments have been moved by the hon. and learned Gentleman—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1190.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1241.1", "colnum": "1241", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE (RECOMMITTED) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not for all time.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "ny case, the hon. Gentleman is wrong, but if you say that it is getting outside the terms of this Amendment, Mr. Arbuthnot, I do not think that we want to stray too wide. What I am suggesting is that in so far as my hon. Friend said that the individual might well change his mind, the hon. Member opposite makes the point that he is obligated for all time by that decision which he takes at one time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1241.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1252.3", "colnum": "1252", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE (RECOMMITTED) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "t. I see nothing wrong in the Government trying to recruit people. I personally should like to see a larger conventional Army. I am not quarrelling on this point. But I am saying, and I repeat, that the Government spend a considerable sum of money in painting the Army as a place of almost perpetual attractiveness. The Government do not show pictures of men scrubbing floors or marching through mud.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1252.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1253.11", "colnum": "1253", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": " without real knowledge of what the Army is like. He does so on the basis of glossy posters and of small advertisements in newspapers. If he joins the Navy he does so believing that he will spend his time wandering round the world visiting exotic places. He may well do so, but he may also spend quite a lot of his time sitting on his bed blancoeing his equipment and doing all sorts of other duties.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1253.11"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1254.1", "colnum": "1254", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I am not saying that. I am sorry that the hon. and gallant Member has misunderstood what I have been saying.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1254.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1284.2", "colnum": "1284", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "posite, the hon. and gallant Member for The Hartlepools (Commander Kerans), who made a couple of interjections, and he also was greeted with particularly unpleasant and un-comradely looks from his own Front Bench and since then he also has vanished. There is a lot of this Bill and it is not unimportant to discuss it properly with contributions from both sides of the Committee in a debating manner.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1284.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1289.7", "colnum": "1289", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Gentleman will allow the hon. Member for Port Talbot", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1289.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1291.3", "colnum": "1291", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "preceding_text": "esence that they are vitally interested in the Army and Air Force Bill. I know, for example, that the hon. and gallant Member for Worthing (Sir O. Prior-Palmer), to whose speeches I have listened with great interest over a large number of years, has considered it his patriotic duty to be present and ready on occasion to give us the benefit of his advice, but, unfortunately, he has been suppressed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1291.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1304.3", "colnum": "1304", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "I understood all that, Sir William, but I gathered that you thought that these Amendments warranted discussion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1304.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1304.5", "colnum": "1304", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "he others, I should have thought that we were entitled to ask you not to force us either to take them together or to lose them. The issue is that there are a number of Amendments which we thought we ought to move, and clearly you, Sir William, of your own volition, came to the view that they should be discussed, but it is difficult for us to discuss them together because they do not hang together.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1304.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1316.2", "colnum": "1316", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "preceding_text": "We are in a considerable difficulty here. Hon. Members feel so keenly on the points that they are making. The question that we are going to decide is on the Amendment in page 2, line 12, to leave out paragraph ( a ), and once that is decided, as it seems to me, the subsequent Amendments will fall.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1316.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-02", "file": "debates1961-05-02a.xml", "sha256": "7b1b0854047a3cab", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1326.0", "colnum": "1326", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY AND AIR FORCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "o was to make sure that a man who entered into a 22-year engagement should get a fair crack of the whip by having an engagement which was pensionable, and that is what all these Amendments set out to do. My hon. Friend the Member for South Ayrshire brought tears to his own eyes but not to mine when he dealt with the spectacle of the young man who was entering in 1961 into an engagement until 1983.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-02a.1326.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1365.7", "colnum": "1365", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TENTS (TRANSPORT TO ITALY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "Is the hon. Gentleman aware that although this sum is relatively small, it has offended many people in the country?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1365.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1370.7", "colnum": "1370", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CUBA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether it is not the case that while the American Government have denied giving direct military aid to the abortive invasion, it is now clear that they gave very widespread indirect aid? Has not President Kennedy made clear that this is likely to be repeated, and, just as America restrained us when we attacked Suez—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1370.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1370.7", "colnum": "1370", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CUBA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether it is not the case that while the American Government have denied giving direct military aid to the abortive invasion, it is now clear that they gave very widespread indirect aid? Has not President Kennedy made clear that this is likely to be repeated, and, just as America restrained us when we attacked Suez—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"]—would not it be a good thing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1370.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1391.1", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "preceding_text": "I have evidence from my constituency relating to one domestic in a large house who has definite complaints about bad conditions and being asked to work long hours for no added pay. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that, in making further inquiries, I have found that such things seem to be more widespread than is generally known—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1391.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1396.8", "colnum": "1396", "heading": "SHIP-REPAIRING DISPUTE, LIVERPOOL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Logan", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Logan", "preceding_text": "n many of them were injured and killed, do the shipowners of Liverpool think that an appropriate reward to the workers is to keep them out of work for 16 weeks and to let their families want? I do not think that they are aware of their moral obligations. I have represented the people of Liverpool for thirty-one-and-a-half years. Is it not time that something was done for these men? I want to know—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1396.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1396.8", "colnum": "1396", "heading": "SHIP-REPAIRING DISPUTE, LIVERPOOL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Logan", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Logan", "preceding_text": " 16 weeks and to let their families want? I do not think that they are aware of their moral obligations. I have represented the people of Liverpool for thirty-one-and-a-half years. Is it not time that something was done for these men? I want to know—[ Laughter. ] I am pleased to see hon. Members on the Government benches smiling, for whenever I meet them in the Lobby they have the most ugly faces.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1396.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1408.0", "colnum": "1408", "heading": "Orders of the Day — REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (TEMPORARY PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations (Mr. Duncan Sandys)", "preceding_text": "deal with them as best I can. The hon. Member for Dundee, East (Mr. G. M. Thomson) raised the question of the application of the Bill to the 1952 Act, and complained that my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary was \"muddle-minded\" about this matter. I can assure hon. Members that the Parliamentary Secretary was perfectly correct in what he said. The Bill does not affect the application of the 1952 Act.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1408.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1517.3", "colnum": "1517", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "gly to lodgers. I know that that is not the intention of my hon. Friends, but that is what this proposal would do. It would cause serious damage all over the country and would do nothing about boarding houses or houses competing with boarding houses. I therefore hope that the Amendment will not be pressed. So much for the technicalities. I now come to the substance of the complaint that there are—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1517.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1525.3", "colnum": "1525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL (RECOMMITTED)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harris", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harris", "preceding_text": "te rate-ability of the administrative offices of these three undertakings. The Clauses will take effect from 1st April, 1963, when the new valuation list comes into force. The first of the new Clauses deals with the gas boards. Until 1955 the law relating to gas undertakings came under the genral rating law and they were assessed on the annual rental value calculated on the basis of annual profit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1525.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1542.2", "colnum": "1542", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL (RECOMMITTED)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": " that my hon. Friend has put on the Order Paper, and in the course of my remarks I had to add that if they were accepted—this is certainly so in the case of the third, relating to the British Transport Commission—all the other rating areas which had Transport Commission hereditaments within their boundaries would find themselves most unfairly treated by the operation of my hon. Friend's proposals.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1542.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-03", "file": "debates1961-05-03a.xml", "sha256": "6bbbe69140bdb7e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1547.1", "colnum": "1547", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL (RECOMMITTED)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Rees", "preceding_text": "e Clauses, he will get little bits and pieces which are quite incapable of valuation, because their only value appertains so long as they are part of an integrated unit. That is the reason why a public utility undertaking has to be valued on a cumulo basis. The statement of my right hon. Friend the Minister that he will set up a working party to look into this whole matter is a great step forward.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-03a.1547.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1591.4", "colnum": "1591", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Browne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Browne", "preceding_text": "I thought that there were two separate Questions here. However, I will ask two supplementary questions together. First, in considering representations from the N.F.U. as such, will my hon. Friend bear in mind that, unlike any other industry in this country, any increase in cost cannot be passed on to the consumer?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1591.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1592.4", "colnum": "1592", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ridley", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ridley", "preceding_text": "Has my hon. Friend's attention been drawn to an article in today's Farming Express , which says that Britain is to join the Common Market and that the Conservative Chief Whip has given Tory Members for agricultural constituencies a confidential briefing on this subject?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1592.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.2", "colnum": "1599", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC INQUIRIES", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lipton", "preceding_text": "Is the Prime Minister aware that widespread and responsible public opinion views with considerable disfavour the slippery tactics of the Minister of Housing and Local Government and the Lord Chancellor in connection with the chalk pit inquiry?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.6", "colnum": "1599", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC INQUIRIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "The Prime Minister's absolving the Lord Chancellor from a charge of being \"slippery\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.6", "colnum": "1599", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC INQUIRIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "The Prime Minister's absolving the Lord Chancellor from a charge of being \"slippery\"—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"]—is a very interesting and remarkable thing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.7", "colnum": "1599", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC INQUIRIES", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "ster's absolving the Lord Chancellor from a charge of being \"slippery\"—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"]—is a very interesting and remarkable thing—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"] Are you aware, Sir, that the case of Satan rebuking sin is one thing, but Satan encouraging sin is a different matter altogether? Slippery is slippery, whether it is the Lord Chancellor or the Prime Minister, and both are experts.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1599.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1600.4", "colnum": "1600", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PUBLIC INQUIRIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "Yes, and the rules of order also require—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1600.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1608.3", "colnum": "1608", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "May I support the hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. M. Foot)—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1608.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1612.7", "colnum": "1612", "heading": "SECURITY PROCEDURES (CASE OF GEORGE BLAKE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ah.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. I listened to the B.B.C. news at one o'clock and the point was very definitely made that an appeal was going to be made—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1612.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1617.2", "colnum": "1617", "heading": "SECURITY PROCEDURES (CASE OF GEORGE BLAKE)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "The point has been raised whether it was wise to employ in Government service a man who had been a prisoner in Communist hands.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1617.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1623.3", "colnum": "1623", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "direct taxation, I believe that many people in the managerial and professional classes have been suffering a substantial disincentive. The second criticism is that I have been unfair to Surtax payers who have investment incomes only. I am not in favour of too great a distinction between earned incomes and investment incomes, because the latter is very often derived from savings from past earnings.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1623.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1634.3", "colnum": "1634", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "of the incidence of taxation, and I gave figures about the gross income which would have been needed in 1937 and 1912 to be equivalent, after taxation, to a gross income of £5,000 today. I repeat the figures. The equivalent in 1937 was £1,400, and in 1912 £770. But, leaving on one side the wealth of the persons benefited, my real object is to give a dynamic boost to the economy by these proposals.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1634.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1658.1", "colnum": "1658", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "preceding_text": "t rich unless he has large private means as well. No doubt forty or fifty years ago, on that sort of income, one could have had a house in London, a house in the country, a large domestic staff and still have been able to save. But today a man earning £5,000 gross\"— and think of the poor Members of Parliament— unless he has private means, has the greatest difficulty in providing out of his income—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1658.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1672.1", "colnum": "1672", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Woodburn", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Woodburn", "preceding_text": "n my life. We heard a woman speak who went charring in the mornings and of her husband, who otherwise could have afforded a car, cycling to work and teaching at night-school in order to send their one ewe lamb to a public school. Others were doing similar things. When the question was asked why they did it, a noble Lord who took part in the programme had to admit that it was very largely snobbery.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1672.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1691.1", "colnum": "1691", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Alexander Spearman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Alexander Spearman", "preceding_text": "at is likely to decline by more than £350 million, which is the amount of the balance of payments deficit. The second reason why I believe that this is a very notable Budget and will, I hope, be a pattern for Conservative thought in future is that my right hon. and learned Friend seems to be striking at poverty rather than at inequality. I do not believe that the nation as a whole minds very much—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1691.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-04", "file": "debates1961-05-04a.xml", "sha256": "5e7e3be3c8a50be9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1721.0", "colnum": "1721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir B. Craddock", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir B. Craddock", "preceding_text": "My objection was that the right hon. Gentleman is too inclined to indulge in bitter personal attacks—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-04a.1721.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-05", "file": "debates1961-05-05a.xml", "sha256": "caa16003eb225b58", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-05a.1834.1", "colnum": "1834", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Goodhart", "preceding_text": "I apologise to my hon. Friend for not having given way to him. I did not see him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-05a.1834.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-05", "file": "debates1961-05-05a.xml", "sha256": "caa16003eb225b58", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-05a.1835.2", "colnum": "1835", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. Wells", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. Wells", "preceding_text": "ation. Even so, I dislike some of the vagueness of it. I dislike these large nebulous powers which have been given to the Government by a Private Member's Bill. I have great objection to that. Furthermore, I do not believe that one can protect a fool from his own folly. That is quite impossible. I am the father of a number of small children, and I know the hazards that we all have who are parents.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-05a.1835.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.35.0", "colnum": "35", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Our rule is that matters awaiting the adjudication of a court of law should not be brought forward in debate. It would seem to me virtually impossible to discuss the matters arising in this case if the rule be strictly adhered to. The object of the rule is to prevent prejudice.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.35.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.36.1", "colnum": "36", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And to vote.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "he Member for Belfast, West. His right to sit here was challenged. It was referred to a Select Committee. It was referred to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, but, while that reference was made, and while the Judicial Committee was considering it, Mr. MacManaway was not merely allowed to come into the House and address it; he was allowed to take his seat and speak as an ordinary Member.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.36.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.36.1", "colnum": "36", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "rospect; all that we are asking is that MR. Benn should be allowed to speak at the Bar. There has been another change which we must take into account. On the last occasion when the House considered a similar Motion I am glad to say that a number of hon. Members opposite supported us in the Lobby. Most of them could be said to come from what one would describe as the Left of the Conservative Party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.36.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.42.1", "colnum": "42", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "behind the debate that is taking place on whether Mr. Benn should be heard there is deep and sensitive feeling about the House of Commons, and I would hasten to add that there will be nothing personal whatever in any of the remarks that I propose to make in my speech in which I shall say that I think it undesirable that Mr. Benn should be heard—for constitutional reasons which I shall put forward.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.42.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.42.1", "colnum": "42", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "not be heard. The reasons for his not being heard then were valid and convincing. They were, first, that he had been heard before the Committee of Privileges. He was heard at great length. His own witnesses and friends were heard by the Committee of Privileges on purpose. The whole of his case is recorded in the Committee of Privileges Report. I went to speak in the South-East Bristol by-election.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.42.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.59.1", "colnum": "59", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Of the House.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": "iding body—any more than Mr. Benn was heard by the deciding body here. The shop steward, a character called Fred Kite, played by Peter Sellers, had to indicate the decision of this body to Stanley Windrush. This is how the conversation in the film went, and this is what happend in the cinema when I was there. Fred Kite's part was taken here by the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.59.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.68.1", "colnum": "68", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "The right hon. and learned Gentleman relies on that argument, but may I put this to him? Other Members who have been petitioned against have sat in the House while the petitions were down. Let us suppose that Mr. Wedgwood Benn wishes to address us to suggest that he should act in the same way as other Members who have sat in the House while there were petitions against them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.68.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.76.3", "colnum": "76", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bowles", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bowles", "preceding_text": "It is putting the House in an awkward position. We do not know what the Government are moving.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.76.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.76.4", "colnum": "76", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"With a three-line Whip.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "n, because I shall bring all that into the remarks that I propose to make. It is not the object of the Motion to prejudge the issue before the Election Court. Its object is to maintain the status quo pending the decision of that Court. Therefore, it is up to me, according to Mr. Speaker's Ruling, to prove the various propositions in the Motion and then to hope that it will be carried by the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.76.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.84.0", "colnum": "84", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why should there be.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "xity of the problem and of our normal way of doing things under the British constitution. Much the same difficulties were raised in 1948 under the Labour Government as are before us now and there is the problem of other cases which are absolutely analogous of that of Mr. Benn. I am certain that my colleagues on the Committee of Privileges would agree that there was no lack of courtesy to Mr. Benn.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.84.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.86.1", "colnum": "86", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "That is a matter for discussion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.86.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.86.1", "colnum": "86", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Move the suspension.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "That is a matter for discussion. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] It is a matter for discussion because—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.86.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.88.1", "colnum": "88", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "On an occasion when the House is being asked virtually to make history and to deal with a fundamental issue, I must confess that my feeling, on listening to the three Government Front Bench speeches which we have so far heard, is that of an extraordinary sense of its falling below the level there. The ground has been changed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.88.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.88.1", "colnum": "88", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": ", we then voted against the Committee's Report as a whole. The right hon. Gentleman did not inform the House of that. Therefore, there is really no conflict here, but, as I shall try to show in a moment, what I think the Home Secretary and a number of people are missing is that the holding of a by-election arising out of a series of actions by the Government has created a completely new situation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.88.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.97.3", "colnum": "97", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"As a Liberal.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " had to be taken. The action which would have been taken in the case of my hon. Friend could be taken in the case of Mr. Benn if it were necessary. That is not the only precedent. I have not the exaggerated respect which some hon. Members have for precedents. I have, therefore, not spent a lot of time looking them up, but there was the case of Frank Gray, who sat for Oxford City as a Conservative.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.97.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.106.5", "colnum": "106", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Heald", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Heald", "preceding_text": "There are two alternatives. Either will be covered by the certificate and whichever the certificate tells us to do we must accept. It may be a very astonishing thing for Parliament to be told it, but that is a Labour Government's Act and, therefore, we shall be told either to let Mr. Benn come in or not. Therefore, in the interval, to jump the pistol by allowing him in now would be to precipitate—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.106.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.111.1", "colnum": "111", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilkins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It was.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilkins", "preceding_text": "It certainly was intimidation. It was plugged incessantly. Shall I substitute for the word \"intimidation\" the phrase \"frightening the electors into believing that if they voted for Mr. Anthony Wedgwood Benn their vote would be wasted\"?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.111.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.117.1", "colnum": "117", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman is splitting hairs that none of us can see.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.117.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.142.4", "colnum": "142", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": " are are agreed. One of the things on which I believe that there is broad agreement in the House of Commons is the principle which the constituents of Bristol, South-East have decided with their eyes open, in face of all that was said to them by the Conservative Party. Any constituency must be able to choose its own representative and, having chosen that representative, be he a peer or a commoner—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.142.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.146.1", "colnum": "146", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Sir Frank Soskice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Frank Soskice", "preceding_text": " inviting Mr. Benn to come to this House and to take his place. If I may apologise to the right hon. and learned Gentleman the Attorney-General and to those of my hon. and right hon. Friends who belong to the same profession as I, I think that I am right in saying that it is rather an open question in this House whether it is a greater ordeal to listen to us lawyers or to listen to the economists.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.146.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.150.1", "colnum": "150", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "preceding_text": "liament in order to allow Mr. Benn to enter this House and to take his seat—at least, until the Election Court has pronounced on whether or not he is disqualified. The right hon. and learned Member for Chertsey seems to assume that it is a foregone conclusion that the Court will disqualify Mr. Benn. With due deference to the right hon. and learned Gentleman, that is hardly respectful to the Court.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.150.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.160.2", "colnum": "160", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": ". I would like to test that contention by applying it not to the case of a peer, but to the case of a lunatic. In 1868, statutory provision was made for vacating seats of Members who became insane. It would be inconceivable that if an insane person were nominated—and he might be—a person whose seat had been vacated on grounds of insanity should sit and vote despite the House's finding of insanity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.160.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.160.2", "colnum": "160", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What ware the words?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "s never been contradicted about it—that there was real agreement as to the legal position at that time but disagreement as to what should happen about it. A Motion was tabled in the House and carried. What was the next thing that happened? It was the moving of a Motion by the Opposition Chief Whip for the election of someone in the room of Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn. That was inviting Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.160.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-08", "file": "debates1961-05-08a.xml", "sha256": "165abb4557d4054b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.164.1", "colnum": "164", "heading": "MR. ANTHONY NEIL WEDGWOOD BENN", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "That Motion was carried on the basis that Mr. Wedgwood Benn was disqualified. Having done that, and having asked the electors of Bristol to elect someone in Mr. Ream's place, what did the Opposition do? They went there, adopted him as the Official Labour candidate, and they deliberately—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-08a.164.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.210.9", "colnum": "210", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF WORKS", "cue_speaker": "Lord John Hope", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not now?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord John Hope", "preceding_text": "As I have said, I will put the whole Answer in the OFFICIAL REPORT—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.210.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.320.1", "colnum": "320", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Vane", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Vane", "preceding_text": "There is nothing between both sides of the Committee concerning our desire to give a man the safeguards to which we think he is entitled. The only difference between us concerns the best way in which we should do it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.320.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.325.0", "colnum": "325", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Vane", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Vane", "preceding_text": "I cannot be responsible for the suspicions of the hon. Member for Sunderland, North (Mr. Willey).", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.325.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.325.1", "colnum": "325", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Vane", "preceding_text": "I cannot be responsible for the suspicions of the hon. Member for Sunderland, North (Mr. Willey). [ Interruption. ] May I speak by leave of the House?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.325.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.329.0", "colnum": "329", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Denys Bullard", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denys Bullard", "preceding_text": "I very much hope that hon. Gentlemen opposite will not press this matter to a Division.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.329.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.338.0", "colnum": "338", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles A. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles A. Howell", "preceding_text": "he whole of the loaf. But the people of the country have different ideas on the types of loaves they like—and this is one loaf hon. Members on this side of the House do not like. Why? It is simply because if there is one thing that this Government will go down in history as being, it will be as the Government who has treated Parliament with the greatest contempt that any Government has ever shown.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.338.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.338.0", "colnum": "338", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles A. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles A. Howell", "preceding_text": "side of the House. Where the importance of an inquiry is such that the Minister has to take advice, the small man ought to be given the information when his case is turned down. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Belper (Mr. G. Brown) said, the rich man, the big landowner, can have legal advice; he can afford the best advice that money can buy. I do not know whether there are any poor farmers—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.338.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.2", "colnum": "358", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What was that?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "laudable ambition, and we hope the hon. Gentleman will not weary in well doing. But sometimes Ministers are apt to blame us for the desire of hon. Gentlemen opposite to do good, and I just wanted to make sure that we on this side were on this occasion in the clear. In the two and a quarter hours we have been discussing this Measure—I did not like that adjective and it was a little too loudly said—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.3", "colnum": "358", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Slippery?", "preceding_speaker": "Hon. Members", "preceding_text": "What was that?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.4", "colnum": "358", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What was it? Tell us.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "The word was not \"slippery,\" but it was a six-letter word which I am sure would have been ruled unparliamentary if it had reached the Chair. It certainly reached over here. The Patronage Secretary should set a better example, because it is taken up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.358.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.363.2", "colnum": "363", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "Nobody, therefore, can accuse me of having held up the Bill. Instead of speaking for a quarter of an hour, I spoke for five minutes on a matter that really warranted a half-hour speech. I am sure that that my hon. Friend the Member for Kilmarnock (Mr. Ross) is as anxious as I am about the ploughing grants. He made a most important contribution on the subject last year, which he probably remembers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.363.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-09", "file": "debates1961-05-09a.xml", "sha256": "1440739a56b732fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.394.2", "colnum": "394", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND DRAINAGE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "If we have not had correspondence I will tell the hon. Gentleman what I would have written to him had I done so—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-09a.394.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-10", "file": "debates1961-05-10a.xml", "sha256": "27603f571f9b1b1a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.429.1", "colnum": "429", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ramsden", "preceding_text": "No. The Gurkhas will be a welcome accession to the Strategic Reserve, and I think in general the presence of these fine troops in this country will be widely welcomed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.429.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-10", "file": "debates1961-05-10a.xml", "sha256": "27603f571f9b1b1a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.429.6", "colnum": "429", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "There is.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "May I ask the Under-Secretary of State not to be misled by the people behind him? Will he answer the supplementary I have put to him? Are these soldiers, whom we respect, of course—there is no personal attack in this——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.429.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-10", "file": "debates1961-05-10a.xml", "sha256": "27603f571f9b1b1a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.443.1", "colnum": "443", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Careful!\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": "how that only certain parts of any class of hereditament are suitable for formula treatment. That is the reason for subsection (3) which, if possible, will enable an order to be made determining the rateable value by different methods for different parts of a hereditament. The simplest example of that which I can give is an undertaking which may own a cement works and a pit, it may be a chalk pit—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.443.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-10", "file": "debates1961-05-10a.xml", "sha256": "27603f571f9b1b1a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.513.1", "colnum": "513", "heading": "Orders of the Day — RATING AND VALUATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Price", "preceding_text": "Thank you. It was 1956. We adopted 1939 valuation for houses in 1956 and the immediate result was to double the assessments of those houses.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-10a.513.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.637.7", "colnum": "637", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SECURITY (D-NOTICES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "But was it not also the case—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.637.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.647.9", "colnum": "647", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "ual channels. I know that the right hon. Gentleman does not want to divide the House or the country. We are also keen to keep the scope of the debate as wide as possible. Latterly, it has been the custom to have two weeks for the Whitsun Recess, but, formerly, it was usual to have the length of time that we are allotting on this occasion. The Government have made good progress with their business—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.647.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1", "colnum": "668", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "An hon. Member: \"Why did the right hon. Gentleman cause it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "ignation. There are two people who can determine when that happens. One is the Prime Minister and the other, myself. No responsible person can fail bitterly to regret that we are today debating education in Scotland while a very large number of children are being deprived of their normal schooling. Let me make it clear forthwith that I consider the strike a tragedy, and an unnecessary one at that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1", "colnum": "668", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is true.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "out the possibility of employing non-graduate men teachers, and in spite of every effort to explain the functions of the National Joint Council and the Secretary of State's statutory relation to it, I greatly regret that there still appear to be profound misunderstandings. I must use this opportunity to clear them up. The hon. Lady said in her speech that salaries were not the issue of the strike.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1", "colnum": "668", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "s. We are also expanding our central institutions so that they will play their full part along with the universities in increasing the output of scientists and technologists. At the less advanced levels we are providing a network of local technical colleges to support the technicians and craftsmen. At the school stage, the Government have reaffirmed their intention to raise the school-leaving age.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.668.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.695.1", "colnum": "695", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir James Henderson-Stewart", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir James Henderson-Stewart", "preceding_text": "r Glasgow, Shettleston (Sir M. Galpern) understands what I mean by that—but I must tell the Committee that never in those years did I experience other than courtesy, consideration, kindness—I would almost go as far as to say friendship—from those with whom I was in contact. I include the hon. Member for Shettleston among them, because he and I worked together very amicably over a number of years.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.695.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-11", "file": "debates1961-05-11a.xml", "sha256": "a2de571d7ace3025", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.712.4", "colnum": "712", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SCOTTISH EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shame.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Henderson", "preceding_text": "I was about to say that the hon. Member had transferred his son to obtain either the superior educational facilities available at the new school, or because the move would be associated with aristocracy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-11a.712.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-12", "file": "debates1961-05-12a.xml", "sha256": "df9cb687d21395e4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.802.1", "colnum": "802", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NORTHERN IRELAND", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"We have a Whip.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "ibility in the Cabinet for bringing to the attention of Her Majesty's Government the needs of Northern Ireland and for making constructive proposals for tackling this gnawing and aching problem of unemployment? I would have thought that hon. Members opposite would insist that Northern Ireland should be represented with a Minister in the Government especially responsible for Northern Irish affairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.802.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-12", "file": "debates1961-05-12a.xml", "sha256": "df9cb687d21395e4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.884.8", "colnum": "884", "heading": "Orders of the Day — JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS (REGULATION OF REPORTS) ACT, 1926 (AMENDMENT) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "Mr. Fletcher.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.884.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-12", "file": "debates1961-05-12a.xml", "sha256": "df9cb687d21395e4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.884.10", "colnum": "884", "heading": "Orders of the Day — JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS (REGULATION OF REPORTS) ACT, 1926 (AMENDMENT) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eric Fletcher", "preceding_text": "I beg to move——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-12a.884.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.935.1", "colnum": "935", "heading": "H.M.S. \"LEOPARD\" (VISIT TO ANGOLA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": " but in your last observations it seemed that you were moving your ground slightly to considering the merits of the content of the Motion. To some of us Angola is at this moment an extremely important subject. It is one of the greatest crises, one of the greatest danger-spots, in Africa, and intervention, or apparent intervention, by a British warship at this time can have very grave consequences.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.935.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.938.3", "colnum": "938", "heading": "H.M.S. \"LEOPARD\" (VISIT TO ANGOLA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "With great respect, Mr. Speaker, the Standing Order does not ask us to justify a sudden emergency. It asks us to justify urgency. The urgency is that the vessel arrived this morning and sailors may go ashore and be killed in the course of civil war.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.938.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.968.0", "colnum": "968", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pitman", "preceding_text": "rovincial paper. If, as we hope, the Pilkington Committee gives a number of franchises, that would answer entirely the point of the right hon. Member for Huyton. We would then have extra costs which would go in that direction, rather than in the other, but much of those costs would come back to the consumer in a subsidised entertainment for television. I beg leave to ask to withdraw the Amendment?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.967.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.977.0", "colnum": "977", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maddan", "preceding_text": " this subject between me and any of the programme companies, present or future. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will understand that some of us, from the knowledge that we happen to have, like to probe and to find out what is in people's minds, and prefer to do so without imputations of the kind that the hon. Gentleman had in mind being made against us. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.976.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.979.1", "colnum": "979", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacArthur", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Withdraw.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacArthur", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Gentleman had done me the courtesy of coming in a little earlier, he would have heard me declare my interest at the beginnning of my speech.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.979.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1002.3", "colnum": "1002", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "It does not matter at all to the Exchequer. We would get the duty in any event. The only reason why this has been included in the Bill is that we have thought it the fairest way.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1002.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1003.5", "colnum": "1003", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "There are really two categories of contracts which we are considering.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1003.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1022.1", "colnum": "1022", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ttract taxation. But it seems undesirable, ethically, that the Chancellor should have extracted from the very large total expenditure on advertising what is a relatively small part—in the form of television advertising—and have placed a 10 per cent. excise duty on it. If I wander a little by making passing references to Purchase Tax somewhat generally, I hope that I will not be ruled out of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1022.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1027.0", "colnum": "1027", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacArthur", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How does the hon. Gentleman know?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacArthur", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman should not make a remark of that kind. It bears no relation to facts.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1027.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1028.0", "colnum": "1028", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maddan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The hon. Member.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maddan", "preceding_text": "I am sorry to have to interrupt the hon. and gallant Member again, but—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1028.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1028.5", "colnum": "1028", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Price", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Price", "preceding_text": "rupted and I had to reply to the interruptions as a matter of common courtesy. I promise hon. Members that, if they interrupt me again, I shall go on for quite a long time. I am not short of ideas on this matter. I did not wish to speak for a long time, but I think that I must be allowed to deal with interruptions. I am sorry that the Chancellor has gone to have dinner. He has to eat at some time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1028.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1032.0", "colnum": "1032", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Leslie Plummer", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Leader?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Leslie Plummer", "preceding_text": "I support the powerful speech of the leader of the Conservative Party, the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro).", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1032.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1059.2", "colnum": "1059", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Sixty-eight million pounds.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "preceding_text": "We ought to get this matter clear. The modern advertising agency handling £80 million of television advertising and drawing from the programme companies 15 per cent. commission on that, returns to the clients a net figure, that is £80 million less 15 per cent. I cannot work out what that is.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1059.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1059.2", "colnum": "1059", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "preceding_text": "awing from the programme companies 15 per cent. commission on that, returns to the clients a net figure, that is £80 million less 15 per cent. I cannot work out what that is. [An HON. MEMBER: \"Sixty-eight million pounds.\"] On top of that there is the cost of the aeroplane, the cost of the artists, the script writers, the drawings, the films and so on and there is 15 per cent. based on all of that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1059.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1061.3", "colnum": "1061", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "preceding_text": "ve not during this time heard challenged the proposition that advertising adds to the cost of living. That used to be a matter of controversy here. The Chancellor of the Exchequer himself, during his Budget broadcast, came round to the view, so often put forward from these benches, that advertising adds to the cost of the advertised product. Now it has been accepted on both sides of the Committee.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1061.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-15", "file": "debates1961-05-15a.xml", "sha256": "e41b455e47fd3df4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1068.5", "colnum": "1068", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I think that this Motion will receive more universal commendation from both sides of the Committee than anything the Chancellor said earlier in the day's proceedings. It is a wise proposal. I know that he is a little disappointed that we have not made progress with the Bill, and so am I in some ways, but I think he will agree—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-15a.1068.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1112.2", "colnum": "1112", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "It is not only a question of entering the Common Market, but of signing the Treaty of Rome, which is a little different. It is not really for us to say. What I hoped to do was that we would find a way in which—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1112.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1113.1", "colnum": "1113", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "The Liberals.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "preceding_text": "May we take it from what the Prime Minister has just said that we are now willing to enter the Common Market if our difficulties can be successfully negotiated? Can the right hon. Gentleman also tell us who suggested that we could walk into this matter without negotiation?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1113.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1120.1", "colnum": "1120", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Very rough.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "preceding_text": "I am working on the basis of using a Fordson Major diesel tractor and a Fordson Countytrack tractor for ten to twelve hours a day in the summer months. In the winter months, as the hon. Member knows, they cannot work more than eight or nine hours a day. They work five days a week in winter and six or sometimes seven days a week in summer. I can only make a very rough calculation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1120.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1128.1", "colnum": "1128", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. V. Hilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Vested.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. V. Hilton", "preceding_text": "Hon. Members on both sides of the Committee have a personal interest in the tax which we are discussing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1128.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1129.3", "colnum": "1129", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Percy Browne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Percy Browne", "preceding_text": "It seems to me that we have a very strange alliance on the other side of the Committee today. I have sat here in several debates listening to hon. Members opposite running down the farming industry, and every time the word \"subsidy\" comes up we hear, \"What about the farmers\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1129.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1157.0", "colnum": "1157", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. R. Mitchison", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. R. Mitchison", "preceding_text": "k to put on them. It is clear that to take account of the matter in the Price Review may or may not, to quote the Economic Secretary's words, amount to making an allowance, or an adequate allowance, for it. Concerning the two proposals in the Amendment, I must differ from the Economic Secretary about the Amendment put forward meaning that the concession would apply only to tractors in home waters.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1157.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1160.0", "colnum": "1160", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Government say something they intend to keep their word.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1160.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1173.6", "colnum": "1173", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"A party hack.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "edom of choice and will not countenance for one moment the adoption of the West German system of placing a discriminatory fuel oil duty on the essential ingredient of industry which would have the indirect effect of protecting the indigenous coal industry. The Whips have even put me up to tell that story, but, of course, I have always believed that there should be freedom of choice in this matter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1173.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1174.2", "colnum": "1174", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "Well, it is better than Tribune . I cannot discuss the merits or demerits of Tribune here. I think that the Economist is a better journal. On 22nd April, directly after the Chancellor's Budget statement—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1174.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1190.1", "colnum": "1190", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "preceding_text": "n Second Reading, that, again to use the classical formula, my enthusiasm for this tax is confined without difficulty within the bounds of decorum; but the reason why I am not supporting this Amendment and the reason why I hope my hon. Friends will not wish to press it is this, that I think that the tax is an integral part of my right hon. and learned Friend's effort to achieve his Budget surplus.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1190.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1201.1", "colnum": "1201", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "preceding_text": "five or six tons has to be rolled by electricity produced from oil which has been increased in cost. Then, as bars, that steel is put on the railway and pulled by diesel-tractor engines, whose operating costs have been increased. It is drawn into wire and other types of steel, again at increased cost. So it goes out to industry, all the time increasing in cost to the point where it cannot be sold.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1201.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1201.1", "colnum": "1201", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jack Jones", "preceding_text": " would you have done? We would have left Surtax alone, and would have looked for other means of raising revenue. We can only live by selling to other folk, and we cannot sell by making our products dearer in price. Let us give the hon. Member for Kidderminster credit where it lies. If it were not for his brief interludes of tomfoolery one would have to admit that he knows what he is talking about—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1201.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1237.3", "colnum": "1237", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "preceding_text": "ct that the Dutch already have the advantage of lower labour costs and longer working hours. For example, in the summer growing season, overtime rates in the Netherlands do not start until 52 hours a week have been worked, and there are certain basic disadvantages under which our industry already labours. If it has to bear the full impact of this tax, it will be a case of heaping Pelion upon Ossa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1237.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1249.0", "colnum": "1249", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Selwyn Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Selwyn Lloyd", "preceding_text": " learned Friend the Member for Hertfordshire, East (Sir D. Walker-Smith) said, the difference between agriculture and horticulture is that horticulture does not have the protection of the Price Review. In these circumstances, and because of the views that have been pressed on me from both sides of the Committee, I am prepared to say that I will try to do what I think is right in this special case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1249.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1253.0", "colnum": "1253", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bruce Millan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bruce Millan", "preceding_text": " order of the Treasury under subsection (2) of that section. I should say at the outset that, as far as I am concerned, this Amendment is to a considerable extent an exploratory one. In view of what has happened to the last Amendment, I imagine that there may be some grounds for thinking that the Government will at least look at this with a certain amount of favour and may be willing to accept it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1253.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1267.0", "colnum": "1267", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Horticulture.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": " Any concession in this Clause related to a particular use would very much alter the whole administrative balance of the Clause and raise real difficulties of control. The objection to the exemption the hon. Member suggested goes rather deeper still. Any exemption from the oil duties for particular users would naturally give rise to a considerable number of other claims for preferential treatment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1267.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1275.0", "colnum": "1275", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman would put down a Question about that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1275.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1275.1", "colnum": "1275", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Millan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He read it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Millan", "preceding_text": "I wonder if we are in the least doubt about the principle now after the Financial Secretary has told us something about it about five times and in roughly the same words each time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1275.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1286.3", "colnum": "1286", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "I am sorry, Sir Gordon. I will keep the hon Member a little longer if he persists in being impertinent. Is it not peculiar that hon. Members opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1286.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1291.3", "colnum": "1291", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "onal Coal Board and the miners for producing what was regarded as dear coal, but have the Government forgotten the cheap rate at which coal was produced in this country between 1947 and 1957? The Coal Board could have sold coal abroad at £3 a ton more and into the coffers of the Coal Board there would have come another £1,000 million had the Board been allowed to sell coal in a competitive manner.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1291.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1292.0", "colnum": "1292", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "ise that this 2d. duty may be of some help to the coal mining industry. The Clause imposes a duty on certain industries in this country. I saw hon. Members opposite stand up in droves when its effect on the horticultural industry was considered. \"Droves\" is, I believe, a farming term. Anyhow, they were there in great numbers to support a proposal affecting their own personal and individual selves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1291.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1292.4", "colnum": "1292", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "preceding_text": "We give hon. Members opposite credit for sincerely believing that the case they have been advocating today is for the well being of the community as a whole. That being so, it must be to the personal well-being of hon. Members opposite. My hon. Friend is quite right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1292.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1293.5", "colnum": "1293", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Gentleman really wishes me to start again, I shall do so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1293.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1293.5", "colnum": "1293", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wainwright", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Gentleman really wishes me to start again, I shall do so. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] I could, in this matter, refer to the added difficulties of horticulturists or farmers, or I could, perhaps, refer to the effect this 2d. tax will have on the nationalised industries, or shall I—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1293.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-16", "file": "debates1961-05-16a.xml", "sha256": "db37725527157664", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1331.5", "colnum": "1331", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I was afraid that the right hon. and learned Gentleman was being tempted by the speed of progress that we were making, but I assure him that had he tried to go on and get as far as Clause 5 he would have found the rate of progress markedly slowed up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-16a.1331.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1352.0", "colnum": "1352", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Sir J. Maitland", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir J. Maitland", "preceding_text": "Is it not also a traditional duty of the Royal Navy to visit places where there are outbreaks of rebellion or troubles?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1352.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1353.5", "colnum": "1353", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "preceding_text": "In view of the Admiralty's ineptitude in having this visit—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1353.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1395.1", "colnum": "1395", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "ial agreements passes to the Commission when it is that sector. Secondly, an appeal from commercial decisions lies to the international court. It is only right that those two things should be mentioned; they are both important, and we should face them frankly and openly. I now wish to deal with the particular point mentioned in the Amendment standing in the name of the Leader of the Liberal Party—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1395.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1397.0", "colnum": "1397", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"On this Motion?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I am putting forward these points today so that the House might consider the great issues involved; and I am sure that the country, too, will be the better able to do so. I am sorry if, perhaps, from some points of view in the House, I am devoting so much time to this issue, but I think that it is right to do so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1397.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1419.0", "colnum": "1419", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What about Portugal?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "hough it had great Communist influence inside it, it was not yet a Communist State in an East European sense. But the whole point of co-existence is that one must live with countries whose régimes one dislikes or even detests. It is easy enough to live with those whose régimes one likes. As I say, the whole point of co-existence at present is to live with régimes one dislikes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1407.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1499.3", "colnum": "1499", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "preceding_text": "When I looked at the Order Paper yesterday I was very pleased to see—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1499.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-17", "file": "debates1961-05-17a.xml", "sha256": "795417d75be57f95", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1503.1", "colnum": "1503", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "preceding_text": "eal with agriculture. I think that the National Farmers' Union's economic analysis of this problem is rather disappointing. In my view, it lays far too much emphasis on the cons and far too little on the pros. If I were an efficient farmer, which I am not, I should not worry if Britain joined the Common Market once we have been able to make satisfactory arrangements to protect British agriculture.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-17a.1503.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1536.6", "colnum": "1536", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ADEN PROTECTORATE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What is manumission?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Iain Macleod", "preceding_text": "Slavery has almost ceased to exist in the Aden Protectorate. This explains the few recent instances of manumission, the facilities for which are well known.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1536.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1560.2", "colnum": "1560", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Philip Noel-Baker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"1956.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Philip Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "Cuba, of an inter-American convention of 1928, of Article 15 of the Charter of the Organisation of American States, the O.A.S., signed in 1948, of Article 1 of the N.A.T.O. Pact, and Article 2, Sections (3) and (4), of the Charter of the United Nations. That is a veritable holocaust of American national law and international obligations. When Britain and France struck at Nasser over Suez, in 1926—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1560.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1576.0", "colnum": "1576", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. Before the question is answered, may I put this point to you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker? On the footing that this discussion of the Common Market was relevant to the Motion moved yesterday, there has since been moved an Amendment, and the debate is about the issues raised in the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1576.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1586.0", "colnum": "1586", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "preceding_text": "at Her Majesty's Consul at Sao Paulo received an application from Captain Galvao for a visa to visit this country. In accordance with the instructions he had already received, he refused to grant a visa. The whole question of visas is a matter for the Home Office and, as the hon. Gentleman knows, it is not the practice of my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary to give reasons for these refusals——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1585.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1587.3", "colnum": "1587", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "preceding_text": "e given an answer on the main issue, which, I think, is the important point, of my noble Friend's visit. I do not think that hon. Members should try to read into these visits all sorts of extraordinary motives that are not, in fact, intended. If visits between Ministers of different States are to be hemmed about in this way, it will be extremely difficult for my noble Friend to make visits at all—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1587.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1606.1", "colnum": "1606", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"For whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "oy all belief in their sincerity and throw up the sponge. Suppose we throw up the sponge. What happens then? I should have thought that it was common ground among all of us that the last thing in the world to do at this moment in world history is to throw up the sponge about any kind of negotiation and any kind of agreement. We must go on patiently negotiating until in the end success is achieved.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1606.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1631.1", "colnum": "1631", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": " and make a new concept of Europe, and if our men had been taught to fight and die for that, I would have believed that there was something to the idea. But to crawl in in peace, in a shamed sort of way—because we do not feel that we have the power or opportunity to stand out of it—is extraordinary and beyond my understanding. I do not see how the Government can do this without a General Election.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1631.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1650.1", "colnum": "1650", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Eden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Eden", "preceding_text": "tement from outside. He did not restrain himself in any way. I wish that he would sometimes be a little more self-disciplined in his criticism of friendly countries, because, having listened to his speech, I believe that far from trying to understand and help the Portuguese in the situation in which they find themselves, he was trying to foment and exacerbate an already tragically grave situation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1650.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1663.1", "colnum": "1663", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Much more brutal.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "outh Africans. They at least have arranged for 30,000 out of 4½ million to be assimilated. Having done that, they have, they think, given themselves a good argument. They have said, \"If we have 30,000 assimilados , we do not have to worry; there is no apartheid \". But the remainder of the 4½ million still suffer exactly the same consequences as the other chaps suffer in South Africa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1663.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1663.1", "colnum": "1663", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "Russians were willing to have one. I do not see why we should go on appearing to maintain the case for every ally in the West having her own nuclear deterrent if we want to create a climate in which we can get an agreement with the Russians. On a famous occasion some time ago when I met Mr. Khrushchev, it became very clear that there was one thing which he and I had in common, and I understood it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1663.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-18", "file": "debates1961-05-18a.xml", "sha256": "3b43122111725f3a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1672.3", "colnum": "1672", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "Mr. Callaghan rose ——", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-18a.1672.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-19", "file": "debates1961-05-19a.xml", "sha256": "0838217f59c84e2a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1707.3", "colnum": "1707", "heading": "INDIVIDUAL GRIEVANCES (PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Delargy", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Delargy", "preceding_text": "democratic Parliament is brought into disrepute democracy itself is in danger, and freedom is in danger. All dictators have known this. Their first move has always been to bring Parliament into disrepute. Once they have done that, the rest of their job is easy. Having said that, let us see the thing in its true perspective. Let us not exaggerate. Let us not panic. This is still a democratic House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1707.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-19", "file": "debates1961-05-19a.xml", "sha256": "0838217f59c84e2a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1720.1", "colnum": "1720", "heading": "INDIVIDUAL GRIEVANCES (PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Leslie Hale", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Leslie Hale", "preceding_text": " them. I agree with everything my hon. Friend the Member for Thurrock (Mr. Delargy) said, except when he engaged in \"biting my ear off\". I think that he spoke magnificently in the important case he put. If he erred at all on the question of pneumoconiosis it was by understatement. I have had the problem of pneumoconiosis all my professional life and the problem of byssinosis all my political life.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1720.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-19", "file": "debates1961-05-19a.xml", "sha256": "0838217f59c84e2a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1748.3", "colnum": "1748", "heading": "INDIVIDUAL GRIEVANCES (PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER)", "cue_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "preceding_text": " as the matter stands, if one does get an unsatisfactory reply from a Department, if one gets a letter apparently signed by a Minister, who, perhaps, is hard pressed and has not time to consider all the implications involved, one can see the Minister practically every day in this House. If one feels aggrieved one can go to him and say, \"This letter of your Department is below your usual standard.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-19a.1748.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.27.0", "colnum": "27", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — UNITED STATES DOCUMENTS (LOSS)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How many?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think the hon. Gentleman very much underestimates the difficulties as well as the dangers of all these security questions. This particular document was in a file which is missing, which contained one secret document—the whole file is missing. There are other copies of this in other parts of the contractor's works—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.27.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.34.0", "colnum": "34", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SPAIN (HOME SECRETARY'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that, whether it is a majority or a minority of our people, a very large number of our people are gravely concerned about the statement which the Home Secretary is reported to have made?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.34.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.36.6", "colnum": "36", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SPAIN (HOME SECRETARY'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I distinctly heard an hon. Gentleman opposite say \"shut up\". If he cares to see me outside I will shut him up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.36.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.36.8", "colnum": "36", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SPAIN (HOME SECRETARY'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "As far as I remember, the Prime Minister was in the course of answering a question. I have quite forgotten what the question was, but I think that was the position.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.36.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.70.0", "colnum": "70", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "iamond) has reminded me, perhaps we can give them that by way of discount. I now turn to the merits of the proposition itself. No doubt a case—not a case which I should accept, but, nevertheless, an arguable, plausible case—can be made for this proposition on the basis that there ought to be such a ship, that the Cunard Company can build it as well or better than anybody else, and that the Cunard—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.70.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.78.8", "colnum": "78", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "I think that I have been treated with discourtesy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.78.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.80.1", "colnum": "80", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Vice-Admiral Hughes Hallett", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Give way.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Vice-Admiral Hughes Hallett", "preceding_text": "I would ask, if I may, to be allowed to finish. I have given way a great deal, and I hope that the hon. Gentleman will forgive me if I do not give way to him now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.80.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.86.7", "colnum": "86", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.86.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.153.3", "colnum": "153", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "All right, I withdraw it, although I think that the hon. Member for Gillingham is unduly sensitive.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.153.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.156.5", "colnum": "156", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Of course.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "e money at 6¾ per cent.? Not on your life. They pay 8 per cent. or even 8¾ per cent.—but they get it. Consider Eagle Airways, of which the hon. Member for Gillingham is one of the exalted directors. No doubt he was promoted by Mr. Bamberg, about whom we have heard a great deal this afternoon and who has admitted that there is a close link between Eagle Airways and the Cunard Company.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.156.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.162.6", "colnum": "162", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "We are grateful for the way in which the hon. Member for Bermondsey raised his point of order, but I do not think that it is for any Minister to defend any leading article in a newspaper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.162.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.162.6", "colnum": "162", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "We are grateful for the way in which the hon. Member for Bermondsey raised his point of order, but I do not think that it is for any Minister to defend any leading article in a newspaper. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"] The hon. Gentleman said that this route is subsidised and other routes are subsidised, too. The hon. Member for Sunderland, North (Mr. Willey) said exactly the same thing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.162.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.169.2", "colnum": "169", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "The Question is, That \"eighteen\" stand part of the Clause. As many as are of that opinion say \"Aye\". To the contrary, \"No\". I think that the \"Ayes\" have it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.169.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.197.1", "colnum": "197", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "stratively and intolerable politically. Therefore, I hope that the Amendment will not be accepted. I have always said that the main ship should not necessarily go to the lowest tender but for the best value, and that includes price, delivery date and technical assessment of the ship. I have always said that and never varied from it. I do not think that at this late stage with these vague criteria—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.197.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.207.2", "colnum": "207", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": "p on a matter which is of great national importance; namely, the future of the British shipping industry and shipbuilding, which I feel certain that hon. Members opposite do not in their hearts want to oppose, although physically they have opposed it a great deal tonight, which will be noticed by the country. What I suggest as a reasonable understanding with hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.207.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-30", "file": "debates1961-05-30a.xml", "sha256": "b2f63812fda88a42", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.210.0", "colnum": "210", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": " later part of the Bill the answers which Ministers give will determine the rate of progress. I have been here only for three and a half hours, but if the answers are anything like those we have had from the Minister of Transport today it may take longer than half a day to conclude the business on this Bill. It is an astonishing exhibition that the Committee has had. I was not present at the time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-30a.210.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-31", "file": "debates1961-05-31a.xml", "sha256": "6241add708f33ea3", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.238.0", "colnum": "238", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ramsden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ramsden", "preceding_text": "Re-equipment with a major new weapon is necessarily a slow process. The Vickers is an extremely good gun which has given excellent service.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.238.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-31", "file": "debates1961-05-31a.xml", "sha256": "6241add708f33ea3", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.253.5", "colnum": "253", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Reynolds", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Reynolds", "preceding_text": "d carried it out at W.E.U. it would not be possible to question him on this subject today? Having said that, may I ask whether the Minister will please give us some of the arguments which he considered relevant in agreeing to this modification of the Schedule to the Brussels Treaty? Can he also tell us how long it is estimated that, even in a conventional war ships of this size would be effective—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.253.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-31", "file": "debates1961-05-31a.xml", "sha256": "6241add708f33ea3", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.278.1", "colnum": "278", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EMPLOYMENT (APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "preceding_text": "al qualifications compared with the previous year. There has also been a continuing increase over recent years in the numbers of boys and girls going into clerical occupations. These often offer opportunities for advancement and provide for girls the nearest comparable field of employment to apprenticeships for boys. I hope that the girls will not be forgotten. We are very apt to forget the girls—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.278.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-31", "file": "debates1961-05-31a.xml", "sha256": "6241add708f33ea3", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.285.5", "colnum": "285", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EMPLOYMENT (APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "to expanding the training opportunities for the young people leaving school in that period. I have given the figures. To try to make a major change now, whatever its long-term effect, would merely upset the existing working of industry's training schemes. It would do what no hon. Member wants—it would reduce for the time being the opportunities available to young people instead of increasing them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.285.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-05-31", "file": "debates1961-05-31a.xml", "sha256": "6241add708f33ea3", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.374.1", "colnum": "374", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EMPLOYMENT (APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING)", "cue_speaker": "The Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Labour (Mr. Peter Thomas)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Labour (Mr. Peter Thomas)", "preceding_text": "een a stimulating, useful and, at times, a lively debate, and I should certainly like to thank all hon. Members who have taken part in it. I hope that I may not be instrumental in doing the hon. Member for East Ham, North (Mr. Prentice) a disfavour when I say that I thought that his speech was absolutely admirable. I am sure that he will not expect me to agree wholeheartedly with its full content—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-05-31a.374.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.405.8", "colnum": "405", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. In view of the exceptionally inaccurate information—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.405.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.0", "colnum": "420", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOLY LOCH (SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "On the first part of his Answer, how can the Prime Minister say that in view of the fact that the crew was absolutely anchored on the boat—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.4", "colnum": "420", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOLY LOCH (SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "preceding_text": "Is the Prime Minister aware that events have proved that the Scottish T.U.C., which speaks unanimously for Scottish trade unionism on this matter—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.6", "colnum": "420", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOLY LOCH (SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "May I press the Prime Minister again on the last part of my Question? Is he aware that there are many people who think that the ultimate reason for placing this thing in the Holy Loch was the argument that the crew's families had to be near an area of considerable urban development?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.6", "colnum": "420", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOLY LOCH (SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "son for placing this thing in the Holy Loch was the argument that the crew's families had to be near an area of considerable urban development? [ Interruption. ] Would it not be a good thing if the Government and the American Government looked again at the possibility of locating this depot ship somewhere up the West Coast of Scotland, possibly in Loch Ewe, where the same natural conditions apply?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.420.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.421.0", "colnum": "421", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOLY LOCH (SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "All the matters were carefully looked at from both the technical, anchorage, Air Force communications and, of course, the social viewpoints and we came to this decision after very careful consideration with our American allies.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.421.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.458.3", "colnum": "458", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "That may be so, but the Parliamentary Secretary went a stage further in his reply. He said, in effect, that the increase, small as it is, will be taken into account at the Annual Price review.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.458.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.483.1", "colnum": "483", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about meat for the animals?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "s one would use to describe it, but I imagine that, if one examined how much of their expenses was involved in their vehicles, one would find that it was probably a higher proportion than could be found in any other section of the community. In the cost of maintaining the fairs which we see throughout the country, probably the largest portion of all is the amount which has to be paid for vehicles.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.483.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.483.1", "colnum": "483", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about the Prime Minister?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "resort to a defence of that kind. One can always be sure that the Treasury has a very poor defence for something which it does when it says, \"If we give this just relief in this case, we shall have to apply justice to others as well\". I hope that the Economic Secretary will not resort to that device in this case. One can hardly think of a section of the community more easily isolated than showmen.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.483.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-01", "file": "debates1961-06-01a.xml", "sha256": "409834b10dd51b92", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.551.1", "colnum": "551", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "n the next Budget. This has been refused on the ground that it would be unfair, dictatorial and undemocratic. But the present Chancellor is taken the same power not against the dividend-strippers or the bond washers and all the crooks who have been defrauding the Revenue for years but against the housewives, and against the beer drinkers who voted Tory because of a tax cut before the last election", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-01a.551.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.651.4", "colnum": "651", "heading": "ZANZIBAR (RIOTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fraser", "preceding_text": "I think that I am right in saying that the first police contingents were there within a matter of hours of being requested, as I said in my reply to the right hon. Gentleman.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.651.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.685.0", "colnum": "685", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Glenvil Hall", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"We are.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Glenvil Hall", "preceding_text": "I am not sure whether we are to hear another speech from the Government Front Bench—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.685.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.688.0", "colnum": "688", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": " leaves only the right to inspect. The restaurant licences are not, like the public house licences, discretionary licences, and therefore I will again consider that point with my right hon. Friend, before the Bill is considered in another place, to see whether, in the case of restaurant licences, it may not be desirable to write in a right to inspect the premises on the part of the fire authority.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.687.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.706.2", "colnum": "706", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "preceding_text": " the remaining one-fifth will be professional drivers who will not be likely to be influenced by drink. One, therefore, comes down to this point. One hon. Member said that, if we saved but one or two lives, we should have done something. I do not share that view. If that be the correct view, we can all pack up and say that nobody in the future must ever have a single drink when driving a motorcar.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.706.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.715.0", "colnum": "715", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Farr", "preceding_text": "In view of the assurances which have been given by my right hon. Friend, in the name of my hon. Friends and myself I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.714.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.752.4", "colnum": "752", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend says that drink purchased from off-licences is generally taken home. Has he reflected on the enormous growth amongst young people of the habit of bottle parties, which are not always held under the most desirable circumstances? Girls aged 14, 15 or 16 unfortunately sometimes become drunk.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.752.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.757.0", "colnum": "757", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C Black", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C Black", "preceding_text": "hat is so, I must say with great respect to the people concerned that they have gone beyond their proper functions in expressing a view on that matter. It seems to me entirely proper for chief constables and magistrates' clerks to provide information on matters of fact in response to inquiries addressed to them, but when they take upon themselves to abrogate to themselves the duties of Parliament—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.757.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.760.1", "colnum": "760", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Black", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"To whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Black", "preceding_text": "pt the position that a child of 6 can consume drink as a result of this loophole in the law, provided that he does not consume it to the extent of becoming intoxicated? I am not prepared to accept that position. Therefore, the test with me is not whether drunkenness results but whether consumption of liquor by young persons and children results. That is the question I should like to see addressed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.760.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.767.1", "colnum": "767", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Of the wrong people.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Black", "preceding_text": "I said nothing that contained the suggestion that I was not in favour of the inquiry. I said that the wrong questions were asked.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.767.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.771.3", "colnum": "771", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Commander Kerans", "preceding_text": "In view of the statements of the Minister and the adequate assurance which has been given, and in the sincere hope that this matter will be considered in another place with the remarks which have been made in this House, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.771.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.776.5", "colnum": "776", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Aye.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "rder at the moment. The position is that the hon. and gallant Member for The Hartlepools (Commander Kerans) had gone further than I had realised and had asked leave to withdraw the Motion. But I have not put that Question to the House. I therefore require some indication from the House in order that we may proceed in the correct way. Is it your pleasure that the Motion and new Clause be withdrawn?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.776.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.815.0", "colnum": "815", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": ", but it is a matter of considerable importance to those responsible for maintaining law and order. I believe that this is also an important matter for those in the trade. My right hon. Friend was right to say that this will mean a substantial addition to their working hours. It will mean an extra three-quarters of an hour, or forty minutes if we add on the ten minutes drinking-up time at the end.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.815.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.815.0", "colnum": "815", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Half-past ten.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "s must forgive me if I am backward on this subject, but I am not well versed in matters concerning drinking. I want to know from the Minister of State whether the ten minutes is added. If it is, I am right. There will be forty minutes after the closing time originally suggested. I submit that this proposal will mean that closing time, instead of being ten o'clock, will be twenty minutes to eleven.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.815.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.822.3", "colnum": "822", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "preceding_text": " extraordinary—I say this with all respect to him—that he did not realise it before. Why should we have to wait until midnight tonight to be told suddenly of the Minister's conversion, which, again, if my recollection is not at fault, was not foreshadowed in our discussions in Committee? The question was raised, if I remember aright, as to whether there should be some discretion given to justices.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.822.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.822.3", "colnum": "822", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "preceding_text": "whether there should be some discretion given to justices. [AN HON. MEMBER: \"NO.\"] If my recollection is at fault, it is at fault, but that is my reading of what happened. We are now suddenly confronted by the Minister's acceptance of the Amendment in the name of the hon. Member for the Isle of Thanet (Mr. Rees-Davies), which has been, correctly I think, described as making a revolutionary change.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.822.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.825.3", "colnum": "825", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There are only six hon. Members on the Opposition benches.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Thomas", "preceding_text": "use well enough to realise that it is sometimes best to wait a little because they then get their business that much quicker. We have had illustrations recently where the Govrnment, with the strength of their majority, insisted on having their own way and steam-rollered the Opposition. They can do it tonight. The Government side of the House could push this through at any moment if they so wished.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.825.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-05", "file": "debates1961-06-05a.xml", "sha256": "314d05f992685aeb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.828.4", "colnum": "828", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir F. Soskice", "preceding_text": "s attitude was, and that was his attitude. Perhaps it is not very profitable to discuss who is right on that point. I put it to the Ministers in charge of the Bill that surely they will accept that this is a major matter, not a minor matter; that it is very important. Surely they must accept that it is a matter which should not be debated at 12.20 at night, when the House is considerably depleted—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-05a.828.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.869.6", "colnum": "869", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — RUANDA-URUNDI", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. Noel-Baker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "While we understand the Government's desire not to embarrass the Belgian Government, although we on this side do not sympathise with them—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.869.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.882.2", "colnum": "882", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PRESIDENT KENNEDY (TALKS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "While welcoming the fact that President Kennedy should have taken such personal pains to keep Her Majesty's Government so fully in touch with his recent conversations with foreign Heads of State, and particularly welcoming his insistence at the airport of the importance of Britain's rôle as a world Power and the importance of retaining Britain's existing links with Africa and Asia—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.882.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.888.4", "colnum": "888", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Griffiths", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Griffiths", "preceding_text": "On a point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.888.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.896.2", "colnum": "896", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Who asked for them?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "an assembly, but public polls, which are completely different. I do not dissent from the view of the hon. Member for Anglesey about the importance of this issue, but, unlike him, I like the idea of this referendum. This is the kind of social issue about which a solution could not otherwise be reached, for we cannot have guidance about the wishes of the majority in Wales unless we hold these polls.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.896.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.905.4", "colnum": "905", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "d, because few of the candidates have been returned to authorities in elections in which the poll has exceeded 50 per cent. of the electorate. The Amendment has not been put down to preserve democracy. It has been put down to destroy democracy, because my Welsh colleagues were defeated in Committee on the main principles of the Clause and they are determined to thwart the will of the Welsh people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.905.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.906.4", "colnum": "906", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "on of the poll shall be a reflection of the expression of the majority opinion within the Principality. Therefore, hon. Members say that unless there is participation by 50 per cent. of the electorate the poll shall have no validity and should not be accepted. The purpose of Clause 6 is to nullify the Sunday Closing Act of 1881. If this poll is in favour of Sunday opening it will nullify that Act.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.906.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.908.2", "colnum": "908", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Go on.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Sir Gordon Touche)", "preceding_text": "I thought that the hon. Member for Rhondda, West (Mr. Iorwerth Thomas) was dealing with the background, but that he was dealing with it rather extensively. I may have allowed him rather a lot of latitude but I hope that the hon. Member will not trespass further.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.908.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.913.0", "colnum": "913", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Yes.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. Idwal Jones", "preceding_text": "ing of cinemas has, in far too many instances, proved to be a farce. I would point out to my hon. Friend the Member for Rhondda, West that this House is not our only democratic institution. We adopt the principle of the 50 per cent. vote, and the more-than-50 per cent. vote in other institutions, and that on democratic grounds. Would the workers come out on strike on less than a 50 per cent. vote?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.912.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.914.0", "colnum": "914", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Elwyn Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Elwyn Jones", "preceding_text": "uire that a certain minimum percentage of the electorate shall participate in any decision on whether there should be a change in the number of licensed premises, whether there should be any limitation in the number of licensed premises or whether there should be a no-licence resolution. Whether such a revolutionary resolution has ever got by Kilmarnock or anywhere else in Scotland, I do not know.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.914.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.920.0", "colnum": "920", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. T. W. Jones", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. W. Jones", "preceding_text": "I believe that it is agreed on all sides that the people of Wales never asked for this Bill. I asked the hon. Member for Barry (Mr. Gower) who was behind it. The hon. Gentleman is not here at the moment; perhaps he has gone to try to find out. He need not have gone, because I can tell him. The people behind this Bill, particularly in regard to Clause 6, are the brewers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.920.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.983.2", "colnum": "983", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "Is the hon. Member aware that the brewers are not particularly in favour of this Bill—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.983.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.984.1", "colnum": "984", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "preceding_text": "—and now they will gain if the vote goes a certain way, and will gain tremendously. Their profits will be swollen and their dividends increased—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.984.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.988.1", "colnum": "988", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Awbery", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Government.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Awbery", "preceding_text": " contributions, because it has an influence in the trade. I visualise that when the Bill becomes an Act the public houses will be displaying posters similar to those which we saw two years before the last election. If the cost of advertising is to count only so many days before the referendum takes place—say, 20 days—what will happen before the 20 days are up, and who will pay for the advertising?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.988.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.992.0", "colnum": "992", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": "ot go so far as to say that there must be no propaganda. The hon. Member for Cardiff, West (Mr. G. Thomas) said that it would be quite absurd to prohibit public meetings, most of all in Wales, and I entirely agree. It is impractical. Equally, if one is not to prohibit public meetings, it is impossible to extend the prohibition to leaflets. both on grounds of logic and on grounds of practicability.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.992.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-06", "file": "debates1961-06-06a.xml", "sha256": "1fe6632743f764cb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.1044.1", "colnum": "1044", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "preceding_text": "In view of the assurances given by the Solicitor-General, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-06a.1044.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1061.0", "colnum": "1061", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL AIR FORCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. If you prefer it, I can raise this matter at the end of Questions, but it seems to me that we are entitled to ask about the movements of hon. Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1061.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1066.4", "colnum": "1066", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Member looks at what I have said, he will see that I have answered that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1066.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1074.5", "colnum": "1074", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRANSPORT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "We are well aware of the problems on this road. That is one reason why we are looking forward to a considerable improvement when the London-South Wales motorway is completed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1074.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1087.6", "colnum": "1087", "heading": "COMPLAINT OF PRIVILEGE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Rawlinson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Rawlinson", "preceding_text": "ake it plain that I do not know the citizen concerned. I have had no communication from him or with him. Where an hon. Gentleman formally accuses a citizen in circumstances which attract much publicity and which, if false, must do the citizen grave harm, and does this by means of seeking a Written Answer only, and then, by leaving the country precludes himself from taking the earliest opportunity—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1087.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1090.0", "colnum": "1090", "heading": "COMPLAINT OF PRIVILEGE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. T. Paget", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. With great respect, without commenting at all upon bringing in names in a Question—I certainly would not wish to defend that practice in any way—is it not an abuse of the proceedings of the House to raise as a matter of Privilege something which the hon. and learned Member for Epsom (Mr. Rawlinson) knows, and we all know, has nothing whatever to do with Privilege?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1089.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1104.2", "colnum": "1104", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "an of incentive in providing that Schedule D Surtax payers pay on an income already earned. We have not had his reply yet, but if he has conceded this for the Schedule D Surtax payer he has passed the point of no return on incentive. He is talking about justice. We want him to talk about justice and equity and not about this spurious method of incentive which does not operate in the Surtax racket—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1104.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1146.1", "colnum": "1146", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And his wife.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "I hope that my hon. Friend will allow me to finish my illustration. Then I will give way. Today, the manufacturer has to entertain the buyer to lunch and dinner. He has to take him out to a party at night.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1146.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1163.6", "colnum": "1163", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Eric Fletcher", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eric Fletcher", "preceding_text": "s job. Therefore, I can appreciate the technical criticisms which can be made about an Amendment which attempts to limit travelling allowances and similar allowances to a proportion of income. A glaring case in which expenses exceed income is that of the British Ambassador to Washington who gets an expense allowance which is far larger than his salary. As far as I know, no one has criticised that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1163.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1180.3", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stevens", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stevens", "preceding_text": " which would meet the situation. Perhaps it should be called \"savings income\", or \"investment income\", or something of that kind. But a large proportion of incomes which are now classified as unearned incomes have been earned by the sweat of the brow. They represent dividends and interest, and they have been derived from the self-denial of men who have worked extremely hard for a great many years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1180.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1186.2", "colnum": "1186", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "And vice versa .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "I shall give way in a moment, but I shall say something which will be less welcome to hon. Members opposite than what I have already said. Unless the worker continued to do his work—and I mean work in its broadest sense—the person with £1 million unearned income today would starve.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1186.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1188.0", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "preceding_text": "it confused so many issues. In listening to the hon. Gentleman, one would imagine that Surtax today was purely an impost upon the rich. Of course, it started by being an impost upon the rich. When Supertax, as it was then known, was introduced, in 1910, it was a levy which began at £3,000, but only fell upon those with a total income, in the purchasing power of money in those days, of over £5,000.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1188.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1190.3", "colnum": "1190", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "preceding_text": " of the provisions of Section 22 of the 1956 Finance Act, referred to by my hon. Friend the Member for Portsmouth, Langstone (Mr. Stevens). There is, therefore, a clear case in equity, just as there is a clear case on the economic and social grounds of savings. I think that it is a good case, and I should like to reinforce my hon. Friend's plea that the term \"unearned income\" is scarcely apposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1190.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1194.1", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Millan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Millan", "preceding_text": "Nevertheless, a sum, in one form or another, is available.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1199.0", "colnum": "1199", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Geoffrey Hirst", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Geoffrey Hirst", "preceding_text": "hich I otherwise would have made myself. Speeches like that of the hon. Member for Gloucestershire, West (Mr. Loughlin) make it only too clear why the Socialist Party is so completely unfit to govern. Hon. Members opposite cannot recognise the complete difference which there is in these subjects between the two sides of the Committee. No one has done more in this field than the Conservative Party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1199.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1242.0", "colnum": "1242", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "An hon. Member", "cue_text": "There is an Adjournment Motion.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Hamilton", "preceding_text": "e discussing this matter tonight. The Guardian stated recently that it wondered what were the Government's motives in imposing these charges. If, as my right hon. Friend says, the objective was to make way for a direct cut in taxation, there would rapidly be a first class political row. How right that is. How right it is that we should have this all-night and, I hope, all-to-morrow morning debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1241.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1242.3", "colnum": "1242", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "are restricting home demand. This argument of social justice has not been used today by any hon. Member, as far as I recollect. The great argument today, and one of the arguments of the Chancellor, was that of incentives. That is the thing—give these fellows something to work for. That was supported by the hon. Member for Louth (Mr. C. Osborne), one of the biggest droppers of bricks in this House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1242.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1242.3", "colnum": "1242", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "y people live. He has not a clue. In the same part of that immortal speech the right hon. and learned Gentleman asserted that we were out of touch and out of date—as out of date as he himself was in his rôle at Suez. Indeed, this is the mentality of Suez carried into the domestic economic front, a harking back to the gross inequalities and the imperialist jingoism of the nineteenth century.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1242.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1252.0", "colnum": "1252", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "y worried indeed about what incentive we are going to have to get people who are not in the Surtax grade to look after the sick in the future. The point I am making is that, irrespective of the number of increases which nurses have had under the Conservative Administration since 1951, the undeniable fact is that there are fewer people entering the nursing profession today than for many years past.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1251.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1252.2", "colnum": "1252", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "I was not going to say that, but it is absolutely true and an interesting commentary upon other things, too, and upon what we get from the other side of the Committee, that if it were not for immigrant labour of one sort and another the whole of the hospital service of this country would have collapsed long ago.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1252.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1253.3", "colnum": "1253", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": " the \"drones\" and the \"wide boys\" who are continually encouraged by hon. Members opposite. We have heard a lot about incentives, and there would be something to be said for these proposals if they did provide incentives for business men. We should be concerned about the fact that so many business men do not seem to have any idea about how to make either themselves or their business more efficient.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1253.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1258.0", "colnum": "1258", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir John Barlow", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER: \"Tell us about National Insurance charges.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir John Barlow", "preceding_text": "o relevance and into its right perspective. Let the Committee not forget what this Government have done in the last ten years. They have done a tremendous amount for the lower paid workers. Ten years ago the single person's allowance was £110, but now it is £140. The married man's allowance at that time was £190, but now it is £240. The earned income relief was one-fifth, and now it is two-ninths—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1258.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1262.2", "colnum": "1262", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McKay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McKay", "preceding_text": "On this occasion we may be fighting a losing battle.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1262.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1268.1", "colnum": "1268", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McKay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McKay", "preceding_text": "e next £1,000 the rate is 3s. 6d., or £175. On the next £1,000 the rate is 4s. 6d., or £225. On the next £1,000 the rate is 5s. 6d., or £275. On the next £2,000 the rate is 6s. 6d., or £650. He thus pays £1,437 Surtax on £6,000. On average he pays nothing like the 6s. 10d. which the wage earners pays on his £880. The Surtax payer pays 4s. 9d. in the £ on the average. I am excluding his Income Tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1268.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1284.0", "colnum": "1284", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "cue_text": "AN HON. MEMBER: \"Average earnings.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "preceding_text": "society—are being forced into nervous breakdowns as a result of this sort of pressure. What kind of people have got anything out of this Budget? In many respects most people are paying more, not ust because of the Budget but because of Tory policy over the past year in particular. My hon. Friend has just spoken of the farm worker, but the average wage in this country is between £14 and £15 a week.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1284.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1286.1", "colnum": "1286", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Slater", "preceding_text": "ber opposite tried to show how liberal the Tory Government had been and said that taxation had been reduced, but he did not mention how the value of the £ had also gone down. This is an important factor among the housewives. When they go to the shops the £ buys less than it did when the Labour Party was in office. I speak for these people, the ordinary housewives who struggle week in and week out—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1286.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1288.4", "colnum": "1288", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He is not dead, anyway.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I seem to have been very successful in—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1288.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3", "colnum": "1289", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "s automatic and complete. The reason is that the priorities of both sides have no relation to each other; the two sides of the House approach things completely differently. This is the fundamental difference between the two parties; it is a difference which is always with us. and we ought to stress it. Hon. Gentlemen opposite are quite sincere when they share out the lolly. They see nothing wrong.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3", "colnum": "1289", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "en we raise £65 million from the National Health Service we do not use it to improve the Service. We do not use it to improve local government services. We use it is a contribution towards the Surtax payer. We are not criticising the Surtax payer. We are only saying that there are people who have a more immediate claim to this money. There is not an hon. Gentleman opposite who does not pay Surtax—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3", "colnum": "1289", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "e spend more on one meal in our Dining Room than some families can afford for food for a week. And in case, Mr. Thomas, you should feel for the moment that that is not related to this Clause, I come back to the point we have been trying to make all the time, that if one has £85 million to give away, this was not the most pressing need. This provision is not only immoral; it is downright dangerous.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1289.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1295.7", "colnum": "1295", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Go on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I do not want to pursue the subject of striptease artistes—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1295.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1298.0", "colnum": "1298", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "y and moral values. If the right hon. Gentlemen opposite provided this country with the sort of moral values we have in this Measure, if they go to the uncommitted section of the world and say that a capitalism and free enterprise society is one where if you are in power you grab as much as you can of the \"lolly\" for yourself and the weakest have the least while those with the most get a bit more—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1298.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1301.3", "colnum": "1301", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why have we a majority?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": " will do so. They will all go through the same Lobby. Some of them will growl like a lot of angry rabbits at the weekend and tell their constituents what they will tell the Patronage Secretary if he dares say a word out of place, or they will write articles in the Evening Standard . But when it comes to the point, they will go through the Lobby and vote. They will win because they have a majority.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1301.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1302.5", "colnum": "1302", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Edward J. Milne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Edward J. Milne", "preceding_text": "ble amount of aid. I say that with due deference to the hon. Member for Middleton and Prest-wich (Sir J. Barlow), who indulged in a little private enterprise around midnight, and the hon. Member for Rugby (Mr. Wise), who endeavoured to speak but then had to be escorted from the Chamber; and the hon. Member for The Wrekin, who has used the speeches of other people in order to project his own ideas—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1302.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1303.2", "colnum": "1303", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "preceding_text": "eir families and their standard of living. The real test is made by looking at some of the industrial constituencies. It is from these constituencies that the nation's real wealth emerges. It is not the Clores, the Frasers and the others, the people who are benefiting from this Clause, who have made this contribution. Unfortunately, in the older industrial areas the older industries are declining—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1303.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1303.2", "colnum": "1303", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "preceding_text": " with the Minister of Health, he said he had not heard of that difficulty arising. That did not prove that it did not exist, of course. It proved only that neither he nor any other Member of the Cabinet, like the rest of hon. and right hon. Members opposite, were in touch with what is happening to ordinary folk. It has been said that £14 or £15 a week is the average earnings of industrial workers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1303.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1308.3", "colnum": "1308", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir Gordon. A number of hon. Members have been trying to take part in the debate all the evening—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1308.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1309.0", "colnum": "1309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They are.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "estion of M.R.A. was brought up; I have no connection with that organisation. Reference was also made, by the hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) to Mau Mau, and I have no connection with that organisation either. Mention has been made of the problems of full employment, of recruiting teachers, police, nurses, etc.; matters which I do not think are appropriate for a debate on this Clause.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1309.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1309.1", "colnum": "1309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. C. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sit down.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. C. Howell", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir Gordon.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1312.1", "colnum": "1312", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "Of course not. The Budget has not been passed yet. I do not think the right hon. Gentleman really expected an answer to his question. The plain fact of the matter, and hon. Members opposite must accept it, is the changed value of money. I know that £5,000 sounds a lot, and of course, a man with £5,000 a year is a good deal better off than people with a small weekly wage.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1312.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.1", "colnum": "1313", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "But hon. Gentlemen opposite have said that I would make the rich man richer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.1", "colnum": "1313", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He was.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "rying to point out to hon. Gentlemen opposite that a man with £5,000 a year is not a rich man. The figure which I gave—I give it again to the Committee—was that a man with £5,000 a year gross now has the same spending power as the man with £1,400 a year gross in 1937. I do not think that hon. Members, even on the other side of the Committee, would say that a man with £1,400 in 1937 was a rich man.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.5", "colnum": "1313", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Make a speech.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Walker-Smith", "preceding_text": "Sir D. Walker-Smith rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1313.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.4", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "When the hon. Member was sitting on the bench below the Gangway a little while ago he did not say that we were mice; he said that he was bored.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.5", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. D. Jones", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. D. Jones", "preceding_text": "Hon. Members opposite will lose their smiles in the months to come.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.5", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. D. Jones", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. D. Jones", "preceding_text": "Hon. Members opposite will lose their smiles in the months to come. [ Laughter. ] I hope they will remember my words.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.6", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "hat some of my hon. Friends should doubt whether the Chancellor's reasons are genuine, but I want to look at them. I think it understandable that some of my hon. Friends should inquire whether some of these proposals are relevant to the divisions on the benches opposite. Perhaps this is not the occasion to delve into the sordid divisions and struggles for power which go on on the benches opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.6", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": " that at a time when there are so many obvious divisions among hon. Members opposite it would be underestimating the Chancellor's sense of political advantage if we did not think that he was searching for some unifying proposal. I suppose that one reason why hon. Members opposite have remained so silent is that they agree with what the Chancellor is doing and are content to let him get on with it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1314.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1335.5", "colnum": "1335", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Read it out.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": " groups. The whole reason for removing taxation is that people are supposed to be hard up. It seems a bit odd that they should be expected to bear their share of increased contributions, whereas those who pay Income Tax and have to pay increased contributions have increased relief on their Income Tax. I will leave out a paragraph in the letter which does not mean very much to me or to anyone else.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1335.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-07", "file": "debates1961-06-07a.xml", "sha256": "d58b4bf4110e12b8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1347.3", "colnum": "1347", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Today.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "d discuss these rather simple Clauses, I think that the Chancellor is wise. We have made very good progress and hon. Members will feel that we have had a very good debate, although we should have liked to have heard more from hon. Members opposite. Perhaps if we had we might not be adjourning at this time. We shall be ready, after having such rest and refreshment as we can get, to resume tomorrow.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-07a.1347.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1385.4", "colnum": "1385", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NUCLEAR AND CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not possible.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman explain in clear and unambiguous language—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1385.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1409.0", "colnum": "1409", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir John Barlow", "preceding_text": "hancellor of the Exchequer, however, to look at the matter again. It is a very complicated subject and I suggest that in certain circumstances, by grossing up, the Government may overdo the case and take more in taxation in some cases than they had actually proposed to do. Three Amendments have been tabled more or less on these lines. This is much too complicated a subject to go into here and now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1408.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1485.1", "colnum": "1485", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "kenham said. The Rolls-Royce is a fantastic prestige car. It has no equal. For a long time it has been advertised as the best car in the world, and throughout its long existence it has maintained its high standard and merited that description. There is not the slightest doubt that it is an ambassador. There is no doubt that people coming to this country are flattered by being met by a Rolls-Royce.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1485.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1485.1", "colnum": "1485", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "in the world. That may be distressing to the manufacturers of other cars, but it is the fact. What has my right hon. and learned Friend set out to do? He has not set out to damage the Rolls-Royce company. I am sure that that is not in his mind. Beyond saying that, I do not know what is in his mind, except that he thinks that something should be done about the expenses racket—as it has been called.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1485.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1487.3", "colnum": "1487", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "There is no point in levelling it down. I am trying to level it all up again to something like its former status.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1487.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1494.2", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Price", "preceding_text": "fect of hitting Rolls-Royce more harshly than it his its competitors, there is a case for arguing for an adjustmnt. I am much attracted by the suggestion put forward by my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Crewe, that is, to reduce the amount to be allowed. My own position is quite clear. I do not think that there should be any allowance at all. I may be in a minority of one of thinking that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1494.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1501.3", "colnum": "1501", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "But the car never goes out of the possession of the firm. It must be an asset until the firm sells it. If the market value has depreciated, I should imagine that as an asset, the value of the car in the balance sheet has also been reduced. The hon. Gentleman says, \"No.\" That shows my ignorance.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1501.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1513.1", "colnum": "1513", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "further. In some ways this debate has been the wrong way round. I was astonished to hear that the possible saving to the Revenue is £3 million in connection with this Clause. If that is so, I do not see how anyone can dispute that the Chancellor is right in what he is doing. Let us put it quite bluntly. The taxpayer has been contributing £3 million through the purchase of unnecessary Rolls-Royces—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1513.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1513.1", "colnum": "1513", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "n, the Chancellor, the hon. Member for Shipley (Mr. Hirst) nor myself knows whether any fewer will be sold. This is a pure matter of judgment. The Economic Secretary said so. The hon. Member may disagree with him, but I will not enter into that dispute. The Chancellor of the Exchequer told us that up to the moment the taxpayer has been contributing £3 million a year to purchase these Rolls-Royces—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1513.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1516.2", "colnum": "1516", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman is debating the definition of \"business\", which strikes me as slightly detached from reality. We are talking about allowances for passenger motor cars.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1516.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1520.0", "colnum": "1520", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": "er wider than I had anticipated. I think that every hon. Member who has spoken has paid tribute to the Rolls-Royce Company and I must point out that I moved the Amendment because I was rather fearful for the future of Rolls-Royce. The Economic Secretary, however, has taken a more optimistic view of that future than have I. I only hope that he is right. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1519.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-08", "file": "debates1961-06-08a.xml", "sha256": "34b9517e0fe2e8a6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1523.2", "colnum": "1523", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "I am not sure how far I should be in order in following what the right hon. Member for Battersea, North (Mr. Jay) has said, but I will give him two brief replies to his remarks.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-08a.1523.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.5.2", "colnum": "5", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gough", "preceding_text": "Does my hon. Friend agree that this innocent disease, more commonly known as German measles, has a most insidious effect? Does not the analysis made, which shows that 20 per cent. of children—which, after all, is another way of putting one out of five—suffer from deafness or another form of disability, indicate a very serious problem?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.5.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.15.7", "colnum": "15", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOSPITALS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": "Does the Minister remember that I wrote to him some weeks ago about this matter? I received no reply until I tabled a Question, when a reply came saying that I would like to see a copy of a letter he had sent to certain other hon. Members, but in fact he omitted to enclose such a copy?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.15.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.47.1", "colnum": "47", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Storage tanks.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. de Freitas", "preceding_text": "That is one of the most ridiculous interventions ever made. The whole point is that not only the Labour Party but everybody in the country, in the farming papers and in the agricultural communities is asking for the data on which we can make up our minds about the impact on the agricultural industry of our entering the Common Market. It is only—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.47.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.48.7", "colnum": "48", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBIER: \"What is a pig cycle?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "eak this recurring pig cycle that we introduced a flexible guarantee arrangement, and this was coupled with an increase of 3d. per score in the basic guaranteed price, and an assurance that there will be no reduction at the next Review. This combination was designed to encourage a moderate increase in the pig population which was clearly called for, without, we hope, setting off a fresh pig cycle.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.48.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.81.3", "colnum": "81", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Sir John Maitland", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir John Maitland", "preceding_text": "es, we are the largest, the most free and the most open market in the world for food. As many hon. Members pointed out, the dangers that must exist to our economy when surpluses are building up are perfectly clear, whether or not we go into the Common Market. Many people say that this problem might well be solved by using these surpluses to help the under-nourished and under-development countries—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.81.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.86.1", "colnum": "86", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "preceding_text": "esh thinking—at any rate, fresh thinking from that side of the Committee—on this subject, and the right hon. Gentleman the Minister made a very fair appraisal of the pros and cons of the Common Market. I would only say that that was a speech which should have been made at least four years ago. I stand aghast at the speech of the hon. Member for Lincoln (Mr. de Freitas); I was aghast and astounded.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.86.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.87.1", "colnum": "87", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "th events, it becomes the job of the Opposition to push the Government into action. For the Opposition to say that because the Government have been stupid and because they have given no information the Opposition need do nothing at all, if that is how the Opposition see fit to discharge their obligations, the sooner they clear out from the Opposition Front Bench and make way for others the better.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.87.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.89.3", "colnum": "89", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It was not many.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "I think I am correct in saying that in every agricultural constituency in which the Liberal Party fielded a candidate—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.89.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.90.7", "colnum": "90", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": " Britain cannot\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 18th May, 1961; Vol. 640, c. 1575.] Again, I agree with the Joint Under-Secretary of State, as I agreed with the Lord Privy Seal. It is only a pity that they were not saying what they are saying now four years ago when the Treaty of Rome was signed. However, perceptibly the Conservative Party is accepting the inevitability of Britain going into the Common Market—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.90.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.94.1", "colnum": "94", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman is not entitled to talk of high external tariffs, because the height of those tariffs has still to be worked out. It will be worked out in the autumn. Therefore, if the right hon. Gentleman is asking me what the policy would be towards those tariffs, I would say that they should be as low as possible", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.94.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.96.3", "colnum": "96", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rubbish\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": " from Europe, but that there will also be surpluses from those countries which used to export to the Common Market which will be kept out. Already, we are feeling the effect of surpluses in regard to Russian and French barley without even the operation of exclusion from the Common Market. This could lead to a subsidy bill, expressed in deficiency payments, of between £400 million and £700 million.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.96.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.96.3", "colnum": "96", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "factured products; then I believe that the increase in the price of food is not such a terrifying prospect as was thought. And also this: if one bears in mind that British agriculture will almost indubitably be able to continue to enjoy production grants which run at approximately £100 million, and that the deficiency payments, which run at £153 million, will no longer be paid because the farmers—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.96.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.99.1", "colnum": "99", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "Certainly. Of course I know that fertilisers are the subject of production grants. I am not suggesting that we are rigid. Production grants—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.99.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.144.1", "colnum": "144", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Peart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They were good Ministers.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Peart", "preceding_text": "opinion, National Farmers' Union policy, as expressed through the Union's national organisation at Agriculture House, and the resolutions which have come from county branches of the N.F.U. since we have had Conservative Administrations. We have always known that politically the Ministry of Agriculture was the graveyard of Conservative politicians. We have already had four Ministers of Agriculture.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.144.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.146.1", "colnum": "146", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "preceding_text": "If the last Minister of Agriculture was successful in his administration, the Prime Minister owed a responsibility to this great industry to keep him there, but he has been shunted off and hon. Members know it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.146.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-12", "file": "debates1961-06-12a.xml", "sha256": "9d09a18f50c3cdc1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.152.1", "colnum": "152", "heading": "Orders of the Day — AGRICULTURE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member made a long speech, and I thought his offer to give my hon. Friend a constitutional lecture was rather pompous. I understand where the Liberal Party is on this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-12a.152.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.185.2", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GIBRALTAR", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "May we not have an assurance from the hon. Gentleman that the future of Gibraltar will not be bartered for the friendship of Spain?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.185.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.194.7", "colnum": "194", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "May I therefore, Mr. Speaker, proceed to press the Secretary of State with my supplementary question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.194.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.207.4", "colnum": "207", "heading": "COMMON MARKET (COMMONWEALTH CONSULTATIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman cannot talk to me like that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.207.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.226.1", "colnum": "226", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. G. Willis", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. G. Willis", "preceding_text": "e President of the Board of Trade and the Secretary of State for Scotland are fond of telling hon. Members that a certain number of jobs are in the pipeline. I think that 25,000 such jobs were recently said to be in view. But the trouble with the pipeline is that it is very leaky and we shall lose half of the jobs before the time arrives when they are supposed to start pouring out of the pipeline.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.226.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.240.1", "colnum": "240", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "nt Act and the refusal of development certificates in certain parts of the country, such as London and the Midlands. I can understand the motives which inspire those who try to build in additional safeguards but I should have thought it far more desirable that we should know the nature of this special assistance which we are giving to those areas, assistance which has had such magnificent results.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.240.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.245.0", "colnum": "245", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. A. E. Cooper", "preceding_text": "The great trouble with the Amendment is that it selects one part of the country and, presumably, certain industries for special treatment. The difficulty is that a powerful argument can be founded for the exemption of practically every section of our industrial and civic life. If one accepts the principle of the payroll tax, which I do not, presumably its omnibus effect must be accepted.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.245.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.249.0", "colnum": "249", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": " fairly widespread in its impact. I maintain that success in that, if it is necessary, is of direct interest to all parts of the country. The hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. Hamilton) asked for a definition of the term \"a boom going too far\". He said that Scotland had never had a boom, but if there is an excessive boom in England that is bad for Scotland, too. It is bad for the economy as a whole.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.249.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.267.0", "colnum": "267", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"At Ascot.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "nt what we ask him to take into account, namely, to have regard for full employment in all parts of the country. If he were to do that, the Amendment would never be used. I hope that hon. Members opposite will agree with us. I am sure that they agree with us in their hearts, and I hope that they will join us in the Lobby. Incidentally, I should like to know where all the Scottish Tories are today.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.267.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.276.0", "colnum": "276", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Reply.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "Surely we are to have a reply from the Chancellor to the speeches that have been made.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.276.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.311.2", "colnum": "311", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There is no need to apologise.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman opposite has anticipated part of my argument. If he will forgive me, I should like to continue this part of my argument and deal with that point in a few minutes. I should like to quote again very briefly, for I think that this is most relevant, though I apologise to the Committee for the time I am taking.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.311.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.318.3", "colnum": "318", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "Ireland Government, or is it simpler for me to say that we will exclude them from the compass of the regulator? I shall not emphasise them too much, but there are difficulties in exempting Ulster which affect a little the inter-changeability of cards in respect of employment and so on. What I am prepared to say to my hon. Friends is that I certainly will consider the matter between now and Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.318.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.320.7", "colnum": "320", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lee", "preceding_text": "give it back. In my own simple way I ask whether it would not be better if we did not tax Northern Ireland firms at all. Surely this is precisely the issue that we are arguing. Why the right hon. and learned Gentleman believes that he is making a concession merely by reiterating that the money will remain in Northern Ireland when we know from Captain O'Neill that it will be a most complicated job—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.320.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.324.4", "colnum": "324", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "preceding_text": "art of the United Kingdom is good for the lot. In this case, I cannot believe it, nor can my hon. Friends who have supported the Amendment. 9.15 p.m. We in Northern Ireland know very well that when prosperity reigns it reaches us much more slowly than any other part of the United Kingdom. We know that when prosperity dwindles, we dwindle much more quickly than any other part of the United Kingdom.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.324.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.324.4", "colnum": "324", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "preceding_text": ", to sneer, or to be casual about it, but we in Northern Ireland know that we have a difficulty which is much greater and is much slower to resolve than in any other part of the United Kingdom. That is why I support the Amendment, to get the Chancellor of the Ex-chequer not only to consider this matter on Report, but to take a definite decision in the critical situation in which we find ourselves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.324.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.329.3", "colnum": "329", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "preceding_text": "n extremely hard time at present. It is coping with imports from Hong Kong and other parts of our Commonwealth. At the same time, it is matching the unfair competition from Iron Curtain countries. None of this can be forgotten when we think of a payroll tax being imposed in certain areas which cannot afford it. I am assured of the desire of the Government to do the right thing by Northern Ireland.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.329.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.332.4", "colnum": "332", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "preceding_text": "In view of the under taking—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.332.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.332.4", "colnum": "332", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "preceding_text": "roposals, should he decide to do so, he will give serious consideration to the special circumstances affecting Northern Ireland.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 4th May, 1961; Vol. 639, c. 1738.] That was the only concession made to us during the Second Reading debate, and it is my honest and considered opinion that the right hon. and learned Member has been most fair to us and has gone a great way to meet us.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.332.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.333.0", "colnum": "333", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McMaster", "preceding_text": "l circumstances affecting Northern Ireland.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 4th May, 1961; Vol. 639, c. 1738.] That was the only concession made to us during the Second Reading debate, and it is my honest and considered opinion that the right hon. and learned Member has been most fair to us and has gone a great way to meet us. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] For that reason, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.332.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.337.1", "colnum": "337", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Boyle's Law.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "ould return, and the market did return. It is a question of expectation and confidence much more than the minimal deterrent of 4s. a week from that point of view. So what is the motive? In fact, the Chancellor has made it plain today, and so have his hon. Friends, that the motive is to syphon off spending power as a means of fighting inflation. It is the old argument, the old agony all over again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.337.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.356.0", "colnum": "356", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Julian Snow", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Julian Snow", "preceding_text": "t-time or half-time employees in a small factory in my constituency. I have no interest in the firm concerned and, so far as I am aware, with two exceptions the board of the company and its senior managers are politically hostile to me. It is a small firm, with some historical significance in my part of the country, called William Tolson. It produces what are technically known as woven smallwares.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.356.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.358.0", "colnum": "358", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"I should go home\"", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "The Treasury team look to me as if they want to go home. Before doing so I imagine that the Chancellor wants to get the Clause. If he wants to get my vote on it I shall be very grateful if I can have two assurances.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.358.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.364.3", "colnum": "364", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the Chief Whip.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "preceding_text": "I can reassure the Economic Secretary. I shall not prevent him for more than two minutes from saying whatever he wanted to say. My forbearance in this respect is entirely due to my consideration for my colleagues.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.364.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.365.0", "colnum": "365", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rubbish.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "years. I hope the Chancellor will appreciate and understand just how wise and sensible and tolerant the Opposition are towards him these days, compared with the treatment Sir Stafford Cripps had meted out to him when he was the Chancellor. There are rumours abroad—and I refer to them because of what was said by the hon. Member for Scarborough and Whitby—that Britain may be considering devaluation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.365.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.366.3", "colnum": "366", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "ferred to the hon. Member at all if he had not chided us on these benches about our attendance here. There may be some people in the House who are entitled to chastise us on this side of the Committee about our attendance, but the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale is not one of them. It is not for him to talk of thin attendances. We see him as frequently as we see Good Fridays—not very often.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.366.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.366.3", "colnum": "366", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He is ill.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "e some people in the House who are entitled to chastise us on this side of the Committee about our attendance, but the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale is not one of them. It is not for him to talk of thin attendances. We see him as frequently as we see Good Fridays—not very often. [ Interruption. ] When the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro) has finished muttering, I shall proceed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.366.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.374.6", "colnum": "374", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "preceding_text": "It may be snobbish to anybody who comes from the Hampstead set. If one takes this tax by itself and examines the application of it to selected industries and businesses, I think that one may be forgiven for regarding it as serious.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.374.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-13", "file": "debates1961-06-13a.xml", "sha256": "cb5724bcafa6611c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.374.8", "colnum": "374", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "preceding_text": "If I may be permitted to make—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-13a.374.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.421.4", "colnum": "421", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SHIPPING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Awbery", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He said that they can.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Awbery", "preceding_text": "Is the Minister aware that this situation constitutes a grave reproach to and reflection upon the British transport industry in that we have ships being constructed now which cannot find a port in this country?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.421.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.426.0", "colnum": "426", "heading": "19TH BRIGADE GROUP (TRAINING, PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "There is one point about which I must not, in the circumstances, trust my recollection. I thought that the Minister said—but there were rather a lot of words at that time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.426.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.440.0", "colnum": "440", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "preceding_text": "of the half year. In my own society, in south Glasgow, the board of management has to set aside a fortnight—five days in each week—to pay out the great mass of women who queue up to draw their dividends. Very little is left lying in the society. The total accumulated capital works out at about £20 per head. This is the organisation which the Government are attacking by this penal form of taxation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.440.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.440.0", "colnum": "440", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "preceding_text": "e noise may formulate itself into speech. We may hear something which will show us that under co-operative influence even Tories can advance towards articulate speech. There is one strongly contradictory situation about all this. Reference has been made to the fact that last Friday I, with the help of hon. Members on both sides of the House, put through the Industrial and Provident Societies Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.440.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.451.1", "colnum": "451", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "hat he has read his brief and these bits from the Royal Commission Report, which he was told he must do, whether they were the right or the wrong bits, he will consider what has been said and will come back to us with proposals on Report. If either the right hon. and learned Gentleman or his hon. Friend gives that perfectly reasonable response to this argument, we might, perhaps, agree to pass on—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.451.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.528.3", "colnum": "528", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "of British Industries. It is true that the grand council of the Federation of British Industries includes several representatives of large firms, but the National Union of Manufacturers represents 6,000 to 7,000 medium and small firms, and the constituent members of the Association of British Chambers of Commerce cater largely for the smaller firms. The Institute of Directors, with 35,000 members—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.528.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.529.1", "colnum": "529", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "rgings and components in a huge and diverse variety, all of these goods contributing, directly or indirectly, to the production of finished goods that are subsequently exported. As an example, let us take the famous Motor Corporation, the board of which my hon. Friend the Member for Twickenham (Mr. Gresham Cooke) adorns. He knows very well that that company manufactures practically nothing itself.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.529.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.539.0", "colnum": "539", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Harmar Nicholls", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why withdraw it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Harmar Nicholls", "preceding_text": "Before asking leave to withdraw the Amendment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.539.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.540.1", "colnum": "540", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman (Mr. H. Hynd)", "preceding_text": "Is it the wish of the Committee that the Amendment be withdrawn?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.540.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.548.0", "colnum": "548", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Rhodes", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Rhodes", "preceding_text": "I should like to support the hon. Member for Kidderminster (Mr. Nabarro) in protesting about this increase in Profits Tax. This year—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.548.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.559.4", "colnum": "559", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": " guarantee was given in 1855 there was a \"remarkable coalition\" against it, embracing not only Mr. Disraeli and Mr. Gladstone but Mr. Cobden as well. It may interest those who are interested in the Ottoman Bank that Mr. Gladstone in 1855 made no fewer than fourteen speeches in this Chamber opposing this guaranteed loan. He was against it. I am not proposing to quote any of those fourteen speeches—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.559.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.575.2", "colnum": "575", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "That is very kind, but the point is that my hon. Friend must have had the letters for at least a week and I think that I have a legitimate grievance. He knows perfectly well how deeply I feel on these matters. There are very good letters. My hon. Friend might have written to me to say that he was studying them so carefully that he had not had time to read them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.575.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-14", "file": "debates1961-06-14a.xml", "sha256": "413aed020264a565", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.582.1", "colnum": "582", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bruce Milan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"7s. 9d.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bruce Milan", "preceding_text": "e between the exemption limit and the income at which the ordinary rates of tax have to apply. Because of those transitional arrangements, there has to be a marginal rate, which in the case of age exemption is nine-twentieths, or 9s. in the pound. It does not matter at which point the age exemption limit is fixed, for anybody who gets just above that level will have to pay tax at 9s. in the pound—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-14a.582.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.664.9", "colnum": "664", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "preceding_text": "nk that it was tendentious, and has misled a great many hon. Members, and other people outside the House of Commons. The method of the book was to tell the story of the two cases as the writer himself saw them—and, I have no doubt, genuinely saw them. The story contains a very great deal that is mere surmise. It gives a flattering picture of Evans, and it damns Christie on every possible occasion—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.664.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.667.1", "colnum": "667", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "preceding_text": " asked to withdraw, and so had no opportunity of hearing Mr. Scott Henderson's questions or examining her himself. I was first appointed a magistrate in 1920, and I have had some experience of the conduct of judicial inquiries of many kinds. Does the hon. Member for Hendon, South still describe the conduct of the Scott Henderson inquiry in the language that he used in his speech a few moments ago?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.667.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.667.1", "colnum": "667", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "preceding_text": " the Scott Henderson inquiry in the language that he used in his speech a few moments ago? [HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer\".] The Committee can judge between the hon. Member for Hendon, South and myself. I say that an inquiry so conducted—into which both counsel and solicitor had the greatest difficulty obtaining admission until they went straight to the Home Secretary to get that permission—is a travesty—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.667.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.685.5", "colnum": "685", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Iremonger", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Iremonger", "preceding_text": "Because the intervening hours in the afternoon are the vitally important hours when Evans could have disposed of the bodies.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.685.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.687.1", "colnum": "687", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Iremonger", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Iremonger", "preceding_text": "nd I differ, and this is the crux of the matter and the difficulty of the whole debate. The point is that, having had the inquiry, the Committee is now debating the Home Secretary's decision, and because hon. Gentlemen do not accept the Report made by the man who carried out the inquiry, they are now moving, in effect, that, notwithstanding the Report, the Home Secretary should recommend a pardon.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.687.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.690.5", "colnum": "690", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TIMOTHY JOHN EVANS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Iremonger", "preceding_text": "In the classical phrase, I do not wish to weary the Committee—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.690.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.717.0", "colnum": "717", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "preceding_text": "has just made an opprobrious reference to the Government of Portugal. He has accused them of repression. I understand that it is a rule of this House, set out at page 458 of the 16th Edition of Erskine May, that no approbrious reflection may be cast on the Government of a country \"in amity with Her Majesty\". I submit to you, Sir, that that ruling has always been applied with the utmost strictness.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.717.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.718.0", "colnum": "718", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "I am obliged to you, Mr. Speaker. May I repeat, in case, as might have been the intention—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.718.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.720.2", "colnum": "720", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Peter Agnew", "preceding_text": ", on the basis of his information, which is not necessarily accurate, stand to be condemned by all proper-thinking people. Surely, if the right hon. Gentleman had deployed a case, which he has not done, that our soldiers, by going to Portugal and having contact with the ordinary people in the country-side when they go for a glass of wine or something or other, when they stand easy or go to a show—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.720.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.721.1", "colnum": "721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Another Yarmouth bloater.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "On a point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.721.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.722.3", "colnum": "722", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ing to Portugal. I am bound to say, therefore, that though I do not know how much hon. Members opposite agree about the issues as apart from the periphery, anybody looking seriously at what Dr. Nkrumah said in the Ghana National Assembly on 13th May about our attitude on this must be very seriously troubled about the consequences for us if the Government are allowed to proceed with this intention.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.722.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " is absolutely no requirement at this moment to move it to Portugal. The main purpose of this exercise as I see it—let us be quite clear about this, and let Ministers come clean on it, because we have had ambiguous statements—is to test and exercise our airlift capacity for the brigade group. There will be some training on the ground, I understand, when they get there, but that will be incidental.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.724.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.738.2", "colnum": "738", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "preceding_text": "I was asking about the flexibility of the Strategic Reserve. Is the right hon. Gentleman telling the House that it takes four months to send the Strategic Reserve anywhere?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.738.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.739.1", "colnum": "739", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to my noble Friend, because I should not like the House to think that France refused us out of hand. The reason was that the facilities we wanted in the area for aerodromes and everything else were not available in France at this time when our aircraft and troops concerned were available for the exercise.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.739.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.739.1", "colnum": "739", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh no.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "r the exercise. [An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"] I do not know why. I should have to look up the detailed reasons. They are perfectly friendly, but the facilities were not available to us at this time of the year. In Germany and Scandinavia the training areas are already fully committed to N.A.T.O. and similar exercises at this time of the year. Therefore, nothing remains available except Salisbury Plain.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.739.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.763.1", "colnum": "763", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I certainly did not.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.763.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.768.2", "colnum": "768", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": " Egyptians. If he really thinks that I have to tell Africa about this joint exercise with Portugal, he is under a very great illusion. It is precisely because this provides such a propaganda opportunity that it is being seized and taken—and I can produce every kind of quotation to show how it is being used as a propaganda instrument throughout Africa, both now and before we raised it in the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.768.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.768.4", "colnum": "768", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": "With respect, Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.768.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.773.1", "colnum": "773", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Watkinson", "preceding_text": "ir up as much trouble and dissension as it can between Great Britain and one of her N.AT.O. allies. I want it to be plain, without any shadow of doubt, that our relations with Portugal are the relations that we should have with a N.AT.O. ally. We have always made it plain, and I make it plain again now, that this does not imply that we agree in any sense with the colonial policy of the Portuguese.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.773.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-15", "file": "debates1961-06-15a.xml", "sha256": "217cf8197b102371", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.774.0", "colnum": "774", "heading": "Orders of the Day — 19TH BRIGADE GROUP (DISPATCH TO PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "Before the right hon. Gentleman sits down, since he refused in a very cowardly way to give way—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-15a.774.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.922.6", "colnum": "922", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "This does raise a dilemma for hon. Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.922.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.922.7", "colnum": "922", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "With respect, if hon. Members are not here then they have to bear the consequences.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.922.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.927.1", "colnum": "927", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GERMANY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "ny—any part of Germany—is the most potent cause of instability in Eastern Europe and the most likely cause now existing in the world of a breakdown of international peace? Will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that, although it was always contemplated that there might be minor local rectifications, the principle of the frontier we were committed to at Potsdam and ought not now to resile from?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.927.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.948.2", "colnum": "948", "heading": "NORTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "When will the right hon. Gentleman—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.948.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.969.3", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is the same thing.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "preceding_text": "l. Thirdly, therefore, a person attending being under 18 would be able to attend in his own right. When Parliament wrote the age of 18 into the Bill it did not write it in because 18 was regarded as the age under which a person should not take drink. It wrote in the age of 18 as being a reasonable age at which we should arrive at the determination on the supply of drink to young persons in public.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.969.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.977.0", "colnum": "977", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Vosper", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Lager\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Vosper", "preceding_text": "n completely, but to draw the line at the club, which is a private place is, I think, drawing it at the wrong place. It must be a matter of opinion and dispute whether, in fact, the 17-year-old girl whom the hon. Lady has quoted should be allowed a glass of sherry in the tennis club, or whether my hon. Friend the Member for St. Albans should take his son to his club and give him a glass of shandy—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.977.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.983.2", "colnum": "983", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "preceding_text": "s connection, while I make no apology for what I said the other day, I should proceed on the lines of what I personally believe. I have never heard the police say that they could not enforce anything if it was enacted into law. It becomes their duty and they would not say that it is unenforceable. But, of course, the hon. Member for the Isle of Thanet speaks for so many sections of the underworld—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.983.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.992.0", "colnum": "992", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "iffidence. I am bound to say that I could not support the Amendment. I think that it is misconceived, unnecessary and unenforceable. I should like to begin by saying that, listening to some of the speeches that have been made, one would suppose that this House was being invited to change the law in order to increase the facilities for drinking by young people in clubs or elsewhere. That is not so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.992.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.995.0", "colnum": "995", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Frank Soskice", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Frank Soskice", "preceding_text": "their tennis club when they have done. I should have thought that the exception could have been made by following the model of Section 129 of the Licensing Act, 1953, that is to say, by providing that although alcoholic liquor must not be served to persons under the age of 18 nevertheless things like shandy and beer and cider and other—shall I say, innocuous, if that is the appropriate expression—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.995.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-19", "file": "debates1961-06-19a.xml", "sha256": "ac4c822573203f04", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.1032.2", "colnum": "1032", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": " management, but they do not seek to inquire into the antecedents of every member who seeks to become a member of that committee. They would not dare to do it. There would be considerable trouble if they attempted it. The committee of management is appointed and, when it has been appointed, goes to the magistrate's court to seek registration. One magistrate immediately says, \"There is Jack Jones\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-19a.1032.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1161.5", "colnum": "1161", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "preceding_text": "Is the Under-Secretary aware that these farmers are greatly concerned about what is likely to happen to them if we join the Common Market—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1161.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1168.0", "colnum": "1168", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooman-White", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooman-White", "preceding_text": "This is a very difficult matter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1168.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1170.0", "colnum": "1170", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "In view of the obvious strain on sterling which will come this autumn and the cross-pressure from further increases in wages and salaries, would my right hon. and learned Friend not try to get both sides of industry to made an appeal for restraint?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1170.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1177.0", "colnum": "1177", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": " a Minister who expressed a wish to answer a Question after Question Time you sometimes felt able to allow that to happen. I have twice noticed the Prime Minister leaning forward. Is it reasonable to ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he proposes, in view of what my right hon. Friend has said, to ask permission to answer these Questions? If not, would he like to say what he is running away from?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1176.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1278.2", "colnum": "1278", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Descheduled.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "applications for assistance under the Local Employment Act are not at present being accepted. If, contrary to all our expectations, high unemployment should recur, my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade has assured me—I have been in touch only this morning on this point—that he will certainly be ready to consider further applications for assistance under the Local Employment Act.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1278.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1292.3", "colnum": "1292", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "gnore, but that is not to say that they are necessarily conclusive in deciding this matter. 9.15 p.m. I cannot go any further than I have gone already about the consideration which we are giving to assistance for the future. This matter is now being considered. As it is being considered and as we have not reached a conclusion, I cannot—indeed, I am not prepared to—say any more than I have already.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1292.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1296.3", "colnum": "1296", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shocking.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "There really is not anything that I can usefully add to what I have said.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1296.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1324.1", "colnum": "1324", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": " if one taxes a notional income from a house it would be equally valid to tax Mr. Smith, for example, on washing that Mrs. Smith might take in and the income derived from it but which she does not take in. It might be equally logical also to say to a man who is unemployed and in receipt of unemployment benefit, \"We will tax you on £15 of wages that you might have earned if you were in employment.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1324.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1326.0", "colnum": "1326", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "e 600,000 who submitted claims. On grounds of ignorance, or because they were too idle, or for some other reason unknown to us, they failed to submit claims for maintenance relief. The result of that is that the Chancellor of the Exchequer is collecting Income Tax Schedule A from 6 million owner-occupiers this year simply because they are not fully informed as to how they can avoid paying the tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1326.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1328.1", "colnum": "1328", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"If one has to pay it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ng with premiums for insurance against storm, tempest and flooding. The accountancy fees for the preparation of the claim rank for relief under Schedule A. That is the answer to the right hon. Member for Huyton who said that people could not afford to employ accountants. The whole cost of employing an accountant to compile the Schedule A relief claim is chargeable against the tax and is allowable.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1328.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1329.1", "colnum": "1329", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "is checking each of these items closely—all repairs to door-locks and doors; all repairs to lavatory pans and basins; all repairs to hard tennis courts. I am pleased to admit that I have a hard tennis court in my garden. I send every year for the contractor who installed it to come and re-surface it and paint the white lines on it again. That is all admitted against a Schedule A maintenance claim.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1329.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1331.9", "colnum": "1331", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "He does not play tennis.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "—there is a receipted bill. When I said to the hon. Member for Sowerby that he was learning something, it was because he was nodding his head in vigorous disagreement when I mentioned repairing and painting white lines on a hard tennis court which, evidently, he did not know.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1331.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1334.3", "colnum": "1334", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about the year after?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "—the mortgage interest is chargeable against the Income Tax liability, and is thus reduced by 7s. 9d. in the pound. There is now only Schedule A Income Tax left, and I suggest to the Chancellor, in view of the impending very heavy increase in rating valuations for houses in 1963, that the convenient time to abolish Income Tax Schedule A would be this year or next year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1334.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1335.5", "colnum": "1335", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Donald Wade", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Mink coats.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Donald Wade", "preceding_text": "tal in a house in which he lives might have invested it in an income-producing investment and therefore he ought to be taxed on the income he might have received. That is a very dangerous philosophy. One can imagine the Chancellor chasing up potential taxpayers to see if they invest their money in something which does not produce income and which, if invested otherwise, might have produced income.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1335.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1348.3", "colnum": "1348", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": " is not aware of it. We in this House are called upon to ensure that there are fair shares in the responsibility for tax-bearing. It is well known to the Committee—it has been repeated time and time again, whichever party has occupied the Government Front Bench—as a fact with regard to Schedule A: it is a fact that the tenant pays rent and the Schedule A man, the owner-occupier, does not pay rent.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1348.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1348.3", "colnum": "1348", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "hat the tenant pays rent and the Schedule A man, the owner-occupier, does not pay rent. [ Interruption. ] The hon. Gentleman opposite does not like it put that way. He says that there is a notional income. Let us deal with the simple fact. It is not notional at all. The simple fact which is not notional is that the tenant pays his rent in cash weekly, monthly or whatever it may be. That is a fact.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1348.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1358.4", "colnum": "1358", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend the Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton) assumes that I am not aware of all those other humanitarian objectives, which I fully support, but that does not justify refusing to hear an argument that is distinctly in favour of assistance to the working man buying his house.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1358.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1359.1", "colnum": "1359", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Not this year? The hon. Gentleman lives in a caravan.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "Last year—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1359.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1359.5", "colnum": "1359", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "n. Member claims that he has publicised, as he has, the right to claim where the cost of repairs exceeds the statutory allowance when the expenditure is averaged over the preceding five years. I hope that I shall be forgiven for mentioning that I did a regular weekly broadcast from 1940 to the time I entered the House of Commons in 1949. I broadcast on this very issue time and time and time again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1359.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1362.0", "colnum": "1362", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "I leave the matter by saying, as my hon. Friend the Member for Gloucester (Mr. Diamond) said, that many of the 6 million owner-occupiers do not have money to spare on inessential decorations and repairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1362.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1370.0", "colnum": "1370", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I beg to move, That the Chairman do report Progress and ask leave to sit again. I do this, Mr. Williams, in order to find out the Government's intentions about the rest of tonight's work. It is about time this question was asked.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1370.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1371.0", "colnum": "1371", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "And fuel oil.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Wilson", "preceding_text": "arly stages of the Bill. They have had more Amendments tabled to the Bill than the official Opposition have. Over the greater part of the Committee stage of the Bill the Conservative benches have been much worse attended than have the Opposition benches. The only questions which have brought hon. Gentlemen opposite into the Committee have been directors' cars, the Surtax concession and Schedule A.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1370.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1381.2", "colnum": "1381", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. Fernyhough", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. Fernyhough", "preceding_text": "cannot be irresponsible if they take part in British democracy. They cannot at the hustings make the kind of promises they have been making and then pretend to get all hot and bothered when the Chancellor does not meet their wishes but in the last analysis always fail to go into the Lobbies to demand from the Chancellor what they promised their constituents. That is precisely the position tonight.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1381.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1383.0", "colnum": "1383", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Never.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "I have led the whole of the Labour Party.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1383.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-20", "file": "debates1961-06-20a.xml", "sha256": "69b701c5ecd47256", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1407.0", "colnum": "1407", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "And the Secretary of State for Scotland.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "st tremendous one. It is a great pity that the Chancellor could not be here. It would have been very helpful and encouraging if he had been able to be here to listen to this case. As I always like a row of Ministers, I should also have liked the Minister of Transport to be here; he does not seem to be very interested in this section of his Department if he cannot be here to listen to what is said.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-20a.1405.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1454.1", "colnum": "1454", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROADS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "Is the Minister aware that this shuffling off of responsibility is not good enough?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1454.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1488.1", "colnum": "1488", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson (Huyton)", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Who is it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson (Huyton)", "preceding_text": "e Chancellor has to learn to say \"No\". He has said almost nothing else throughout the Bill. One imagines that in the months before the Budget and since he has had to receive many deputations and has had to say that fairly constantly all along the line, as have his two colleagues in the Treasury. But I felt that it was worth while raising this point because of the letter from this industrial group.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1488.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1602.0", "colnum": "1602", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "preceding_text": "Perhaps I should have said that there are more drinking clubs per county in Wales than there are per county in England. That would, perhaps, have been more accurate, I agree. Suffice it to say that there is a very much higher ratio of drinking clubs in Wales than there is in England, with the exception of the West End of London.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1602.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1602.6", "colnum": "1602", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "preceding_text": "se in the House, would definitely—I am sure I shall have confirmation of this from another quarter—have sought to include Wales altogether without any right to be consulted. When the right hon. and learned Member says that Welshmen were not consulted, I ask him to note that what the Government have done—I want this to be clearly understood—is to defend Nonconformity against me and my hon. Friends.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1602.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1605.4", "colnum": "1605", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rees-Davies", "preceding_text": "I have the letter about this, and it would only lead to argument if I dealt with it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1605.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1613.8", "colnum": "1613", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Johnson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Johnson", "preceding_text": "In deference to your Ruling, Mr. Speaker, may I curtail my remarks—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1613.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1634.1", "colnum": "1634", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": "I gladly accept what my hon. Friend says. I do not think that I need say more about Part III. Particularly since it has been modified in Committee and on Report, and in the light of the further assurance which we have given about Amendments which we propose to make in another place, I think that it commands universal approbation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1634.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-21", "file": "debates1961-06-21a.xml", "sha256": "fb89ad178e22c45f", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1634.3", "colnum": "1634", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LICENSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is it? \"", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": "he liberalising provisions of the Bill relates to the seriousness of road accidents and the undoubted fact that the excessive consumption of alcohol will lead to road accidents if the person who has drunk too much then drives his car. That is a serious problem. But if some people abuse their liberty by drinking in excess and then driving, the proper place to deal with it is in a Road Traffic Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-21a.1634.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1658.2", "colnum": "1658", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "Yes. The proportion of coloured immigrants is only about 50 per cent. of the total.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1658.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1658.3", "colnum": "1658", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "On a point of order Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1658.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1664.3", "colnum": "1664", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOME DEPARTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"When will the report be ready?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I hope that it will not necessarily be a final report, but that we shall receive reports from time to time. I hope that it will be a continuing process to keep us informed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1664.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1682.0", "colnum": "1682", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SALE OF ARMAMENTS (FOREIGN COUNTRIES)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It was.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "If that question were put on the Order Paper, of course I should try to answer it—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1682.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1682.0", "colnum": "1682", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SALE OF ARMAMENTS (FOREIGN COUNTRIES)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "If that question were put on the Order Paper, of course I should try to answer it—[HON. MEMBERS: \"It was.\"]—I answered the general question. The Question is a general question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1682.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1734.3", "colnum": "1734", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There are 2½ million Africans.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "preceding_text": "I may be wrong but I have always been given to understand that the population of Rhodesia was more than a few thousand.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1734.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1737.2", "colnum": "1737", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "preceding_text": "I do not mind reading the whole Report. I will read another paragraph. The Report went on: They said there was no moral justification for denying on racial grounds enfranchisement to those capable of exercising it…", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1737.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1796.1", "colnum": "1796", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "e fact that there is a Constitutional Council to consider laws passed by the Legislative Assembly stops them from putting their actions through. We all know that the philosophy of many of the members of the Dominion Party is the philosophy of the Government of South Africa today. Many of them are the same people. To go to Bulawayo or to go to Fort Victoria is to feel oneself to be in South Africa.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1796.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1802.3", "colnum": "1802", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "cess of mutual and prolonged bargaining, gets an acceptable Bill, because if that is so it is not fair to argue that these powers have either been ineffective or that they will be more effective if they are transferred to a Government, the possible future character of which I have already analysed? I suppose that we shall not win this debate. I think that we had better reconcile ourselves to that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1802.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1812.1", "colnum": "1812", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to the hon. Member for making that point. All I can say is that my experience is not unique.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1812.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1813.0", "colnum": "1813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "What the right hon. Gentleman has shown quite clearly is that the powers, as he says, are blunt. What he has not shown and what I would like him to tell us about in more detail is what were the original proposals under these Acts which were put before the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations at the time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1813.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1813.7", "colnum": "1813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — SOUTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "But not in Lord Monckton's view.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1813.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-22", "file": "debates1961-06-22a.xml", "sha256": "8acf662a90e0ad91", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1830.1", "colnum": "1830", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING, MANCHESTER (IMMIGRANTS)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "blem, and especially so in Manchester, where the housing problem is, in any case, particularly severe. Authorities which, like Manchester, do not give any special or preferential treatment to immigrants should be able to avoid causing ill-feeling. Once again, this seems to be the case particularly in Manchester, where, I understand, the relations between the immigrants and the population are good.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-22a.1830.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-23", "file": "debates1961-06-23a.xml", "sha256": "71639d0864735175", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-23a.1914.4", "colnum": "1914", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HIGHWAYS (MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hay", "preceding_text": "se we are asking the House to give us these rather wider powers, we propose to make any Order that the Minister of Transport may wish to make subject, in future, to the negative Resolution procedure. 3.15 p.m. This is different from the procedure which is at present in operation under Section 288. It is possible that hon. Members may say that this is a very bad example of legislation by reference.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-23a.1914.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-23", "file": "debates1961-06-23a.xml", "sha256": "71639d0864735175", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-23a.1929.3", "colnum": "1929", "heading": "Orders of the Day — MOTOR VEHICLES (PASSENGER INSURANCE) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Williams", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Williams", "preceding_text": "bers could have put the minds of many of their constituents at rest; people who were concerned about the bills that they might have to pay owing to the activities of the hon. Member for Loughborough. I also remind the House that hon. Members have many other duties to which they must attend on Fridays, but they have had to cancel them in order to prevent this Bill from going on to the Statute Book.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-23a.1929.3"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-26", "file": "debates1961-06-26a.xml", "sha256": "abbf88146d023f5d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-26a.18.0", "colnum": "18", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Skeet", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Skeet", "preceding_text": "The Minister seems to have conceded two points. First, the strike is causing disproportionate injury to industry elsewhere.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-26a.18.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-26", "file": "debates1961-06-26a.xml", "sha256": "abbf88146d023f5d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-26a.31.7", "colnum": "31", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir A. V. Harvey", "preceding_text": "With respect, Mr. Speaker, following the point raised by the right hon. Member for Dundee, West (Mr. Strachey), who sought your guidance, may I be allowed, with the greatest respect, to point out that if B.O.A.C. has said—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-26a.31.6"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-27", "file": "debates1961-06-27a.xml", "sha256": "fd863dd34eb6ede7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.182.5", "colnum": "182", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "I know the interest that has been taken in this matter by my hon. Friends the Members for Mitcham (Mr. R. Carr) and Shipley (Mr. Hirst). I hope very much that we shall be able to announce a decision in the very near future, but I would add that this is a much more difficult matter than appears at first sight—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.182.5"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-27", "file": "debates1961-06-27a.xml", "sha256": "fd863dd34eb6ede7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.207.0", "colnum": "207", "heading": "SALE OF ARMS (PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sit down.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I would not presume to argue with you, Mr. Speaker, on this issue—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.207.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-27", "file": "debates1961-06-27a.xml", "sha256": "fd863dd34eb6ede7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.207.4", "colnum": "207", "heading": "SALE OF ARMS (PORTUGAL)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It was not a point of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "preceding_text": "On that point of order—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.207.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-27", "file": "debates1961-06-27a.xml", "sha256": "fd863dd34eb6ede7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.277.0", "colnum": "277", "heading": "HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Parkin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Parkin", "preceding_text": " looks of my hon. Friends who want to make speeches have deterred me from going on. It is, of course, but what I want to avoid is the situation where we have only a few limited sites where we shall be forced into building some gigantic silo, some vertical battery house for the workers, instead of the only proper comprehensive development, with even mixed user. Why, the Queen of Babylon did better.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.277.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-27", "file": "debates1961-06-27a.xml", "sha256": "fd863dd34eb6ede7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.354.1", "colnum": "354", "heading": "HOUSING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": "I do not want, in replying to this group of Amendments, to give a false importance to industrial housing associations and the possibility that they might get a subsidy. At the same time, I must explain in all honesty that there could be circumstances under which they might be entitled to it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-27a.354.1"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.442.0", "colnum": "442", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GERMANY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "preceding_text": "Certainly not exactly in that form. He said that what he envisages is that once total disarmament has been completed then there shall be full inspection—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.441.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.450.3", "colnum": "450", "heading": "MINISTRY OF LABOUR (CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I was asked, in the first place, about Parliamentary business. I think that both the House and the country will ignore the observations of a personal character made by the right hon. Gentleman about my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. The Prime Minister is perfectly satisfied that this is the best arrangement that could be made.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.450.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.450.3", "colnum": "450", "heading": "MINISTRY OF LABOUR (CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "irst place, about Parliamentary business. I think that both the House and the country will ignore the observations of a personal character made by the right hon. Gentleman about my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. The Prime Minister is perfectly satisfied that this is the best arrangement that could be made. [ Laughter. ] My right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour will—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.450.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.524.1", "colnum": "524", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "t in the substantive part of it he believes, as I believe, and as I am sure we all believe, that if we are to negotiate with effect we had better negotiate with the authority of the beneficiaries of the negotiation. What in the world does political and economic isolation facing this country if it remains out of the European Community mean? For my part, I would not be afraid of the word \"isolation\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.524.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.525.1", "colnum": "525", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And Portugal.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "elming consideration, the overriding factor which we had to decide to justify, whether we remained isolated or not, in June, 1940, we had a united Europe, and it was the determination of this country that we should bring it to an end as soon as possible; and we did bring it to an end. Suppose we did not go in. We would be isolated with Sweden, and Norway, and Denmark, and Austria, and Switzerland—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.525.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.540.1", "colnum": "540", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jenkins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Or Diefenbaker.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jenkins", "preceding_text": "I certainly do not find that Dr. Adenauer or President de Gaulle are my ideal politicians, but nor, for that matter, do I find the Prime Minister my ideal politician.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.540.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.568.0", "colnum": "568", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "e argument, \"We have never had it so good.\" We were told that the standard of living was good and that everything in the garden was lovely. Now we are told that there is something wrong with the balance of payments, something wrong with the £ sterling, that there is the possibility of deflation, another credit squeeze is in prospect, and that our agriculture is in a chaotic and shocking condition.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.568.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.580.4", "colnum": "580", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shame.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I cannot accept the Motion. My reason is that I have not been able to get round to calling one representative even on each point of view on the Order Paper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.580.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-28", "file": "debates1961-06-28a.xml", "sha256": "fafc5577aa05e8ea", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.580.6", "colnum": "580", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Afraid of a decision.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maddan", "preceding_text": "In the speech by the hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. M. Foot) we have had some very gross misrepresentations indeed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-28a.580.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.634.0", "colnum": "634", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LEASEHOLD PROPERTY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": " has also been repeated on the Order Paper in the form of an Amendment in the name of the hon. Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. Box) and some of his hon. Friends, to a Motion in my name and the names of some of my hon. Friends on leasehold reform in South Wales? Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman at least set up an impartial committee to look at the problem in South Wales, where it is urgent?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.633.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.634.2", "colnum": "634", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LEASEHOLD PROPERTY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shocking.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "My answer is the same as before, \"No, Sir\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.634.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.689.1", "colnum": "689", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cleaver", "cue_text": "HON. GENTLEMEN: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cleaver", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friends and I have absolute confidence in the Minister, but as a Minister of Transport and not as a financier.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.689.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.701.1", "colnum": "701", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "ng of my speech that this was not a normal commercial transaction. Would the hon. Gentleman advise any of his clients to do that? Four of my hon. Friends who are chartered accountants have said that they would not do so. Although my hon. Friend the Member for Yardley expressed doubts about my financial ability, I add my weight to that of my four hon. Friends against the hon. Member for Gloucester.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.701.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.712.0", "colnum": "712", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paul Williams", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The hon. Gentleman is doing very well.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paul Williams", "preceding_text": "marole—I am sure that the Minister and many of us would be glad to get shot of it altogether, because it has gone on for too long—again to find that it costs £31 million and that Cunard does not want it after all. Does not this bring the whole process of Parliament into disrepute? Perhaps a Government director a little earlier might have been able to help us. I do not want to make partisan points—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.712.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.712.0", "colnum": "712", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paul Williams", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the fees.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paul Williams", "preceding_text": ". It might not be a bad thing to start with achieving economies on something which the majority of the Committee does not want. What about the return on the capital? Here, we see the Government being prepared to invest in a company in which there have been declining profits and increased directors' fees. Maybe it would be better to increase the number of directors and reduce the average age a bit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.712.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.715.2", "colnum": "715", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Would the hon. Gentleman prefer some of the present Ministers?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "preceding_text": "what the hon. Member for Sunderland, South (Mr. P. Williams) has said, except, perhaps, the Minister. The only part of his speech with which I found myself in disagreement was that in which he suggested suitable persons among whom we might look for directors of the company, mentioning ex-members of the Government. This company has had enough trouble without having that added burden thrust upon it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.715.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir J. Henderson-Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir J. Henderson-Stewart", "preceding_text": "o wisely in introducing the Bill, and, therefore, facilitating the building of another new ship of this kind. Of course, in the end it may turn out to be not all that we hoped; it is possible that we may be disappointed. But all that I have discovered from my researches in the Clyde suggest that we shall not be disappointed—and I frankly admit that I hope that this ship will be built on the Clyde.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.765.3", "colnum": "765", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "preceding_text": "I said that were I satisfied that the contract would not be a fair contract fairly allocated—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.765.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-29", "file": "debates1961-06-29a.xml", "sha256": "f03c4ad67834af8b", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.813.6", "colnum": "813", "heading": "Orders of the Day — NORTH ATLANTIC SHIPPING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Mabon", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Mabon", "preceding_text": "that the shipbuilding industry is facing difficulties and crises. The skills and crafts of the men are at stake, as they were twenty-five and thirty years ago. It is the obligation of this House to consider all these things. I regard this Bill as part of a larger plan to put the shipbuilding industry back on its feet and in a position to compete with the other shipbuilding industries in the world.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-29a.813.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-06-30", "file": "debates1961-06-30a.xml", "sha256": "84e19cb1022d3190", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-30a.931.0", "colnum": "931", "heading": "PUBLIC HEALTH BILL [Lords]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Allason", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is not three years.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Allason", "preceding_text": "Will my hon. Friend agree that even three years, as in the case of Scotland, is much too long?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-06-30a.931.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1007.0", "colnum": "1007", "heading": "KUWAIT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"By whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "this situation may continue for some time without being properly cleared up, would it not be a good idea to propose to the United Nations that we would be willing to support the idea of a United Nations force to take responsibility for the protection of Kuwait, since this will, at any rate, do much to get rid of the misrepresentation to which we are undoubtedly being subjected at this very moment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1007.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1063.1", "colnum": "1063", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": " the Economic Secretary. It is not an argument to say that there is only one manufacturer involved. It is not an argument to say that this is the only case that has been heard of. We have seen whole Finance Bills turned inside out because of the opposition of one manufacturer or interest, and that in recent years. I am sure that my hon. Friends would be able to think of quite a number of examples—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1063.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1067.1", "colnum": "1067", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": " significant cost to the Exchequer. I hoped that it was clear by implication from that that this would be widely used. I have given my reasons to the House for believing that we would not be wise to accept the Clause at this stage. I want to say this in all sincerity to the House. I am sure that my right hon. and learned Friend would be prepared to look at this again during the course of the year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1067.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1140.0", "colnum": "1140", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Laughter", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "follows, therefore, that approximately two-thirds of the yield of the 50 per cent. rate of Purchase Tax is derived from Purchase Tax on motor cars. 10.0 p.m. There are only four classes of goods which attract Purchase Tax at the highest rate of 50 per cent They are, first, motor cars; second, radio and television sets; third, cosmetics and toilet waters; fourth, gramophones and gramophone records.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1140.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1142.0", "colnum": "1142", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "I believe it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1142.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-03", "file": "debates1961-07-03a.xml", "sha256": "6949235428934574", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1142.2", "colnum": "1142", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "n the year of purchase. That encourages extravagance. It is totally wasteful. I have always been opposed to it. I have not had an opportunity for years to express my views on this, but I say to my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor that without any detailed knowledge—and he has no detailed knowledge either—it is no good him nodding his head at me. He does not have any detailed knowledge.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-03a.1142.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1224.2", "colnum": "1224", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stratton Mills", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stratton Mills", "preceding_text": "May I assure my right hon. and learned Friend that his efforts—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1224.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1245.3", "colnum": "1245", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Upwards.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Well, there are some differences between holding the cards very close to one's chest and putting them all, before any negotiation starts, face downwards—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1245.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1251.1", "colnum": "1251", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "does this as a temporary measure, it will find its way into the whole structure of costs and prices; and even if he were to remove the surcharge in six, nine or twelve months' time we should never see prices fall again as a result. Every time that prices have been raised as a result of any fiscal or other measure, they have become ossified permanently so far as the economic situation is concerned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1251.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1325.1", "colnum": "1325", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mitchison", "preceding_text": "I say only that I regret that the form of the Money Resolution and the rules of order do not allow us to exclude other places where there is grave unemployment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1325.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1380.1", "colnum": "1380", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FLOOD PREVENTION (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "Surely it is unfair to call this \"trickery\", Mr. Speaker.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1380.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-04", "file": "debates1961-07-04a.xml", "sha256": "fc10559c11ff1e22", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1388.1", "colnum": "1388", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FLOOD PREVENTION (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ross", "preceding_text": "ea it was. I do not believe that any such thing has happened before. I am sure that it has not. It is a reference in an Amendment which, when applied to the only Bill which is really in order, just does not make sense. What we have to take for granted is that, somehow or other, after we have passed it, some printer will reprint the thing and make sense of it. That depends on which printer does it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-04a.1388.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1468.1", "colnum": "1468", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "Whatever views may be held about Portuguese colonial policy, these were the recent events to which I was referring. The disturbances began in Luanda on 4th and 5th February. There were attacks on police stations and on prisons. It is not clear what lay behind them unless it was to release those who were detained.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1468.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1470.0", "colnum": "1470", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "Yes, a statement was issued by the Portuguese Government, on Monday, denying that they had condoned activities of this kind and denying, also, that they were using repressive measures themselves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1470.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1476.5", "colnum": "1476", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "Mr. Hale rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1476.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1477.5", "colnum": "1477", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "I was venturing to seek your guidance, Mr. Speaker. As the whole of the last ten minutes has been devoted to a discussion of Portuguese territory, and as Dr. Salazar has made it clear that previous Portuguese colonial territory—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1477.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1484.1", "colnum": "1484", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Sir Charles Mott-Radclyffe", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Charles Mott-Radclyffe", "preceding_text": "e Socialist Party when I million Moslems and Hindus were slaughtered in the inter-communal riots that followed the transfer of power in India. I should also like to remind the party opposite that their reactions to the no less horrible events—torture, rape and murder—both in connection with Mau Mau and over the Congo, were very much less vociferous than the reaction which they have shown us today.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1484.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1496.1", "colnum": "1496", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Sir Henry Studholme", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Really.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Henry Studholme", "preceding_text": "l Africans, who were suddenly murdered in the most ghastly manner. It is small wonder, however much one may deplore reprisals, if in their terror and fury these Portuguese civilians carried out such reprisals. The first duty now of the Portuguese Government—as, indeed, it would be our first duty if we were in the same position—is to restore law and order, and stern measures are necessary for that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1496.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1505.3", "colnum": "1505", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Black", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Black", "preceding_text": " a civil war is taking place and, on the other, expressing a partisan view in regard to what the actions, or, if hon. Members like, the inactions, of our Government have been. It is right to make the point that in the Baptist Union resolution, the Baptist Missionary Society memorandum and the World Council of Churches resolution there is not a word of criticism of the British Government's actions.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1505.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1", "colnum": "1522", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Government.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "preceding_text": "and, incidentally, of her form of government at home as well. The right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition made a point of that in his speech. The second criticism is of the harsh and vindictive repression carried on in North Angola. Thirdly, there is the criticism of Britain for not denouncing both Portuguese policy and Portuguese repression. And, fourthly, there is criticism of Britain—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1", "colnum": "1522", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "preceding_text": ". I should like, briefly, to quote one or two of the comments which have been made in this House. I will quote first a sentence from my own speech during the foreign affairs debate on 18th May. I said: We regret the present difficulties, and do not disguise from the Portuguese Government that our colonial policy is quite different from theirS.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 18th May, 1961; Vol. 640, c. 1585.]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1", "colnum": "1522", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "preceding_text": "ight hon. Friend the Lord Privy Seal said on 28th June: As I have said to the House previously, we have made it plain that there is a difference between our policy and that of the Portuguese Government, that we deplore the loss of life and that we hope that law and order will soon be restored there …\".—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 28th June, 1961; Vol. 643, c. 437.] That, again, is a clear indication.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1522.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1524.1", "colnum": "1524", "heading": "ANGOLA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Godber", "preceding_text": "op them. In the earlier stages they were however prevented from taking effective action to that end partly from lack of sufficient police and troops and partly from fear of precipitating clashes between the white population and the security forces. With the arrival of reinforcements from Portugal the situation has greatly improved and there is little doubt that the army is having a good influence.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1524.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-05", "file": "debates1961-07-05a.xml", "sha256": "c652efbb231d3f90", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1550.2", "colnum": "1550", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CROFTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. T. Fraser", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. T. Fraser", "preceding_text": "We had a short debate on this matter in the Standing Commit tee, but by the time we reached Clause 14 we were rushing through the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-05a.1550.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1627.4", "colnum": "1627", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HIGH COMMISSION TERRITORIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stonehouse", "preceding_text": "Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the first part of that Answer is quite incorrect?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1627.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1630.0", "colnum": "1630", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HIGH COMMISSION TERRITORIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "This is a purely hypothetical question.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1630.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1662.2", "colnum": "1662", "heading": "ANGOLA (TELEGRAM)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Foreign Office (Mr. J. B. Godber)", "preceding_text": " foresee that there would be a demand for the publication of the document in full. I now freely admit that I should have given the sense of the information, and that I was quite wrong to quote it verbatim. I trust that the House will accept my full apology for this error, and my regret that I have to say that I am advised that it would not be in the public interest to publish the telegram in full.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1662.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1667.2", "colnum": "1667", "heading": "ANGOLA (TELEGRAM)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "of the House has said that he considers this document to be one whose disclosure would be inconsistent with the public interest. Will he reconsider that statement, with every intention of erring on the side of laying it this time, if he possibly can, in order to help the House through its difficulty? If he persists in his present attitude, will he tell us what issue of public interest is involved?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1667.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1669.2", "colnum": "1669", "heading": "ANGOLA (TELEGRAM)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "What are the precedents in a case where the Government have grossly abused the procedure of the House? That is what has happened in this case. The Government have quoted a document which they now say they should never have quoted.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1669.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1672.2", "colnum": "1672", "heading": "ANGOLA (TELEGRAM)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "Would you, Mr. Speaker, allow me to put one short question to the Government which might help to clear up this matter? Will the Lord Privy Seal tell the House, did he know of the intention of his hon. Friend the Minister of State to quote this document before his hon. Friend rose to make his Speech? Did he—the Lord Privy Seal—know that that was to be done?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1672.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1675.3", "colnum": "1675", "heading": "ANGOLA (TELEGRAM)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I beg to give notice that I shall seek to raise this matter on the Adjournment. May I make this submission to you?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1675.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1679.1", "colnum": "1679", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Not on this side of the House.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "sals in this Bill have found general acceptance. I cannot refer, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, to what is not in the Bill, but I have promised to watch this matter and, depending on events, what is in this Bill may not necessarily be my last word. With regard to the two regulators, there is not very much new to say about them. On the whole, I think that they have been rather better received than I expected.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1679.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1696.4", "colnum": "1696", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sir Stafford Cripps.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": " whether the regulators proposed under Clauses 9 and 30 will be severe enough. I hope that you will not rule me out of order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, because this was said in a previous Budget debate by a very distinguished Chancellor of the Exchequer. I do not say this in any offensive manner to my right hon. and learned Friend, but I wonder if he might take a cue from one of his famous predecessors.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1696.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1696.4", "colnum": "1696", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "ite simple terms.\"— this is what he said ten years ago— Unless we can all quickly produce more and get our costs cut down,\"— that is the essence of the whole thing— we shall suffer a tragic fall in our standard of living accompanied by all the demoralising insecurity of widespread unemployment.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 26th October, 1949; Vol. 468, c. 1352–3.] No one believes that possible today.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1696.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1700.1", "colnum": "1700", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "No, I am not. The Chancellor not only has the power to raise money, but he has also the right to say how much of it shall be spent and where it shall be spent. I want him to play the Molotov and say \"No\" to those who want to spend too much. I am surely entitled to ask him to do that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1700.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1700.1", "colnum": "1700", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"GO on.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "se money, but he has also the right to say how much of it shall be spent and where it shall be spent. I want him to play the Molotov and say \"No\" to those who want to spend too much. I am surely entitled to ask him to do that. [ Interruption. ] I am sorry about this. I will pursue it no further now. On another occasion I shall seek to put my case when what I say is accepted as being more in order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1700.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1703.1", "colnum": "1703", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "omic facts as they have existed since the end of the war, and to try to learn some lessons from them. If we go back to Lord Dalton's cheap money policy, I think that history will record that that fact of cheap money was probably the most inflationary instru- ment used in this country since the end of the war, and that it was primarily responsible for the conditions which exist in our nation today.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1703.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1704.2", "colnum": "1704", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "I have no desire to get out of order. What I am simply trying to say by, I hope, a process of putting one brick on top of another, is how the fact of high taxation—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1704.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1704.2", "colnum": "1704", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cooper", "preceding_text": "Member for Gloucestershire, West (Mr. Loughlin) has made his intervention. Perhaps he will have the courtesy to listen to what I have to say. I was simply trying to build up a case, by putting one brick on top of another, that high taxation is inflationary, and that in these circumstances, the payroll tax should not be introduced. I cannot see that there is anything very much out of order in that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1704.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1710.2", "colnum": "1710", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. H. C. Leather", "preceding_text": "would do any good to go over all the ground again. I would only say to the hon. Member that I should like to think sometimes that he and his friends gave us at least the credit for holding our views as honestly and sincerely as they hold theirs. I do not dispute that their views are honestly held, but the implication of the hon. Gentleman's speech was that anyone who disagrees with him is a crook—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1710.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1715.3", "colnum": "1715", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "There is.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "There is no hurry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1715.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1732.1", "colnum": "1732", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gerald Nabarro", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gerald Nabarro", "preceding_text": "me 13¾ per cent.; the 25 per cent. rate would become 27½ per cent., and the 50 per cent. rate would become 55 per cent. If the Chancellor applied half that level of regulation the rates would change from 5 per cent. to 5·25 per cent.; from 12½ per cent. to 13·125 per cent. from 25 per cent. to 26·25 per cent., and from 50 per cent. to 52·5 per cent.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1732.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1736.1", "colnum": "1736", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"We do not.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "I am not commenting adversely on the judgment of their Lordships in any way. I am saying that it is grossly unfair that that appeal was dismissed, whereas I am allowed to charge my subscription to the Carlton Club against my Income Tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1736.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1739.1", "colnum": "1739", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FINANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "re must be some means of assessing the basis on which he arrives at his figure. I confidently look forward to receiving it, even if it has to be presented in a table, so that I can go on campaigning in the country once more in support of those living on small fixed incomes and a lower standard of living than the people who get Income Tax and Surtax reliefs. I have one other point and that is this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1739.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1776.1", "colnum": "1776", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CROWN ESTATE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harris", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harris", "preceding_text": "rds having regard to all the circumstances of the case are some let out, but it still does not override the words in Clause 1 (3) with due regard to the requirements of good management. This is very important from the point of view of property developers. I know they are not very popular, but they are doing a good job for post-war Britain. They very often do this job under tremendous difficulties.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1776.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1778.1", "colnum": "1778", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CROWN ESTATE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Willis", "preceding_text": "circumstances? The Solicitor-General did not answer that question and our case is that it would be in the interests of Scotland to have the model farm—and if that means losing a few hundred pounds a year, we still should have it. But this Bill says \"No\". The Bill says, in effect, that we shall have the American millionaire with his fifth or sixth wife, and probably her relations as well, and they—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1778.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-06", "file": "debates1961-07-06a.xml", "sha256": "61093139c0bcb4a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1855.1", "colnum": "1855", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CROWN ESTATE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": "; exercising powers conferred by or under any enactment for the supply of water. I imagine that that is the point which exercises the mind of the hon. Member for Willesden, West (Mr. Pavitt). It was not the Government's intention so to limit the purposes of any public or local authority. The Amendment makes it plain that it is not intended to be so limited, and I advise the Committee to accept it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-06a.1855.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.39.0", "colnum": "39", "heading": "BECHUANALAND (U.N. SOUTH-WEST AFRICA COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. P. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "Will the Minister represent to the Government of South Africa that if they refuse to admit the United Nations Committee, the whole of this House and the whole world will judge them as making a tacit admission that they are not fulfilling their international obligations?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.38.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.39.5", "colnum": "39", "heading": "BECHUANALAND (U.N. SOUTH-WEST AFRICA COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "With great respect, this is, of course, going very wide of the original question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.39.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.39.5", "colnum": "39", "heading": "BECHUANALAND (U.N. SOUTH-WEST AFRICA COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "With great respect, this is, of course, going very wide of the original question—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] The resolution was not a resolution of the Security Council, but a resolution of the General Assembly and, as I understand, such a resolution is not, in any case, binding. But, quite apart from the question whether we should connive at what is clearly an illegal act—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.39.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.40.3", "colnum": "40", "heading": "BECHUANALAND (U.N. SOUTH-WEST AFRICA COMMITTEE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Braine", "preceding_text": "ecretary-General of our decision, and the reasons for it. As I said in answer to an earlier supplementary question, we have not yet had any reaction to that step. I really think that the right hon. Gentleman is being unrealistic in the argument he advances in the first part of his supplementary question. It is surely right and proper for us to take a stand not to encourage the breaking of the law—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.40.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.158.3", "colnum": "158", "heading": "SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What is it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "preceding_text": "nistrators. We are told that my noble Friend's office would have a leading scientist administrator as director-general, but, it is our experience that to divorce the scientist from his laboratory reduces considerably the contribution he can make in advising the Government. That is one of the reasons why we do not believe that the Opposition's policy is right, and why we believe that our policy is.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.158.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-10", "file": "debates1961-07-10a.xml", "sha256": "cce3a18738035137", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.158.3", "colnum": "158", "heading": "SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "preceding_text": "ter, he said: A world that gives science the greatest opportunity possible for autonomous development not only possesses freedom now, but has the promise of more flexible development in the future. This policy Her Majesty's Government have been trying to carry out for the last few years and it is the policy that they will continue to carry out as opposed to the policy in the Socialist White Paper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-10a.158.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.198.7", "colnum": "198", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "Nevertheless, does not my right hon. Friend agree that this must be a costly business if we embark on it? Has he noticed the speeches made by the president of the Miners' Union and the chairman of the National Coal Board indicating that there is a loss of several millions a year owing to \"wild cat\" strikes—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.198.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.282.1", "colnum": "282", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Robert Cooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Robert Cooke", "preceding_text": "hey are more evenly distributed. Undoubtedly, the prestige of the G.P. suffered when the scheme came in. His surgery tended to be just a clearing house on the way to hospital. More patients continued to come to see him as a result of the facilities offered by the Service and, gradually, he tended to become what some people have described as nothing more than a rubber stamper of prescription forms.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.282.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.325.1", "colnum": "325", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And the world.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Richard Marsh", "preceding_text": "vice contributes an enormous amount to the prestige of the nation. We have all heard of recent events—we have got Major Gagarin with us nowadays—which may be matters for pride, but there was never an advance in rocketry, and there never will be, which engendered or will engender in the nation the pride which the establishment of the National Health Service in this country engendered in our people—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.325.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.334.4", "colnum": "334", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "bout the National Health Service. I agree with the views expressed by my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol, South (Mr. Wilkins) on this issue. The National Health Service represents the fundamental division between the two sides of the Committee. We do not believe that this world or this country should be a jungle, with the strongest grabbing what they can and those who cannot grab doing without.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.334.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.341.0", "colnum": "341", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "preceding_text": "raised a question of blood transfusion centre bottle washers. I am advised that the management side refused arbitration because the staff side claim related to bottle washers at one centre only and the case really affected bottle washers at all centres. When the staff side amended its claim to cover bottle washers at all centres agreement to arbitration was given and there has been a recent award—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.339.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-11", "file": "debates1961-07-11a.xml", "sha256": "cee93107bdac962a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.342.1", "colnum": "342", "heading": "NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE, ENGLAND AND WALES", "cue_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "cue_text": "interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "preceding_text": "ptions dispensed. This is very much in the same neighbourhood as the month of June on previous occasions. I want to say something about the hospital capital programme, because the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Mr. Boyden) said that it was a great pity that the capital programme was not announced ten years ago. Ten years ago, we on this side were just getting down to this job and it is the case—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-11a.342.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.380.1", "colnum": "380", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "preceding_text": "I should think that recent events in Kuwait showed how valuable an aircraft carrier is, not only to provide radar cover and control facilities—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.380.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.384.5", "colnum": "384", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "If I may stick to the Question on the Order Paper, there were no discussions about arms—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.384.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.401.2", "colnum": "401", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Thomas", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Thomas", "preceding_text": "e to pay a premium of £180 and the ground rent would go from £3 10s. to £12 10s. He refused the offer. That was in March, 1959. In September, 1960—possibly his circumstances had altered—he came back to the same corporation and was told that he could have his lease renewed, but that the ground rent would go from £3 10s. not to £12 10s., but to £20, and that the premium would be, not £180, but £500.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.401.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.413.5", "colnum": "413", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They do.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "If they have bought the freehold they do not pay rent any longer—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.413.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.415.0", "colnum": "415", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, no.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "ale), proposed that the price payable on the compulsory enfranchisement of the leasehold should be the fair market value of the reversion, with the sitting tenant protected by the Rent Restriction Acts, so there is a division of view, quite obviously, in the party opposite. That is what is meant by a fair price for acquisition, and that division of view has been present throughout all our debates.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.415.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.419.3", "colnum": "419", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "Before the right hon. and learned Gentleman sits down, will he tell the House whether he has any criticisms whatever of the present system of leasehold tenure of land, and, if so, what they are?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.419.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.426.7", "colnum": "426", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "In 1891 there were 20,000 houses. It is, therefore, quite impossible for the leases of 12,000 houses to fall in in the next twenty years—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.426.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.431.4", "colnum": "431", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Who makes the tables?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "e in 30 days. It is typical of the hon. Member for Cardiff, West to get a series of mis-statements into this debate and a series of emotional statements which have no foundation in fact. I have given some instances. If the ground landlord offers to sell the freehold for the price of the reversion calculated according to the tables, then it seems to me that he is offered a fair and reasonabe price.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.431.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.432.2", "colnum": "432", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "I cannot give way. I must answer the hon. and learned Member for Cardigan (Mr. Bowen).—or if the market price has gone up for that house in those two years, the market price is the reversion price, discounted by 5 per cent. In the majority of cases, when a tenant asks for the sale of the reversion, he is himself wanting to sell the house.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.432.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.432.10", "colnum": "432", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sit down.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman says that he knows a good deal more about it than I do. I have shown by my quotation from the speech of the hon. Member for Cardiff, West that he was not aware of the facts.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.432.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.433.1", "colnum": "433", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What are the directors' fees?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Gentleman catches the eye of the Chair he will be allowed to reply to my speech. I want to bring the facts to the attention of hon. Members.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.433.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.433.8", "colnum": "433", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foster", "preceding_text": "In conclusion—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.433.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.434.1", "colnum": "434", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Llywelyn Williams", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Llywelyn Williams", "preceding_text": "I do not want to refer to the speech to which we have just listened from the hon. and learned Member for Northwich (Mr. Foster). I think that it was in shocking taste, and I strongly disapprove of the whole idea of an Englishman interfering in Welsh affairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.434.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.448.1", "colnum": "448", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Rees", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is true.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Rees", "preceding_text": "e that they will not buy the ground rent because the price is iniquitous. As a valuer—putting on my other hat, not charging them a fee for it—I have worked out the figures, which have been very fair. When I explain to my constituents, they reply that their ancestors before them had paid the ground rent through the years and it has been paid for over and over again. That is the way they look at it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.448.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.448.1", "colnum": "448", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Rees", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Rees", "preceding_text": "se the price is iniquitous. As a valuer—putting on my other hat, not charging them a fee for it—I have worked out the figures, which have been very fair. When I explain to my constituents, they reply that their ancestors before them had paid the ground rent through the years and it has been paid for over and over again. That is the way they look at it. [HON. MEMBERS: \"It is true.\"] It is not true.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.448.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-12", "file": "debates1961-07-12a.xml", "sha256": "390e95bccecc9f3d", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.456.1", "colnum": "456", "heading": "LEASEHOLD REFORM, WALES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I will scrap the speech I intended to make, as we have to vote at ten o'clock.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-12a.456.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.562.6", "colnum": "562", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "Will my right hon. Friend bear in mind that practically every Question that he has answered today has asked him to spend more money? Will he bear in mind that we are facing an economic crisis—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.562.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.572.5", "colnum": "572", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NORTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Next Question.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Manuel", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.572.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.573.3", "colnum": "573", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NORTHERN RHODESIA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "Surely, the onus is on the hon. Member. He has put in a charge, like that in Question No. 24, that twenty-nine africans were recently convicted for shouting \"Kwatcha\". If he will produce evidence of that, I will look into it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.573.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.584.0", "colnum": "584", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order. Has not the hon. Member for Lewes (Sir T. Beamish) used his eyes or his ears this afternoon to find that there is not a single Scottish Question on the Order Paper?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.584.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.593.0", "colnum": "593", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Emrys Hughes", "preceding_text": "In view of the fact that Kuwait seems to be the strangest military campaign since the grand old Duke of York's—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.593.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.593.6", "colnum": "593", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "May I support the plea of my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, West (Mr. G. Thomas) for a full day's debate on the Visiting Forces (Application of Law) Order, in view of the strong opposition in the country and in this House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.593.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.594.5", "colnum": "594", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the House may be in need of a technical answer about the Statutory Instrument for visiting forces under the Visiting Forces Act, 1942, which amended the 1952 Act?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.594.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.686.0", "colnum": "686", "heading": "SHIPPING AND SHIPBUILDING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "preceding_text": "h the Prime Minister laid before the President of the United States. I should have thought that the sequel to that would have been that the Government would have taken a positive line—I do not need to use the vocabulary which my right hon. Friend the Member for Easington suggested to the Government—and have done something with the American Government to bring matters to a more positive conclusion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.686.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.694.4", "colnum": "694", "heading": "SHIPPING AND SHIPBUILDING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Austen Albu", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Austen Albu", "preceding_text": "o so. I once nearly caused a strike on the Tyne when I was asked to drill some holes in an office for the foreman when I did not happen to be a driller. But that is rather a long time ago, and the Tyne has a good reputation in this respect. I believe that the workers in the industry would have greater security were they prepared to accept more flexibility in their jobs as, for instance, in Sweden—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.694.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.724.2", "colnum": "724", "heading": "POTATOES (PRICES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. As we would have expected—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.724.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.725.0", "colnum": "725", "heading": "POTATOES (PRICES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ondition which says \"a producer of potatoes\". Although you have your duties to perform and, as we all agree, they are very well performed—that is not only meant for you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, but for all those who service you—if the Government come to us with an Order like this and, although they are the commanders of their time, cannot arrange that we can get the Order, we are being asked to perform—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.725.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-13", "file": "debates1961-07-13a.xml", "sha256": "345977063eb826fc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.739.5", "colnum": "739", "heading": "POTATOES (PRICES)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "On that point, Mr. Speaker, if you heard somebody say \"No\", then I give way. I did not hear anybody say \"No\". May I ask whether on an issue of this kind anybody does want to say \"No\" to my hon. Friend?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-13a.739.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-14", "file": "debates1961-07-14a.xml", "sha256": "ac795c13cb5293ac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-14a.771.1", "colnum": "771", "heading": "WHITE FISH AND HERRING SUBSIDIES", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "preceding_text": "ved a telegram from the Aberdeen Trawler Owners' Association which includes these words: North Shields, Gramon, Aberdeen, Grimsby, adversely affected by declining catches. They want us to oppose these Schemes. Today I have received a letter dated 11th July from the president and secretary of the Grimsby Trawler Officers' Guild. The letter says this: The proposals contained in the Statutory Order\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-14a.771.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-17", "file": "debates1961-07-17a.xml", "sha256": "d5404f7f2eb880cf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.875.9", "colnum": "875", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stratton Mills", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Was it too small?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stratton Mills", "preceding_text": "While thanking my hon. Friend for that reply, may I ask him if he does not feel that as B.E.A., particularly, and other airlines have a strictly enforced \"no-tipping at all\" policy, there is considerable confusion in the minds of people using our airports? Will he also bear in mind that, as I once had a tip returned to me by a French porter at a French airport—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.875.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-17", "file": "debates1961-07-17a.xml", "sha256": "d5404f7f2eb880cf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.888.1", "colnum": "888", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "May I then address my question to the Leader of the House", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.888.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-17", "file": "debates1961-07-17a.xml", "sha256": "d5404f7f2eb880cf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.903.1", "colnum": "903", "heading": "EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Education (Sir David Eccles)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Education (Sir David Eccles)", "preceding_text": "John Newson—who has taken the place of Lord Amory, who I regret very much has had to resign—is now studying this very problem and, with its help, we can confidently look forward to a good deal more variety and advance in the tops of our secondary modern schools. Anyway, if one judges by two severe tests: first, the feeling about the 11-plus, which is strikingly less than it was say five years ago—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.903.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-17", "file": "debates1961-07-17a.xml", "sha256": "d5404f7f2eb880cf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.988.1", "colnum": "988", "heading": "EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Eirene White", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Cheap\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Eirene White", "preceding_text": "d that is a waste of the most precious educational material we have. We have accused the Minister in the past of complacency. He complained about that in the debate last week on science, but we still believe that he is over-complacent—or gives the impression of being over-complacent. He may not be able to help it, but he gives the impression of being complacent from his smooth hair to smart boots.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-17a.988.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1042.8", "colnum": "1042", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stones", "preceding_text": "nd technical faculties in the United States and that in the same year in the U.S.S.R. there were 114,600 graduates in the same subjects, whilst in Brit tin in 1957 there were only 10,879 graduates? I understand from information provided by H.M. Stationery Office that the present aim of Her Majesty's Government is to increase the annual output from 10,000 to 20,000 in the next ten to fifteen years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1042.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1043.0", "colnum": "1043", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "preceding_text": "I think that the hon. Member in his speech—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1043.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1043.0", "colnum": "1043", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Freeth", "preceding_text": "I think that the hon. Member in his speech—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—slightly tended to compare like with unlike. It is not always fair to make a comparison with the United States and U.S.S.R., because standards differ. I would remind the hon. Member that the Statistics Committee of the Advisory Council on Scientific Policy is presenting a report—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1043.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1051.3", "colnum": "1051", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ask a question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "preceding_text": "I cannot say that these efforts are in any way successful, and I wish to add—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1051.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1051.3", "colnum": "1051", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ask a question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jones", "preceding_text": "I cannot say that these efforts are in any way successful, and I wish to add—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Ask a question.\"] I am coming to my supplementary question. In the meantime, I hope that hon. Members who interrupt me appreciate the time that they are wasting. The point is that this makes a tremendous contribution—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1051.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1061.6", "colnum": "1061", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — COMMON MARKET", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON.MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I was not aware that it had been answered. Unfortunately I was not called to ask a supplementary question to the Answer to a lot of Questions, and that is why I thought that my Question had not been answered. May I ask this supplementary question—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1061.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1065.2", "colnum": "1065", "heading": "BURIAL OF OFFENDERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Pannell", "preceding_text": "I beg to move, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend section six of the Capital Punishment Amendment Act. 1868. I hope that it will not be thought presumptuous of me to seek leave to bring in this Bill at this stage, when we are about to debate the burial of the Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1065.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1081.4", "colnum": "1081", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBER.S: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "position for giving way. Evidently, he has not read the OFFICIAL REPORT. Did he not observe the words that followed, addressed to his hon. Friend the Member for Sowerby (Mr. Houghton), during an intervention by me in his speech, that it is grossly unfair that I am allowed to do that, whereas a trade union member cannot charge his union subscriptions against his tax? I used that as a lurid example—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1081.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1088.2", "colnum": "1088", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "s to use those facilities. The more that can be said about that and the more it can be brought home to industry generally, the better it will be. The other point about our export trade is how rapidly it is changing in pattern. It is changing in area and by composition. The Commonwealth market has fallen as a percentage largely because the high degree of protection that we had in the Common Market—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1088.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1095.4", "colnum": "1095", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Including the Government.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": " either side of industry, and it means also a willingness to abandon any unnecessary restraint on training within industry. I think that one of the most depressing features that I have seen in industry in the last two years has been the failure, which is a failure all round, to train adequate apprentices and skilled men in industry. The blame for this can be widely distributed among all concerned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1095.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1123.3", "colnum": "1123", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hynd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hynd", "preceding_text": "s to a cut in the tax bill from nearly £11 million to £8,500,000\"— etc. This is what the Government policy has been—the handing out of largesse in the form of hundreds of millions of pounds to people who do not need it, and, at the same time, urging economy and sacrifices on the workers. One could go on in this way about our old friend Mr. Gibson Jarvie, chairman of United Dominions Trust Limited—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1123.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1139.1", "colnum": "1139", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Prime Minister.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "preceding_text": "oon, either Marconi or General Electric will get a contract for the supply of television control boards for the package-deal television stations which the Roumanians are selling all over the Eastern countries. My right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition referred to professionalism in selling. First of all, we have to learn that exporting is not fun. The Minister who perpetrated that bromide—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1139.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1157.1", "colnum": "1157", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "On the contrary, I was pointing out the contrast between one of our unions and organised labour in America, if the Teamsters' Union is a fair sample, as I think it is.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1157.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1158.1", "colnum": "1158", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Curran", "preceding_text": "s. The Chancellor has to take into account what I prefer to call the politics of envy. Without any question of whether it pays him to do it, he must penalise the expense account plutocracy. He must do something to gibbet the gossip-column plutocrats, not because it will pay him to do it—I do not believe that it will—but because it will give the greatest pleasure to the masses to see it being done.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1158.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1167.1", "colnum": "1167", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stanley R. McMaster", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stanley R. McMaster", "preceding_text": "rson, we should not need to use these new regulators which the Chancellor has introduced. The regulators are blunt weapons. They have been used frequently during the past ten years. First we use the accelerator, and then the brake. Now we have a better brake, perhaps a disc brake. I urge the Chancellor to be careful how he uses such a fierce brake lest the driver himself go through the windscreen.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1167.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1167.1", "colnum": "1167", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stanley R. McMaster", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Surtax payers?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stanley R. McMaster", "preceding_text": " the Government but to hon. Members opposite. Hon. Gentlemen opposite have admitted freely in their speeches in the debate that we are facing a severe crisis, and if they admit that and agree with it they must be prepared to join with the Government in taking the steps which will put it right. There is a task here for all classes in the economy which not only concerns employees but also employers—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1167.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1171.1", "colnum": "1171", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "cial dodge of the Prime Minister's. So it really is a libel on right hon. Gentlemen opposite to say that they have no plan. They have a plan, but it is not directed towards our national economic strength. It is directed to keeping the Conservatives in power. Tonight, again, the Prime Minister is not with us. It is really becoming a scandal that the First Lord of the Treasury is not here to answer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1171.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1180.1", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He said it today.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "ree vital years. As we all know, the Prime Minister is more responsible than anyone else for the smug complacency which has pervaded the nation as a result of successive speeches he has made. While his own Chancellor has been telling us how serious the economic situation has been, the right hon. Gentleman has been travelling the country saying that we have never been so well off, and all the rest.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1180.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1180.1", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "the betting shop. Is that a contribution to service and sacrifice? What service and sacrifice do we get in an economy where the genuine hardworking business men, executives, scientists and salesmen are subordinated under a system which exalts the take-over bidder, the tycoon, the financier, share-pusher, speculator and property racketeer and in which some of our staple industries have so declined—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1180.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": " to discover these lines: Have more than thou showest, Speak less than thou knowest, Lend less than thou owest. That is a very good precept for right hon. Gentlemen opposite, and I hope that they will ponder those lines and their implications carefully. I study the Press carefully, and I read the article which the right hon. Gentleman wrote called, \"Ten Wasted Years\". Have they really been wasted?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "an thou knowest, Lend less than thou owest. That is a very good precept for right hon. Gentlemen opposite, and I hope that they will ponder those lines and their implications carefully. I study the Press carefully, and I read the article which the right hon. Gentleman wrote called, \"Ten Wasted Years\". Have they really been wasted? [HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"] Civil employment is up by 1½ million.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Contributions.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": " [HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"] Civil employment is up by 1½ million. [ Interruption. ] I am surprised that right hon. and hon. Gentlemen opposite regard the retention of full employment as a matter of such small significance. Average weekly earnings in real terms have gone up by a third. The purchasing power of the National Insurance pension has gone up 40 per cent. in real terms—17s. a week more.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not enough.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "urprised that right hon. and hon. Gentlemen opposite regard the retention of full employment as a matter of such small significance. Average weekly earnings in real terms have gone up by a third. The purchasing power of the National Insurance pension has gone up 40 per cent. in real terms—17s. a week more. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Contributions.\"] In addition, 2¾ million new houses have been built,—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "ent. These are what are described as the wasted years. As the hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) pointed out, throughout that period we have sustained a defence programme and an aid effort overseas which has made very heavy demands on our economy. I point out to right hon. Gentlemen opposite that we have done this without the aid of £300 million to £400 million of American aid each year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3", "colnum": "1188", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "is to the advantage of the country to have a capital gains tax. In America they think it is and they have a schedule about a foot high of all the rules and regulations. It would involve a new and complicated system and a considerable drain on the administrative resources available. We should find that all the best brains in the country would be concentrating at once on how legally to get round it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1193.0", "colnum": "1193", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "a schedule about a foot high of all the rules and regulations. It would involve a new and complicated system and a considerable drain on the administrative resources available. We should find that all the best brains in the country would be concentrating at once on how legally to get round it. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] Of course we should, and right hon. and hon. Members opposite would be in the lead.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1188.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1193.2", "colnum": "1193", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman (Major Sir William Anstruther-Gray)", "preceding_text": "Order. I hope that the Committee will allow the right hon. Gentleman to deliver his speech.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1193.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1193.3", "colnum": "1193", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "If night hon. and hon. Gentlemen opposite really think that they would not like paying as few taxes as posible they are deceiving themselves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1193.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.0", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "attitude towards costs whatever the origin, and a relentless rooting out of inefficiency—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.1", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": " easy in the home market, and export costs must be reduced. The right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition talked about the old, dreary collection of familiar expedients. He listed them and said that some may be necessary. I do not comment today, except on what I regard as a national weakness. When we have averted a short-term crisis, we rather tend to sit back and 'congratulate our selves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-18", "file": "debates1961-07-18a.xml", "sha256": "f6f8312eec4d7ab4", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.2", "colnum": "1194", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "verted a short-term crisis, we rather tend to sit back and 'congratulate our selves. [ Interruption. ] Really, the memories of hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite are very short, because during their period of administration we had considerable experience of this. On at least two occasions, when short-term crises were averted, there was this feeling that there was nothing really to worry about.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-18a.1194.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1227.2", "colnum": "1227", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL AIR FORCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "preceding_text": "We are giving active thought and study to this problem.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1227.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.3", "colnum": "1234", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "I will gladly withdraw the words \"concealing the truth\" and substitute \"disguising the facts\". Is it not a fact that the right hon. Gentleman made a statement in this House last week which he well knew to be untrue—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.5", "colnum": "1234", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "I will try again, Sir. Is it not a fact that the right hon. Gentleman made a statement in this House last week—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.7", "colnum": "1234", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "That is so, Mr. Speaker. I withdraw, but I will try again. Is it not a fact that the right hon. Gentleman made a statement in this House last week which was incorrect, which he knew to be incorrect, and which he took no—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1234.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1235.2", "colnum": "1235", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "I should like to make a categorical statement—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1235.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1253.3", "colnum": "1253", "heading": "ROYAL AIR FORCE (GROUND READ-OUT STATION, ICIRKBRIDE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"How long?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "preceding_text": "I stress the word \"simultaneously\". The warning time that we shall get would vary with the location of any rocket by which we were attacked, the trajectory of the rocket and various other circumstances peculiar to the mode of attack. In all circumstances the station would give us, on our present calculations, a considerable margin over and above that which we would get from the Fylingdales system.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1253.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1319.0", "colnum": "1319", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "In that case, would the Minister care to explain why, when he announced his decision to the House last week, he referred to the darkening international scene? Why did he do that? He deliberately linked this decision with the present international tension. Why did he do that?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1318.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1321.3", "colnum": "1321", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Irvine", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Very good, too.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Irvine", "preceding_text": "matter like this. The first thing to be recognised is that there must be an Order if the German forces are to come here at all. If they come here without an Order there are several very complex and undesirable consequences. First of all, it would not be possible for any German soldier to carry a firearm. I understand that the German forces would be prevented from doing so by the Firearms Act, 1937", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1321.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1346.1", "colnum": "1346", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "et over a little better. I well understand that we are debating an affirmative Order. I well understand that the decision will be taken tonight It does not necessarily follow that I have to share the responsibility for the Order If I do not share the responsibility for it, it does not automatically follow that I, therefore, have to take the responsibility of saying that the decision will be wrong.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1346.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1346.3", "colnum": "1346", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And Scotsmen in Scotland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " and even before the first war. I think that to that extent there is a case here, and that is one of my difficulties. It may be that I feel that the urgency of the absolute need at this moment does not go all that strongly through the Minister's case, but I see this other point. I am often asked to make the case that it would be better to train the Germans in Germany and the Englishmen in England.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1346.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1355.2", "colnum": "1355", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Donnelly", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Donnelly", "preceding_text": "I am trying to put it in proper perspective. I do not believe that the working men and women of Wales take the same attitude as my hon. Friend. The Welsh Regional Council may well be well advised to think again about this issue.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1355.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1363.0", "colnum": "1363", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Woodford.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "on, what is the reason? People do not realise that the right kind of Germans were always the first and worst victims of the wrong type of Germans. The tragedy of Europe arises out of the tragedy of Germany that ever since Bismarck's day the control of German destinies has been in the hands of the wrong Germans. What has been the result? The right hon. Gentleman the Member for—it used to be Epping—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1363.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1363.0", "colnum": "1363", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "worst victims of the wrong type of Germans. The tragedy of Europe arises out of the tragedy of Germany that ever since Bismarck's day the control of German destinies has been in the hands of the wrong Germans. What has been the result? The right hon. Gentleman the Member for—it used to be Epping—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Woodford.\"] Yes, the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Woodford (Sir W. Churchill)—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1363.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1367.1", "colnum": "1367", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "There are ways.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1367.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1367.1", "colnum": "1367", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "There are ways. [ Laughter. ] There are windows, there are ropes and there are ladders.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1367.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1", "colnum": "1383", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "es of the next. Casuistry, logic of a kind—if it can be called that—and all manner of arguments are offered. We ask for evidence of opposition on the benches opposite. Some of us still remember how the Tories treated the right hon. Member for Woodford (Sir W. Churchill) when he alone on those benches accused them of supporting the Anglo-German Fellowship and the build-up of Germany before the war.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1", "colnum": "1383", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "ny before the war. [ Interruption. ] We cannot expect anything else from that type of monolithic party as it is now. It has lost its guts. It has lost its grit. It is giving a completely amoral lead economically, socially and militarily to the world. Hon. Members opposite have not even the courage to criticise the mistakes of the United States Government but follow them as sycophantically as ever.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1", "colnum": "1383", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "he Germans will move? They will move the way that suits themselves. We are building up Germany, as the Daily Mail pointed out the other day, so that 40 per cent. of the people in the forces are German and 100 per cent. of the naval forces, and an air force that will be six times stronger than ours. Then, the Government tell us that to bring in 600 troops to my little country will defend the world.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1383.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1384.1", "colnum": "1384", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Davies", "preceding_text": "e German people against their will. Millions of the German people do not want it today. I remember being at the conference of the French Socialist Party in the village of Puteaux outside Paris, when the Socialist Party of France said that because England had voted for the rearmament of the Germans, they must do the same. There comes a time when somebody has to take a decision and put a stop to it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1384.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-19", "file": "debates1961-07-19a.xml", "sha256": "9e98f5b35f4193a1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1392.1", "colnum": "1392", "heading": "VISITING FORCES (APPLICATION OF LAW)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member is getting out of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-19a.1392.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1492.1", "colnum": "1492", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Mr. Henry Brooke)", "preceding_text": ", it is for leasing below the market rents, then where is the profit to the State, which the hon. Gentleman said was to be used for all those admirable purposes and possibly to provide an additional source of revenue for local authorities, and so on? If this land is to be leased below the market value how is it to be rationed out? The free working of the price system deals with that kind of thing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1492.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1", "colnum": "1589", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "preceding_text": " to whether these prices are interfering in any way with the legitimate programmes and hopes of the people. Thirdly, what- ever the answer to the second question may be, whether, as a separate question, the community should and could recover for itself more of the profit that may be made out of these land prices. I maintain that this country is going through a process of adjustment in land prices.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1", "colnum": "1589", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "preceding_text": "eful in restricting what a purchaser will be willing to pay is the discipline that can be imposed in a whole area by the rules made by one or more building societies, limiting the advances they are prepared to make to some multiplier of earnings. There is evidence in some areas that this discipline has had an effect in keeping the rise in the prices of land lower than it would otherwise have been.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1", "colnum": "1589", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "preceding_text": "the discipline that can be imposed in a whole area by the rules made by one or more building societies, limiting the advances they are prepared to make to some multiplier of earnings. There is evidence in some areas that this discipline has had an effect in keeping the rise in the prices of land lower than it would otherwise have been. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"] There is also evidence in some areas—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1", "colnum": "1589", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where are these areas?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Housing and Local Government (Sir Keith Joseph)", "preceding_text": "pe that the hon. Member for Enfield, East (Mr. Mackie) will not misunderstand me when I say that those areas are ideal for the sort of constituents of whom he spoke, if their desire to find a home of their awn with their limited resources exceeds their desire to stay very close to their place of work. There are areas, therefore, which are available to those who are free to move. The second factor—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1589.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1594.2", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Money.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir K. Joseph", "preceding_text": " and the purchase of his land for £890 in 1953 and the sale of that land for £11,000 in 1961, is a typical example of what can now no longer happen, but what would be common practice all over the country if the Labour Party's scheme was put into practice. Will the commission sell this land at the price it was bought for? Is it going to sell it for the current value? For what will it sell the land?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1594.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8", "colnum": "1598", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I wish simply to put this point. I have carefully read the document to which the Parliamentary Secretary has been referring. I was associated in drawing it up and I am pointing out to the Parliamentary Secretary that it is absolute rubbish to suggest that it is going to—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8", "colnum": "1598", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "carefully read the document to which the Parliamentary Secretary has been referring. I was associated in drawing it up and I am pointing out to the Parliamentary Secretary that it is absolute rubbish to suggest that it is going to—[ Interruption. ]—it is not my time that hon. Members opposite are taking up. What I was about to say to the hon. Gentleman is that it is not true to say that this will—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8", "colnum": "1598", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "ssociated in drawing it up and I am pointing out to the Parliamentary Secretary that it is absolute rubbish to suggest that it is going to—[ Interruption. ]—it is not my time that hon. Members opposite are taking up. What I was about to say to the hon. Gentleman is that it is not true to say that this will—[ Interruption. ]—I will try again. I want to put it to the hon. Gentleman that it is false—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-20", "file": "debates1961-07-20a.xml", "sha256": "2b895599c46af9af", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8", "colnum": "1598", "heading": "Orders of the Day — LAND (PRICE AND USE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "—[ Interruption. ]—it is not my time that hon. Members opposite are taking up. What I was about to say to the hon. Gentleman is that it is not true to say that this will—[ Interruption. ]—I will try again. I want to put it to the hon. Gentleman that it is false—[ Interruption. ] Well, if hon. Gentlemen will not accept that, I will put it in another way. I will put it again; that it is quite wrong—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-20a.1598.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-21", "file": "debates1961-07-21a.xml", "sha256": "b1ddfc641ef58ad9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-21a.1708.0", "colnum": "1708", "heading": "NATURE CONSERVANCY (RESEARCH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "tleman was then speaking about some of the things that really matter. How nice that was, and how nice it is to realise that in this curious place that spends so much of its time talking about destruction, the continuance of life has its place, but not politically speaking. No doubt if these wretched birds become Socialists or something like that, then, I suppose, they will have to be exterminated.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-21a.1708.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.33.2", "colnum": "33", "heading": "TUNISIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brockway", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that Tunisia, among North African countries, was probably the most sympathetic to the West? To prevent growing between Tunisia and France, will he exercise the utmost influence on France to withdraw from her military bases in Tunisia—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.33.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.42.6", "colnum": "42", "heading": "POST OFFICE (INCREASED CHARGES)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "Will the right hon. Gentleman have an investigation made?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.42.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.66.1", "colnum": "66", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "The President of the Board of Trade (Mr. Reginald Maudling)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The President of the Board of Trade (Mr. Reginald Maudling)", "preceding_text": "The Report on Industry and Employment in Scotland shows a substantial improvement in the position of employment, investment and production in Scotland. No one who reads it with any objectivity at all can deny that—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.66.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.69.1", "colnum": "69", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is old-fashioned.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "two things. Very often, if we were to force certain industrial expansions, say for the export trade, to development districts, such development would not be economic because of extra costs—the carriage of components and high management costs, and so on. It would be of no benefit to Scotland or to any other part of the United Kingdom to force an industry to do anything which made it uncompetitive.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.69.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.71.1", "colnum": "71", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": " districts. From April, 1960, to April, 1961, the percentage fell from 5 per cent. to 4·1 per cent. and on the latest figures it was down to 3·5 per cent. I should have thought that a considerable improvement. The largest decreases were in Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and Shotts, Peterhead and Buckie, and Bathgate, but I agree that there are places in which the situation has got worse.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.71.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.72.1", "colnum": "72", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about the figures?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": " went up by 30 per cent. compared with only 18 per cent. in the United Kingdom as a whole. That is one example in which I am glad to see Scotland getting ahead of the average for the whole United Kingdom. I am sure that the hon. Member for Hamilton would welcome that. Turning to the prospects as revealed by the Report, which are covered very clearly in paragraph 177 onwards, I think that there is—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.72.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.77.3", "colnum": "77", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "They are in the pipeline.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.77.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.77.3", "colnum": "77", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "An HON MEMBER: \"There's a hole in the pipeline.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "They are in the pipeline. [An HON. MEMBER: \"Oh.\"] The hon. Member is making a mystery—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.77.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.78.1", "colnum": "78", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not the bad weather.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "e to look as sympathetically as we can at projects of expansion in that area. However, I think that, largely, they will have to be based upon the local agricultural and forestry industries and the uses and developments of the products of those industries. Of course, there is the extremely important tourist industry which, I am glad to say, showed last year, despite the bad weather, an improvement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.78.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.89.1", "colnum": "89", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir J. Henderson-Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir J. Henderson-Stewart", "preceding_text": "Well, whenever it was—two years ago, was it? They have been welcome, but a great deal more needs to be done. No doubt we shall hear something about that tomorrow.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.89.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-24", "file": "debates1961-07-24a.xml", "sha256": "bf24576fb84699d9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.152.0", "colnum": "152", "heading": "SCOTLAND (TRADE AND INDUSTRY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Myer Galpern", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Myer Galpern", "preceding_text": "How does this beautiful picture compare with the most damaging and utterly untrue allegation made by the President of the Board of Trade that Scottish management was less efficient than that in England?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-24a.152.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-25", "file": "debates1961-07-25a.xml", "sha256": "fbe75d7af806b975", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.190.4", "colnum": "190", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF WORKS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hamilton", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order, may I have an opportunity to rephrase the questions—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.190.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-25", "file": "debates1961-07-25a.xml", "sha256": "fbe75d7af806b975", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.205.1", "colnum": "205", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "Horn. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "What have you done about it since on 21st March—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.205.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-25", "file": "debates1961-07-25a.xml", "sha256": "fbe75d7af806b975", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.231.1", "colnum": "231", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Eden", "preceding_text": "Before my right hon. and learned Friend concluded that he should in any way reduce any overseas spending, what consideration did he give to the question of the financing of the social services generally? For example, is it still justifiable that the State should bear about £68 million a year on school meals and milk?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.231.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-25", "file": "debates1961-07-25a.xml", "sha256": "fbe75d7af806b975", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.235.2", "colnum": "235", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-25a.235.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.398.8", "colnum": "398", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I am not very keen on the imputation made by the hon. Member. The selection of an officer is on merit only—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.398.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.398.8", "colnum": "398", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rubbish.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I am not very keen on the imputation made by the hon. Member. The selection of an officer is on merit only—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] It is on merit only—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.398.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2", "colnum": "433", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "the policy of Her Majesty's Government as outlined by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 25th July for the purposes of upholding the strength of sterling, improving the balance of payments and maintaining a sound basis for the continuing prosperity of the nation. I promised the House yesterday that the making of a rather long statement then would enable me to take up less of the House's time today", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2", "colnum": "433", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Resign.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "e time, it imposes a very large demand upon our resources, and is in itself responsible for part of the overload. Unless we have a pause in additions to personal incomes and in public and private expenditure on less essential things we cannot have soundly based long-term growth. For such growth to take place I believe that the most helpful action which the Government for their part can take is to—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2", "colnum": "433", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Mr. Selwyn Lloyd)", "preceding_text": "eferred yesterday, the salaries increase of the teachers in England and Wales, my right hon. Friend has this morning, in accordance with my statement yesterday, intimated the Government's willingness to accept an increase, not the full one asked for, but one the bill for which will be £42 million. As this figure shows, there is no question of singling out the teachers for discriminatory treatment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.433.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.463.0", "colnum": "463", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What are you paid for?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "preceding_text": "e the will we can keep our place in the world and be far more prosperous than we are now. It is a question of having the will. From the Government we must have courage, integrity and perseverance. My right hon. and learned Friend has shown courage and integrity. What I hope he will show is perseverance as well. It is the right and duty of the Opposition to criticise—that is what they are paid for.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.458.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.463.1", "colnum": "463", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"' In the old days the value of our currency was not a party issue. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Humbug.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "preceding_text": "They need not show perseverance, but they ought to show a minimum of integrity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.463.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.484.4", "colnum": "484", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Darling", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Darling", "preceding_text": "ve Government, but five years is a dickens of a long time. A figure frequently used is that the average figure of earnings of our workers in this country is about £15 a week. That figure is frequently used by Ministers to try to show how prosperous this country is. The fact is that a very large proportion of the workers of this country get about £9, £10 or £11 a week. I am speaking of men workers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.484.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.509.1", "colnum": "509", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir P. Roberts", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir P. Roberts", "preceding_text": "nd the President of the Board of Trade as closely as I ought. I do not know whether my hon. Friend is arguing that, for instance, the amount of money which must have gone out on the purchase of barley recently has helped our balance of payments. Is he saying that? Is that his suggestion? Is he suggesting that the increased travel allowance has helped our balance of payments? Is he suggesting that?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.509.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.550.1", "colnum": "550", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"About time.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Mr. Anthony Barber)", "preceding_text": "nditure we came to the conclusion that it would be wrong to ask Parliament to approve an Order which contained a safety margin of that size. We decided, therefore, that the proper course was to revoke the original Order and replace it with the one which is now before the House. I will now deal with the other Order which the House will be considering and I will then come on to more general matters—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.550.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.553.2", "colnum": "553", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "pal measures of my right hon. and learned Friend to deal with our difficulties in the short term and it has been referred to by innumerable hon. Members throughout the debate. Certainly, whether one agrees or disagrees that it is necessary to take action to deal with the growing pressure of home demand, there can be no doubt that the imposition of the surcharge will have a very significant effect.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.553.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.553.2", "colnum": "553", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": " of purchasing power at the rate of £210 million a year, or £130 million if it were to remain in force for the remainder of this financial year at the full rate of 10 per cent. I want to clear up one misconception which seems to have arisen concerning the calculation of the surcharge which will be paid along with the duty or tax at the normal time of payment. This calculation will be quite simple—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.553.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-26", "file": "debates1961-07-26a.xml", "sha256": "ada1514e0f1b327c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.556.5", "colnum": "556", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "y taxation during the course of the year. Again and again, my right hon. and learned Friend said that neither he nor any Chancellor could predict with accuracy the course of the economy over the year. It is not just a matter of attempting to forecast the course of events at home, but of making an assessment of the many and varied influences and actions abroad which bear upon our situation at home.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-26a.556.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.601.1", "colnum": "601", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that many valuable Private Members' Bills are killed by methods—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.601.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.612.1", "colnum": "612", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " many examples of which are all around us? It might have been too much of a political pill to expect him to swallow, but why did he not at least suspend the Surtax gifts he has promised to his wealthy supporters? Why did he not make a real move in on capital gains and other tax evasions, instead of the tentative, half-hearted proposals he is making? I mention these things for no party reason, but—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.612.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.612.1", "colnum": "612", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "capably, in some respects, to reduce our competitiveness. It is bound, because of the price it puts upon expansion, because of the price it puts on—is there anything wrong with the Economic Secretary, the hon. Member for Doncaster (Mr. Barber)? I listened to him last night, and he might perhaps now listen to the answer to what he said. It would be more intelligent than just sitting there grinning.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.612.1"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.617.3", "colnum": "617", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "Is the right hon. Gentleman arguing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.617.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.618.1", "colnum": "618", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Exports.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "The problem is that we have not raised our production as high as our competitors", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.618.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.618.1", "colnum": "618", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ah.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "The problem is that we have not raised our production as high as our competitors [HON. MEMBERS: \"Exports.\"] Had we raised our production, our competitive production, and increased our exports—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.618.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.1", "colnum": "621", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "When hon. Gentlemen opposite say that they do not believe me, they do themselves discredit, not me. I urge them to go and check these facts for themselves. All the public services, agriculture, a very large part of the mining industry—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.3", "colnum": "621", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ne will not accept. We would be far better to realise that personal incomes at this low level are bound to rise. Workers on £8, £9, £10, or £11 a week cannot be asked not to want higher personal incomes. It is an absolute waste of time to argue that one can stop them rising. The thing to argue about is how one can relate the rise to productivity to ensure that it is paid out of increased earnings.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.3", "colnum": "621", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "vised not to have accepted the Burnham award when it was made. But, had they accepted it, it would not have made any difference, because it would not have been ratified until today and, in any case, the Chancellor made his statement yesterday. Nevertheless, I urge hon. Members to think of their case and I put this to the Prime Minister in the hope that he is still approchable. I know a young girl—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.621.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.628.1", "colnum": "628", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Sir Edward Boyle)", "preceding_text": "he right hon. Gentleman's remarks—that the regulator which my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has introduced falls comparatively heavier on foodstuffs than on television sets. In case that is taken up outside, I should put the record right straight away. As far as food goes, the regulator affects only the duties on sugar, tea, cocoa, coffee and chicory, all of which —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.628.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.629.2", "colnum": "629", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not in Scotland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "mployment and unfilled vacancies. There is no doubt that these figures reveal a very tight situation. In July, the unemployment percentage was only 1·2. In five of the ten regions of Great Britain, the unemployment percentage was below 1. Unfilled vacancies were well in excess of the number of unemployed, and there are labour shortages over by far the greater part of the country as a whole.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.629.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.631.1", "colnum": "631", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "easons I have given, my right hon. and learned Friend had to bring about an effective restraint on total home demand. The only way to cope with the problem of excess demand is by limiting or curtailing the general level of purchasing power by one means or another. My right hon. and learned Friend has tried by these measures to spread the burden broadly between different sections of the cornmunity—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.631.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.631.1", "colnum": "631", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": " of the Opposition complained on Tuesday that there was no measure which seems likely in any way to increase productivity or exports of British industry\".— [OFFICIAL REPORT, 25th July, 1961; Vol. 645, c. 235.] The decision of my right hon. and learned Friend to give this relative degree of priority to productive investment, in sharp contrast to what was done by the Leader of the Opposition in 1951", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.631.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.633.1", "colnum": "633", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They have suffered for it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "ayer is not paying his full share of the cost of our social benefits. The second and more important point is that ordinary families have just as great an interest as anybody in hoping that we secure the national objectives at which the Government are aiming. They could not possibly be exempted from the evil consequences which would follow if we suffered a disaster in our overseas economic position", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.633.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.639.0", "colnum": "639", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": ", which neither he nor any of his colleagues ever attempted to operate? The Government are often advised by the benches opposite to see what lessons they can learn from the French system of economic planning. So far as I am aware, there is no suggestion in France today that the success of the French plan depends either on an extension of public ownership or on the application of physical controls.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.639.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.659.1", "colnum": "659", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir A. Spearman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir A. Spearman", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman has been here some little time now, and must know that party politics depend on supporting one's party even if one does not think it right—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.659.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.705.1", "colnum": "705", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "preceding_text": "e to life. Today, my hon. Friend the Financial Secretary to the Treasury quoted a very interesting article by the Leader of the Opposition in Socialist Commentary of, I think, July, 1955, which, I thought, in a non-partisan way admirably explained the reasons for this. Those reasons are nothing to do with the Prime Minister. But I believe —and we all accept this—that this country needs a shake-up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.705.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.711.1", "colnum": "711", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ainly had no doubts about it. He was very concerned with public expenditure. We all remember his Budget speech in 1956, with that splendid passage about the picture of Mr. Gladstone. He said: I am told that some former Chancellors —I will not specify them—could not stand those eyes looking at them, day by day, reproachful and nostalgic. That was just his usual way of getting at the Home Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.711.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.721.1", "colnum": "721", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "But he did something about it as well. We have offered a large number or specific suggestions in the course of this debate. Both my right hon. Friend the Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson) and my right hon. Friend the Member for Belper, whose remarks on industrial relations today I thought tremendously impressive, have put forward a number.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.721.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.721.1", "colnum": "721", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "hange in climate, for neither the right hon. Gentleman's outlook nor his record suggest that this is possible. He has heard a good deal about the famous phrase \"You have never had it so good\" and he still goes on using it. He is loyal to his own phrases, at least. This is his great discovery. But is it a discovery? Barring wars, it has been happening year by year for at least a century in Britain.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.721.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.723.3", "colnum": "723", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "We are now drawing to the end of a debate in which there have been a great number of views expressed on our problems, and yet, I think, a very large measure of agreement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.723.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.723.3", "colnum": "723", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ture, on defence and aid, has gone up, and at the same time—this is really a new feature—there has been this sudden, serious, and even dramatic fall in the invisibles. The shipping earnings have fallen, partly because of the increased mercantilist policies being pursued by many Governments. The dividends from former overseas investments have fallen, partly due to the forced realisation in the war—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.723.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Resign.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": " adopt the measures calculated to deal with it. We have a special responsibility to give a lead in restraint in our capacity as an employer, and we intend to discharge that duty. In industry as a whole we can but set an example. In a free society the Government cannot compel but only persuade, but if we do our part I am confident that the people of the country will not be backward in doing theirs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "s. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Resign.\"] Hon. and right hon. Members opposite might listen. We listened to them, but there it is, they are incapable of listening. It has been complained in the debate that we are leaving untouched the profits made by speculators in shares and land, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced that this is a matter which he will deal with not later than next year's Budget.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": " the Exchequer has announced that this is a matter which he will deal with not later than next year's Budget. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] The reference to next year seems to excite a certain derision among hon. Members opposite but the Surtax remission which arouses their anger will not become effective until January, 1963. Let me read to the House some rather sensible words about Surtax, which I read —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1", "colnum": "724", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ing, in fact, is to tax profits to pay for a much-needed incentive to the men whose work is the source of those profits, and that seems to me to combine both economic justice and good sense. But hon. and right hon. Members opposite have been attacking in this debate and in the one before—with a great deal of rather synthetic indignation, I think—the policies and record of Her Majesty's Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.724.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1", "colnum": "727", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "nd, \"Do they suppose we have no memories?\" He asked that rhetorical question. Indeed, we have. But why should I appeal to my own memory or to the memories of my hon. Friends? Why gaze into the crystal when one can read the book—Lord Attlee's book, Lord Morrison's book, Lord Dalton's book—incidentally, it was Lord Dalton who took away Mr. Gladstone's portrait—and, I hope, soon Lord Shinwell's book?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1", "colnum": "727", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "d I appeal to my own memory or to the memories of my hon. Friends? Why gaze into the crystal when one can read the book—Lord Attlee's book, Lord Morrison's book, Lord Dalton's book—incidentally, it was Lord Dalton who took away Mr. Gladstone's portrait—and, I hope, soon Lord Shinwell's book? [ Interruption. ] During these years we received from North America by way of special loans £2,000 million.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1", "colnum": "727", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ee's book, Lord Morrison's book, Lord Dalton's book—incidentally, it was Lord Dalton who took away Mr. Gladstone's portrait—and, I hope, soon Lord Shinwell's book? [ Interruption. ] During these years we received from North America by way of special loans £2,000 million. [ Interruption. ] During the period of the Conservative Government, we have had to pay off £630 million in capital and interest.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.727.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.728.1", "colnum": "728", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Finally, when the crises came—the last was the worst —I will not say that they ran away but they walked out.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.728.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.729.1", "colnum": "729", "heading": "ECONOMIC SITUATION", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And Tory Government.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Others contend that the trade unions in recent years have lost control of the situation; that there are too many foolish disputes and strikes about nothing; too little flexibility; and that restrictive practices based on long departed conditions—conditions in this happy period of which the right hon. Gentleman reminded us when we had 2 million or 3 million unemployed, which he thought so splendid—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.729.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.756.1", "colnum": "756", "heading": "CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTIES AND PURCHASE TAX", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "omic Secretary told us something very vague and confusing. I invite him to make it clear. The next thing I ask the Government is why they decided to put 10 per cent. on everything. The answer is not that that was the only power they had, because that is not so. They have power to put 10 per cent. on the whole of Customs and Excise and less than 10 per cent. on different categories of Purchase Tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.756.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-27", "file": "debates1961-07-27a.xml", "sha256": "8749d7837478ddbe", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.760.1", "colnum": "760", "heading": "CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTIES AND PURCHASE TAX", "cue_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "ch the Opposition have got themselves over this matter is exemplified by what the hon. Member for Birmingham, Northfield (Mr. Chapman) has just said; that because of this Order people who otherwise would have bought a motor car will no longer do so, and that will result in unemployment in his constituency. His right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition this afternoon said exactly the opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-27a.760.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-28", "file": "debates1961-07-28a.xml", "sha256": "9d5e1ebe3cfd8336", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.781.7", "colnum": "781", "heading": "Orders of the Day — PUBLIC HEALTH BILL [Lords]", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Mrs. McLaughlin.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "Question amended, by adding at the end: and in respect of the new Clause (Turnstiles in public sanitary conveniences), and the Amendments to the Title, lines 6 and 8, standing on the Notice Paper in the name of Mrs. Patricia McLaughlin.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.781.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-28", "file": "debates1961-07-28a.xml", "sha256": "9d5e1ebe3cfd8336", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.791.2", "colnum": "791", "heading": "Orders of the Day — PUBLIC HEALTH BILL [Lords]", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "Mrs. McLaughlin.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "(2) Where, at the commencement of this Act, access to, or to any part of, a public sanitary convenience provided as aforesaid, and under the management of a county council or local authority, is obtained by means of a turnstile, the county council or local authority shall before the expiration of twelve months from the commencement a this Act substitute some other means of access.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.791.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-28", "file": "debates1961-07-28a.xml", "sha256": "9d5e1ebe3cfd8336", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.818.1", "colnum": "818", "heading": "Orders of the Day — PUBLIC HEALTH BILL [Lords]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. McLaughlin", "preceding_text": "In view of what my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary said clarifying his previous statement, that there will be further consideration of this matter and that action will be taken, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-28a.818.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.925.7", "colnum": "925", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Powell", "preceding_text": "I said that I had no statement to make at present; but I have not promised a statement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.925.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.1", "colnum": "934", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "nly for the people of this country, but for the free world, and that he proposes to consult E.F.T.A., proposes to consult the Commonwealth and all interested parties, can we have an assurance from him that before he comes to a final conclusion after negotiations, assuming he goes into negotiations and finds everything satisfactory from that angle, he will then consult the electors of this country?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.4", "colnum": "934", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "proceed, to see what progress can be made, one of two things will happen. Let us be clear about it. It may be that the six countries of Europe will say, \"All your derogations, everything you ask for British agriculture, for the Commonwealth, for your E.F.T.A. partners, is quite out of the question\", in which case the negotiations will end very quickly. It may be that they will say, \"We do accept\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.4", "colnum": "934", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"With the Whips on?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "o accept\"—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"] I am going to answer in my own way. This is a grave issue. It may be, therefore, that the negotiation will fall to the ground within a few weeks. There will be very grave effects for the life of Europe if that happens. It may be that it will proceed in a very detailed way, over a great number of details, commodity by commodity. Then it will be put to Parliament—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.5", "colnum": "934", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "Is the Prime Minister aware that he has made a shocking statement, full of political double-talk?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.934.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.935.1", "colnum": "935", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sit down.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "told to sit down by Mr. Speaker, but I cannot be told to sit down by the Prime Minister. Is the Prime Minister aware that this decision to gamble with British sovereignty in Europe, when 650 million people of the British Commonwealth depend upon his faith and his leadership, is the most disastrous thing that any Prime Minister has done for many generations past? I would say to the Prime Minister —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.935.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.935.3", "colnum": "935", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY (GOVERNMENT POLICY)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman has stated a point of view which he will, no doubt, repeat in debate. Meanwhile, I can only say that I think he has quite loyally maximised his support in this decision.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.935.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.945.5", "colnum": "945", "heading": "IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "His \"right\"?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I cannot tell the right hon. Gentleman that. I do know that when a Member has, by the procedure laid down by this House, been declared by the judges to have been duly elected, we have not done anything to get in his way in his right to come in and take his seat.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.945.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.994.5", "colnum": "994", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Henderson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Henderson", "preceding_text": "eech, which my hon. Friend quoted, recognised what he called the Soviet Union's concern about their security in Central Europe. There is equal concern in Poland about the Oder-Neisse line. In German circles there is concern over what is in effect the partition of Germany. In my view, there will be no stability in Central Europe until these anxieties are removed from both sides of the Iron Curtain.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.994.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1018.5", "colnum": "1018", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Goodhew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is cheek.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Goodhew", "preceding_text": "do so on radio programmes in the uncommitted countries, the rights and wrongs of the present position. We must make certain that everyone throughout the world who is watching this crisis develop knows exactly why there is a crisis, who is promoting it and who are doing their best to prevent it. Above all, we in the House should send a message of loyalty and united support to the Foreign Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1018.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1026.0", "colnum": "1026", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He has gone away.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Driberg", "preceding_text": "isis? As August approaches, the Government have the inestimable advantage and relief of getting rid of Parliament, sending us away for several months. I imagine that the hon. Member for St. Albans thinks that this is a very good thing, since he believes that Parliament exists only to support the Government of the day. He probably thinks that it would be a good thing if we were in permanent recess—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1026.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-07-31", "file": "debates1961-07-31a.xml", "sha256": "2eaf6eb19f1668ff", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1048.1", "colnum": "1048", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Well done.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "nt that has been there in the last two weeks while he was there and haw much it was being used by propagandists in Kuwait to show what kind of friends the Sheik has in us as the friends of the French who are doing these things in Bizerta. Although, as I can understand, we cannot expect the Government all the time to be cracking down on our N.A.T.O. allies about everything—there is a limit to this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-07-31a.1048.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1125.3", "colnum": "1125", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LOCAL GOVERNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Studholme", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Studholme", "preceding_text": "Is he aware that these five acres have been advertised for sale three times and that Mr. Bickle's agents did not make a bid because any offer would have had to include—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1125.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1323.3", "colnum": "1323", "heading": "Orders of the Day — IMMIGRATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I am very concerned about this. If I could speak to my friends in the churches, I would say that the sooner they bring back their foreign missions and concentrate on saving their home bases, the better it will be for the Christian religion in this country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1323.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1394.1", "colnum": "1394", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TEACHERS (SALARIES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "free wage negotiation which we have built up. The only difference between free man and slave is that the free man has the right to withdraw his labour. Many members of the Conservative Party have been tempted in recent months to challenge our right to withdraw our labour. We shall see, because in the next few months we may well find that the Government have ideas about legislating against strikes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1394.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1409.2", "colnum": "1409", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TEACHERS (SALARIES)", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Eccles", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Eccles", "preceding_text": "r, but by enabling the Minister's representatives to sit with the Burnham Committee at an early stage and point out what we know about the different shortages of teachers in the schools. After all, the Minister of Education, with all his H.M.Is. to help him, with the central position of the Ministry, is likely to know something about the real, urgent needs of the schools. At the moment we are not—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1409.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1412.1", "colnum": "1412", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TEACHERS (SALARIES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Willey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Willey", "preceding_text": "Before the Minister spoke several of my hon. Friends and the hon. Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) said that this debate afforded him the opportunity to make a statement. Having heard that statement, I think that it is most unfortunate that he has been afforded that opportunity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1412.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-01", "file": "debates1961-08-01a.xml", "sha256": "b8cd35024be18363", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1412.1", "colnum": "1412", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TEACHERS (SALARIES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Willey", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Frederick Willey", "preceding_text": "hat will only aggravate a very difficult situation. Before the right hon. Gentleman spoke, it was believed that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was mainly responsible for the present difficult position. The right hon. Gentleman has made it clear that he would have intervened in any case, whether there had been an economic crisis or not. By and large, he apparently regards the teachers as overpaid.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-01a.1412.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1451.0", "colnum": "1451", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL AIR FORCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Amery", "preceding_text": "According to my information, there is no aircraft that we could borrow in the time scale that would fill the bill far which the Belfast is required. I should also point out that the Bill for which it is required—that is to say, the freight which it is expected to carry—will also not be in general service for some time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1451.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1459.5", "colnum": "1459", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRANSPORT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Silly.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "That may be the case, but Dr. Beeching has taken over a large administration employing well over half a million people and this is a matter for him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1459.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1469.9", "colnum": "1469", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SHIPPING", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "I am afraid that this must be considered and is now being discussed in the light of the Chancellor's statement.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1469.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1473.1", "colnum": "1473", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — RAILWAYS", "cue_speaker": "The Home Secretary (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Home Secretary (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": "I have been asked to reply.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1473.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1477.0", "colnum": "1477", "heading": "HOUSE OF COMMONS ACCOMMODATION (COMMITTEE'S REPORT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Craddock", "preceding_text": "Members do not seem to be capable of closing the gates after them, other hon. Members have to continue to walk up to the top of the building. This happens frequently. The lift was out of order only last week and it is high time—and this should be a priority—that a second lift was installed to the Upper Committee Corridor. This is a very serious matter. I know that an important debate is to follow—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1476.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON.MEMBERS: \"0h.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "hat if we were to negotiate our entry, as we now intend to do, this should have been done much earlier. Certainly, the economic position today could hardly be weaker than it is. This is one of the points which we make in our Amendment. I heard it said in Europe—I heard it said only last week-end—that we are looked upon as a liability to the E.E.C. if we join and that, therefore, we have no option.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"By our own independent decision.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ng that we have to commit ourselves for all time, for twenty, fifty or a hundred years hence. There is no reason to do that. But we must be clear that what the President of the Board of Trade said in 1959 is not true and that there is no commitment at all, even to eventual federation. That must be left open. I hope that that will be cleared up beyond any possible doubt in the course of the debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " and very powerful indeed, should continue. It is very foreign, as I think all hon. Members will agree, to our ideas of the position of civil servants. The Commission is responsible to the Assembly only in the sense that on a two-thirds vote of the Assembly it can be dismissed, but it does not regard itself in any way as under the Council of Ministers. It is an independent body parallel with them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1494.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1530.1", "colnum": "1530", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Blyton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Blyton", "preceding_text": "Dutch and Germans and keep our Commonwealth friends out? At the same time are we to send our people to work in these Continental countries? Are we to tell the people of Britain, as we must do, that if we join the Common Market and there is no work for them here they must go to work on the Continent? What about wages? Continental wages are lower than ours. German wages are lower than British wages.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1530.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1541.0", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Shepherd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And more money.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Shepherd", "preceding_text": "is not my noble Friend aware that some of the countries with which we shall be in direct competition have shorter hours than ours, longer holidays—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1541.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1541.1", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "n South-East Asia. The Russians are not making a very great success of the trade war, or even of the cold war, in parts of the world, such as Africa, where we have created a vacuum by leaving precipitately, or threatening to do so. These vast industrial machines are not good at the process. We do better with Out \"small ship\" philosophy—the one that defeated Napoleon and defeated the King of Spain.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1541.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1571.1", "colnum": "1571", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Sir Lynn Ungoed-Thomas", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Lynn Ungoed-Thomas", "preceding_text": "ntagon conception of the reply to the Communist challenge. It is ominous that the watershed in the Government's decision in this matter—the decisive moment—is the Kennedy-Macmillan meeting. Of course, America would have advantages from our going into Europe. She would have the advantage of having us in as part of the military organisation of Europe, to the same extent as Germany and France are in.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1571.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1595.3", "colnum": "1595", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Article 238.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": "decision\". That is a little inadequate in relation to what is required of the House of Commons and of both major parties. The country is entitled to know whether the Government have the support of the House of Commons in making this decision. Anyone who objects to this decision is clearly declaring his unwillingness to contemplate joining with our European neighbours in any circumstances whatever.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1595.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-02", "file": "debates1961-08-02a.xml", "sha256": "dd6192406ed7eaca", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1602.3", "colnum": "1602", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maudling", "preceding_text": " are great and the difficulties of staying out are equally great, but what we must not say is that, whatever we do, we must go in at any price. This alternative is equally untrue. There is the whole of the rest of the world for us to make a living in if we want to do so and have to do so. If we are efficient and really competitive, we shall prosper outside, but we shall prosper even better inside.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-02a.1602.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1642.2", "colnum": "1642", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "No formal approach has been made for a review of the grant. Lord Munster, as Honorary Treasurer of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association, has written to my right hon. and learned Friend informally, and to other officers of the Association, seeking their views on an expansion of the Association's activities. I am not prepared to say what advice he has received.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1642.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1643.4", "colnum": "1643", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Barber", "preceding_text": "Unless the rates charged by the Public Works Loan Board are kept in line with those ruling in the market, local authorities borrowing from the Board would be at an advantage or a disadvantage—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1643.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1665.0", "colnum": "1665", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "Zealand delegation\"— a very good friend of this country's, Walter Nash— opened the proceedings in words I shall never forget. 'We have not come to ask you \"What can you give?\" but simply \"What do you need?\" When you stood alone you preserved our freedom for us. Now tell us what butter, what neat, what grains you need, and—whatever the sacrifice may be for the New Zealand people—we will supply it.'", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1655.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1679.1", "colnum": "1679", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "the machinery which would then be in the state it had reached after our negotiations. What one can deduce from the Amendment is that my right hon. and hon. Friends are not absolutist about sovereignty. It is clear from the wording of the Amendment that they are prepared to see some contribution of sovereignty for these purposes. They are not absolutist in saying that there must be no contribution.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1679.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1697.1", "colnum": "1697", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "preceding_text": "urke). He was asked what would happen if the negotiations failed. The Prime Minister replied that if our negotiations fail quite a lot of things will happen and quite major chances may have to be made in the foreign policy and in the commitments of Great Britain \"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 31st July, 1961; Vol 645, c. 937–8.] I think that the House and the country would like to have that clarified.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1697.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1715.11", "colnum": "1715", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. C. Pannell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. C. Pannell", "preceding_text": "ht hard and long about it, have come to the conclusion that it is the next great step in our island history. It is not a matter of presiding over the break-up of the Commonwealth. It is the ushering in of a new sense of national greatness. In conclusion, I say to the Government that although, of course, we press the Amendment, speaking for myself and, I believe, for the majority of my col-leagues—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1715.11"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1721.2", "colnum": "1721", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macmillan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Suez?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macmillan", "preceding_text": " of the new Commonwealth. For those of us interested in the possibilities of the United Kingdom taking independent action, as I am sure some of my hon. and right hon. Friends who object to this Motion are, I should say that it was not European countries which have voted against it or abstained at the United Nations, nor even entirely the new Commonwealth, but some members of the old Dominions too.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1721.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1756.1", "colnum": "1756", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "nd to us that we set about doing certain other things. The problem in negotiating now is that there are powerful people in Europe who believe that it was only when the European central banks came to an end of the aid which they were prepared to give us that the Government developed a change of heart. This is a tremendous weakness in the Government's negotiating position. I am not pleased about it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1756.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1756.1", "colnum": "1756", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Do you?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "remendous weakness in the Government's negotiating position. I am not pleased about it. [ Laughter. ] Not at all. I understand this country and I am proud of it. I am not pleased with it, but the Government had better understand that this is the cross under which they have to negotiate and this is the rod which they have made for their own backs. If we want to make a success of these negotiations—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1756.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1762.1", "colnum": "1762", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ounds for wondering whether they will or can be successful, but we hope that they will be. We hope to see a result which will meet the proper concern of people in all parts of this House and in the country as a whole. We hope that the result will be something directed to an acceptable economic social policy for us and for our partners. But this I must say. There really must be no more double talk—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1762.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1762.1", "colnum": "1762", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "er concern of people in all parts of this House and in the country as a whole. We hope that the result will be something directed to an acceptable economic social policy for us and for our partners. But this I must say. There really must be no more double talk—[ Laughter. ] The difficulty in this House is that hon. Members are very good until about 9 o'clock, after which they rather go off colour.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1762.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1768.1", "colnum": "1768", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "are felt by a number of hon. Members on this issue. I propose—and I hope that it will be helpful—to give a clear and unequivocal answer to the three points raised in the Amendment. I imagine that great thought was given to the drafting of the Amendment and I believe that it summarises very clearly some of the anxieties felt by my right hon. and hon. Friends. First, the Government have no thought —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1768.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1768.1", "colnum": "1768", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "nt and I believe that it summarises very clearly some of the anxieties felt by my right hon. and hon. Friends. First, the Government have no thought —[HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] This is an important issue. The Government have no intention of bringing before the House proposals which would involve any derogation of British sovereignty outside the sphere specifically covered by the Treaty of Rome.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1768.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1770.1", "colnum": "1770", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman had not interrupted, he would have seen that I was dealing with the Amendment. I shall be quite unequivocal. I am dealing with the Amendment. If the right hon. Gentleman had read my right hon. Friend's Amendment he would know that that point is dealt with, and I shall deal with it now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1770.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1770.3", "colnum": "1770", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1770.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1771.1", "colnum": "1771", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Why not have sufficient faith not to go into it?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "urer. My noble Friend the Member for Dorset, South (Viscount Hinchingbrooke), the hon. and learned Member for Leicester, North-East (Sir L. Ungoed-Thomas) and the hon. Member for Houghton-le-Spring (Mr. Blyton) expressed doubts whether British industry will be able to hold its own in competition with its Continental rivals. I have more faith in the skill, energy and inventive powers of our people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1771.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1771.2", "colnum": "1771", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "embley, South (Mr. Russell) and other hon. Members urged that as an alternative to joining the Common Market we should seek to expand our trade with the Commonwealth. They suggested that Commonwealth preferences should be increased for this purpose and that G.A.T.T. should be revised to make this possible. It is, I think, quite inconceivable that we could get a change in G.A.T.T. for this purpose.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1771.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-08-03", "file": "debates1961-08-03a.xml", "sha256": "2d792b145ae7ca61", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1775.1", "colnum": "1775", "heading": "EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Foot", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-08-03a.1775.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.3.1", "colnum": "3", "heading": "TRISTAN DA CUNHA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Colonies (Mr. Reginald Maudling)", "preceding_text": "H.M.S. \"Leopard\" arrived at the island on 13th October and was able to recover a good deal of the islanders' movable property. Arrangements are now in hand for the islanders' reception and accommodation here, but no decision will be taken regarding their resettlement until it is possible to consult them. I am sure that the House would wish to express sympathy for the islanders in their misfortune.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.3.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.9.3", "colnum": "9", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Mr. Iain Macleod)", "preceding_text": ", I hope that hon. Members will allow me to refer to the passing of an ex-Member of this House. As the House will know, this is my first appearance as Leader of the House, and it was with great sorrow that I learned today that a former Leader of the House, my noble Friend Lord Crook-shank, has died. I am sure that we as a House would wish to express our regret at this sad loss to his many friends.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.9.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.12.5", "colnum": "12", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I am very sorry. I will ask those concerned to make them better. In the meantime, perhaps Ministers and other hon. and right hon. Gentlemen would be good enough to keep their voices up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.12.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.21.1", "colnum": "21", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "That question had best be addressed to the United Nations. It is not for Her Majesty's Government to decide when that point had been reached, except to use their judgment afterwards.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.21.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.25.1", "colnum": "25", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I think that the right hon. Gentleman will realise, from his long experience of these matters, that these are confidential negotiations which involve the British Government and a number of other Governments—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.25.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.25.1", "colnum": "25", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I think that the right hon. Gentleman will realise, from his long experience of these matters, that these are confidential negotiations which involve the British Government and a number of other Governments—[ Interruption ]—and that in the course of these negotiations a considerable number of documents are bound to be prepared and circulated between the negotiating parties—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.25.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.26.1", "colnum": "26", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about the House?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I can give that assurance because I have already seen the High Commissioners in London and have given them very full information, verbally and personally—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.26.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.38.5", "colnum": "38", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "August. The third point is this. I suppose that it can be said—and I believe that this is the view of General de Gaulle—that, although we may have to negotiate in due course, the wise tactics are not to take the initiative but that it is better that we should wait. He would argue, \"After all, we stand by the status quo. It is the Russians who want to alter it. Let them come forward with proposals\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.38.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-17", "file": "debates1961-10-17a.xml", "sha256": "8ced3906f62c3c03", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.151.1", "colnum": "151", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And in the House of Commons.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Beamish", "preceding_text": "ading United Nations officials, which is an important matter as well. May I now say a word about self-determination. I have noticed to a growing extent that many people who talk about self-determination seem to maintain double standards. They say things which when analysed are illogical, and often equivocal as well. One expects remarks to which one can apply those adjectives from the Soviet Union—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-17a.151.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0", "colnum": "183", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Do they not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "should have spent so much time in his speech yesterday, at a moment when the confidence of the uncommitted countries in our sympathy and good will is perhaps the most important pre-condition to the survival of the United Nations organisation as a whole, in a prolonged attack on the uncommitted countries on the ground that they observed what he called a double standard of judgment in world affairs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0", "colnum": "183", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Cheap.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": " been growing in leading Government spokesmen in the last few weeks to pose as crusaders for spiritual values in the struggle against the world's materialists. Frankly, I think this sort of posture striking comes no better from them than it did from Mr. Foster Dulles—especially when the temple of their religion is the bingo parlour and when their first beatitude is \"You have never had it so good.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0", "colnum": "183", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": " if he were to do that in the face of Communist exploitation of internal strife that would be tantamount to authorising a Communist take-over of one small country after another. Really, the Government cannot have it both ways. If it is all right to intervene in internal affairs to prevent a Communist take-over then it is all right to interfere in internal affairs to prevent a capitalist take-over.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.183.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.213.1", "colnum": "213", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\"0h.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "ject—somebody else with greater authority than I have. We are all very glad to see the right hon. Member for Woodford (Sir W. Churchill) here, and we hope that he is in good health and will remain so for many years to come. We all have a great affection for him, although we have disagreed with him many times. I hope that he will be interested in what Lord Montgomery said in a speech the other day.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.213.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.216.3", "colnum": "216", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "terday, along with two other colleagues, I signed a letter to him. In it we sent him the full statement which was sent to me by Mr. Khrushchev and we asked for his comments. That is the way to get things stirred up. The Government cannot do it. The Opposition Front Bench cannot do it, so we have to do it. I am not blaming my own Front Bench, I know that the occupants have a great deal of trouble —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.216.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.232.2", "colnum": "232", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Eden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Eden", "preceding_text": " we are playing it the right way. Personally, I am a great supporter of the way in which the Foreign Secretary and others under him have been handling this extremely difficult, tricky and drawn-out situation. They have played it long and played it cool. In the face of many severe threats and much bubbling from Mr. Khrushchev, they have been playing this with the greatest possible diplomatic skill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.232.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.246.3", "colnum": "246", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Greenwood", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Greenwood", "preceding_text": "We can, of course, go on with this argument—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.246.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.251.1", "colnum": "251", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": " that, for I do not know. But my suspicion is that America wants to get us into Europe. The real malaise, and the real reason why a debate like this is pretty useless, is that, as has been said by other hon. Members this afternoon, our influence is declining almost weekly. The best, the most effective, contribution our Prime Minister made to foreign affairs during the holidays was to shoot grouse.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.251.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.251.1", "colnum": "251", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "An hon. Member: \"Whose temperature?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "embers this afternoon, our influence is declining almost weekly. The best, the most effective, contribution our Prime Minister made to foreign affairs during the holidays was to shoot grouse. [ Laughter. ] Hon. Gentlemen on that side may laugh. They may even be agreed about that, but they always laugh too soon. I means that; because I believe he was utterly right to try to bring temperatures down.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.251.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.258.2", "colnum": "258", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "Of course the hon. Member's guess was completely wrong, but Lord Beaverbrook has guts, too; a lot of guts. However, the people I was going to mention were, first of all, President Tshombe—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.258.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.258.2", "colnum": "258", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Does it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fell", "preceding_text": "Roy Welensky has been up against the British Government for two years, fighting every inch of the way against the British Government, against African opinion all over Africa, against interference of American special ambassadors. Had he not stood by his guns—or suppose he had collapsed two years or a year ago and given way—do hon. Members think the Central African Federation would now exist at all?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.258.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-18", "file": "debates1961-10-18a.xml", "sha256": "b9a3d56380f7c934", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.293.1", "colnum": "293", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "tion of that terrible experience when I was 18 or 19. I threw myself into brotherhood meetings, League of Nations meetings, and trade union activity. I stand here after twenty-six years' membership of the House and claim that I have made my contribution. I stand here a more convinced Socialist than ever, believing that our way is the only way out for mankind. Most of my party do not agree with me—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-18a.293.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.334.3", "colnum": "334", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "HON, MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": "With your permission, Mr. Speaker, and that of the House, I should like to make a statement about the replacement of the \"Queen Mary\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.334.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.334.3", "colnum": "334", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Transport (Mr. Ernest Marples)", "preceding_text": " Majesty's Government should be held open pending a final decision. The Government's agreement to assist the building of a ship to replace the \"Queen Mary\" was based on the understanding that an order for the new ship would be placed this autumn, and that the ship would be in operation at the earliest possible date thereafter. The decision which the company has now reached creates a new situation—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.334.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.340.3", "colnum": "340", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Resign\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "I really think that the only thing the Government can now do is to—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.340.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.342.6", "colnum": "342", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "That is exactly what the Government did by passing the Act.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.342.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.343.3", "colnum": "343", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "May I raise a point of order with you, Mr. Speaker? The Minister has purported to answer a question I raised; he did so in terms which had nothing to do with the question I raised.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.343.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.343.3", "colnum": "343", "heading": "\"QUEEN MARY\" (REPLACEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is the point of order?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": ". Speaker. The question I raise with you, Mr. Speaker, is that the terms of the election manifesto by the Government party were the supporting of the building of a \"Queen\" liner. It will be apparent to you, Mr. Speaker, that there was, in that manifesto quotation, nothing about the Cunard Company, but simply a statement about the replacement of a ship, to which the Government committed themselves.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.343.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.354.3", "colnum": "354", "heading": "AFRICAN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Callaghan", "preceding_text": "sors, political events have so crowded upon the table of Colonial Secretaries over the last few years that there has not been sufficient time to consider the economic implications of some of our political actions. I am constantly reported in the Press as being anxious to take over the job of Colonial Secretary, but I look at what he has to do and I am not sure that I am not in the best place here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.354.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.395.1", "colnum": "395", "heading": "AFRICAN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. E. L. Mallalieu", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The trains running on time?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. E. L. Mallalieu", "preceding_text": "ertheless, I must say that the speech he made with regard to Ghana reminded me very much of speeches I heard in the House when Mussolini was coming well up into the saddle. It was said, \"We must be statesmanlike. We must not be too critical of what is going on inside Italy. The trains are running on time\". The same thing, sometimes in those very words, is said now about what is happening in Ghana.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.395.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.445.0", "colnum": "445", "heading": "AFRICAN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Cheer up.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Richard Nugent", "preceding_text": "ss of transition could be achieved only if we in this country were prepared to use force on a massive scale, sufficient, virtually, to coerce the minds of the whole of the African communities. I do not believe for a minute that anybody here wishes to do that. I am quite certain that the nation as a whole does not wish to see that done—and, in any case, I doubt whether we could do it for very long—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.441.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.478.1", "colnum": "478", "heading": "AFRICAN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "al control of land ownership is also being courageously tackled. A start has already been made by amending the Land Apportionment Act, and I understand that the United Federal Party Congress recently voted for further far-reaching reform, with the aim of removing further restrictions on the acquisition of land by persons of all races. That represents a revolution in thinking and in progress there—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.478.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.493.1", "colnum": "493", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "He was naturalised.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "Can the hon. and learned Member say whether this gentleman's litigation in order to establish his right to be a British subject had any other object than to enable him to claim compensation under these arrangements?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.493.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.502.0", "colnum": "502", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thomas", "preceding_text": "rial dates. It would be a breach of faith to those for whom the fund was negotiated and among whom it was intended to be distributed to allow others to participate in it. We think it is our duty to put this matter right and that is the reason that this present Order was made. I hope, on reflection, that my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Northwich will see his way to withdrawing his Prayer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.501.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.508.1", "colnum": "508", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He has been naturalised.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "ested rights which this Order may undermine. I think that it is established that he has no vested rights in the first place. I say by way of an aside that the right hon. and learned Gentleman seemed to me to be mistaken in claiming that this gentleman is a constituent of his. I do not see how a German subject can be a constituent of the right hon. and learned Gentleman. He is a German subject now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.508.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.508.1", "colnum": "508", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He did.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "n. When they negotiated it, they had in mind that the Polish Government had nationalised certain property belonging to British subjects, and they negotiated a figure having that in mind, and meaning to protect British subjects from that expropriation, to which the Polish Government agreed, and the compensation was the result. At that time this gentleman did not regard himself as a British subject.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.508.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3", "colnum": "510", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "He is having it reviewed by the Commission.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3", "colnum": "510", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "He is having it reviewed by the Commission. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"] The ultimate one—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3", "colnum": "510", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "ed myself badly. I believe that what the hon. and learned Gentleman is asking me is this: having got a provisional award in his favour, and being therefore entitled to have the provisional award reviewed, ought his right to have it reviewed to be removed from him by administrative action? That is the whole question that we are deciding, and to decide it we have to look at what the results will be—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3", "colnum": "510", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He still is.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": " thing or the other. I say that if the result of annulling this Order is to enable this gentleman to obtain, out of a limited compensation fund and at the expense of a number of people poorer than himself, a very large sum of money, it is ludicrous to say that it would be in accordance with natural justice. Of course it would not. This gentleman was a British subject for perhaps five or six years—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3", "colnum": "510", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is both.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "s Order is to enable this gentleman to obtain, out of a limited compensation fund and at the expense of a number of people poorer than himself, a very large sum of money, it is ludicrous to say that it would be in accordance with natural justice. Of course it would not. This gentleman was a British subject for perhaps five or six years—[HON. MEMBERS: \"He still is.\"] No; he is a German subject now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.510.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-19", "file": "debates1961-10-19a.xml", "sha256": "6bb27bbbf3f88f4a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.514.2", "colnum": "514", "heading": "FOREIGN COMPENSATION (MR. VON PREUSSEN)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "The Solicitor-General", "preceding_text": "I hope that my hon. and learned Friend will excuse me, because I have very little time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-19a.514.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.557.2", "colnum": "557", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOSPITALS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": "Precisely, because the right hon. Gentleman has nothing to add to his speech and that of his right hon. Friend during the debate on foreign affairs last week, when they explicitly maintained their rigid attitude on the Berlin problem, I wish to ask whether he is aware that I have received a letter from President Kennedy this morning—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.557.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.560.3", "colnum": "560", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOSPITALS", "cue_speaker": "Sir P. Agnew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir P. Agnew", "preceding_text": "Is it not the case that Her Majesty's Government share the view which is widely held that it is to the advantage of Europe and the world generally that the Spanish State and the civilisation it represents—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.560.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.601.2", "colnum": "601", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "eral interference with the freedom of the industrial courts. In other words, apart from commitments entered into already, the Government would not enter into further negotiations and would not accept any further award from the Industrial Court or the Civil Set vice Arbitration Tribunal. The Government put the long-established machinery of negotiation and arbitration unilaterally into cold storage.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.601.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.621.1", "colnum": "621", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "d be given. That limit was £42 million, a 14·6 per cent. increase overall as compared with the 16·25 per cent. increase involved in the £47,500,000. After the Government had announced their intention to set a limit, the teachers quickly accepted the £47,500,000, but the Government have adhered to the figure of £42 million. This was not action directed against the teaching profession—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.621.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Brighton.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "straint. Wages are the key to our economic des- tiny, but responsible trade union leaders have no hope of persuading their people to accept freely a wage pause unless equal sacrifices are imposed upon capital. This, in my view, is the very essence of the problem, and I say to my right hon. and learned Friend again now, as I said at Blackpool, that I regard what he is doing as unfair and not right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "s I said at Brighton, I think that it is unfair, unjust, and unworkable to expect labour to accept greater sacrifices than capital will accept, because—I speak as one who has suffered from it—those who have the greater privileges are in the better position to bear sacrifices. In facing these problems, there ought to be fair shares all round, and it ought to start with those who have most to share.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "gain—is to offer something that is obviously just and fair to the English point of view. Our country will always respond if the deal appears to be fair. I suggest to the Chancellor that he should start in this way. He should offer, in my opinion, a package deal. He should, first, from capital, insist on a two years' statutory dividend limitation. Secondly, there should be a real capital gains tax.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "will always respond if the deal appears to be fair. I suggest to the Chancellor that he should start in this way. He should offer, in my opinion, a package deal. He should, first, from capital, insist on a two years' statutory dividend limitation. Secondly, there should be a real capital gains tax. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] Thirdly, there should be much more strict control of expense accounts.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "ars\" now from hon. Members opposite. In my package deal, I would demand that the 2 million wages now tied to the cost of living index, which itself is inflationary, should be tied in future to a productivity plus export index. Hon. Members will not cheer these things. In political life we can get cheers from people when it suits their book, but when it touches their pockets they go stonily silent.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"On both sides.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "ial services either\". Those who fight against the State should be punished by the State. I would deal with great severity with unofficial strikers. I am sorry that I get no \"Hear, hears\" from hon. Gentlemen on this point. The Chancellor must demand—I think that this is of immense importance especially in certain sections of the engineering industries—that all restrictive practices should be ended.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.663.0", "colnum": "663", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Page", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Shareholders?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Page", "preceding_text": "I think that the point which the hon. Member has raised will be dealt with far more clearly and far more learnedly by my right hon. Friend when he replies. I think that I would be on very much safer ground if I avoided going on with it. I am speaking for far too long, and so I will come to the final point, which is the responsibility of the Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.663.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.686.1", "colnum": "686", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Tell us.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "preceding_text": "We have just listened to a speech which began with a rather different approach from that of the right hon. Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson), who opened this debate, and then perhaps rather tended to take a similar line towards the end. I think that it failed to examine what it was that the Government were trying to do. This has been the trouble with the debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.686.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.0", "colnum": "688", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "First, I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman who it was who told him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.3", "colnum": "688", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Read on.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "I have a lot—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.4", "colnum": "688", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is not dead.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "m 1st January, 1962. This is at least six weeks later than they would normally have been granted. As I hope to explain to the House, I have endeavoured to reconcile the two conflicting elements—the degree of prior commitment and the pause policy. I leave it to the right hon. Member for Caerphilly who talked about a very good friend of all of us in the House at the time, the late Mr. George Isaacs—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.688.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1", "colnum": "690", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Blackmail\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "t of a deadlock. He has merely the right to say yes or no. That is why we welcome the agreement of the Burnham Committee to accept the £42 million. This has two effects. First, it enables the 14½ per cent. increase in salary to be paid straight away. Secondly, it means that in calmer circumstances the future of the Burnham Committee can be considered in the next few months by all concerned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1", "colnum": "690", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "hat the Government's policy is an attack on wages alone, and my hon. Friend the Member for Louth (Sir C. Osborne) tended to agree. Wise as I consider my hon. Friend on many counts, I cannot agree entirely with his speech. We are not discriminating in this way. The Chancellor has made it abundantly clear to any fair-minded man that this applies to all incomes—salaries, wages, profits and dividends.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1", "colnum": "690", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"By whom?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "iend on many counts, I cannot agree entirely with his speech. We are not discriminating in this way. The Chancellor has made it abundantly clear to any fair-minded man that this applies to all incomes—salaries, wages, profits and dividends. [ Interruption. ] This criticism, again, is good political stuff, but if hon. Members pick up the newspapers they will realise that profits are being squeezed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.690.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.692.5", "colnum": "692", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "m up, what we have done is to protect the interests of the whole community. My right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has set out the economic and financial considerations. I do not think that it is necessary for me to repeat the details, but I want to underline one vital fact. For the first time this century our credit balance on invisible account has virtually disappeared.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.692.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-23", "file": "debates1961-10-23a.xml", "sha256": "facb55672af51ed2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.692.5", "colnum": "692", "heading": "WAGES AND SALARIES (NEGOTIATING MACHINERY)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"0h\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "ound of increases in profits, dividends, and so on. We must cease to overdraw on productivity. If we do not, we shall kill that famous goose we heard about last week that lays those golden eggs on which our living standards and commitments depend. But, as we earn more, so we can pay ourselves more. This is no negative policy, directed against one section of the community, on which we are embarked.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-23a.692.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.738.6", "colnum": "738", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "What about the Lord Advocate?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "As the hon. Member appreciates, that is not a question for me.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.738.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.740.0", "colnum": "740", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dodds", "preceding_text": "Minister aware that people concerned with the gypsy problem would like to congratulate the Scots on the humane way in which they have tried to deal with this problem, which is in marked contrast to the disgraceful conditions in this country which make a mockery of the claim of both sides of the House about the brotherhood of man, which seems to apply in other countries but not on our own doorstep?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.739.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.745.3", "colnum": "745", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "To whom?", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. I think that such Questions can be addressed to me, or to any Minister who is specially in charge of any particular aspect of them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.745.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.758.2", "colnum": "758", "heading": "COAL INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Power (Mr. Richard Wood)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Power (Mr. Richard Wood)", "preceding_text": " million tons. I gather that deep-mined production may be about 5 million tons less than last year, due to a number of factors: first, the different incidence of holidays; secondly, the influenza outbreak in February, and, thirdly, the strike in Yorkshire in March. Another serious difficulty to which, I am sure, a number of hon. Members will draw attention, is the drop in manpower in the industry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.758.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.788.1", "colnum": "788", "heading": "COAL INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "t that was a wise decision—had I been Minister I should have made the same decision—is that we are in a period of very heavy deficit on balance of payments oversea. But such a policy can surely be only of a temporary character. It is manifest nonsense for Her Majesty's Ministers to parade the country and make the kind of speeches which were made so recently at the Brighton Conservative Conference—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.788.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.792.3", "colnum": "792", "heading": "COAL INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "prospects for the coming winter? I do not want to be told that we have so many million tons of large coal in stock. I want to be told that there is, or is likely to be, adequate good quality house coal available, spread evenly and distributed properly in Kidderminster, as well as Shrewsbury and Ludlow. I am delighted to see my hon. Friend the Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. Langford-Holt) in his place.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.792.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-24", "file": "debates1961-10-24a.xml", "sha256": "d1eeca006ec689c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.793.1", "colnum": "793", "heading": "COAL INDUSTRY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "And Worcester, and Kidderminster. All those places were short of good quality house coal.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-24a.793.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.25.0", "colnum": "25", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And hospitals.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "nference that there was always the possibility of unemployment. He rested the case, it seemed to me, largely on economic grounds. It is, of course, possible that there may be unemployment, but let me say, first, that in present circumstances we depend upon this Commonwealth labour for the maintenance of many of our public services. British Railways, British Transport, and certain other industries—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.25.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.29.1", "colnum": "29", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Sideways.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": " in which we have heard today. I should also like to congratulate the seconder with equal warmth. His speech will have brought pleasure, not only to Lowestoft but also, I think, to all East Anglia. As to the football aspect of it, I understand that there is a thing called transfers which is practised in operating these teams, and no doubt that might attract politicians on either side of the House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.29.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.32.1", "colnum": "32", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "r South Ayrshire (Mr. Emrys Hughes) knows. Both the American Government and the British Government are ready at any time to resume talks now suspended, for a nuclear test agreement, or to begin talks anywhere else which seem likely to lead to a similar result. That is our first conclusion on which we stand. Secondly, we are clear that we will not make tests for terroristic or retaliatory purposes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.32.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.33.1", "colnum": "33", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I would ask how this principle would be applied, and I think it must rest upon the sincere judgment of those who are charged with this heavy responsibility, after doing their best to weigh the technical information at their disposal. I can assure the House that it is in this spirit that the British and American Governments intend to work.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.33.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.38.3", "colnum": "38", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ntil 1960 to close the gap has now failed us. Therefore, in order that we may carry the load of necessary expenditure overseas, expenditure on military defence, on investment and on aid, we must continue to earn a substantial surplus of visible exports over imports. World trade looks like increasing. The opportunity is, therefore, there. I think that we must seize it and grapple with our problems.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.38.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.41.1", "colnum": "41", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ritish industrial supremacy in the 19th century. I am sure that closer co-ordination of the needs and resources will help us to tackle these obstacles. I make a plea, which I believe the House and certainly the country will welcome. It is that we should try to join together in this new approach with the hope of making it as effective as possible. I have some other questions with which I must deal.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.41.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.64.1", "colnum": "64", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Biggs-Davison", "preceding_text": "that is half the battle, because, as a great captain said, the moral CO the physical is as three is to one. After all, they have been there for a long time, more than 400 years. One sees there what one does not see in our territories—16th century churches and forts. The Portuguese were in India before us and have seen us go and are still there. There will be no sell out or scuttle of the settlers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.64.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-10-31", "file": "debates1961-10-31a.xml", "sha256": "a5aa3430648618df", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.92.1", "colnum": "92", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mrs. Harriet Slater", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mrs. Harriet Slater", "preceding_text": " very good deal and, in fact, dividends have increased. Private business can afford to have a standstill because it is already getting some very good returns from dividends. If the hon. Gentleman studies the latest annual reports of many large firms he will see that many of them have increased their dividends, in spite of the appeals which have been made to them by the Chancellor of the Exchequer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-10-31a.92.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.166.9", "colnum": "166", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Two Oppositions.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Brown", "preceding_text": "y at this stage seeks to deal with the tremendous problems that face her. My own conclusion was that we are now at the halfway stage of the life of this Government—a Government that is over the hill. There is the \"double banking\" about which we have heard so much, which produces two of everything. We now have virtually two Prime Ministers, two Foreign Secretaries, two Chancellors of the Exchequer—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.166.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.172.1", "colnum": "172", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The Prime Minister said it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "e say that we, the West, will not resume tests until it becomes clear to us that the Soviet Union has broken through or is breaking through in some important new area, for example, in anti-missile defence? Cannot we say that we will not resume testing for any other reason, and that we certainly will not do so for any political reason whatever. I see no reason why we should not be able to say that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.172.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.179.1", "colnum": "179", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER; \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ut the piece of paper in front of him. He said that there are, curiously but naturally enough, deficiencies not in the teeth but in the tail.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 31st October, 1961; Vol. 648, c. 35.] That means that there are deficiencies, not in the great fighting parts of the Army, but in the administrative parts. That is not so. A Prime Minister who does not know that is tremendously uninformed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.179.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.179.1", "colnum": "179", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "arts of the Army, but in the administrative parts. That is not so. A Prime Minister who does not know that is tremendously uninformed. [An HON. MEMBER; \"Nonsense.\"] It is no good saying that I am talking nonsense. I have just come back from Germany after the most careful investigation. I shall be held to account for what I am saying because there are people who know whether I saw what I say I saw.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.179.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.2", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Can the right hon. Gentleman say which generals wanted conscription?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "They are two quite different things, but I still stand by what I said the other day. There is a difference between commanders in the field, with whom one discusses their strategy, and the generals in the War Office who look at an altogether different problem. I still say—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "These are two quite different things. There are generals and they are in the right hon. Gentleman's place, and I can name them, who want to go back to conscription and who briefed correspondents to display certain weaknesses in order to get it That is what I meant the other day.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "place, and I can name them, who want to go back to conscription and who briefed correspondents to display certain weaknesses in order to get it That is what I meant the other day. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] That is monstrous? Yes, but just now, when I was being so careful to answer criticisms of \"Spearpoint\" to the benefit of the Government, did the Prime Minister have the grace to say \"Thank you\"? No.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3", "colnum": "185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": " the junior ranks; it is our duty to support them; but it is \"monstrous\" if we ever criticise them. This is the whole problem, and the Prime Minister must take the rough with the smooth in this. There are some respects in which I think the Government have been improperly criticised; there are other respects in which I think they have not. Let me say very briefly what I think ought to be done here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.185.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1", "colnum": "186", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "No.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1", "colnum": "186", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "No. [HON. MEMBERS; \"Shame.\"] I am sure it is a shame, but it is also a shame if one takes too much time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1", "colnum": "186", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Which ones?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "ld like to bring my remarks to a conclusion. But I feel I have a duty to say what I think we should be doing. First we should attack the real problems of the defence policy, and I will say what I think these are. First of all we should review—I think we have to review—'and change our overseas commitments. We must both cut some of our commitments out and we must alter the method of covering others.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.186.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.188.1", "colnum": "188", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "preceding_text": " Godfrey Ince, a very great Permanent Secretary, and I knew Sir Arthur Deakin, as the right hon. Gentleman did, and the rest. I know of the need of partnership in industry, but, again, I must say that what I learned in those four years, when I got to know—and I remember the friendships—both employers and trade unionists, is that this nation cannot take more out of the national not than it puts in.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.188.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.188.1", "colnum": "188", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"What are the figures?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Defence (Mr. Harold Watkinson)", "preceding_text": "ued later today. I think what the House will want to know from me at this stage is that it does show quite clearly not only as a countrywide average, but also as an average, in what we all accept are the most vulnerable areas, particularly Scotland and Wales, that the present levels are still below, and, in some cases, well below, the warning level: not the danger level; this is the warning level.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.188.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.232.1", "colnum": "232", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Walder", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Walder", "preceding_text": "y have to be introduced into Britain. It puts us at least on a parity with those nations which I hope I shall soon be able to refer to as our partners in the Common Market. To return to a perhaps rather more cynical note, conscription provides men for the duller jobs in the Army. Soldiers will volunteer to be parachutists and guardsmen, but I have never yet known a soldier who wanted to be a cook.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.232.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.232.1", "colnum": "232", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Walder", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER; \"Co- existence.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Walder", "preceding_text": "t to do the dull jobs. Finally, conscription would at least provide us with a sufficient number of men to cope not only with one emergency but with two. Much has been said about the Kuwait operation, which was a nice little operation, carried out efficiently. It was a credit to all the officers and men who took part in it. However, it was a small operation which did not involve actual hostilities.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.232.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.244.1", "colnum": "244", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Brigadier Sir John Smyth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Brigadier Sir John Smyth", "preceding_text": " has stated time and again that his plan is to hold a line well forward which will protect all the fifteen nations of N.A.T.O. He thinks that it would be suicidal to try any sort of Rapacki plan of withdrawal. All he says about that is that it would mean that the Americans would go back home to America, the Canadians would probably go back home to Canada and we should probably come back home here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.244.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.288.1", "colnum": "288", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Christopher Mayhew", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Christopher Mayhew", "preceding_text": "ying. I think he slipped out that a strong minority of B.A.O.R. was equipped with C.19 radio sets. I do not know if this can be the same radio set that some of us knew during the war. If it is, I hope that it has been improved since then because it was universally regarded as one of the most exquisitely-designed machines for keeping formations out of contact with each other that could be imagined.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.288.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.300.7", "colnum": "300", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "seek will be purely permissive—to hold back, for a period of up to six months, people Who are at present doing National Service. We do not say that we shall do it. I want to make this widely known, as I tried to do in my television broadcast last night, to which reference has been made. No National Service man should be frightened that he will be retained, at least until we have made the Bill law.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.300.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.304.5", "colnum": "304", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"On you?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "ole debate, I have not had much chance of seeing the evening newspapers, but I saw one which said; Brown Lashes Out: B.A.O.R. Short of Arms. It was also said that during the course of his speech the Secretary of State for War, seated beside the Prime Minister, \"made angry mutterings\". Of course I made angry mutterings. That was because of the effect which the right hon. Member's speech would have.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.304.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-01", "file": "debates1961-11-01a.xml", "sha256": "0bf7f8b9e803590c", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.306.3", "colnum": "306", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS; \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "another thing in the evening. What I am saying is that this sort of thing must not be allowed to go unchallenged. No Secretary of State for War could at any particular moment be wholly satisfied with the equipment of the Army, because equipment is a continuing process. Those who saw the Army's demonstration the other day at Chobham would agree that the equipment we are to introduce into the Army —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-01a.306.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.327.1", "colnum": "327", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Woodford.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the information which you have given us about your intentions. However, I am sure that you have not overlooked the fact that there are ample precedents for calling unofficial Amendments on these occasions. There was one very famous occasion when the right hon. Member for—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.327.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.332.0", "colnum": "332", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "iour were not recognised at the time by those who were working so closely together. It seems strange that it takes 25 years to describe the reality of things. It also seems doubtful whether it can be a very good system which allows such men to come to power and to hold power for so long. It also seems to be rather doubtful whether it is a system which many people in the world wish to see extended.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.332.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.333.1", "colnum": "333", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "There are a variety of explanations about what lies behind this, and they deserve to be treated seriously. I am told by—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.333.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.337.1", "colnum": "337", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "estern Powers have now reached a decision to impose on the Russians, who, I said, previously were following exactly the same procedures, the new access procedures which I have described as happening already with the Western Powers. Cars from East Berlin with diplomatic licences are now to be stopped when entering West Berlin and occupants in civil clothes are asked to produce their identification.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.337.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.338.1", "colnum": "338", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "That is a matter which is still being discussed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.338.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.340.1", "colnum": "340", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"So have we.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "But what can cause revanchism is such a thing as the wall across the centre of Berlin, because that, by dividing, and dividing families, by its very inhumanity, raises emotions which can lead to such a thing as revanchism. Therefore, that is an aspect of policy which in itself is a danger in this respect. Many believe that the Russians have deep and genuine fears about the Federal German Republic.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.340.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.354.3", "colnum": "354", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "nese aircraft; and that it comes after repeated violations by the Katanga Government of the cease-fire agreement signed only a month ago with the United Nations forces. Perhaps the Lord Privy Seal can answer this in a word now. Do Her Majesty's Government accept the ceasefire agreement as binding, together with the protocols and inter-probations given it by United Nations headquarters in New York?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.354.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.389.1", "colnum": "389", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "her we take the test of those of us who are nuclear disarmers and who say that we cannot defend ourselves with nuclear weapons or whether we take the test of hon. Members opposite who say that we must have sufficient conventional weapons, this country is more defenceless than at any time in its history. This is not the time for a petulant and pathetic old man to come along and accuse other people—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.389.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-02", "file": "debates1961-11-02a.xml", "sha256": "6a42e9cebf2908e0", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.458.1", "colnum": "458", "heading": "QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "preceding_text": "agreed that in these conditions incidents of one sort or another were bound to arise, and that those incidents could easily be magnified out of all proportion. It so happens that I spent a few days in Berlin last week, and had the good, or bad, fortune to be there while these incidents were tak- ing place. I was on the frontier when some of the incidents in the Friedrich-strasse were taking place—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-02a.458.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-03", "file": "debates1961-11-03a.xml", "sha256": "c6bc579e210172bc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.513.1", "colnum": "513", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Sir D. Eccles", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Eccles", "preceding_text": "of all the rough things which have been said and written, the teachers are very reasonable people when they can hear the argument fairly and fully put. Over and over again I have been confronted—and my hon. Friends confirm this from their experience—with allegations about what the Government have done or intended to do which were so wide of the mark as to make one wonder where these ideas started—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.513.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-03", "file": "debates1961-11-03a.xml", "sha256": "c6bc579e210172bc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.556.1", "colnum": "556", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bourne-Arton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bourne-Arton", "preceding_text": " did not envisage that that could be done until about 1968, and then, it recognised, at the expense of further overcrowding in classes. Hon. Members have mentioned the most desirable and important objective that we should reduce the size of primary classes, not merely down to forty, but ultimately down to thirty, but we have not been reminded of what that will cost in the total number of teachers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.556.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-03", "file": "debates1961-11-03a.xml", "sha256": "c6bc579e210172bc", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.583.1", "colnum": "583", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Yates", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Yates", "preceding_text": "y that takes place there is televised or filmed year by year so that the message of order and justice and freedom and liberty can be transferred to people in this country and indeed to every person in the world who believes in this Parliamentary institution and all for which we stand. I see that the clock is approaching 4 p.m., and I know that the Minister would probably like to rise at that hour.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-03a.583.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.624.8", "colnum": "624", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Yates", "preceding_text": "g. I think that the subjects which my constituents have asked me to bring before the House are probably in the minds of a great many hon. Members. My constituents ask, first, for a clear statement of Britain's position over atomic tests, Berlin, and disarmament— a clear statement; secondly, the restatement of Britain's policy towards the export trade and legislation against the unofficial striker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.624.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.626.0", "colnum": "626", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Come over here.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Yates", "preceding_text": "eded in obtaining export business, if I tell you that their feeling towards the Government is one of barely contained rage. We have had ten years of Conservative Government, during which time very little has been done to encourage a dynamic attitude towards exports. Such phrases as \"Export Joy\", \"Exporting is fun\", indicate the remoteness of the Government to the difficulties and dangers involved.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.624.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.629.4", "colnum": "629", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "has demonstrated beyond doubt, and it must be realised in the Ministry, that where the Ministry of Housing and Local Government is concerned democratic administration is dead, not mourned by the Minister's predecessor, but killed by his own Ministry. If this sort of thing is being said about the Government and the Executive it must in the long run bring the Government and this House into contempt.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.629.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.629.4", "colnum": "629", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": " the fact that too much power is in the hands of too few Treasury officials. Anyway, having spoken to responsible Conservative industrialists and to ordinary Conservatives in my constituency, I can tell the Government that they see these things going wrong and want the Government to put them right. I shall go through the Lobby in support of the Government, trusting them to put these matters right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.629.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1", "colnum": "649", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "preceding_text": "y in some Northern and Midland areas. We have to face the cold, hard fact that our capacity to do this job as quickly as we would like depends on productivity in industry generally— productivity in the building industry. Given the fact that housing is not the only social investment making demands on our wealth—I put that forward not as an excuse but as a fact of the situation that has to be faced—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1", "colnum": "649", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Too high.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "preceding_text": "st year, when authorities were asked to review their town maps, consider the allocation of more land for development, and encourage the full use of urban land by means of higher density, conversion, and so on—goes on, and we must press it forward with vigour. Already, it is resulting in more land gradually being made available. Nobody denies that in many areas the price of land is high, very high—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1", "colnum": "649", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (Dr. Charles Hill)", "preceding_text": "h, by the nature of things, can take a bigger expansion. Something of this kind is almost certainly necessary if adequate provision is to be made over the next twenty years. There is in the Amendment, rather surprisingly, an allegation that we have failed to …plan for the wise distribution of employment and population throughout the country which seems to me to be the opposite of the truth.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.685.1", "colnum": "685", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"In California?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Temple", "preceding_text": "e United States the caravan home is extraordinarily popular with many who are retiring and who have spent most of their lives among the professional classes. I could quote examples of residential caravan parks in California with upwards of 1,000 plots. The residents on those sites are happy with their homes. If anyone doubts what I say, I should be glad to take him to see first class caravan sites", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.685.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.702.1", "colnum": "702", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. James Allason", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What's the present test?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. James Allason", "preceding_text": ", they are aiming at a position in which even rent will not be paid. What is perfectly clear is that when there are no private houses at all committees will have to judge who shall get what home. I presume that all Members of Parliament would then apply for houses connected to the Division Bell— because that is absolutely necessary to them in their work—and would get the homes around Westminster.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.702.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.728.2", "colnum": "728", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Batsford", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Batsford", "preceding_text": "mber of first-class architects. All they lack is the freedom to express themselves. They are too hampered by restrictions, and they lack the more comprehensive planning to which I have referred. I also suspect that far too many of our buildings are not designed by architects at all. Surely my right hon. Friend would hesitate before he recommended one of his patients to go to an unqualified doctor.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.728.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.741.1", "colnum": "741", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "ution of employment and population throughout the country. As I say, the hon. Gentleman spoke as if nothing was happening. However, he cannot ignore the tremendous movement of industry into Scotland which has been going on over the last two or three years. I say—and I know exactly the reaction which will come from some hon. Members opposite when I say it—that there are 31,000 jobs in the pipeline.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.741.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-06", "file": "debates1961-11-06a.xml", "sha256": "1e8c83222db41661", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.744.1", "colnum": "744", "heading": "HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "ypes of houses needed in some areas are simply not available. I shall not deal tonight with low rents, on which the hon. Member for Central Ayrshire (Mr. Manuel) expressed some views, but he must realise that I have never attacked the tenants of local authority houses. I have said that there are many tenants whom I know from personal experience would be happier if they were paying realistic rents.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-06a.744.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.776.5", "colnum": "776", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — POST OFFICE", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Tomney", "preceding_text": "Which makes matters rather worse, because Hammersmith Borough Council denies responsibility for this and has no knowledge of the right hon. Gentleman's Department ever contacting its department.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.776.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.804.10", "colnum": "804", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He does not know.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " beginning, he had said, \"The exchange position is profoundly dangerous. I am really worried about it. We need some desperate measures of a purely temporary character to see us through, but they will be enforced only for as long as the £ is in danger\", he might have got a better understanding. He did not take that line. He has never cleared up what was the short-run and what was the long-run here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.804.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.824.1", "colnum": "824", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "First, there is some uncertainty as to exactly what the French procedure is, but in my view it would be contrary and a matter on which representations should be made —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.824.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.826.1", "colnum": "826", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": " hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition admitted that since 25th July confidence in sterling has been much improved. The capital outflow of the previous months has been reversed. The rate of exchange with the dollar is above parity. It has been possible to reduce Bank Rate from 7 per cent. to 6 per cent. Reserves have been strengthened and we have paid back £100 million of the I.M.F. drawing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.826.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.832.1", "colnum": "832", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": " incomes and increases in production. These new methods must be worked out, or at all events a commencement must be made, during the period of the current pause. Towards the end of his speech the right hon. Gentleman said that what was wrong was that we had been unfair. He alleged that we were really asking only wage earners and salary earners for sacrifices. That is not true. Profits are falling.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.832.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.848.1", "colnum": "848", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. H. Rhodes", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. H. Rhodes", "preceding_text": " fact, they are as quick to sense what is afoot as the managing director, with his glum face, as he enters the works. Then we get workers' solidarity against redundancy. It is automatic. Then once again productivity is shelved. The Government begin their plans again for the stimulation of the economy, perhaps knowing that they have got to have full employment before they can win the next election.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.848.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.862.1", "colnum": "862", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "I do not believe it. My experience of British embassies in many parts is that they are shelters for political reaction.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.862.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.863.1", "colnum": "863", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "No. The hon. Member might let me finish one sentence.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.863.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.905.3", "colnum": "905", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. de Ferranti", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not yet.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. de Ferranti", "preceding_text": "ussians or the Europeans. However, I naively under-estimated last year the difficulty for any Government to achieve these sorts of things, because with the way we are organised at the moment there is no framework in which these myriad decisions can be made, and can be made towards a common objective. However, since last year we have made this great decision to join the European Economic Community.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.905.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1", "colnum": "912", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"In Leicester?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "Do not tempt me now. Whatever the Chancellor may have said on that point, he has not denied this particular gem. I hope that the hon. Member for Louth (Sir C. Osborne) will allow me to quote it. This is what the Chancellor has not denied that he said; this is not in dispute.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1", "colnum": "912", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": ". If that is what he says this afternoon, why has it not been looked at already? Has he not got people to look at these things? Could he not have looked at it himself? The Financial Secretary has been over to Paris, as well as the hon. Member for Morecambe and Lonsdale. Did the Financial Secretary look into this question when he was there? Do all the ideas have to come from this side of the House?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1", "colnum": "912", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "rnment would honour for the size of the coal industry. Two hundred million tons was mentioned as a figure for the national indigenous coal industry to work to. This would have meant controlling fuel oil imports, and controlling other things as well, but the Government insisted on what they call freedom of choice —by which they meant, of course, a refusal to touch the profits of the oil companies —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.912.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.923.3", "colnum": "923", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I must say that raises my appreciation of the right hon. Gentleman even more, because I do not think he could possibly have written this sentence: We desire to state quite clearly…\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.923.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.923.3", "colnum": "923", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": " a series of standards in the field of industrial relations to which we are convinced employers must conform. I hope the right hon. Gentleman will tell us now whether he really stands by the decisions of the Government in the past three months under which, having said that they are going to lead the way in industry, under which they have broken these agreements to which they have set their hands —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.923.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.925.1", "colnum": "925", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "nt two says, \"Very witty speech indeed\". I am sure that it was, but the hon. Member will realise that the information provided here is a little scanty for me to offer any real comment. Nor, frankly, do I think I can comment very helpfully on the speech that the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Huyton has just delivered. It was, as always, witty, cogent and polished —and polished —and polished —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.925.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.927.0", "colnum": "927", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Say something.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": " say, \"Mr. Speaker, this is a very remarkable Amendment.\" And indeed, Mr. Speaker, so it is. There seems to be a pattern in this matter. If I remember rightly, ten years ago we were debating housing and also had a general debate on the Address. I think this a very suitable pattern which we might follow every tenth year. What I should like to do is to concentrate on the third part of the Amendment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.925.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.927.1", "colnum": "927", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "y and of philosophy. I have no desire at all to do other than to acknowledge that and to try to answer this and to explain what, in my view, justice means to us. It has been said that Socialism is about equality, and that, I dare say, is a fine creed which strikes many a chord in the hearts of hon. Members opposite. But I do not mind saying frankly that it finds no echo on this side of the House —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.927.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1", "colnum": "928", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not true.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "d., a rise of 80 per cent. as against a 35 per cent. increase in the cost of living. The leader of the Opposition was very anxious to interrupt my right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor in the last few moments of his speech to ask him how long the pay pause was going to last. I cannot tell him that. What I can tell him is that, under the Socialist Government, it lasted six and quarter years.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1", "colnum": "928", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "ics of a Conservative Government was the contempt they showed for the professional classes. What puzzled me as I listened to that speech was that if we are engaged on that exercise of attacking the working classes, if we have that contempt for the professional and the middle classes and if the peers of the realm, as is the position, do not vote, who are the 14 million people who vote Conservative?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1", "colnum": "928", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "who are questioned in public opinion polls without knowing who those individuals will be? The truth of the matter is that the Socialist Party —and this can be seen in the speech of the right hon. Member for Caerphilly (Mr. Ness Edwards) and of the hon. Member for Newton (Mr. Lee), with their harking back to 1926 —does not realise the economic position in which the country is, nor does it realise —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1", "colnum": "928", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": " not only 1926. To many hon. Members on this side, even 1946 is a long time ago, because on this side, since the 1945 ejection, no fewer than 284 Members have come to this House, and that is more than the whole of the Labour Party, the whole of the Liberal Party and the whole of the anti-party group put together. We are debating an official Amendment to the Address in reply to the Gracious Speech.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.928.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-07", "file": "debates1961-11-07a.xml", "sha256": "82090a28a678601a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.932.1", "colnum": "932", "heading": "Orders of the Day — QUEEN'S SPEECH", "cue_speaker": "", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Stop preaching.\"", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "I am certain that this is the test for us as a House of Commons. I am certain that the House will be judged—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-07a.932.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-08", "file": "debates1961-11-08a.xml", "sha256": "11b81d92e79f3caf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-08a.1085.0", "colnum": "1085", "heading": "SOUTHERN RHODESIA (CONSTITUTION) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Nonsense.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "Yes. I am afraid that is the case.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-08a.1084.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-09", "file": "debates1961-11-09a.xml", "sha256": "75f25cdad28db1c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1170.2", "colnum": "1170", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. This is not a constitutional Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1170.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-09", "file": "debates1961-11-09a.xml", "sha256": "75f25cdad28db1c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1172.2", "colnum": "1172", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "I should have thought that the precedents would argue against the Leader of the Opposition on this, because the majority of Bills which are taken on the Floor of the House are taken on Fridays and other days—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1172.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-09", "file": "debates1961-11-09a.xml", "sha256": "75f25cdad28db1c2", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1205.1", "colnum": "1205", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FAMILY ALLOWANCES AND NATIONAL INSURANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Lord Balniel", "preceding_text": "ut of a person's employment— that is as being brought within the Industrial Injuries Acts—if the accident arises in the course of the employment and is caused by another person's misconduct or negligence. I suspect that in introducing this Clause my right hon. Friend is doing not much more than giving legislative sanction to what is an existing practice when claims are brought before the tribunal.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-09a.1205.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.17.1", "colnum": "17", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — COAL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "preceding_text": "I never see much point in an inquiry when there is nothing to find out.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.17.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.17.4", "colnum": "17", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — COAL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Why not an inquiry in any event?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "preceding_text": "I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman, with his experience not only of his constituency but of my office in the past, will be well aware of the highly speculative nature of mining and the complete impossibility of being absolutely certain when a shaft is sunk that conditions below will be exactly as they are expected to be before the shaft is sunk.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.17.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.26.5", "colnum": "26", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "preceding_text": "Temporary accommodation is inspected by my Ministry's officers, but I think that the question in the hon. Lady's mind is almost entirely confined to London—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.26.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.66.3", "colnum": "66", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EDUCATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ede", "preceding_text": "future, we understand, for a grant if they can get admission to a university. I regret to say that a number of these cases have come to me from one county only, and I have a shrewd suspicion that there must be some understanding between some of the universities that a good pass from a secondary modern school with a grammar school stream is not the equivalent of the same pass from a grammar school.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.66.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.121.1", "colnum": "121", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EDUCATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "preceding_text": "e the annual aggregate amount of the general grants to such extent as may appear to the Secretary of State to be appropriate. … That is a warning to us that the grants may be decreased because under the Bill there are to be benefits in other directions. What is given with one hand is taken away, to some extent, with the other. The Secretary of State gives, the Secretary of State takes away.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.121.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-13", "file": "debates1961-11-13a.xml", "sha256": "b7c14ee646ca0062", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.137.1", "colnum": "137", "heading": "Orders of the Day — EDUCATION BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. MacPherson", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. MacPherson", "preceding_text": "result would be, to quote Milton's phrase, a fugitive and cloistered freedom. Furthermore, the real enemy to academic freedom is not Governments but the establishment. Where there is a conformist nation, as we are, a nation which is non-conformist in any line has to strive, worry and fight all the time. Then there is a real danger to academic freedom, as Bertrand Russell found in his earlier days.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-13a.137.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-14", "file": "debates1961-11-14a.xml", "sha256": "912275062fde22c1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-14a.182.1", "colnum": "182", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "Because, as my hon. Friend is repeatedly pointing out, we have a very precariously balanced economy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-14a.182.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-14", "file": "debates1961-11-14a.xml", "sha256": "912275062fde22c1", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-14a.200.0", "colnum": "200", "heading": "EAST GOODWIN LIGHTSHIP", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Arbuthnot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Arbuthnot", "preceding_text": "While the conduct of the master and crew are beyond all praise—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-14a.200.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.369.9", "colnum": "369", "heading": "Schedule.—(ACTS CONTINUED.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where is the Home Secretary?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "preceding_text": "n why the Home Secretary has made decisions. All that the hon. and learned Gentleman can do is merely defend the decisions which have been taken; he cannot respond to the pressures exerted by or proposals made from various parts of the Committee. It ought to be accepted as regular practice by every Government that the Home Secretary himself should be present when we discuss this Measure each year.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.369.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.397.0", "colnum": "397", "heading": "Schedule.—(ACTS CONTINUED.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Leslie Hale", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Leslie Hale", "preceding_text": "Hutchinson, of the Daily Herald, who was writing the other day. Mr. Hutchinson divides politicians into those who are dominated by emotion and those who are dominated by reason. This is surely the basic theory of Stalinism. Is love a fact, or is it an emotion? Am I to go to Oldham and say to my constituents, \"You say you love your missus, but this is a bourgeois emotion. She is just a tax rebate\"?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.397.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.467.0", "colnum": "467", "heading": "Schedule.—(ACTS CONTINUED.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "preceding_text": " the year ended March, 1959, 129 cases were referred; in the year ended March, 1960, 91 cases; in the year ended March, 1961, 80 cases; and in the six months of this year from April to September, only thirty cases have so far been reported. The hon. Member for Hamilton and the hon. Member for Craigton will suggest that this is proof that the Act is a dead letter; that is what they were suggesting—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.467.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.523.0", "colnum": "523", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "An Hon. Member: \"Only one wife?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "This is, of course, a very common process. I think it is a confidence trick. It is easy to be critical of these people and say that they should read the small print and find out what their rights are. When I first came down from Oxford with one wife and a small baby, I lived in one room—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.523.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.523.3", "colnum": "523", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I have a deep affection for all my hon. Friends on this side of the Committee, and I find that there are hon. Members opposite who are misguided rather than basically evil-intention.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.523.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.527.1", "colnum": "527", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "aming London County Council, because the council is dependent for many of its resources on governmental assistance. The situation which exists as a result of this Act is aggravated by the Rent Act. They are inseparable things. The situation is the direct result of the policy of Conservative Governments and Conservative Members of Parliament. At the General Election they may get away with it again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.527.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.528.2", "colnum": "528", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "More than once?", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "preceding_text": "It would be in order for any hon. Member in any part of the Committee to catch the eye of the Chair.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.528.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.529.0", "colnum": "529", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "Hon. Members: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir William—a serious point of order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.529.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.556.3", "colnum": "556", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "Hon. Members: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "In that case the hon. and learned Gentleman must read HANSARD tomorrow, because I have already repeated my accusation two or three times and I do not want to weary the Committee with needless repetition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.556.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.564.3", "colnum": "564", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rippon", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rippon", "preceding_text": "I am sure that the hon. Member does not want to be unfair to the rent tribunals, which do their job very carefully and diligently. What I said was that these were the powers which Parliament has given them, but these regular extensions are not given in many cases, except where the tribunals feel that it is appropriate to do so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.564.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.571.0", "colnum": "571", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It is not relevant.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "ntervention by my hon. Friend. It appears that he has made up his mind. He does not want this Act under any circumstances. But, as I have said, I do not quite share my hon. Friend's view. My point is that this Act should be done away with or, at any rate, we should be told how it is working. There is an obligation upon the Government to give us this information before we reach a final conclusion.—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.571.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5", "colnum": "579", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": "on, but I cannot think it would be right for you to make such a refusal before I had even had the opportunity to put before you the reasons why leave might be granted. I shall be obliged if you will allow me to proceed. I wish to move the Motion to save the Committee from a repetition of the shocking trick which has just been played on us by the Patronage Secretary and the Parliamentary Secretary.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5", "colnum": "579", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nine.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": " repetition of the shocking trick which has just been played on us by the Patronage Secretary and the Parliamentary Secretary. [ Interruption. ] I invite hon. Members who are jeering to consider what they have done. There are some hon. Members opposite who are supposed to represent constituencies which has serious housing problems. For the last four hours, while these problems have been discussed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5", "colnum": "579", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": " some hon. Members opposite who are supposed to represent constituencies which has serious housing problems. For the last four hours, while these problems have been discussed—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Nine.\"] I am speaking with the permission of the Chair. I shall stay until I have said what I have to say. I know what hon. Members are trying to say—that only a small number of my hon. Friends have been here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.579.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.581.1", "colnum": "581", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He has\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir William. Before you reach a final decision—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.581.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.586.0", "colnum": "586", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Member had wished this Amendment to be discussed he or his hon. Friends could have put it down themselves. In actual fact, the only two hon. and learned Members who chose to put it down both signified that they were not anxious to move it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.586.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.587.6", "colnum": "587", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Evans", "preceding_text": "the Amendment and that, a few minutes later, you should tell the Committee that the two hon. and learned Members had indicated that they did not wish to press the matter. You will appreciate that tonight, with the rough treatment we have had from the Patronage Secretary, we feel rather sore, and our indignation is not abated if we have any suspicion at all that you have not held the scales evenly—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.587.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.609.2", "colnum": "609", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Fourteen.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "I was not quite sure at one stage what it was my hon. Friend wanted legal advice upon, although I am sure he should have it if he wants it, because we are discussing a Schedule which continues some seven Acts of Parliament.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.609.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.611.2", "colnum": "611", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "On that point of order, Sir William. Is it not relevant—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.611.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.0", "colnum": "612", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "preceding_text": "Order. I must be allowed to take a point of order when it is put to me.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.1", "colnum": "612", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "A point of order is being put.", "preceding_speaker": "The Deputy-Chairman", "preceding_text": "Order. I must be allowed to take a point of order when it is put to me. [ Interruption. ]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.7", "colnum": "612", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "For some of the grounds that I have mentioned. It is easily possible for some of my hon. Friends to be unnecessarily apprehensive—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.612.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.616.1", "colnum": "616", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": "em and that we should have no answer from the Government to anything which has been said. It will be within the recollection of the Committee that you decided, Sir William, after a time that the Closure should be applied to the debate. We cannot dispute that Ruling now, and perhaps we may admit that my hon. Friends had by that time managed to say the more important things which they wanted to say:", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.616.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.616.1", "colnum": "616", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stewart", "preceding_text": "e applied to the debate. We cannot dispute that Ruling now, and perhaps we may admit that my hon. Friends had by that time managed to say the more important things which they wanted to say: [HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".] But it was open to the Joint Parliamentary Secretary at any time to try to catch your eye. I agree that it would not have been reasonable for him to do so early in the debate, but for him—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.616.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.620.9", "colnum": "620", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Major Sir William Anstruther-Gray)", "preceding_text": "The Question is, That the Bill be now read the Third time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.620.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-15", "file": "debates1961-11-15a.xml", "sha256": "1765efc3faf75c85", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.625.1", "colnum": "625", "heading": "EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. M. Stewart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. M. Stewart", "preceding_text": "sing and Local Government, or, if he thinks fit, the Leader of the House, to say that he is willing on Third Reading to make a reply to the great weight of serious argument which has been addressed to the Bill. Here is the Government's opportunity. I think that perhaps they have learned from the course of the last hour or so that to move the Closure is not the quickest way home for the Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-15a.625.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.677.3", "colnum": "677", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. I was putting to the Leader of the House a question, and then I was asking for your guidance, in furtherance of that question, Sir. May I therefore ask you whether the point that I am now going to put—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.677.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.677.3", "colnum": "677", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "t of order. I was putting to the Leader of the House a question, and then I was asking for your guidance, in furtherance of that question, Sir. May I therefore ask you whether the point that I am now going to put—[ Laughter .] It is quite simple. I am asking, Mr. Speaker, whether the point that I am now going to put should be directed to the Leader of the House or to you. I shall now put my point.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.677.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.683.3", "colnum": "683", "heading": "OPPOSITION FRONT BENCH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "some ideas into this House which, in my view, have led to an organic weakness in Parliamentary practice. Tonight, there will be announced the names of the Labour Party committee which will be elected to represent those on this side of the House. I shall accept the constitutional results of that ballot and make no complaint about it, but I make a fundamental objection to what I am going to say now—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.683.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.684.4", "colnum": "684", "heading": "OPPOSITION FRONT BENCH", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Shinwell", "preceding_text": " controversy and also a great deal of confusion—to grant preferential treatment in calling hon. Members who sit on the Front Bench from time to time? Is not that the position? Is not my right hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw (Mr. Bellenger) correct in his assumption that if those who are assigned—not elected—by the constitutional methods practised by the Labour Party to sit on the Front Bench—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.684.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.688.1", "colnum": "688", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "rst became a noticeable figure in 1953, and since 1955 we have endeavoured to keep figures of the numbers going in and out. The net intake in 1955 was about 43,000 and an inflow of approximately the same dimensions went on for the next two years. The figure dropped to 30,000 only in 1958 and to 21,000 in 1959. This striking drop was attributable in part to a slight economic recession which we had.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.688.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.690.1", "colnum": "690", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I have not the figure, but I will make a note for my right hon. Friend who is to wind up the debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.690.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.691.10", "colnum": "691", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I will examine the figures which have been given and see that a statement is made on behalf of the Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.691.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.693.0", "colnum": "693", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Humbug.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "f necessity be private. I cannot publish the text of confidential exchanges between one Government and another. I have explained, in answering the Opposition Amendment, that these consultations took place from the date, and even from a time before then, when the decision was taken. What I wish to make clear now is that future consultations must go on. We know how valuable the immigrants have been—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.693.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.693.0", "colnum": "693", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "e contribution which the immigrants have made to our national life. In particular, our hospitals and public transport system would be in difficulties were it not for the services of immigrant workers. I pay a tribute to the courteous and efficient way in which so many of them serve us in our hospitals, buses and railways, restaurants and other branches of essential services. I say that on purpose.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.693.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.694.1", "colnum": "694", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "the aegis of local authorities. We welcome the work they have done, but they can deal with limited numbers only, and, if the numbers of new entrants are excessive, their assimilation into our society presents the gravest difficulty, as many hon. Members on both sides of the House have informed me in the course of private conversation. Of course, we are doing our best to improve housing conditions.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.694.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.698.2", "colnum": "698", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "e was satisfied that we had taken Northern Ireland's interests fully into account. He has also assured me that any proposal to restrict freedom of travel between Northern Ireland, which is an integral part of the United Kingdom, and the rest of the country would be unacceptable to the Northern Ireland Government. I fully realise, of course, that our decision can be, and may well be, misunderstood—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.698.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.698.2", "colnum": "698", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "e has also assured me that any proposal to restrict freedom of travel between Northern Ireland, which is an integral part of the United Kingdom, and the rest of the country would be unacceptable to the Northern Ireland Government. I fully realise, of course, that our decision can be, and may well be, misunderstood—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] The Bill is drafted so that there is no racial discrimination—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.698.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1", "colnum": "716", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Deputy for Mosley.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1", "colnum": "716", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: The hon. Member does not deserve it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Deputy for Mosley.\"]—I hope that hon. Members opposite, who are so keen on racial equality, will at least give me the courtesy of a hearing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1", "colnum": "716", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Deputy for Mosley.\"]—I hope that hon. Members opposite, who are so keen on racial equality, will at least give me the courtesy of a hearing—[An HON. MEMBER: The hon. Member does not deserve it.\"]—and will give me the sort of hearing that they would demand for anybody speaking from this side who happened to have a black face.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.716.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.0", "colnum": "717", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Scholefield Allen", "preceding_text": "Mosley gets thousands of letters.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.3", "colnum": "717", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "he most momentous decisions that the House will have to take for many a generation, but I believe that it is ten years too late and that it is still inadequate. I think that far greater controls will be necessary before long. As a child, however, I was taught that half a loaf is better than no bread, and I am grateful for small mercies. Why is the Bill necessary? That is the question we must face.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.3", "colnum": "717", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "good letter giving a number of figures which prove beyond doubt that a Bill of this kind was necessary. The right hon. Member for Smethwick simply ignored those figures and the implications behind them. When the Leader of the Opposition winds up the debate from his side of the House, I should like him to face the ugly facts of those figures that were in my letter yesterday in the Daily Telegraph .", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.717.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.0", "colnum": "719", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He was talking sense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "Let me answer one at a time. The right hon. Gentleman had a fair run and was listened to patiently.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.6", "colnum": "719", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "Every Methodist is entitled to do that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.8", "colnum": "719", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why is that?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "The question I want to face is, why do immigrants come to this country? Why do they come here? For the simple reason that the standard of living in this country, as I showed in my letter, is so much higher than that they can enjoy in their own country—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.8", "colnum": "719", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why is that?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "The question I want to face is, why do immigrants come to this country? Why do they come here? For the simple reason that the standard of living in this country, as I showed in my letter, is so much higher than that they can enjoy in their own country—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Why is that?\"]—and they will continue to come here whilst our standard of living is so much higher than theirs.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.9", "colnum": "719", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "How much money has the hon. Member in the West Indies?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "iving in this country, as I showed in my letter, is so much higher than that they can enjoy in their own country—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Why is that?\"]—and they will continue to come here whilst our standard of living is so much higher than theirs. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Why is that?\"] As long as that is true they will come. This is the honey pot to which they will come, so long as there is any honey in the pot.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.719.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.0", "colnum": "720", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Hon. Members: \"What about Nigel Nicolson?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I believe in the brotherhood of all men, and I would not shut out half a dozen members from my own party just because they disagree.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.0", "colnum": "720", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I believe in the brotherhood of all men, and I would not shut out half a dozen members from my own party just because they disagree. [Hon. Members: \"What about Nigel Nicolson?\"] So far as I know, the Foot family are still white. I think that hon. Gentlemen opposite—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.9", "colnum": "720", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Exploitation.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "am much obliged to you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I say to hon. Gentlemen this will do them no good. What we are seeing is the sort of liberty which they will leave to us. They believe in the black man having his say, but not the white man. I claim that control is inevitable because of the attraction of our country to the coloured people because of their immense poverty and their low standard of living.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.720.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.2", "colnum": "721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "I withdraw that remark. But I appeal to the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition. Does he not think I should have a fair hearing? Is he proud of this sort of thing?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4", "colnum": "721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How many West Indians?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": " The right hon. Gentleman made a lot of the question of the open door policy, and it is in the Amendment. The open door policy could have been maintained while only a small trickle such as we had pre-war was coming to our country, but once we had the immense rush, the great crowds that we are getting now, the situation changed. Figures have been given for the first ten months of this year—113,009.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4", "colnum": "721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Irish?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "finitely to take all who would like to come. That is a fact which has got to be faced. Some day, if it is not done now, we have got to impose some form of restriction, and I think that the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition would agree with that. We have not the wealth nor the resources nor the space to take the whole of the coloured Commonwealth members who might want to come here.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4", "colnum": "721", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Welsh? The Scots?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "ne now, we have got to impose some form of restriction, and I think that the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition would agree with that. We have not the wealth nor the resources nor the space to take the whole of the coloured Commonwealth members who might want to come here. [HON. MEMBERS: \"The Irish?\"] I would control the Irish if I could, and I am not so sure that it cannot be done.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.721.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2", "colnum": "727", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Tell the Chancellor.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "em with this basic problem. They have to face poverty and increasing population. Hon. Members should bear in mind that at present basic commodities cost less than since 1946. If we as a country had paid the same terms of trade last year as we would have paid in 1954, then for imports from the coloured Commonwealth, we would have paid between £400 million and £450 million more than we actually did.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2", "colnum": "727", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"British people.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": "If we as a country had paid the same terms of trade last year as we would have paid in 1954, then for imports from the coloured Commonwealth, we would have paid between £400 million and £450 million more than we actually did. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Tell the Chancellor.\"] The coloured people would have been that much better off, but we must face it that the English people would have been that much poorer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2", "colnum": "727", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Ah.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Osborne", "preceding_text": " \"Tell the Chancellor.\"] The coloured people would have been that much better off, but we must face it that the English people would have been that much poorer. [An HON. MEMBER: \"British people.\"] The problem is greater in England. These people do not go to Wales or to Scotland. The question that I want to put, therefore, is this. If we are to put into effect the concept of the brotherhood of man—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.727.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.736.10", "colnum": "736", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Out of hand?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "preceding_text": " our society quite happily and quite satisfactorily, with the odd difficulty here and there. Many people were writing to me then saying that we ought not to have control of immigration, and I agreed with them. Now, however, as my right hon. Friend pointed out, the matter has become extremely serious and almost out of hand. I am glad that the right hon. Member for Smethwick did not try to cloak it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.736.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.736.10", "colnum": "736", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not true.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gurden", "preceding_text": "w, however, as my right hon. Friend pointed out, the matter has become extremely serious and almost out of hand. I am glad that the right hon. Member for Smethwick did not try to cloak it. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Out of hand?\"] Hon. Members should see some of the things which go on in Birmingham. They would then think that it was getting out of hand. Certainly the police have more than they can deal with.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.736.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.753.1", "colnum": "753", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"More.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Turton", "preceding_text": "nity. The Home Secretary gave a figure of 500,000 for our Commonwealth immigrant population. I thought the figure was 400,000, but no doubt there have been increases which make my figure out of date. There are 400,000 aliens—we get that figure from the Statistical Abstract. I can find no record of the numbers of Irish, but it would probably be fair to say that they number about 500,000 or 600,000—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.753.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.762.1", "colnum": "762", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "ed you will appreciate that if we had not had the opportunity of employing coloured immigrants our staff shortage would have been more severe and we should have been unable to maintain services, with a detrimental effect on the travelling public. I also have figures here relating to the salvage department of Birmingham and other public works departments, but I shall not bother the House with them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.762.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.767.1", "colnum": "767", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Take the bathroom door?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "preceding_text": "ng a contribution, and the fireside. But the child is not entitled to come in and turn the parents out of the house. The child is not allowed to come in and should not be allowed to come and take the bathroom door and do things of that kind, and anyone who is faced with this problem in his constituency knows that that is what has happened, and it is that part of this problem we have got to tackle.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.767.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.769.1", "colnum": "769", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, no.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "preceding_text": "I have spoken in metaphor, but I believe I carry the House with me—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.769.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.769.1", "colnum": "769", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Not at all.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "preceding_text": "AL REPORT, 31st October, 1961; Vol. 648, c. 28.] The Opposition Amendment today does not go quite as far as that, 'but it does make some similar suggestion with reference to housing. It is not very clear what it means. If I may say so—I do not want to be controversial—it is, of course, perfectly fair for the Opposition on a controversial Bill to seek to make party capital on an issue of this sort.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.769.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.770.1", "colnum": "770", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Who said this?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir H. Lucas-Tooth", "preceding_text": "I do not think that even Middlesex County Council could build very many more houses in my constituency unless it does violence to the Green Belt. I do not want to get involved in this housing question, but when I hear it said we are going to regulate immigration into Hendon by reference to the possibility of housing new immigrants—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.770.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1", "colnum": "792", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " other words, these people have come here because they were wanted. The hon. Member for Louth couples with this argument the question, \"Are you prepared to say that under no conditions will you ever wish to close this door? Even if 50 million Indians were to come into this country, would you say, 'Let them all come'?\" This is an old trick. It is the kind of question which is unreal and irrelevant.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1", "colnum": "792", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Twenty-one thousand.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ons and millions of brown and black people coming to this country. Anyone who is trying to put that across is only trying to frighten people into believing that. I do not doubt that the hon. Member for Louth will say, \"They come here; they are out of work; they are living on public assistance\". Are they? He has said it on occasions. This is a very important point. How many of them are unemployed?—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1", "colnum": "792", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It has been put forward here.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "o the movement of unfilled vacancies. If we were to run into a recession, we should find the immigration drying up extremely quickly. Of course, we have had some other ideas put forward and they are related to what is in the Bill. It is said, \"Keep them out because they are all diseased\". I am bound to say that that is not put forward here, but we know that that is the sort of thing which is said.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1", "colnum": "792", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Or housing.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "e. The real point, however, is this. Will it work? What is its object? To stop people coming here if they cannot get jobs so that they are not left unemployed? But the Government would let in those who are wanted. If that is the case they would have let in those who came last year, would they not? If that is the case, of course, they would have done nothing to solve the problem of racial conflict—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.792.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.800.1", "colnum": "800", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"As they have a right to.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ent. to 23 per cent. in Barbados. The Government are throwing their unemployed back on them, are they not? It cannot be denied. They are still our Colonies. We are responsible for them, and they think of themselves, as anybody who has been there knows, as British people. Oh, yes, they do. It is rather moving. I found when I was there that they look on us as the Mother Country in a very real sense—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.800.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.803.1", "colnum": "803", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare)", "preceding_text": "The Minister of Labour (Mr. John Hare) rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.803.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.803.3", "colnum": "803", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And logical.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "It would seem that the Opposition may not be very receptive to what I have to say. We have listened to a speech by the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition which was both eloquent and emotional.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.803.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.805.7", "colnum": "805", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "Mr. Thorpe rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.805.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.805.8", "colnum": "805", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Where?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": " have arrangements for dealing with emigration, and although these have not been completely successful, they provide some experience on which future co-operation can be based. The third category of applicants consists of people wishing to come and work here but having neither a skill nor a definite job to come to. These people, who are the majority, will apply direct to my Department for vouchers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.805.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.808.3", "colnum": "808", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "Interruptions .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "our fellow members of the Commonwealth. I am grateful to the House for having given me rather a good hearing. I have tried to give in some detail the figures which some hon. Members felt were lacking, and I have also tried to give the House a picture of the way in which the employment voucher scheme will be operated. We want to have a flexible scheme. We want something that is as fair as possible.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.808.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-16", "file": "debates1961-11-16a.xml", "sha256": "bfb297fd51097c83", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.812.1", "colnum": "812", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Resign.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "the Bill to regulate the size of the inflow we receive. I think that the Government have been right not to shirk a responsibility, however distasteful, and to present this Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-16a.812.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.932.7", "colnum": "932", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "If I were allowed to make my speech it might be found that I shall be mentioning something about Scotland. I did not wish to mention this point, but perhaps I may point out that the Opposition do not have a Scottish Front Bench speaker for this debate. Therefore, I do not think that it lies with the Opposition to criticise the Government in that respect.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.932.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.934.7", "colnum": "934", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "Mr. Callaghan rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.934.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.934.10", "colnum": "934", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "I fully realise that, Mr. Speaker, but—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.934.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.941.2", "colnum": "941", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "then be an opportunity for a full review of the financial position and prospects of the railways. I thought it important to try to frame the technique of these financial proposals so that the House would automatically have an adequate opportunity of debating them in the next few years. This reorganisation means dismantling machinery set up in 1947 for integration, which, in fact, never took place.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.941.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.941.2", "colnum": "941", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What about C-licences?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "e technique of these financial proposals so that the House would automatically have an adequate opportunity of debating them in the next few years. This reorganisation means dismantling machinery set up in 1947 for integration, which, in fact, never took place. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"] It never took place and, if I may say so, it does not really lie in the mouths of hon. Members opposite to ask why.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.941.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.947.1", "colnum": "947", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "The hon. and learned Gentleman was not here.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hector Hughes", "preceding_text": "Mr. Hector Hughes rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.947.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.950.1", "colnum": "950", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "hout notes at all, because I enjoy myself better. At the same time, in the interests of trying to cover all the points lucidly and comprehensively, I prepared my notes today more fully than usual. I am quite prepared, if hon. Members want me to, to make a speech without any notes, but the point is that I am trying to give hon. Members general information they would want when dealing with the Bill—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.950.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.952.2", "colnum": "952", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "me the employees of the Railways Board. Therefore, none of the staff employed by the Transport Commission immediately before vesting date will be without an employer to whom he can look for his rights under his contract of employment. There are in the Bill other provisions for the care of staff, about which, I am sure, the House would like to hear. They are provisions for taking care of the staff—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.952.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.955.1", "colnum": "955", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "eching is making will show what traffics the railways are best suited to carry, and to carry profitably. Expenditure on modernisation must be geared to these studies. The Bill by itself merely provides the framework under which we can get a dynamic management and give the opportunity and enable the railways, in particular, to regain their efficiency and play their proper part in our national life.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.955.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.955.1", "colnum": "955", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marples", "preceding_text": "ement and give the opportunity and enable the railways, in particular, to regain their efficiency and play their proper part in our national life. [ Interruption. ] I am bitterly disappointed that in this debate the Leader of the Opposition has not chosen the hon. Member for Cardiff, South-East to play a principal part. The Opposition have four Front Bench speakers and one Front Bench interrupter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.955.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.968.1", "colnum": "968", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Richard Nugent", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It was never practised.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Richard Nugent", "preceding_text": "btain the support of Parliament as a whole in the immensely difficult job which still has to be done outside on the railways. I am sorry that, because it is a departure from the original approach of his party towards an integrated system, the right hon. Gentleman feels that he and his hon. Friends must reject the Bill. The integrated system which the right hon. Gentleman talked about never worked.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.968.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.968.1", "colnum": "968", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Richard Nugent", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Richard Nugent", "preceding_text": "hon. Gentleman feels that he and his hon. Friends must reject the Bill. The integrated system which the right hon. Gentleman talked about never worked. [An HON. MEMBER: \"It was never practised.\"] In contacts which I had with the railways when I was in the Ministry of Transport it was surprising how little it was possible to get the railway system to integrate with the British Road Services system.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.968.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.969.5", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "preceding_text": " that traders use road transport today because it gives them a better transport system and a quicker and more reliable delivery of the goods they send. It a system of the kind contemplated by the Labour Party is introduced, inevitably traders will be obliged to send goods by a system of transport which is against their better judgment. That is bound to increase the cost of transport to the nation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.969.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.969.5", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir R. Nugent", "preceding_text": "uicker and more reliable delivery of the goods they send. It a system of the kind contemplated by the Labour Party is introduced, inevitably traders will be obliged to send goods by a system of transport which is against their better judgment. That is bound to increase the cost of transport to the nation. [HON. MEMBERS: \"No\"] This must be against the national interest and put it at a disadvantage—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.969.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1003.2", "colnum": "1003", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Walter Monslow", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Walter Monslow", "preceding_text": "s believed by the Minister and others who have spoken from the benches opposite, that the railway industry will soon be a viable concern once again. From the Bill, I see no ground whatever for believing that. I have long expressed the view that the Transport Act, 1947, was wrecked of any hope of success from its inception because we had no control—the Minister was right about this—over C-licences.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1003.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1012.1", "colnum": "1012", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Francis Noel-Baker", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"More than that.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Francis Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "shown a little more courtesy while he was speaking and have dealt with some of the serious points which my hon. Friends were trying to put to him. One matter which worries me very much about the Bill—it was referred to by my right hon. Friend—is that one of my hon. Friends has calculated that there are 97 points at which the Minister is now entitled to interfere in the railway system in this Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1012.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1068.6", "colnum": "1068", "heading": "MOTOR VEHICLES (TESTS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hon. Members No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman gave that impression.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1068.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-20", "file": "debates1961-11-20a.xml", "sha256": "5c69b0e0754014e8", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1069.1", "colnum": "1069", "heading": "MOTOR VEHICLES (TESTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman had a good deal of latitude in making his observations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-20a.1069.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1131.5", "colnum": "1131", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — Wages, Salaries and Dividends", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rents.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "In reply to the first part of that question, I have nothing to add to the original Answer or to the statement I made in reply to the Leader of the Opposition in the debate on 7th November. In regard to dividends—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1131.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1131.5", "colnum": "1131", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — Wages, Salaries and Dividends", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"And rents.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lloyd", "preceding_text": "In reply to the first part of that question, I have nothing to add to the original Answer or to the statement I made in reply to the Leader of the Opposition in the debate on 7th November. In regard to dividends—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Rents.\"] The right hon. Member asked about dividends—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1131.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1144.4", "colnum": "1144", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — OLD-AGE PENSIONERS", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "No, Sir; I do not think that that would be a practical suggestion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1144.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1151.4", "colnum": "1151", "heading": "WAGES, SALARIES AND DIVIDENDS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "May I put one supplementary question to the Prime Minister?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1151.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1162.3", "colnum": "1162", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Hear, hear\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "of the main financial provisions of the Bill. I am sure that I do not have to stress to the House how important these financial provisions are. I welcome the fact that they received general approval yesterday, and I must say that I cannot help sympathising with the view expressed in this morning's Press that the House has received this part of the Government's proposals with noteworthy equanimity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1162.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1181.0", "colnum": "1181", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir E. Boyle", "preceding_text": "ible. The point I made about Parliament was that the total amount of subsidy proposed in any year would be subject to Parliamentary control in the ordinary way through the procedure of annual Votes. In addition, my right hon. Friend has direct control over the question of railway closures. As I recall as a former back bencher, it is possible to have Adjournment debates and so on on these subjects.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1181.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1217.0", "colnum": "1217", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh, no.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Collick", "preceding_text": "as previously in charge. Frankly, I have never heard of a more dishonourable thing. I do not know of a case—there may be one—in which a Government has appointed so quickly a man as chairman of a body whose affairs he himself was investigating. I do not think that that reflects any credit on the Government, or on the Minister responsible. There are two other things of importance that I wish to say.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1217.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1220.1", "colnum": "1220", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Toby Low", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Have a go.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Toby Low", "preceding_text": "In the course of the 45 minutes of the speech of the hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Collick), a great many arguments have been put forward. If I were to try to answer even some of his extravagances—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1220.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-21", "file": "debates1961-11-21a.xml", "sha256": "c36c761e3daf5198", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1270.0", "colnum": "1270", "heading": "Orders of the Day — TRANSPORT BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "\"Yet\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": " is the same with the Bill. The shocks we were preparing ourselves for have fizzled out. These are the railwaymen who are \"taking to drink\" and whose morale is low. The article goes on: There are a number of things in the Bill which we have advocated, especially the financial provisions. That is the main object of the Bill. It continues: The hotels are not to be sold off to private enterprise yet.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-21a.1269.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1351.1", "colnum": "1351", "heading": "HON. MEMBER FOR LIVERPOOL, SCOTLAND DIVISION (90th BIRTHDAY)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "Before you become worried about the rules of order, Mr. Speaker, may I hastily say on behalf of all my right hon. and hon. Friends that we are delighted to greet my hon. Friend today. He is, I think, the third person in the history of the House to reach the age of 90 while still a Member. We wish him many, many, happy returns.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1351.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1357.3", "colnum": "1357", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. John Maclay)", "preceding_text": "hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition and some of his hon. Friends. The Amendment refers in the first place to the Bill's failure to deal with the problem of interest rates or to provide the local authorities and other public agencies with the means greatly to increase the supply of houses in Scotland. I do not propose, in this speech, to go into the old story of high and low interest rates.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1357.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1367.2", "colnum": "1367", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Maclay", "preceding_text": "I have no feeling of guilt about this. I was merely realising that hon. Members may not fully appreciate the reasons for this Clause.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1367.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1392.1", "colnum": "1392", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Earl of Dalkeith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Tory Government.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Earl of Dalkeith", "preceding_text": "n, I feel that I can speak on housing in Scotland with some feeling. At the risk of exposing myself to the criticism of irresponsibility, I should like to say that I should like to see a vast expansion in our housing and house building programme in Scotland. However much we may boast of what we have done since the war, however we may compare the records of houses built under a Unionist Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1392.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1410.1", "colnum": "1410", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir C. Thornton-Kemsley", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Only one way.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Thornton-Kemsley", "preceding_text": "Of course not. I believe that it is the right of a local authority to fix what rent it believes to be right.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1410.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1441.3", "colnum": "1441", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "teps had to be taken to bring them to their senses. My right hon. Friend did that, despite the difficulties he had in doing so, and as long as even one local authority in Scotland will behave in that way the powers my right hon. Friend is taking in this Bill are more than justified. If I may criticise the Secretary of State in one respect it is that the powers he is seeking are not drastic enough.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1441.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1442.5", "colnum": "1442", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman knows full well that it was no Tory majority that did this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1442.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1442.5", "colnum": "1442", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman knows full well that it was no Tory majority that did this—[ Interruption. ] He knows full well that the committee that fixed these rents was Labourcontrolled—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1442.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1443.1", "colnum": "1443", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Apologise.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cyril Bence", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman has mentioned Dunbartonshire a good deal. I do not want to argue with him about Moderates, Independents, Conservatives or others, but the fact is that the affairs of the Dunbartonshire County Council have been controlled, while I have been there, by the Moderates and Independents, whatever their alignment may be—and it was not Labour.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1443.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1444.0", "colnum": "1444", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Just take the rent.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "I have not mentioned private landlordship. I am speaking of council houses, and I will not have red herrings like that drawn across the trail—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1444.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1444.0", "colnum": "1444", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "ntioned private landlordship. I am speaking of council houses, and I will not have red herrings like that drawn across the trail—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Just take the rent.\"] I suggest that my right hon. Friend might very well have laid down as a suitable standard the gross annual value fixed this year by the local assessor in each local authority area. Personally, I do not think even that is half enough—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1444.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1447.1", "colnum": "1447", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hendry", "preceding_text": "My right hon. Friend has undoubtedly weighed the possibility of immediate unpopularity against ultimate good. He is looking at Scotland through the eyes of a statesman.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1447.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1448.1", "colnum": "1448", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cyril Bence", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Not of houses to let.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cyril Bence", "preceding_text": " any industrial society. The time for private enterprise, whether by commercial finance or by private building, has gone. Apart from the building of luxury service flats outside the centres of industrial cities, I do not believe that in the rural districts and provinces of the industrial areas the provision of houses will ever again be a commercial investment. It certainly has not been since 1919.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1448.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3", "colnum": "1466", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Name it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "preceding_text": ". However unpalatable it may be to hon. Members opposite, the truth of the matter is that in many areas the housing problem is practically solved. Indeed, one large burgh in the industrial area has found that the problem of overcrowding in the existing stock of houses could be solved if the town could rearrange its tenants according to the numbers in their families. This shows the physical extent—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3", "colnum": "1466", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "preceding_text": " is that in many areas the housing problem is practically solved. Indeed, one large burgh in the industrial area has found that the problem of overcrowding in the existing stock of houses could be solved if the town could rearrange its tenants according to the numbers in their families. This shows the physical extent—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Name it.\"] Yes, I will give the name—it is the Burgh of Paisley —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-22", "file": "debates1961-11-22a.xml", "sha256": "983167a40e4723d7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3", "colnum": "1466", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HOUSING (SCOTLAND) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Galbraith", "preceding_text": " recognised in the White Paper, other areas where there is still a massive housing problem to be solved, and that is why the Bill has been introduced —to concentrate in the areas which need it most the help which is given by way of Government subsidy. What is wrong with that? It is what hon. Members opposite are preaching the whole time. They want the wealthy to pay more in order to help the poor.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-22a.1466.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1513.1", "colnum": "1513", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — COMMONWEALTH RELATIONS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "It is a little difficult—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1513.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1521.1", "colnum": "1521", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CANADA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sandys", "preceding_text": "I have already made it clear that I said that if we asked that this document should be distributed to all Commonwealth countries, it would entail the distribution of this document to a number of other countries.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1521.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1538.0", "colnum": "1538", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ELDERLY PEOPLE (ASSISTANCE)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think that I made it clear that while the ordinary systems under our Welfare State arrangements for taking care of old people have, I think, steadily improved in the lifetime of this Government—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1538.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1538.4", "colnum": "1538", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PALACE OF WESTMINSTER (MINISTERIAL ROOMS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": ", the installation of an annunciator in his room would cost anything from£250 to£300, and he needs it if he is intelligently to follow the course of the debate. Will the Prime Minister say who is the best Leader of the House we have got at the present time? Or will he tell us whether the present Home Secretary is a potential Prime Minister? Or is he prepared to define him as deputy Prime Minister.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1538.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1542.2", "colnum": "1542", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — IMMIGRATION (COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think that throughout this matter, the right hon. Gentleman has never committed himself, and he is trying to ride away from—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1542.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1542.4", "colnum": "1542", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — IMMIGRATION (COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption .", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman knows that I had engagements of a public nature which I could not avoid. That question is on a par with sending me a letter at 6 o'clock in the evening hoping to get it published before my reply.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1542.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1543.0", "colnum": "1543", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — IMMIGRATION (COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Grimond", "preceding_text": "Can the right hon. Gentleman help us on two matters of fact?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1543.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1543.5", "colnum": "1543", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — IMMIGRATION (COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENTS)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I have made it plain that we have, of course, had informal confidential talks on this matter for a long time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1543.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1579.0", "colnum": "1579", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CIVIL AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Fatal?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Roy Mason", "preceding_text": "ause there has not been a fatal accident of any kind. Concerning the independent airlines, however, while their scheduled services are quite good—but are not as good as the Corporations'—their charter services and inclusive tours present a different picture. They are not good at all, especially when one considers that since July last year there have been 67 fatal accidents on these aircraft alone.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1577.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1602.2", "colnum": "1602", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CIVIL AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Strachey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Strachey", "preceding_text": "The House will judge on the ridiculous travesty of what I said which the hon. Gentleman is making.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1602.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-23", "file": "debates1961-11-23a.xml", "sha256": "7a13da093affe524", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1607.1", "colnum": "1607", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CIVIL AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Arthur Skeffington", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He is a good sleeper.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Arthur Skeffington", "preceding_text": "not need to detain the House on that subject today except in one respect. The Parliamentary Secretary told us on 15th November that although he had only recently been appointed to that post he had already taken the opportunity to spend a night at London Airport. There he had spent a perfectly good night and had had a sound sleep. This has considerably astonished me and a number of my constituents.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-23a.1607.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-24", "file": "debates1961-11-24a.xml", "sha256": "ad7eac0930f89659", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-24a.1760.1", "colnum": "1760", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HEALTH VISITORS AND SOCIAL WORKERS TRAINING BILL", "cue_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Herbison", "preceding_text": "I am referring to those who represent Scottish constituencies—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-24a.1760.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.8.2", "colnum": "8", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF POWER", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What do you mean by it?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wood", "preceding_text": "I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and, I think, most of his Friends, that co-ordination is very important indeed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.8.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.23.6", "colnum": "23", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Sir A. V. Harvey", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir A. V. Harvey", "preceding_text": "Will my right hon. Friend consult the Leader of the House to see if time could be found for this Measure? It is generally agreed by both sides", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.23.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.24.8", "colnum": "24", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "In view of that comprehensive but unsatisfactory reply—because the Report was issued last Wednesday—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.24.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.25.0", "colnum": "25", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is not a point of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. Surely it is competent to ask the hon. Member what evidence—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.25.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.25.2", "colnum": "25", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "Surely if it is not exactly a point of order—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.25.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.35.1", "colnum": "35", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is what he is doing.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "Will the right hon. Gentleman simply explain this? What is wrong with informing the Commonwealth Governments of what is going on?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.35.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.36.1", "colnum": "36", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that he is in a very special—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.36.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.36.4", "colnum": "36", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "preceding_text": "Will my right hon. Friend agree that the words used by the Leader of the Opposition are mischievous, dishonest and—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.36.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.37.6", "colnum": "37", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I think that the right way to deal with the situation is this. We are still, in theory, at Question Time and that kind of introduction of an adjectival imputation at Question Time is out of order at that moment, and on that ground I call on the right hon. Member to withdraw the word \"dishonest\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.37.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.37.8", "colnum": "37", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Withdraw.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Birch", "preceding_text": "Does the word \"dishonest\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.37.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.41.3", "colnum": "41", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman now agrees that breaches of security are unsatisfactory.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.41.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.42.2", "colnum": "42", "heading": "COMMON MARKET NEGOTIATIONS (LORD PRIVY SEAL'S SPEECH)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Canada.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "As I understand it, we have agreement with the Commonwealth about the methods of consultation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.42.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.46.1", "colnum": "46", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "The Bill is is divided into three parts. The first part gives the Secretary of State for War permissive powers to retain National Service men now on whole-time service with the Army for a period up to six months. Clause 1 gives this power. There are at present about 50,000 National Service men still serving with the Army all of whom are I know living in a state of great anxiety about their future.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.46.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.55.1", "colnum": "55", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": " must also see that the volunteers are, as far as possible, sprinkled all over the country, since by recalling key men like these we must not run the risk seriously of interfering with industry or the vitality of the nation. I do not think that that is at all likely to happen since the numbers concerned will not be great. We thought carefully about what would be an appropriate name for this force.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.55.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.74.0", "colnum": "74", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Richard Glyn", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Richard Glyn", "preceding_text": "ce in the Territorial Army. First of all, there are no such people left in the Territorial Army. Secondly, the Territorial soldier does not have a minimum commitment of that style at all. He trains as much as he wishes, and I hope very much that it will be the keener ones who will be recommended by their commanding officers for the right to serve in what are called the \"Ever-readies\". Such people—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.74.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.74.0", "colnum": "74", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Richard Glyn", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Richard Glyn", "preceding_text": ". Secondly, the Territorial soldier does not have a minimum commitment of that style at all. He trains as much as he wishes, and I hope very much that it will be the keener ones who will be recommended by their commanding officers for the right to serve in what are called the \"Ever-readies\". Such people—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"]—in many cases have done a hundred drills in a year, and I personally—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.74.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.100.0", "colnum": "100", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "preceding_text": "I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. This will strengthen the point I want to make about reserves. In fact, this method of running down our trained reserves—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.100.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.112.1", "colnum": "112", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ness Edwards", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ness Edwards", "preceding_text": "mmitting this folly? We have heard much talk recently about national sovereignty, but in the context of the Bill we are acting on the demand of an Under-Secretary of the United States Government, we allow General de Gaulle to veto our efforts to do away with the need for these forces, and all for the purpose of saving the Germans from the consequences of the defeat which followed their aggression.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.112.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.179.7", "colnum": "179", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Where is he?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Christopher Mayhew", "preceding_text": "After that disastrous vote for the Government, this Resolution gives a much-needed opportunity to the Minister of Defence to give us some of the answers to the questions which we asked in the previous debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.179.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.188.0", "colnum": "188", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Strachey", "preceding_text": "stponed. If there is to be expenditure, under what legislation? Is it to be taken from the last Army Esti- mates, as we have just been told? If so, does the Minister seriously suggest that this is a possible application of the doctrine of virement? If it is not, will he take this Money Resolution back and revise it and bring it into some relation to the Bill which he is asking the House to accept?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.187.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.188.7", "colnum": "188", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "Hon. Members: \"And ultra vires \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": " under an earlier Measure either before April or after? The Secretary of State for War stated that in so far as some money was to be spent before the next Army Estimates it could be properly paid because of the Vote passed earlier this year. With respect to the Secretary of State, that is quite wrong. It would be constitutionally impossible, legally impossible, contrary to parliamentary procedure—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.188.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-27", "file": "debates1961-11-27a.xml", "sha256": "b35e0b74149fc532", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.191.0", "colnum": "191", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE [MONEY]", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "preceding_text": " the maximum number of officers and other ranks to be maintained in the Army service. There is no reference to the pay of the Army on Vote A and no reference to bounties nor any of the other things to which the Secretary of State has referred. If this is an obvious mistake he has made, perhaps he would like a little time before we conclude this discussion, as, unfortunately, we must in due course.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-27a.191.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.210.3", "colnum": "210", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macpherson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Cheat.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macpherson", "preceding_text": "It is a fact that so far more applications have been turned down than accepted, but I do not think that this could be described as cheap legislation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.210.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.226.1", "colnum": "226", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mason", "preceding_text": "What must we do to give the Board of Trade a kick in the pants to do something about this?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.226.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.2", "colnum": "238", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, Hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "But the electricity industry has made a profit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.5", "colnum": "238", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think that we should be fair to the management of the industry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.5", "colnum": "238", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Most of it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "I think that we should be fair to the management of the industry. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"] Very large sums have been invested in capital by Government loans, not all out of the profits of the industry.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.238.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.242.1", "colnum": "242", "heading": "FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": " Government to acknowledge the reality of the situation, which is that we shall not be able to use Singapore fully without the consent of the people who have responsibility for government? Why not say so? If that lessens the value of Singapore, let us acknowledge that it lessens the value and let us re-examine the question of the use of the base and how worth while it is to us. May I ask, further—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.242.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.246.6", "colnum": "246", "heading": "FEDERATION OF MALAYSIA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "preceding_text": "Will the right hon. Gentleman confirm that, according to his reading of it, the Treaty means that the Federation, although not a party to S.E.A.T.O., may be involved in a S.E.A.T.O. war by the unilateral action of the Government without the assent of the Federation Government. Is that the position?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.246.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-28", "file": "debates1961-11-28a.xml", "sha256": "fbf1db0fcfaf7346", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.250.1", "colnum": "250", "heading": "PUBLIC INVESTMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Too small.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": " sort of quick indulgence which the Amendment recommends. It might be argued that the 1962–63 figures in the White Paper are not too small—as the Opposition seem to think—but too big. I do not believe that that is so. We could not hold our own in the world if we were content to become static. The gross national product in recent years has been increasing by just under 3 per cent, per annum.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-28a.250.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.409.5", "colnum": "409", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CENTRAL EUROPE (CONTROLLED DISARMAMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cronin", "preceding_text": "Would not the right hon. Gentleman agree that the negotiations on Berlin are more likely to be satisfactory if they form part of a general discussion on controlled disarmament and disengagement in Central Europe?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.409.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.413.4", "colnum": "413", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bullard", "preceding_text": "Is my right hon. Friend aware that many of us find the political implications even of the Rome Treaty quite enough to accept? Will he therefore avoid landing us with another ready-made treaty which may be difficult for us to swallow?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.413.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.431.1", "colnum": "431", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — UNITED NATIONS (FINANCE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What for?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend's views about this matter are well known to the House. What is important is that the countries of the United Nations should pay their assessed amounts to its funds.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.431.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.435.0", "colnum": "435", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GERMANY (KRUPP INDUSTRIES)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Do they?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Millan", "preceding_text": ", at Krupps's 150th anniversary celebrations the other day? Is it not perfectly clear from those speeches that the West German Government does not intend to fulfil its obligations which it took over under the Bonn Convention? Will he make the strongest possible representations to the West German Government and let it know that at least the British Government still take those obligations seriously?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.434.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.470.1", "colnum": "470", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Wrong again\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "onal Union of Mineworkers. A second factor which my right hon. Friend conveniently omitted to mention today in his financial survey is the fact that twelve months ago the Board was carrying a total of no less than 32 million tons of undistributed coal. During the last twelve months, the stock of undistributed coal has, fortunately and mercifully, been reduced by 10 million tons to 22 million tons.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.470.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.472.1", "colnum": "472", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How long has he been up?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "man. I am a Tory, and he is a Labourite. Not only should the chairman of the Electricity Council, as the culprit in the nationalised boards, have resigned, but his ministerial parent, my right hon. Friend, should resign, for he is surely responsible for guiding the chairmen of State boards as to their acceptance or otherwise of Government policy. I listened to my right hon. Friend as he mentioned—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.472.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.473.1", "colnum": "473", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Amused.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "I can understand hon. Members opposite becoming irritated.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.473.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.474.4", "colnum": "474", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "the moneys will be derived from the additional £50 million voted under the Coal Industry Act\"? If arbitration is to be honoured or otherwise, the treatment by the Government must be uniform. The Government have thrown out the arbitration award for the civil servants. It is better to tell the coal miners now that if their claim succeeds on arbitration it will be thrown out by the Ministry of Power.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.474.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.474.4", "colnum": "474", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "ward for the civil servants. It is better to tell the coal miners now that if their claim succeeds on arbitration it will be thrown out by the Ministry of Power. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] It would be illogical to do otherwise. As I see it, we cannot have the Government honouring one form of arbitration award where public servants are involved and refusing to honour another. There should be uniformity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.474.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.510.2", "colnum": "510", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Rankin", "preceding_text": "What does the hon. Member think that my hon. Friend has been saying?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.510.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.513.0", "colnum": "513", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Skeet", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Skeet", "preceding_text": " do that in the case of the Coal Board. Let me say to my right hon. Friend that it is necessary for the wage pause to continue. I hope that he will give an assurance that the moneys he is advancing will not be utilised at any time for this purpose. This is a deficit industry and we must regard it as such. We must also realise that the wage pause will not go on interminably. It will come to an end.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.513.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.557.2", "colnum": "557", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Tell that to the Prime Minister.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George", "preceding_text": "but had had no instructions; that if he were given instructions he would feel obliged to tell the unions; and that he thought that they would then transfer their claim to the Government. We agree that that would be the course of events. That is all the more reason why this confidence which I say is so essential should not be destroyed by the giving of directions. Confidence and trust should reign.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.557.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.557.4", "colnum": "557", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why the wage pause, then?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George", "preceding_text": "I leave the remainder of the questions until later and turn to some of the other issues raised in the debate. My hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Mr. Ridsdale), in a most thoughtful and courageous speech, although somewhat along the wrong lines, said that we are in this crisis together. Frankly, I do not agree that there is a crisis; but we are certainly all in this together.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.557.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.558.2", "colnum": "558", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Box", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Box", "preceding_text": "I must make it clear that I have not had an official reply so far from the Chairman of the Board. What I quoted was a newspaper report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.558.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.565.3", "colnum": "565", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Loughlin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Loughlin", "preceding_text": "is Agreement as distinct from that which it re- ceives under the Agreement which has existed from 1952 and will continue until 1962. We are under some difficulty. If the Minister had given us an explanation, we might have been saved from possibly being wrong in our reading of this Agreement. I have some difficulty in reading the ordinary newspaper, quite apart from reading agreements of this kind.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.565.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.569.0", "colnum": "569", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "I have been to the Library. Perhaps the hon. Member, instead of reclining in his seat, will go there and see whether he can find a copy. I am asking that you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, who are the custodian of the privileges of hon. Members, particularly back bench Members and especially Opposition Members—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.569.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.3", "colnum": "574", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "preceding_text": "I had every intention, as the hon. Member knows, of rising in my place at the outset of this debate when—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.3", "colnum": "574", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "preceding_text": "I had every intention, as the hon. Member knows, of rising in my place at the outset of this debate when—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—the hon. Member for Gloucestershire, West (Mr. Loughlin) was rather quicker than I was—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.4", "colnum": "574", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bevins", "preceding_text": "had every intention, as the hon. Member knows, of rising in my place at the outset of this debate when—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—the hon. Member for Gloucestershire, West (Mr. Loughlin) was rather quicker than I was—[HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"]—but I think it may help both sides of the House if I say what I intended to say at an earlier stage. Perhaps I may at this point move, That the Licence and Agreement—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.8", "colnum": "574", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Loughlin", "preceding_text": "I gave way to the Minister because I thought the Minister was going to give some clarification to this House. Now he charges me with having superseded him in this debate. Mr. Speaker was in the Chair, and if the Minister says that he is making a criticism of Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.574.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.580.2", "colnum": "580", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Adjourn.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Lewis", "preceding_text": "ing whether the passage which my hon. Friend was quoting mentioned television, because I wanted to speak about television when taking part in the debate. I am not sure whether television is mentioned and hence I do not know whether I would be in order in referring to it. With great respect, therefore, I ask you seriously to consider accepting a Motion to report Progress and ask leave to sit again.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.580.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.584.1", "colnum": "584", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "I did not make myself plain. The point is not the re-laying but that copies should be available for the use of the House in the course of a debate which is to discuss the process of amending. That is the point I had in mind. I do not know whether the Minister desires to speak about that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.584.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-29", "file": "debates1961-11-29a.xml", "sha256": "c8c99773bd2f890a", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.584.3", "colnum": "584", "heading": "Orders of the Day — BROADCASTING (B.B.C. LICENCE AND AGREEMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Stewart", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-29a.584.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-11-30", "file": "debates1961-11-30a.xml", "sha256": "f0634e6de79358f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.604.5", "colnum": "604", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Sir D. Eccles", "preceding_text": "In numbers of schoolchildren 21 per cent. for England and Wales, 64 per cent. for Berkshire. In expenditure on school building, 60 per cent. for England and Wales, 526 per cent. for Berkshire.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.604.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-30", "file": "debates1961-11-30a.xml", "sha256": "f0634e6de79358f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.609.0", "colnum": "609", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EDUCATION", "cue_speaker": "Dr. King", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. King", "preceding_text": "0, that it asked the Minister to give permission to buy the land, that permission was not forthcoming, and that it has now had to buy the same land at a cost not of £7,500 but £75,000, and even that is below the market value of £100,000? Does he not think that his Ministry, which has a moral responsibility for inflicting an extra £67,000 on the ratepayers, should bear some of the financial burden?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.609.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-11-30", "file": "debates1961-11-30a.xml", "sha256": "f0634e6de79358f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.693.1", "colnum": "693", "heading": "Orders of the Day — PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE (REPORTS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It does.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gresham Cooke", "preceding_text": "not see the logic of omitting the charge on the domestic flyer. Why should the domestic flyer be subsidised to that extent? He has the use of the extensive central area and the radar and the navigation facilities all over the country. To ask that he should be freed of this charge is like asking the State to take over the signal- box at King's Cross and free the passenger of the cost of running it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-11-30a.693.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.913.3", "colnum": "913", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF AVIATION", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McAdden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McAdden", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order. It is within your recollection, Mr. Speaker, that this matter was the subject of a debate a week ago and on that occasion certain damaging statements were made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Dundee, West (Mr. Strachey) which are now the subject of legal questions—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.913.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.933.1", "colnum": "933", "heading": "OFFICIAL REPORT (THURSDAY, 30th NOVEMBER)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hirst", "preceding_text": "Further to that point of order. I do not question your Ruling, Mr. Speaker, and I do not desire to ask the question now.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.933.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.1", "colnum": "934", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. P. Noel-Baker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. P. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "Further to the point raised by my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Rowley Regis and Tipton (Mr. A. Henderson), may I be allowed to put it to the Leader of the House that he should ask the Prime Minister to make a statement about Katanga, in view of Dr. O'Brien's statement, at the earliest possible moment? Is he aware that Dr. O'Brien—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.1", "colnum": "934", "heading": "QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. P. Noel-Baker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. P. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "and learned Friend the Member for Rowley Regis and Tipton (Mr. A. Henderson), may I be allowed to put it to the Leader of the House that he should ask the Prime Minister to make a statement about Katanga, in view of Dr. O'Brien's statement, at the earliest possible moment? Is he aware that Dr. O'Brien—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] I am asking the Leader of the House whether he will ask the Prime Minister—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.4", "colnum": "934", "heading": "CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "I take full responsibility before the House for making these charges. Thirdly, I think that the statement of Dr. O'Brien is relevant, because it has brought the matter to a head, and has made it imperative that the Government, without any delay whatsoever, should make a statement in answer to these charges. I am astonished that the Government should have so low a view of their prestige and honour—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.934.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.940.0", "colnum": "940", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gerald Nabarro", "preceding_text": " Friend that it is not unreasonable today that I should ask him for further information as to the losses which he expects the Coal Boad to make in the passage of the year 1962. May I put my first formal question to my right hon. Friend? I want to avoid his having to write down these questions, so perhaps the Parliamentary Secretary will pass this information to the Minister on this piece of paper.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.938.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.943.3", "colnum": "943", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": " his revenue will be substantially diminished. 4.0 p.m. There are thousands of people today who have been driven, sadly, to the same conclusion and course of action to which I have been driven in the last few weeks. I always used solid fuel in my home—always—as the strongest possible supporter of the Coal Board and through an instinctive love of British solid fuel. I have now switched to fuel oil.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.943.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.948.10", "colnum": "948", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "The Conservative Central Office is subject to the whim and dictate of Her Majesty's Government.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.948.10"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.968.0", "colnum": "968", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. J. Griffiths", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"NO.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. Griffiths", "preceding_text": " not do the same with regard to the coal industry? The answer is, they know that, if they did, no one would \"buy\", because of the position in which the industry was left under private ownership during the twenty-five years in which I had experience of it. The Minister has made an important statement. I believe that the right hon. Gentleman has carried the pay pause further than any other Minister—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.968.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.980.0", "colnum": "980", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Dr. King. Is it not grossly out of order to impute that an hon. Member has a pecuniary gain from an office which he does not hold? Are you not aware that the hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. M. Foot) has just suggested that I am in the pay of the Government, which I am not, and nothing to do with it—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.980.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.987.0", "colnum": "987", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COAL INDUSTRY BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "le that the burden of carrying stocks should be placed on the Coal Board rather than on the nation, which it was helping to serve. These arguments of principle are brushed aside by the Minister. What both the Front and back benchers opposite want to do is to keep a nationalised industry—and the most essential nationalised industry in the country—in a situation of permanent financial subordination.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.987.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-04", "file": "debates1961-12-04a.xml", "sha256": "52a9f84da77069a7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.1062.3", "colnum": "1062", "heading": "Orders of the Day — CIVIL AVIATION (EUROCONTROL) BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cronin", "preceding_text": "I feel some obligation to be as brief as possible on Third Reading.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-04a.1062.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1117.1", "colnum": "1117", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCIENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bence", "preceding_text": "While thanking the hon. Gentleman—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1117.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1144.2", "colnum": "1144", "heading": "CONGO (SITUATION, KATANGA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "Her Majesty's Government's policy in the Congo has been made absolutely plain on a very large number of occasions—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1144.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1176.0", "colnum": "1176", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. R. A. Butler)", "preceding_text": " with which to make his first onslaught on the Bill. The position, frankly, is that U.K. and colonial citizenship is to be exempted and others are to be included. I think that we must get clear what this means. It means that the right hon. Gentleman, having come to the Committee stage of the Bill, immediately concedes that a wide measure of control of immigrants from the Commonwealth is necessary—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1176.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1177.1", "colnum": "1177", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1177.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1177.4", "colnum": "1177", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Give way.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1177.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1178.0", "colnum": "1178", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ade it perfectly clear that we were opposed to the Bill as a whole and, as the right hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well, which Amendment happens to come first depends on the Bill and the accident of the selection of Amendments. The position still remains that we detest the Bill as a whole. But if we have to have the Bill as a whole, as evidently we are, we would rather have it with our Amendment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1177.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1180.7", "colnum": "1180", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "May I congratulate you, Sir, on your discernment and the correct appreciation you have made of my remarks? My reference to wrecking is simply that if we are to get the Bill cut into ribbons here and cut into ribbons there nothing will remain of the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1180.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1183.1", "colnum": "1183", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "ent have reached. I am giving the right hon. Gentleman the decisions, because he asked to have them. The next question which arises is: why was Ireland mentioned in the Bill. It was natural, we thought, to mention the Republic of Ireland in the Bill, for a variety of reasons. The main one was that we genuinely wanted to have the power to control Irish immigration in the case of absolute necessity.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1183.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1185.3", "colnum": "1185", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "rol, and provide that this Bill shall expire in December, 1963, and that it then shall be renewed by the Expiring Laws Continuance Act. We believe that that will give an opportunity for the whole question to be reviewed, not only in the light of developments that may or may not occur in the Irish problem, but also in the light of developments that may or may not occur in the Common Market problem—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1185.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1187.2", "colnum": "1187", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Who?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "No, it is not what I said. If it became obvious that Commonwealth immigrants were able to come through the Irish ports without possibility of control, it might be necessary to reconsider —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1187.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1189.1", "colnum": "1189", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "If a control is imposed at the Irish ports—that is, control by the Government of Southern Ireland of entry into Ireland—such a matter would not arise, and I cannot deal with every hypothetical question. Our general intention is to impose a control on Commonwealth immigrants, and I can only trust to the ingenuity of the immigration officers to deal with any situation that may arise—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1189.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1190.3", "colnum": "1190", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Colour bar.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "I have just explained to the Committee that the Government cannot find a workable or desirable method of controlling the entry of Irish immigrants into this country. The answer to the hon. Member, therefore, is \"Yes.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1190.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1198.0", "colnum": "1198", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "An Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Is that Irish immigrants?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Pannell", "preceding_text": "conditions which are by far the worst in Birmingham. Life in these lodgings in which most of them live is infinitely worse than living in the slums which are being demolished. It is not a matter of colour'. The Times goes on to say: The report shows that rising figures of illegitimacy, venereal disease and tuberculosis were all due, in some measure, to the greater number of immigrants in the city.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1197.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1204.0", "colnum": "1204", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "preceding_text": "I am sure that immigration has brought great problems to Birmingham but I am beginning to hope that I shall not hear about them again for a long time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1204.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1206.2", "colnum": "1206", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member has certainly simplified that. What was then said from the Treasury Bench was that the Government were not then satisfied that such a Measure was inevitable.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1206.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1206.2", "colnum": "1206", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "a high death rate. The birth rate in the West Indies has been about 37 per 1,000 for a long time. In 1930, the death rate was 25 per 1,000, so that there was a relatively small increase rate of about 1·2 per cent.—high compared with Great Britain, but low for tropical people. The problem has arisen because the death rate in the West Indies has fallen from 25 per 1,000 to about 10 per 1,000.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1206.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1208.1", "colnum": "1208", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\" Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "n a way, is why I support the Bill—we have reached a point in world affairs where, over a considerable part of the globe, it is no longer possible to proceed that way round. I will buttress this argument. The rise in population in these parts is so dramatic that it swamps economic development. Therefore, we have to start the other way round—with family limitation, otherwise everything is finished.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1208.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3", "colnum": "1211", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "Pigmentation is a protection against strong sunlight and nobody in his right mind would think that it had anything to do with this problem. But it is a question of the cultural levels of tropical peoples, and that is an inescapable fact. What is the consequence to this country of a large influx of West Indians? If they come in in small numbers, they could be and I think that they are successfully—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3", "colnum": "1211", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "y—[ Interruption. ] I gave way to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Northfield (Mr. Chapman) and I hope that he will now listen. One does not gain by these brawling interruptions. If they come in in small numbers, they can be assimilated into the life of the country. If they come in in tens of thousands, they clot together in communities and preserve the characteristics which they brought with them.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3", "colnum": "1211", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shocking.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": "ll numbers, they can be assimilated into the life of the country. If they come in in tens of thousands, they clot together in communities and preserve the characteristics which they brought with them. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"] It is true. What is the very important characteristic which they bring with them? It is their completely promiscuous method of breeding. Everybody knows that that is true.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1211.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1213.7", "colnum": "1213", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bell", "preceding_text": " that is the normal state of affairs in those islands, but the fate of half-caste children is tragic because nobody wants them. They go into the care of nurseries in this country, and there they grow up as illegitimate half-caste children, knowing no parents and no homes. According to my information, these half-caste children represent four out of ten children in all the nurseries in this country.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1213.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1262.0", "colnum": "1262", "heading": "Orders of the Day — Clause 1.—(APPLICATION OF PART I.)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ronald Bell", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman is very kind, but I thought that I talked too long as it was, and I also made a Second Reading speech. I would be delighted to give the answer, but not in an intervention—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1262.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1295.0", "colnum": "1295", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of State, Home Department (Mr. David Renton)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Home Department (Mr. David Renton)", "preceding_text": "t for them to be dealt with under Clause 1, as envisaged in the first, second and third of the Amendments we are discussing, or dealt with under Clause 2, as the fourth and fifth Amendments envisage, or whether on the other hand they should be dealt with under Clause 2 in the way we have so far intended and have had in mind, namely by instructing immigration officers to admit most of these people.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1295.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1295.0", "colnum": "1295", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Minister of State, Home Department (Mr. David Renton)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Minister of State, Home Department (Mr. David Renton)", "preceding_text": "ike to assure the Committee that we propose to instruct immigration officers to admit freely all those people who have been away from this country for less than one year, whatever the previous length of their stay had been. As to those who have been away for longer than one year, the instructions will cover the case and the immigration officer will have to consider how long the absence has been. —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1295.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.1", "colnum": "1299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "I would like to consider that. If it needs adjustment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.3", "colnum": "1299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Repeat it.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "I know that this point has been considered, but I am not absolutely certain that I heard the hon. Member for Huddersfield, West correctly. It would be a great mistake incautiously—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5", "colnum": "1299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "It depends—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5", "colnum": "1299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"It says 'not being a passport issued'.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "she is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies. If she was born in the United Kingdom, it does not matter where her passport was issued. If she needs a passport and is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, her duty would be to obtain a United Kingdom passport, which she would be able to do not merely in the United Kingdom but, if it was as defined in subsection (3), a passport issued—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5", "colnum": "1299", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": " dependants, because there could easily be rackets run to circumvent the system of labour vouchers by bringing in so-called relatives and dependants. As to people who want to marry, we propose to instruct the immigration officers to allow people in for this purpose when one of the intended spouses is already here, provided that there is evidence that the parties are personally known to each other.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1299.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1318.0", "colnum": "1318", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "It is in the Bill.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "s to be satisfied; where he is satisfied on certain evidence that there is an absolute right. So, there is the absolute right in Clause 1 or 2 and it is only a question of establishing how one is entitled to that right. I hardly conceive it to be possible that one would want to submit wives or children of somebody resident here, who are coming to this country, either to a medical test of any kind—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1317.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1320.1", "colnum": "1320", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "Before I deal with that, perhaps I can put the same question to the Attorney-General. Was he aware that the Home Secretary was contemplating making a statement?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1320.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-05", "file": "debates1961-12-05a.xml", "sha256": "c6cb37182bf6d2f6", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1323.1", "colnum": "1323", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Foot", "preceding_text": "rotect these classes of British citizens we can write these provisions into the Clause quite well. I want to say a few words about one section of the community which is dealt with in the Amendments but which has not been mentioned by any hon. Member. As has been said, the question of bona fide students is covered by the Amendments, and it would be quite improper if that question was not mentioned.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-05a.1323.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1345.1", "colnum": "1345", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Yates", "preceding_text": "If the plans to which the hon. Member for Birmingham, Yardley (Mr. Cleaver) is referring—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1345.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1355.1", "colnum": "1355", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \" Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "It would be a great mistake to try to apportion blame between management and workers.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1355.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1375.0", "colnum": "1375", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "These, of course, are minimum rates—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1375.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1375.8", "colnum": "1375", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "As far as I am concerned, I have given my word.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1375.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1376.3", "colnum": "1376", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "The basic answer is that there has been reduced activity in the London docks. It could be that this might have been partially due to what has happened in the London docks during the last 12 months.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1376.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1387.1", "colnum": "1387", "heading": "CONGO (SITUATION, KATANGA)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "h tension which exists in the Congo. I have made that perfectly plain. But the United Nations force is not there to impose any solution by force, which the right hon. Gentleman mentioned at the beginning of his question as being its purpose. Her Majesty's Government have, in the past few weeks, been using all the influence they could with Mr. Tshombe, as has Sir Roy Welensky, to produce a meeting—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1387.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1408.2", "colnum": "1408", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. John Harvey", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. John Harvey", "preceding_text": "llowed to develop this argument for so long, and there have been so many inaccuracies in what she has been allowed to say, that some of us will be placed in a difficult position if it is now ruled that we cannot talk about it, because it will enable this crop of inaccuracies to get a good deal of publicity without being challenged. I respect very much your Ruling, and in many ways I agree with it—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1408.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1415.1", "colnum": "1415", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Will they? \"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gower", "preceding_text": "I accept that, and such people will continue to come in under this Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1415.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1421.2", "colnum": "1421", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He has left you!\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend is right; there is a tremendous number of places in Birmingham. I will leave the hon. Member for Barry with that thought.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1421.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1421.2", "colnum": "1421", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is coming back.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "My hon. Friend is right; there is a tremendous number of places in Birmingham. I will leave the hon. Member for Barry with that thought. [HON. MEMBERS: \"He has left you!\"] My attention is drawn to the fact that the hon. Member has left me without any thought at all. It is most unusual for an hon. Member to leave in the middle of a reply to his speech.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1421.2"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1455.1", "colnum": "1455", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "The Ayes were 268, the Noes 193, so the Noes have it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1455.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1456.1", "colnum": "1456", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "The next Amendment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1456.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1462.4", "colnum": "1462", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "The alternative to that, of course, is for the Chair to exercise much more drastic action in the selection of Amendments.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1462.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1463.4", "colnum": "1463", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. William Ross", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Yes.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. William Ross", "preceding_text": "May I submit to you, Sir Gordon, that your decision on this matter must surely reflect on the debate we have had. From all my experience in this House, and I admit that there are many hon. Members with more experience, we have never been allowed to discuss on any Amendment another Amendment that has not been selected?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1463.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1469.0", "colnum": "1469", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "Order. The hon. Gentleman is asking me to change my decision about the selection of Amendments.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1469.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1470.7", "colnum": "1470", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jay", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir Gordon. Surely this is an intolerable situation and is really bringing the whole proceedings of this Committee to a farce. First, our attempt to have a serious discussion on the Bill is closured by one of the Whips after an obviously inadequate period for discussion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1470.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1471.2", "colnum": "1471", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "There is no point of order. The next Amendment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1471.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1475.5", "colnum": "1475", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "t, Sir Gordon. I gather that the Leader of the House was allowed to rise to a point of order. May I now put this to you? The right hon. Gentleman was asked to rise as Leader of the House. He spoke as Leader of the House, and not as a Government Minister. You must have heard his remarks. They must have caused you grave perturbation. He said, \"We will uphold the Rulings of the Chair\". At that stage—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1475.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1476.1", "colnum": "1476", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"That is not a point of order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "May I endeavour to make clear to you the point that I am raising, Sir Gordon? On the point of order which the Leader of the House claimed to be making he made a statement as Leader of the House which was completely out of harmony with our traditions—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1476.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1476.1", "colnum": "1476", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brown", "preceding_text": "e now find ourselves in a position in which, for more than an hour, every point that we have raised has been ruled out by the Chair without any reason being given; the Leader of the House now tells us that in no circumstances will he do other than support the Chair. I ask you what are our rights, short of doing things that we would not want to do, in a free Committee—and this is not the Reichstag—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1476.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1485.1", "colnum": "1485", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Sir Robert Grimston", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Robert Grimston", "preceding_text": "I am rather jealous of the dignity of the House. Of course, it is open to the Opposition to make all that they can of this incident, but I think there is something in it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1485.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1487.3", "colnum": "1487", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Move the Motion.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "say that if the Leader of the House were prepared to move the Motion, you would accept it and allow him to develop it. I had not moved the Motion. I have said once or twice that I should like to do so, but that is different. I have not been allowed to do it. If the Leader of the House could do it and it would be in order, surely what I am trying to do, which is exactly the same thing, is in order.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1487.2"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1489.1", "colnum": "1489", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"A General Election.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Motion which my right hon. Friend the Member for Smethwick moved. If my right hon. Friend is right in his submission that the Committee is not, in fact, in session at all, by reason of what was wrongly done before, there can be no Motion in front of it, and we have not resolved the dilemma to which the hon. Baronet drew our attention. It seems to me that there is an easier way out of that dilemma.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1489.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1490.0", "colnum": "1490", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "I am not concerned with the submissions that have been made to you, Sir Gordon, because they are secondary to the fundamental issue which caused this conflict between the Chair and the Committee. Therefore, I support the Motion which my right hon. Friend the Member for Smethwick (Mr. Gordon Walker) has moved, and I want to ask you, Sir Gordon, if you will be good enough to raise with Mr. Speaker—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1490.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1490.0", "colnum": "1490", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Ellis Smith", "preceding_text": "that the Chair has had the right to select Amendments and that we are not entitled to challenge the decision because the Chair has all the advice that the Table gives it. In the Committee we loyally accepted that position and there was no quibbling worth talking about. When the Chair ruled several of my hon. Friends out of order, they immediately accepted that and proceeded to make their speeches.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1490.0"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1491.2", "colnum": "1491", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "e right atmosphere. We should all regret it if this sitting ended in anything like what the hon. Member for Barking (Mr. Driberg) and other hon. Members referred to as grave disorder. I do not myself, in my sense of the situation, see that there is grave disorder about, but I think there is a feeling on the part of the Opposition that they are not at all sorry that a little time has been taken up.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1491.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1491.2", "colnum": "1491", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": " disorder about, but I think there is a feeling on the part of the Opposition that they are not at all sorry that a little time has been taken up. [ Interruption. ] But they are also worried about the constitutional issue which is before us. I suggest that the right hon. Member for Smethwick should be good enough to withdraw his Motion on the understanding that Mr. Speaker gives a Ruling tomorrow—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1491.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1494.0", "colnum": "1494", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"0h.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Tapsell", "preceding_text": "son and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman) has openly boasted that all our present troubles derive horn the fact that the Closure was moved earlier. Having sat here throughout these proceedings, I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I have been in the House for only a short time, but I understand that the Closure is one of our recognised procedures. Is it not a disgraceful reflection on Her Majesty's Opposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1494.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1496.1", "colnum": "1496", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Delargy", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Delargy", "preceding_text": "I am puzzled, as I am sure are many hon. Members, by the behaviour of the Leader of the House—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1496.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-06", "file": "debates1961-12-06a.xml", "sha256": "5ff3d8a65037a916", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1498.1", "colnum": "1498", "heading": "Orders of the Day — COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. A. Butler", "preceding_text": "cknowledged exactly the position in which we find ourselves about this constitutional dubiety, but I must say that it is the Government's intention to get this important Bill. The right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition has referred to the point. I cannot accept that it is the Government's fault that we have not made greater progress. The fault does not lie on this side of the Committee.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-06a.1498.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1504.7", "colnum": "1504", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — JAMAICA", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. M. Thomson", "preceding_text": "Is the Under-Secretary aware that the Government's Commonwealth Immigrants Bill will greatly aggravate the problem of unemployment in Jamaica? Will the Government do something about increasing economic aid to compensate in some measure for the effect of the Bill?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1504.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1536.5", "colnum": "1536", "heading": "COMMITTEE OF 100 (DEMONSTRATIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "Yes, and I do not think that anyone has been prevented from taking legal advice.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1536.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.0", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman recollect that he promised me last Thursday a debate on the Toothill Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.0", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"More silent than the hon. Member.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "Does the right hon. Gentleman recollect that he promised me last Thursday a debate on the Toothill Report. [ Laughter. ] English Members should know that the \"h\" is often silent.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "preceding_text": "lors on both sides of the House, there is very little time left? Does the right hon. Gentleman consider that a debate next Thursday ranging over the whole of foreign affairs in one day is entirely satisfactory and Gives hon. Members on the back benches an adequate opportunity to voice their opinions? If we cannot have adequate time to take part in major discussions in the House, outside Committee—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Too long.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "preceding_text": "t? Does the right hon. Gentleman consider that a debate next Thursday ranging over the whole of foreign affairs in one day is entirely satisfactory and Gives hon. Members on the back benches an adequate opportunity to voice their opinions? If we cannot have adequate time to take part in major discussions in the House, outside Committee—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]. I have been in the House sixteen years—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2", "colnum": "1541", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"The hon. Member left.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. V. Yates", "preceding_text": "bate next Thursday ranging over the whole of foreign affairs in one day is entirely satisfactory and Gives hon. Members on the back benches an adequate opportunity to voice their opinions? If we cannot have adequate time to take part in major discussions in the House, outside Committee—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]. I have been in the House sixteen years—[An HON. MEMBER: \"Too long.\"]—and it is about time—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1541.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1545.0", "colnum": "1545", "heading": "SUSPENSION OF SITTING (POSITION OF MACE)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "While expressing the gratitude of the whole House for the way in which you have dealt with this problem in the short time available to you, Mr. Speaker, may I perhaps presume upon your remark, that you have not, understandably, had a lot of time, to offer a few considerations which I am sure that many of us would like you to take further into account.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1545.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1592.3", "colnum": "1592", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "I do not want to say this discourteously but it seems at the moment that not only is what the hon. Member for Stroud (Mr. Kershaw) saying not in the Amendment but it is not in the Bill. The Secretary of State has never suggested—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1592.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1594.2", "colnum": "1594", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Kershaw", "preceding_text": "It is not a question of suiting my convenience but of whether we are to allow the Army to be moved about flexibly and in sufficient strength to meet the different needs which arise in the future at different times. The criticism that we are giving the Secretary of State a blank cheque is not a criticism at all. That is exactly what he needs—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1594.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1619.3", "colnum": "1619", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"As did the Minister.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Temporary Chairman", "preceding_text": "I do not want to restrict the hon. Member too much. It is true that some hon. Members have made certain digressions into the subject of conscription—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1619.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1659.0", "colnum": "1659", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Winterbottom", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Winterbottom", "preceding_text": " for War has made it clear that he intends to extend the period of those now undergoing National Service. He has been so nebulous about those in the \"Ever-ready\" brigade under Clause 3 that one becomes suspicious whether they will ever be called at all. The Secretary of State said he would promise the House that he would call those under Clause 2 before those whom we call the \"Ever-ready\" brigade.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1659.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1682.1", "colnum": "1682", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Did not matter.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "preceding_text": "Is the hon. Member saying it is all right to welsh on commitments if they are made to allies? He actually said that our undertaking to hold troops in Germany is a promise which is Out of date—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1682.1"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-07", "file": "debates1961-12-07a.xml", "sha256": "bae75581d327a696", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1688.4", "colnum": "1688", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. G. Brown", "preceding_text": "rely asked what the Government were hoping to get tonight. If the right hon. Gentleman sees any shadows on our faces, I assure him that it is just the reflection of the faces opposite. We intend completely to do our duty to our constituents. If the right hon. Gentleman says that he will be content to call it a day when we have got the next two groups of Amendments, which would take us to Clause 4—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-07a.1688.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-08", "file": "debates1961-12-08a.xml", "sha256": "6922feece87691ac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1747.0", "colnum": "1747", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HIRE-PURCHASE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Clark", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shops.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Clark", "preceding_text": "That sounds very attractive, but let us assume there is a doorstep salesman in Nottingham and that the finance house happens to be in London.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1747.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-08", "file": "debates1961-12-08a.xml", "sha256": "6922feece87691ac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1784.1", "colnum": "1784", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HIRE-PURCHASE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. George Darling", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. George Darling", "preceding_text": "I am sure that many hon. Members, not only on this side of the House but on the benches opposite, will think that the Parliamentary Secretary's speech was very disappointing.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1784.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-08", "file": "debates1961-12-08a.xml", "sha256": "6922feece87691ac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1809.1", "colnum": "1809", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HIRE-PURCHASE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Stephen McAdden", "cue_text": "HON. MEMERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stephen McAdden", "preceding_text": "I am most grateful—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1809.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-08", "file": "debates1961-12-08a.xml", "sha256": "6922feece87691ac", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1809.2", "colnum": "1809", "heading": "Orders of the Day — HIRE-PURCHASE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Shame.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stephen McAdden", "preceding_text": "ERS: \"Shame.\"] I have been here for practically the whole of the debate and have listened with great interest to what has been said. Most of the arguments which have been advanced, those alleging support of the Bill and those definitely against it, all come to the same conclusion, namely, that the Bill has been very badly drafted. That seems to be the general impression on both sides of the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-08a.1809.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.19.8", "colnum": "19", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "I do not like dictators. I like democratic Ministers—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.19.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.19.9", "colnum": "19", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "I do not like dictators. I like democratic Ministers— [ Interruption. ]—I am not feeling that way at all.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.19.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.23.5", "colnum": "23", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF HEALTH", "cue_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer the question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Miss Pitt", "preceding_text": "There is a shortage of radiographers, but it is a diminishing problem. The number of radiographers who qualified in 1960 was 436 compared with 359 in 1959—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.23.5"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.32.7", "colnum": "32", "heading": "CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Lord Privy Seal (Mr. Edward Heath)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Lord Privy Seal (Mr. Edward Heath)", "preceding_text": "d has become more intense since I answered a Question in the House last Wednesday. The United Nations forces are still being attacked at their headquarters in Elisabethville, at the airport and on the road joining them. The United Nations forces have attacked the Katangan gendarmerie camp, and it appears to have been in the course of this that a number of mortar bombs fell in or near the hospital.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.32.7"}
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{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.66.1", "colnum": "66", "heading": "CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. McLeavy", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. McLeavy", "preceding_text": "I have never disputed that the Jack Committee was far from being unanimous, but the point is that if my advice had been accepted by the then Minister of Transport there would have been no Jack Committee. The Minister had at his disposal all the necessary evidence on which a remedy could have been based. In conclusion—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.66.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.82.1", "colnum": "82", "heading": "CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Cledwyn Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Cledwyn Hughes", "preceding_text": "I am extremely sorry that so many hon. Members on both sides of the House who wish to take part in the debate are unable to do so owing to lack of time. This is in part due to the fact that there was a long statement after Questions today. It is high time that the rules of the House were changed so that if time is taken at the beginning of the debate, it is added at the end of the debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.82.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-11", "file": "debates1961-12-11a.xml", "sha256": "b7ea559987c41261", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.86.0", "colnum": "86", "heading": "CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "cue_text": "Laughter .", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Davies", "preceding_text": "And canals.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-11a.86.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.2", "colnum": "198", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LOCAL GOVERNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": "I think that is quite an unworthy insinuation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.3", "colnum": "198", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LOCAL GOVERNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Dr. Hill", "preceding_text": " mentioning the fact that the chairman was a director of the company concerned there is contained an insinuation. That fact was plainly stated to the council. It was known to my right hon. Friend the then Minister of Housing and Local Government. There has been no concealment of any kind. This application has been dealt with on the usual lines without any exceptions being made to general practice.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.5", "colnum": "198", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — LOCAL GOVERNMENT", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bourne-Arton", "preceding_text": "e further aware that while the present chairman of the county council was never chairman of the planning committee and is not a friend of mine, and indeed is a political opponent and has been my opponent in many local battles, nevertheless during the twelve years I have worked with him and against him on the county council I have detected not the slightest impropriety in any of his public conduct?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.198.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.205.2", "colnum": "205", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Allaun", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Allaun", "preceding_text": "uffer a lower subidy? They will enjoy £8 a year instead of £22 a year subsidy. Secondly, is the Minister aware that these restricted programmes plus increased council house rents are causing widespread discontent with local authorities for which the Government are entirely responsible owing to their increased charges? Many of these councils are Labour-controlled and the Government are making them—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.205.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.207.1", "colnum": "207", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "I am glad to hear that reply, because I gather from it that the right hon. Gentleman realises that it has really been a scandal—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.207.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.207.1", "colnum": "207", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — HOUSING", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": "I am glad to hear that reply, because I gather from it that the right hon. Gentleman realises that it has really been a scandal—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Question.\"] I ask the Minister whether I am right in understanding him to agree that it really is a scandal that, despite the acute shortage of houses in London a site of 20 acres—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.207.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.0", "colnum": "214", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PRESIDENT KENNEDY (MEETING)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "l not the Prime Minister have the courage to admit that the United States approach may be more correct than ours, as it was at the time of Suez? Does he not understand that it is absolutely vital to the survival of United Nations that we should implement its decisions and help its officials to carry out these decisions even though we think the decisions may be wrong and the officials may be wrong—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.3", "colnum": "214", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PRESIDENT KENNEDY (MEETING)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. I was talking of the large questions of policy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.3", "colnum": "214", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — PRESIDENT KENNEDY (MEETING)", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. I was talking of the large questions of policy. [ Interruption. ] I am quite ready to debate that when the time comes. The United States has felt broadly as we have done—that this matter should be settled not by the United Nations forces seizing and conquering a territory and handing it over to anybody else—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.214.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.233.8", "colnum": "233", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Separately.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Sydney Silverman", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Sir Gordon. To avoid the repetition of a certain amount of confusion which arose when we were last in Committee on the Bill, may I ask you this? You have said that these Amendments are to be discussed together.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.233.8"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.251.0", "colnum": "251", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General (Sir Reginald Manningham-Buller)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General (Sir Reginald Manningham-Buller)", "preceding_text": "mendment is to exclude the operation of the Bill in relation to the Southern Irish. To the Amendment there could, and should, be only one answer. If we are to take power to control Commonwealth immigration, it would be quite wrong not to take power to control immigration from Southern Ireland. To omit them from the purview of Part I of the Bill would indeed be to put them in a privileged position.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.251.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.252.1", "colnum": "252", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "That is the only question raised by the Amendment. I ask the Committee to reject the Amendment and to retain the power to control the immigration of the Southern Irish in the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.252.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.252.1", "colnum": "252", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "nglish ports, and other ports of entry, such as Holyhead, of passengers coming direct from Southern Ireland without very great difficulty. But it is no use doing that and at the same time leaving the door wide open to evasion. One would have to control the border between the Republic and Ulster and that would be a very expensive and difficult operation and not likely to be 100 per cent. effective.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.252.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.256.1", "colnum": "256", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "nce, if need be, around the whole of Great Britain; we can erect a fence round the whole of Ulster. The point I was making, which, I hope, the hon. and learned Member will appreciate, is that there is no need for a fence in relation to immigration from Irish parts into English ports to prevent Commonwealth immigration to this country if the Irish enact legislation which is broadly similar to ours.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.256.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.256.1", "colnum": "256", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "ion to immigration from Irish parts into English ports to prevent Commonwealth immigration to this country if the Irish enact legislation which is broadly similar to ours. [ Interruption. ] May I continue? I ask the referee—the hon. Member for Birmingham, Small Heath (Mr. Denis Howell)—to keep quiet for a minute. If that happens, if the Irish enact that legislation, the problem comes down to this—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.256.1"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.1", "colnum": "259", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Not to anybody on your own side.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "I have given way a great deal.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.2", "colnum": "259", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "t, however, help in the proper assessment of the Southern Irish position. I understand that more information can be secured through the Ministry of National Insurance and the National Assistance Board and that it may be possible through those sources to build up a complete picture in relation to Southern Irish immigration. This will provide further statistical information, but it is not a control.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.2", "colnum": "259", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "d following the date of his arrival without the permission of the Ministry of Labour would be guilty of an offence. The object of the Bill is not to prevent people working in this country, but to control their coming here in excessive numbers. It would be very Irish to impose a control on Southern Irishmen coming here and taking jobs while they would be free to come and stay here while unemployed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.259.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.260.1", "colnum": "260", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": " is not acceptable. 5.30 p.m. As I want to show that we have considered possible alternatives, I should like to continue to deal with that possibility. If that provision were inserted in the Bill, we should have to provide for the case where the Irishman was refused permission to work. One could not keep him here indefinitely on National Assistance while making it a criminal offence to employ him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.260.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.260.1", "colnum": "260", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "ks in relation to the adoption of any scheme of that sort, for the reason that, although we could define the offence quite clearly in the Bill, the difficulty of proving the commission of that offence by a Southern Irishman would be very great. We should have to put the onus of proof on the accused to show that he did not come from the Republic, otherwise we would not be able to prove that he had.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.260.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.267.1", "colnum": "267", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nor Northern Ireland.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "ore sharply attacked by almost every reputable newspaper and organ of opinion in the country. I cannot believe that even under threats the Government of the Republic of Ireland could bring itself to pass legislation of this kind which had been so bitterly attacked. I cannot believe that the Government of the Republic of Ireland would put itself in the same gallery as right hon. Gentlemen opposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.267.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.298.2", "colnum": "298", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hughes", "preceding_text": "a Bill, not to ban immigration, but merely to control it. He did not go so far as to say what \"control\" meant. He did not deal with the constitutional question that I put to him, which is my main objection to his speech. He took refuge, if it is possible so to do, in a fence. It seemed to me that he was sitting on part of the fence about which he was speaking He talked about a four-cornered fence—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.298.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.324.1", "colnum": "324", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Arthur Lewis", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Arthur Lewis", "preceding_text": "That is Irish.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.324.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.328.1", "colnum": "328", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "mic circumstances, which might make it necessary, however undesirable, and I stress that, to impose this control. The second reason is that, in the event of the purpose of the Bill being undermined by the entry of Commonwealth immigrants through the Western ports, we should, willy-nilly, and whether we like it or not, have to impose some control, however impossible and, however undesirable it was.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.328.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.328.1", "colnum": "328", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about black-mail.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Butler", "preceding_text": "h immigrants through the Western ports, we should, willy-nilly, and whether we like it or not, have to impose some control, however impossible and, however undesirable it was. [ Laughter. ] I have to face that, because we are engaged in an Irish debate. It would simply have to be done in the event of the Bill being undermined by Commonwealth migrants coming through the Irish ports without control.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.328.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.336.0", "colnum": "336", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Chataway", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Chataway", "preceding_text": " it is not just simply a question of appearances. There is a point of substance here. Immigrant unskilled labour in this country comes from two main sources, the West Indies and Ireland. To control one set and leave the other entirely free must be to set the West Indians at a disadvantage. Therefore, although one knows that there is no intention to include any degree of colour bar in this Measure—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.336.0"}
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{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.354.8", "colnum": "354", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Major Sir William Anstruther-Gray)", "preceding_text": "There is no question of the Government spokesman missing the boat. The onus is on the Chairman to vacate the Chair of the Committee and proceed to the Chair of the House at ten o'clock. I believe that I did so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.354.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.361.2", "colnum": "361", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Diamond", "preceding_text": "is is the Amendment which is being selected for debate, and possibly for voting upon, and that the other Amendment, as a matter of convenience, may be discussed at the same time. I should perhaps first explain the effect of the Amendment. It is to leave out the words \"British protected persons\" from subsection (4). It has the effect of omitting them from the immigration control powers of the Bill.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.361.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.366.1", "colnum": "366", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS:\"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "I think I could get such figures, but I have not got them handy at the present moment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.366.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.367.2", "colnum": "367", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Renton", "preceding_text": "We are talking not of the Bill as a whole, not of the 600 million British subjects throughout the world as a whole. We are speaking of 14 million. I have conceded that only a small proportion of those have so far come to this country. In this subject, I quite agree, illogicalities arise, as we know perfectly well from the last debate.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.367.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.392.1", "colnum": "392", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HoN. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman has repeated what he said in his speech but he has not quoted or been able to cite one single treaty in support of his argument.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.392.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.394.3", "colnum": "394", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "ch confers rights which we think may have been conferred on these people. Has he himself examined any of these treaties and satisfied himself about that? After all, he is the legal adviser of the House of Commons as well as of the Government. If he has not, will he do so and let us know the results? Secondly, would he answer the clear and simple question—were any of the Paramount Chiefs consulted?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.394.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.399.3", "colnum": "399", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Is there any reason why the Minister of State should be so discourteous as not to tell us whether he has the figures? Is there a reason for withholding from the Committee not necessarily what the figures are, but even the bare point whether he knows them? Is there any reason why he should not tell us?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.399.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.399.6", "colnum": "399", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Attorney-General", "preceding_text": "If the hon. Member interrupts me I will sit down again and not answer.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.399.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.400.0", "colnum": "400", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "ney-General that I heard him say that the first time. It may be his view that these figures are not relevant to the argument. He is entitled to that view. He has expressed it three times. But it is not everybody's view. To some of us the figures are very relevant. I ask again, whether he thinks them relevant or not, and whether he thinks them conclusive or inconclusive, does he know what they are?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.399.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-12", "file": "debates1961-12-12a.xml", "sha256": "617571d999a934bf", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.400.3", "colnum": "400", "heading": "COMMONWEALTH IMMIGRANTS BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Answer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "Now that my hon. Friend has provided an authority or a source from which the Minister of State or the Attorney-General—provided that they can still read—are able to derive the information that we would like, can either of them say whether those figures are correct?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-12a.400.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4", "colnum": "428", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "preceding_text": "PORT, 18th October, 1961; Vol. 646, c. 227.] Is he further aware that under C.E.N.T.O. and S.E.A.T.O., we are pledged to go to the assistance of Governments when they declare that a popular rising in their territory constitutes internal subversion against which they need help to defend themselves? Finally, is the Minister not aware that these policies of armed intervention in the internal affairs—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4", "colnum": "428", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "preceding_text": " popular rising in their territory constitutes internal subversion against which they need help to defend themselves? Finally, is the Minister not aware that these policies of armed intervention in the internal affairs—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"]—of other countries constitute a violation of the United Nations Charter by aggression and could provoke a world war? Will the right hon. Gentleman explain—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4", "colnum": "428", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF DEFENCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Zilliacus", "preceding_text": "lp to defend themselves? Finally, is the Minister not aware that these policies of armed intervention in the internal affairs—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"]—of other countries constitute a violation of the United Nations Charter by aggression and could provoke a world war? Will the right hon. Gentleman explain—[ Interruption. ]—why the taxpayer should spend £1,700 million a year for this kind of thing—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.428.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.432.0", "colnum": "432", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Orr-Ewing", "preceding_text": "That is why, in my first supplementary answer, I quoted the fact that we have accepted the award and have only taken powers to delay its implementation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.432.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.432.7", "colnum": "432", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "Very well, Mr. Speaker, may I raise a point of order? I was not intending to do so, but I should now like to raise one. I put—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.432.7"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.436.7", "colnum": "436", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Why not?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Burden", "preceding_text": "Is my hon. Friend aware that the biggest and possibly the most painful rocket from this incident is the reprimand which has been levelled at the officer concerned who, no doubt, will have to pay from his own pocket, and so would he give an undertaking that the result of this exuberance will not be shown on his records?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.436.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.440.1", "colnum": "440", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — ROYAL NAVY", "cue_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir L. Plummer", "preceding_text": "May I ask the Civil Lord this? Is it not true that normally this country carries on exercises with allies and not with people who are enemies of this country—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.440.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.448.4", "colnum": "448", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — BRITISH ARMY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Answer.", "preceding_speaker": "Dame Irene Ward", "preceding_text": "ised that everybody should share in the country's prosperity? Is my right hon. Friend aware that this is a pledge on the part of this Government and has nothing to do with successive Governments? When shall we have an implementation of this pledge? When we have it, will the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that he can leave it to the House of Commons to see that other people get their fair share?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.448.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.512.0", "colnum": "512", "heading": "Orders of the Day — FAMILY ALLOWANCES AND NATIONAL INSURANCE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Houghton", "preceding_text": "If I speak briefly I hope the House will understand that my hon. Friends have a very important meeting upstairs at seven o clock. I am most anxious that we should bring our discussion on this new Clause to an end before that time.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.512.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-13", "file": "debates1961-12-13a.xml", "sha256": "6e8d419ff9f1c931", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.585.2", "colnum": "585", "heading": "ELECTRICITY INDUSTRY (BORROWING POWERS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Why should he?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Nabarro", "preceding_text": "nt so long as the maximum efficiency is being derived from the huge sums invested in the industry. I am not sure that that is so today, and this is not only a criticism of the nationalised electricity industry but also of the industry from which it draws most of its fuel supplies. Would my right hon. Friend turn to paragraph 82 of the last Annual Report of the Central Electricity Generating Board?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-13a.585.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.605.2", "colnum": "605", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peart", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Gentleman's long reply confirms that we should have had it as a statement. Is he aware that he has admitted that his Department made a serious miscalculation? That is how this has been accepted.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.605.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.605.3", "colnum": "605", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "It is not true that nobody has gained from this except the distributors.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.605.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.607.2", "colnum": "607", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "cue_text": "Hon. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Soames", "preceding_text": "The hon. Gentleman will realise that this is inevitably a somewhat speculative figure.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.607.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.626.0", "colnum": "626", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — UNITED NATIONS (THE CONGO)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman will not comment on that letter, would he care to comment on the public statement made by the Ministry of External Affairs official in Delhi saying that they were not at all surprised at the reasons given by Dr. O'Brien for his resignation, because they have had—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.626.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.626.1", "colnum": "626", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — UNITED NATIONS (THE CONGO)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Order.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Dugdale", "preceding_text": "If the right hon. Gentleman will not comment on that letter, would he care to comment on the public statement made by the Ministry of External Affairs official in Delhi saying that they were not at all surprised at the reasons given by Dr. O'Brien for his resignation, because they have had—[ Interruption. ]", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.626.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.627.1", "colnum": "627", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — FEDERAL PRIME MINISTER OF THE WEST INDIES (DISCUSSIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "cue_text": "interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Healey", "preceding_text": "Would the right hon. Gentleman answer the first part of the supplementary question. Does he still maintain—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.627.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1", "colnum": "641", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What is that?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "ur obligations. Very early on in the operation we received a request, which I do not think has been made public before, to train cadets or members of the A.N.C., which then badly needed retraining, in order to restore discipline. We undertook to do this, but shortly afterwards the request was countermandad by the United Nations forces. We were pre- pared to help in retraining members of the A.N.C.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1", "colnum": "641", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Suez.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "ich were given, with very great reluctance we agreed. I do not think that there can be anybody in the House who would think that Her Majesty's Government approached a problem like this without the greatest reluctance. We know what weapons of this kind mean, and the idea of using them in the heart of Africa in these circumstances must be abhorrent to every hon. Member if it can possibly be avoided.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1", "colnum": "641", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Suez.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "on non-military objectives, such as power stations, mines, dams, hospitals and private houses, have been reported, although some of these have not been confirmed. There has been some loss of civilian life in addition to military casualties. It was the spread of fighting in that Way, with reports that civilian objectives were being hit and civilians killed, which aroused further doubts in our mind.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.641.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.648.1", "colnum": "648", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "On Sunday, part appeared in the Swedish Press which I did not see.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.648.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.649.1", "colnum": "649", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "Because we received the first part before the weekend and the second part in the Swedish Press was not actually a denial.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.649.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.651.1", "colnum": "651", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Does the right hon. Gentleman?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Harold Wilson", "preceding_text": "me Minister always wanted to lead a group in the world. He is leading one now. That is what he became Prime Minister to achieve. The fact that hardly a single member of the United Nations takes this proposal from the Lord Privy Seal seriously is sufficient comment on the remarks he threw across the Floor of the House about whether this side wanted to see a genuine end to the fighting in the Congo.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.651.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.653.1", "colnum": "653", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": " Minister, we have twice stood alone. Five years ago, over Suez, we earned the world's ostracism. Today, we merely earn the world's contempt. Even the B.B.C., which is not the most impartial purveyor of news where Her Majesty's Government are concerned, this morning had to admit that our representatives in the United Nations were being cut and snubbed by their fellow members in the United Nations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.653.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.659.0", "colnum": "659", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Copper bottom.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "I am sure that it is a highly convenient—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.659.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.659.0", "colnum": "659", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He has not\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "ns. They believe it to be essential for the future of the world that the authority of this organisation should be sustained, and that it should be enabled to carry out the tasks assigned to it under its Charter. Did the Prime Minister believe those words when they were composed? Why has he been acting in complete defiance of them during the six weeks since the new Session of Parliament was opened?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.659.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.664.2", "colnum": "664", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Why?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Heath", "preceding_text": "I have already said today that when I answered, in closing, the Leader of the Opposition, I had not seen any repudiation of the statement. I had not seen Sunday's report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.664.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.666.1", "colnum": "666", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Stick to finance\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "ks ago. First, the Government must show that they are determined to govern and repudiate the doctrines and pressures of the Katanga lobby below the Gangway and behind them. The House is familiar with the old \"Suez Group\". We know that only the slightest stimulus is needed to bring out in them their old built-in atavistic reflexes—Suez, Cyprus, Kenya, Nyasaland, Northern Rhodesia and now the Congo.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.666.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.666.1", "colnum": "666", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"He is not listening.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wilson", "preceding_text": "who voted for that Bill only six years ago, that Nigerian armed forces, forces of the Queen, are operating with the United Nations and it was then suggested that anyone who gave aid and comfort to those enemies was committing treason. I should also mention that in the Lobby—and it is not usual for Ministers to vote for a Ten-Minute Bill—was the then Minister of Defence, the present Prime Minister.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.666.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.675.1", "colnum": "675", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Turton", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Turton", "preceding_text": "Foreign Affairs will bring this to their notice—that we have certain doubts about the debate and that we were not satisfied with the Motion tabled by the Government. In my experience of the House I have never known a time when, if a substantial body of hon. Members of the Government party put down a Motion, only one Joint Under-Secretary and one Assistant Whip were present to listen to the debate—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.675.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.677.1", "colnum": "677", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Turton", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS \"Suez.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Turton", "preceding_text": "Is it so wrong to try to stop women and children being butchered?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.677.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.684.1", "colnum": "684", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Smithers", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Smithers", "preceding_text": "The right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr. Grimond) will forgive me if I do not follow him in detail. I want to revert to the speech of the right hon. Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson), with which the debate was opened.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.684.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.684.1", "colnum": "684", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Peter Smithers", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Peter Smithers", "preceding_text": "ember for Huyton saying that the British are unpopular because of what they are doing, and that they are being snubbed in the United Nations. I do not know whether or not that is true. But the right hon. Gentleman puts about the kind of rumour which is most likely to contribute to this state of affairs. I find the change on the Front Bench since I left the House in July not at all a promising one.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.684.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.705.4", "colnum": "705", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Nonsense.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "The hon. Member is well aware that the B.B.C. on that occasion and on many occasions since was misled by the Katanga Radio and other reports put out by \"Voice and Vision\" and interested parties who have excellent access to B.B.C. and I.T.V. television.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.705.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.706.0", "colnum": "706", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Sir R. Grimston", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"And we could be right again.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir R. Grimston", "preceding_text": "at the United Nations wishes to destroy Katanga. That is why, evidently, according to Press reports, we shall see a rather heavy effort to do that in the next day or two. There is another aspect of this situation. In their demand for a cease-fire it is said that Her Majesty's Government may be isolated, but if we are in isolation it is an honourable isolation, just as honourable as it was in 1940.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.706.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.713.1", "colnum": "713", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Colonel Sir Tufton Beamish", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Colonel Sir Tufton Beamish", "preceding_text": "x00F4;le that we all want the United Nations to perform. It is a great mistake to try to over-simplify the problem of the mercenaries, and it is true to say that excellent progress was being made last summer, in which the British Government played an important part. To what the hon. Member for Wednesbury said about the removal of foreign mercenaries from Mr. Tshombe's gendarmerie and police force—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.713.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.727.1", "colnum": "727", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "rate with the provincial police forces in carrying out its mission, he is engaged in a complete contradiction. Its duty, and its only possible duty under the Charter, is to co-operate with the forces of the central Government maintaining and restoring internal order. The right hon. Gentleman said that one of the purposes for which the United Nations went there was to play its part in the cold war.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.727.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1", "colnum": "736", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "not so. All that has been reported is, no official statement, but indications of support from some members of N.A.T.O. I am not surprised. I would think it perfectly natural that Portugal would support the British Government. I would not be surprised if Belgium did. I would not be surprised if France did. What has happened is that a group of ex-colonial Powers have supported the British Government", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1", "colnum": "736", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ention to the statement made by Mr. George Ball, in Washington, as to the United States attitude. This seems to me a perfectly reasonable attitude to adopt. The United States said she was in favour of a cease-fire provided that the limited objectives of the United Nations had been achieved. Mr. Ball went on to make plain that those limited objectives were the security of the United Nations forces.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1", "colnum": "736", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Order.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": " the view of the Government that a settlement should not be imposed, then why is the United Nations force there? I know that it has been suggested that United Nations officials have talked in these terms. As far as I am aware, every single one of these suggestions has been repudiated. The Government say that they support the unity of the Congo and oppose the secession of Katanga under Mr. Tshombe.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.736.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3", "colnum": "743", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ations action in September. The facts are in dispute, but I will not weary the House with that, because we have discussed it before. What are the latest facts which are available? The ceasefire, negotiated after the regrettable, the deplorable death of Mr. Hammarskjold was broken. Why was it broken? Who broke it? The Lord Privy Seal mentioned four events: First, Mr. Tshombe's provocative speeches—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3", "colnum": "743", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "ng the stealthy blocking of its most vital lines of communication under cover of a fog of assurances, generously but mistily emitted by Mr. Tshombe's representatives … If that is the case—and I do not think that the Lord Privy Seal will deny it—it is clear that the United Nations action in this last week was taken purely in self-defence. I want to ask the Government another direct question.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3", "colnum": "743", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "er who the United Nations forces are—Indians, Swedes, Irish, Nigerians, Malayans, many of them soldiers of the Commonwealth. They are doing a job there because their Governments have supported the United Nations. They are risking their lives for a cause which their Governments have supported. Frankly, I have been disgusted with the kind of implications which hon. Members opposite have been making.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.743.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1", "colnum": "745", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "I am coming to that. The Government took their time to answer—some weeks—but that is perfectly understandable. What is not understandable is that, according to what the Prime Minister told me on Tuesday, they did not consult the United States Government about the sort of answer which they should give.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1", "colnum": "745", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "I am coming to that. The Government took their time to answer—some weeks—but that is perfectly understandable. What is not understandable is that, according to what the Prime Minister told me on Tuesday, they did not consult the United States Government about the sort of answer which they should give. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"] They did not.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1", "colnum": "745", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "s perfectly understandable. What is not understandable is that, according to what the Prime Minister told me on Tuesday, they did not consult the United States Government about the sort of answer which they should give. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"] They did not. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Why should they?\"] The Prime Minister's answer to me was that he did not think that it would be \"natural\" to do so.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.745.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": "t in Katanga. The Lord Privy Seal, in a very balanced speech, was answered by a speech which reminded me of the usual smears in which the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Huyton (Mr. H. Wilson) engages. That right hon. Gentleman tried all that stuff about big business with Lord Poole, but it did not go over very well. He dealt with the history of the past, but I do not want to go into the past.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": "necessary. It was he who did it. We tried all we could for a negotiation between Tshombe and Adoula. Reference to this has already been made by my hon. Friends below the Gangway. We tried to establish a basis on which a unified Congo could function in peace and work out its destiny. We did not succeed. Unhappily, all those countries working with us—owing to conflicts which are only too well known—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": " I think the Americans had the same idea, that Tshombe and Adoula might meet on mutual ground—perhaps in a boat or on a raft in the river and I think that the Americans even suggested an aeroplane. We have had no success so far. That is more likely to come when the fighting has stopped and a period of recovery has been allowed. Of course it is possible that Tshombe, obviously a very difficult man—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": "e may be destroyed, perhaps by shell fire. His administration may collapse. What worries me is not so much that there will not be a meeting, but that the United Nations will find itself with a province as large as France on its hands and no means at all of governing it. We have had some experience in our long history of how one can get led into one thing after another and how easy it is to get in—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1", "colnum": "747", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister (Mr. Harold Macmillan)", "preceding_text": " was why the Secretary-General issued, not an exact dementi, but a restatement, as soon as he could, of what he regarded to he the proper purpose. If there is one thing I deeply regret—and, of course, I apologise for it—it is that the Lord Privy Seal did not get on Monday the telegram about the correction in the Sunday paper. I must admit that here Transport House beat the Foreign Office in speed—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.747.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1", "colnum": "751", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "uch of past history in connection with these kinds of events, I fear that we may find the United Nations slipping into a war of conquest and then having to set up an administration. That is not their mandate, and not their business. The right hon. Gentleman was very scornful about the reception given to our cease-fire proposal. He said that it was welcomed in N.A.T.O., but they are only Europeans.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1", "colnum": "751", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "elieve will be shown tonight in the House. I now want to come particularly to the position as between us and the United States. The right hon. Gentleman said—I do not know whether it was said with his tongue in his cheek—that it would be absolutely fatal for a British Government ever to get into a position of difficulty with the United States, and that we should do as much as possible to avoid it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1", "colnum": "751", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Did you consult them?\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ere is the man who has asked us to have a deep and bitter quarrel with the United States about China—a quarrel which I fear we shall have. It will came next week, when the vote is taken. We cannot avoid it. We shall vote in the way we think right. I am not ashamed of putting up a different point of view, and I am sure that our friendships with the United States are quite strong enough to stand it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.751.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.755.1", "colnum": "755", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"They are united on this.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "There are the Communists and the anti-Communists, the Russians vetoing one part—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.755.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.755.1", "colnum": "755", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rubbish.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "it out and to get an agreed position. In the United Nations, there is a number of countries represented in the Security Council—eleven Members bitterly divided between the Communists and the Western and allied Powers. Those are difficulties which we cannot remove. Nevertheless, we have given our full support and have given everything for which we have been asked and done all that we could to help.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.755.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.756.1", "colnum": "756", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "ues who have been most closely associated with the United Nations operations in the Congo to seek to achieve the objectives outlined above. The two gentlemen who have been chosen are gentlemen in whom we, and I think everybody else, have confidence. They are Dr. Bunche and Mr. Gardiner. It is at least a hopeful first reply to our proposal that they are to be immediately dispatched to Leopoldville.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.756.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-14", "file": "debates1961-12-14a.xml", "sha256": "05437412534be9f9", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.758.3", "colnum": "758", "heading": "THE CONGO", "cue_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Prime Minister", "preceding_text": "Of course, it will continue until there is a cease-fire. If there is a formal cease-fire it will stop.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-14a.758.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.926.3", "colnum": "926", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — EMPLOYMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Green", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"In the pipeline.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Green", "preceding_text": "While I have sympathy with the hon. Member, he will, I am sure, appreciate that there are now 5,000 jobs in prospect for the area.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.926.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.939.0", "colnum": "939", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — CONGO (UNITED NATIONS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Speech.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Noel-Baker", "preceding_text": "This is not a newspaper. It is an official report from Mr. George Ivan Smith, a principal representative of the United Nations in Katanga, who said last week that Katangese politicians and troops were putting civilians in front of them and—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.938.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.940.3", "colnum": "940", "heading": "SWISS LOAN AGREEMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mayhew", "preceding_text": "But that means that, again, the Government have failed to lay an Agreement at the proper time. If 21 days are required, this Agreement should have been laid—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.940.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.946.1", "colnum": "946", "heading": "SWISS LOAN AGREEMENT", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not Friday?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "In an effort to try to clear up the matter, the Leader of the House has said that he is prepared to discuss with us the question of a very early debate on the matter. That is all right, subject to one anxiety in our minds, which is that unless we have a debate tomorrow it will be too late, because the only other day on which we could have the debate would be Wednesday.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.946.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.950.2", "colnum": "950", "heading": "GOA, DIU AND DAMAN (ENTRY OF INDIAN FORCES)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": " in Goa? Why do the Government suppose that he would place any more reliance on the ability of United Nations to secure Indian rights in Goa than did Her Majesty's Government themselves place on the United Nations in the case of either Suez or Katanga? Why does the right hon. Gentleman suppose that there is any other way in which India could secure the liberty of many thousands of oppressed Goans?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.950.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.954.6", "colnum": "954", "heading": "CLERK OF THE HOUSE (RETIREMENT)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "", "preceding_text": "EDWARD FELLOWES.\"", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.954.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.957.1", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Read it out.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "eynolds News, a newspaper which ought to be read more frequently for the information which it contains. I am all in favour of giving a good paper a piece of advertisement now and again. This paper said that 13 hon. Members on the Conservative side of the House were involved. I have the roll of honour here, but I do not propose to trouble the House with it at this stage, although I can read it out.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.957.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.957.1", "colnum": "957", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Read the names.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "es have declared higher dividends since the pay pause than they declared last year. I hope that we shall hear from some of these hon. Members, whose votes were given to the Government in July, how they voted in their board rooms in September. It will be very interesting to know what protests were made by some of those hon. Members who are sitting in the House now when the dividends were increased.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.957.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.961.4", "colnum": "961", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Moore", "preceding_text": " cent. last year. I forecast and promised to the public, and presumably to our own shareholders, that the final dividend would be 12½ per cent., making it 20 per cent. for the whole year against 17½ per cent. last year. This was long before the Chancellor announced his pause, or his desire for a pause. After the Chancellor had made his statement I did not increase the final dividend.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.961.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.962.6", "colnum": "962", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"More so.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "es not seem to realise is that this action of his in breaking long-standing agreements is regarded by the trade union movement as their Crichel Down, and the same feeling of resentment is felt by hon. Members on this side of the House and among those of us who have had to deal with these matters for the last thirty years as was felt by his hon. Friends over Crichel Down and all that arose from it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.962.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.969.1", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": " period was from March, 1948—when, I think, the hon. Gentleman will find that the index stood at 108, although I have not the figures with me; I remember them, having looked them up during the weekend—to the autumn of 1949, when the figure was 109. By the spring of the following year it had risen only to 111. The cost-of-living index was held practically stationary during the whole of that period—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.969.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.969.1", "colnum": "969", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "t by trade unionists over his acts of folly. Incidentally, further to answer the hon. Member for Aylesbury (Sir S. Summers), I find that I have with me the figures for which he asked. On 13th April, 1948, the retail price index stood at 108; on 12th April, 1949 it was 109—one point up—and by the time of devaluation, and I must ask the hon. Gentleman's pardon, it had gone up to 112 points, not 111.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.969.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.973.1", "colnum": "973", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"When.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "ber for Southwark (Mr. Gunter) and myself to produce a blueprint of what we thought the Labour Government should do. I must decline the invitation, speaking for myself. I do not know what my hon. Friend will do. This afternoon I think it is sufficient for us to examine the defects in the Government's administration. I should like, however, just to say this. When a Labour Government comes to power—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.973.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.973.1", "colnum": "973", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"How?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": " country whereas we on this side of the House have two years in which to gain it, and we shall do so. When we come to power I promise this, speaking at any rate as one member of the Labour Party which will then form the Government; we shall govern, I believe, wisely, soberly and fairly. We shall place the needs of those who are in need first. We shall try to secure a dynamic growth in the economy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.973.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.999.1", "colnum": "999", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Sir S. Summers", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir S. Summers", "preceding_text": " those areas which we must have in mind but the impact of stoppages in those areas on other facets of our economy. I think that this is an occasion also to pay tribute to Lord Rootes and his colleagues, supported by the official trade unions at the time, in smashing the unofficial strike at Acton, because there is no doubt that the discipline which we all wish the unions to exert will not succeed.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.999.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1006.1", "colnum": "1006", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. David Price", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. David Price", "preceding_text": "acy, because in a free society even the most resolute Government cannot ensure prosperity. The Government can state requirements and create a climate of opinion and exert some influence. But the rest is up to industry. However, I believe that there still exists a wide range in which the Government could take appropriate action, and I desire to suggest briefly twelve points to my right hon. Friend—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1006.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1029.1", "colnum": "1029", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "preceding_text": "uinely earned and in a genuinely competitive economy. That is why I was delighted to hear the spirited cry for free trade from the hon. Member for Eastleigh. I felt that he was coming a very long way towards being a reasonable radical. I.C.I.—I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for mentioning it—during the past sixteen years has ploughed back about £535 million out of £410 million worth of profit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1029.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1040.2", "colnum": "1040", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Carr", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There has not been a Labour Government in the past ten years.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Carr", "preceding_text": "In order to take action in time rather than too late. My main thesis is that we have had this \"stop-go\" policy because Governments, the Labour Government as well as Conservative Governments in the last ten years, have tended to act too late and have, therefore, had to act too violently with consequential disruption of the economy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1040.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1052.1", "colnum": "1052", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Sir J. Barlow", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir J. Barlow", "preceding_text": "t is translated into real money value, ignoring taxes completely, the increase in dividends from 1938 to 1960 was 2 per cent. and the increase in wages and salaries was 96 per cent. That shows in terms of real money how wages have gone far ahead of the real return from dividends. Unfortunately, it is often the rather old and poor people who suffer most from the loss in the real value of dividends.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1052.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1065.6", "colnum": "1065", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Callaghan", "preceding_text": "What does that mean?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1065.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1066.0", "colnum": "1066", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "My right hon. and learned Friend made his position quite clear. He is willing to have talks with the staff side, but I think that the hon. Member would make a great mistake if he tried to press this, so to speak, under threat of a strike.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1066.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-18", "file": "debates1961-12-18a.xml", "sha256": "97e8ead80c3230fb", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1066.0", "colnum": "1066", "heading": "Orders of the Day — INCOMES AND PRODUCTIVITY", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Really!\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hare", "preceding_text": "d terms of reference in which the Government asked them not to give an operative date and, at the same time, the unions asked for a date. They would have been faced with the need to pass judgment on what the Government consider to be an issue of major public policy. Therefore, within the temporarily limited scope of the present terms of reference, arbitrators have freedom to act as they think fit.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-18a.1066.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1127.0", "colnum": "1127", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — MINISTRY OF WORKS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Member", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Speaker", "preceding_text": "The right form of the rule is that the answer must relate to the problem put in the Question. In so far as the Minister went outside that, he should in fact withdraw it in relation to Question Time. I gather that what he was saying was something in relation to the hon. Lady's treatment of Government policies in the country, or something of that sort.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1126.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1129.0", "colnum": "1129", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — GOA", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Speech.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "d the Government to consider the facts? Does not he know that a Portuguese census in 1950 showed only 800 Europeans as living in Goa, who were transient Portuguese administrators, and 316 people of mixed descent, the rest of the 650,000 being officially described as Indians? Does not the Prime Minister know that for fourteen years the Indians have tried to get Portugal to negotiate on this matter.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1129.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1140.1", "colnum": "1140", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Or more.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Viscount Hinchingbrooke", "preceding_text": "To assist hon. Members, can my right hon. Friend say how he thinks the time will be allocated? First, there is the Motion on the Christmas Recess. That may take an hour—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1140.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1142.1", "colnum": "1142", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Roll of honour.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "preceding_text": "I apologise to the House for taking up one or two minutes of its time. In yesterday's debate the hon. Member for Cardiff, South East (Mr. Callaghan) referred to what he called a \"roll of dishonour\"—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1142.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1143.1", "colnum": "1143", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "preceding_text": "—in a statement which amounted to a public commitment—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1143.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1143.1", "colnum": "1143", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir T. Low", "preceding_text": "—in a statement which amounted to a public commitment—[HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"]—and on the basis of which many shares had changed hands. This was made clear to the Press in August at the time of the dividend announcement. The Chancellor, in his statement of 25th July, acceded that regard would have to be had to commitments already entered into.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1143.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1144.2", "colnum": "1144", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Thornton-Kemsley", "preceding_text": "an examination of the first quarter's accounts he was confident that the company would be able to increase its interim and final dividends. In my view and that of my co-directors, this announcement—which was widely publicised—made it imperative that the dividend should be increased if the company was not to break faith with its shareholders and particularly with those who have bought shares in it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1144.1"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.1", "colnum": "1145", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir C. Thornton-Kemsley", "preceding_text": "I have very nearly finished, Sir. I was about to conclude by saying that it seemed essential to implement this statement if the company was not to break faith with its shareholders and with those who have bought shares on the basis of what amounted to a firm commitment.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.4", "colnum": "1145", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Sit down.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Milne", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.3"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.9", "colnum": "1145", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stevens", "preceding_text": "rose —", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1145.8"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1146.7", "colnum": "1146", "heading": "PERSONAL STATEMENTS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Stevens", "preceding_text": "Mr. Speaker, I, too, seek to make a personal statement. My name, also, was included in the \"roll of dishonour\" read out by the hon. Member for Cardiff, South-East (Mr. Callaghan) as having connived at increased dividends. No company of which I am a director has declared any kind of increased dividend whatsoever in the last twelve months.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1146.6"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1152.0", "colnum": "1152", "heading": "SIR EDWARD ABDY FELLOWES, K.C.B., C.M.G., M.C.", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Mr. Iain Macleod)", "preceding_text": " this Motion, we, old Members and new Members alike, of all parties in this House, join in our thanks to Sir Edward, but, beyond these personal tributes, I think that we should like to say, representing as we do, between us, the people of the country, that the Clerk of the House has served his country and ours nobly in peace and in war, and that we wish him and Lady Fellowes a long and happy life.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1151.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1161.0", "colnum": "1161", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "s do not wish it, I am perfectly happy to proceed, but it seemed to me that, in courtesy to the hon. Member for Dudley, who has taken the trouble to speak to me about it, as other hon. Members have, that the course I have suggested would be best. The Committee may, perhaps, wish to proceed in another way, but it seemed more appropriate for the hon. Member for Dudley to explain what he had in mind.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1161.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.0", "colnum": "1163", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Charles Loughlin", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Charles Loughlin", "preceding_text": "May I ask your guidance, Sir Gordon, because I am in somewhat of a difficulty?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.2", "colnum": "1163", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. J. Mellish", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. J. Mellish", "preceding_text": "On a point of order. May I ask your guidance, Sir Gordon? I understand that this Motion is being moved as the result of private conversations between my hon. Friend the Member for Dudley (Mr. Wigg) and the Secretary of State for War. We understand that the Motion has been merely moved and it is being left to to an hon. Member on this side of the Committee to give the reasons why it has been moved.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.4", "colnum": "1163", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "I am not concerned with the merits of the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1163.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1164.0", "colnum": "1164", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "No.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1164.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1170.1", "colnum": "1170", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wigg", "preceding_text": "rue as regards the pay of the Army Reserve that it is done under Section 11 of the 1950 Act, and, in the case of the Territorial Army, under Section 11 of the 1953 Act. My final quotation from the right hon. Gentleman is in col. 192, where he said: The Royal Warrant is the basis of all Army pay.\"—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 27th November, 1961: Vol. 650, cc. 184, 186–7, 191–2.] That is untrue.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1170.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1179.1", "colnum": "1179", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh\".", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Fletcher", "preceding_text": " had been told what the other Acts were—whether the 1950 or the 1953 Act or any other Act—we should have put down Amendments to deal with those Acts, but we were misled. I am not saying that we were deliberately misled. I, personally, acquit the Secretary of State for War of deliberately misleading the Committee. I do not think he understood the position. I think that he was in complete ignorance—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1179.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1189.0", "colnum": "1189", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Michael Foot", "preceding_text": " not one speech has been made which has not supported the Government's proposition. Therefore, the Government can have their way at any time. All they have to do is to say that they want the Motion carried. That will finish business for the day and the Government will be able to follow the advice given by Members on both sides of the Committee that they should take the Bill away and reconsider it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1189.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1196.0", "colnum": "1196", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "preceding_text": "atter, even though an extraordinary procedure has been adopted in order that this may be done. Despite the fact that in this Committee, and in the House of Commons, we are able to proceed in such matters with a degree of humour which is to be commended, this is an extremely serious Parliamentary matter and nothing less than the honour of the Government is involved. I do not wish to speak for long—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1196.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1198.0", "colnum": "1198", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "preceding_text": "e their rights. We are entitled on such occasions to consider such matters, just as according to a time-honoured formula the Government from time to time, when presented with a situation which they have not previously had time to think about, indicate that they would like notice of it. We as ordinary back benchers, having had the matter presented to us for the first time by the Secretary of State—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1196.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1198.2", "colnum": "1198", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Start again.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "I am very happy to observe a \"two minute silence\" on the occasion of the Leader of the House taking his seat in the Chamber. It is an extremely important matter—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1198.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1205.1", "colnum": "1205", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "Interruption", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "r for Beckenham (Mr. Goodhart) —to which, incidentally, hon. Members opposite had put down an Amendment—was out of order because the Clerks did not understand it. That is not the case. That Amendment sought to incur further expenditure under this Measure—it would have been an added expenditure—and since the Money Resolution relates only to expenditure under other Acts the case is wholly different—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1205.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1207.1", "colnum": "1207", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "th it in his time. It has been suggested that hon. Members might have been busily putting down Amendments if they had not been misled by me. The right hon. Member for Bassetlaw said that I had misled the Committee. Other hon. Members said that they would have put down several Amendments. The hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. M. Foot) was perfectly honest and said that he had not really thought of it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1207.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1208.5", "colnum": "1208", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "Then the right hon. Gentleman can read it. Perhaps he can read better than he can listen. This is the suggestion I make. I will give an undertaking to the Committee, if we can make some progress, that there will be an opportunity during the Report stage for hon. and right hon. Members to put down any such Amendments as they would have been putting down had they known about this.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1208.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1209.3", "colnum": "1209", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"That is not for the Minister.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I am sorry. Hon. Members must not jump to conclusions before I have had time to explain. What I said to the Committee—HANSARD will bear me out—was that I would give this undertaking. I said that I would give opportunity for hon. Members to put down Amendments on Report.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1209.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1209.3", "colnum": "1209", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I am sorry. Hon. Members must not jump to conclusions before I have had time to explain. What I said to the Committee—HANSARD will bear me out—was that I would give this undertaking. I said that I would give opportunity for hon. Members to put down Amendments on Report. [HON MEMBERS: \"That is not for the Minister.\"] Please may I make this point? It must be for me to give such an undertaking.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1209.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1210.5", "colnum": "1210", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"The right hon. Gentleman cannot.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "No, Sir. I am giving an undertaking to the Committee that I will arrange—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1210.5"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1210.6", "colnum": "1210", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": " right hon. Gentleman cannot.\"] Yes, I will arrange either to accept some Amendment in the course of our discussions, or, if I am not able to do that, to put down some simple Government Amendment which will enable us to have a Report stage, when hon. Members can put down any Amendments they want. This seems perfectly fair and, in view of that undertaking, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the Motion.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1210.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1220.2", "colnum": "1220", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "The Chairman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "The Chairman", "preceding_text": "The position about the Money Resolution is always clear to the Chair.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1220.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1258.2", "colnum": "1258", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Paget", "preceding_text": "efore, how we are to select. Within a measure, the selection has to be what the Government wants, that is, people in the categories which the Government want. Equally, surely, in this process of selection, we should consider the men who are selected and particularly the individuals other than the men themselves—their wives, their dependants and their children—who may be affected by that selection.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1258.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1269.2", "colnum": "1269", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": "I cannot accept that statement. The hon. and learned Gentleman knows that it is not what I said. I have always made clear what is my intention. I know that the hon. and learned Gentleman had only \"one foot on dry land\" and that he was dealing in those days with the sea. But on Second Reading—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1269.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1284.0", "colnum": "1284", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"The Motion is agreed.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "Are we not to hear from the Leader of the House?", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1284.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1284.1", "colnum": "1284", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"How far tonight?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Profumo", "preceding_text": " Christmas, although the right hon. Member for Smethwick (Mr. Gordon Walker) rather put the spirit of April Fool's Day in what he said. We are in an aura of Christmas and, with the spirit of good will, we might make much more progress still than we have made up to now. I am thinking rather more of the New Year than Christmas, because I want to get progress on the Bill. As I said on Second Reading—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1284.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1285.0", "colnum": "1285", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Bellenger", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"What, Clause 1?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Bellenger", "preceding_text": "did them, they should take the blame and not blame the Opposition because we had not got on faster. We are now on Clause 1, the most controversial Clause of the whole Bill, and if the right hon. Gentleman will not be reasonable, whether it is Christmas or not, he must expect that there will be considerable discussion on the Clause. If therefore he only told us, for example, that he wants Clause 1—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1285.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1291.2", "colnum": "1291", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Which one?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Marsh", "preceding_text": "from the Chair and to co-operation from the Leader of the House, for we are dealing with peacetime conscription in a highly contentious Bill. Hon. Members opposite lost interest in the Bill some time ago or were told that they must not join in the debate, and apparently my hon. Friends and I are no longer to be allowed to debate the Amendments. I appeal to the Leader of the House for co-operation.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1291.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1298.0", "colnum": "1298", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "n, to discuss major measures at this hour. Bernard Shaw, who was not bound by the rules of Parliamentary order, observed, somewhat improperly, that Parliament was in the habit of making decisions at midnight which no sane people would make at noon. One is bound to say that that is a danger. 11.0 p.m. The second reason is that many Conservative Members will be wanting to make personal explanations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1298.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1302.0", "colnum": "1302", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"He has no beard.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": " in his speech to say something about the spirit of Christmas. I am bound to say that of all Ministers I have ever seen at that Box, this one looks less like Father Christmas than any I have known in a long time. He has not had a single concession to make to anyone. His bag is not only empty, but he has left it outside the Chamber. He has had not a thing to give away, not even a piece of his mind.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1302.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1307.0", "colnum": "1307", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Denis Howell", "preceding_text": " the Motion, because most hon. Members now realise that the position is far more serious than we thought at first. Is is now quite clear that the Government are completely unable to govern and that this is not just one incident—although it is bad enough—but the culmination of many of a similar nature which have arisen in recent weeks and which started with the question of the position of the Mace.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1307.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1309.1", "colnum": "1309", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Take part in them all.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Howell", "preceding_text": "only Berlin but the general question of loans from Switzerland—a subject a great many of us find very involved and intricate and upon which we require time in which the prepare ourselves—and the further question of the Adjournment Motion. There are so many crises facing the nation at the moment that one does not know in which of the three important debates tomorrow one should prepare to take part.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1309.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1314.2", "colnum": "1314", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Mellish", "preceding_text": "view in which I passionately believe. I believe that, at the end of the day, conscription is inevitable. That is not a popular point of view to hold at this time. I said that this Bill would not serve the purpose for which it was intended. All I say to the Leader of the House is that, since he was not here when I made my speech, it is a piece of first-class humbug for him to refer to it as he did.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1314.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-19", "file": "debates1961-12-19a.xml", "sha256": "f742fe35c8f8fd38", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1315.0", "colnum": "1315", "heading": "Orders of the Day — ARMY RESERVE BILL", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"Humbug.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hugh Gaitskell", "preceding_text": "igrants Bill. It is astonishing that at this hour of the night, when we are debating another Bill, he should announce to the House, to the world, and to the Commonwealth, in particular, that the Government will impose a time table on the Immigrants Bill. For him, as an ex-Colonial Secretary who prided himself on his ideals and his belief in the brotherhood of man, I find it a very odd thing to do.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-19a.1315.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1352.5", "colnum": "1352", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — SCOTLAND", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "No.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Rankin", "preceding_text": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Surely—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1352.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1366.7", "colnum": "1366", "heading": "BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"It is for the Leader of the House.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "This was a Motion to report Progress, which, on all Bills, is a matter for the Minister in charge.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1366.7"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1385.0", "colnum": "1385", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"What about the book?", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hale", "preceding_text": "I really could not hear what you said, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, but I will leave the subject in case I gathered that it was some expression of dissent from the relevance of my observations. Although I did not hear your precise words, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I will leave that subject with pleasure, although it was a rather sad story.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1385.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1385.2", "colnum": "1385", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Tartan", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. R. H. Tartan", "preceding_text": " instance, I do not entirely share the view of my hon. Friend the Member for Louth (Sir C. Osborne). It would be helpful—and I should have thought that this was a way in which Parliament could rise to the occasion—if the Opposition said that if we came back a week early they would guarantee that in that week they would assist in getting the Commonwealth Immigrants Bill through the Committee stage.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1385.2"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1387.0", "colnum": "1387", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"There was an offer.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. S. Silverman", "preceding_text": "I wonder whether the right hon. Gentleman thinks that he is quite fair to my right hon. Friend in the comment which he has just made. It does not necessarily follow that because we ask to come back earlier we therefore alter our attitude to the Bills that we wish to discuss.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1387.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.4", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Hear, hear.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Crossman", "preceding_text": "I do not need to come back, because I am on it.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.6", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Withdraw.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Deputy-Speaker", "preceding_text": "I must ask the hon. Member to withdraw the word \"lies\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.5"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.9", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "preceding_text": " the Bill, but I think that it is in order to say that I think it is a Bill which departs from all previous precedents in the matter of our policy towards our Commonwealth and our Colonial Empire, and it is a Bill which has aroused acute controversy not merely across the Floor of the House but throughout the ranks of the party opposite. For 17 years my grandfather sat on the Tory benches opposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.9", "colnum": "1391", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "cue_text": "Interruption.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Jeremy Thorpe", "preceding_text": " party opposite. For 17 years my grandfather sat on the Tory benches opposite. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"] The greatest honour that he had at the hand of his fellow Tory Members was to be called \"Empire Jack\". The reason for that was that he believed passionately in an Empire, belonging as he did to a party which always claimed to be the great party of Empire. Today we are faced with the proposition—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1391.9"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1392.1", "colnum": "1392", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"January.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Thorpe", "preceding_text": "se himself. This is the procedure which we are invited to follow because if we come back on 23rd January, Her Majesty's Government will not be able to provide time to have adequate discussion of the Commonwealth Immigrants Bill. There was a significant remark by the Leader of the House which was taken up by the Leader of the Opposition, and this touches on the relevance of our return on 23rd July.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1392.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1394.2", "colnum": "1394", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Try us.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "he function of respective Governments to say that the Adjournment was necessary and the function of the Opposition to say that it was not necessary. To that extent history is repeating itself, and I think it fair to say that if the suggestion made from the benches opposite were accepted, that we should have practically no Adjournment at all, nobody would be more shocked than hon. Members opposite.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1394.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1394.3", "colnum": "1394", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Rubbish and humbug.", "preceding_speaker": "Sir Cyril Osborne", "preceding_text": "not be used. During the discussion many references have been made to the Commonwealth Immigrants Bill, and one of my hon. Friends said that the Bill ought not to be pushed through because of feeling in the West Indies. I want to bring the House back to the feeling of the people in this country and especially of the homeless in London, who feel that to allow unlimited immigration into this country—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1394.2"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1402.2", "colnum": "1402", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Oh.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "In 1948, we passed a Criminal Justice Act—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1402.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1405.4", "colnum": "1405", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Silverman", "preceding_text": "lin is. It seems to me that this was a fantastic statement for the Foreign Secretary to make. It does not represent the feeling in the country, or in any part of it, and if the Government are really conducting their policies on the lines solely indicated by the Foreign Secretary then we ought to sit here all day and all night until we get a new Government, a new Foreign Secretary and a new policy.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1405.4"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1409.3", "colnum": "1409", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.''", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": ".C. Charter of 1952 should be in the Vote Office. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will see this perfectly clearly from Mr. Speaker's statement made a day or two ago. In fact, the obligation on Ministers laid down was to reprint and this was done in the case of the B.B.C. Charter. With respect, it was really the hon. Gentleman and his hon. Friends who were at fault in not following the procedure.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1409.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1410.1", "colnum": "1410", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"After weeks.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": " impossible under an Allocation of Time Order. Indeed, I am certain that the House can remember examples. I recall one with particular vividness upon almost the first debate of any importance in which I took part in the House, in the Session 1951–52. There was a Guillotine on the National Health Service Bill when after weeks no progress whatever had been made—on about two lines at the most.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1410.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1410.1", "colnum": "1410", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"After weeks.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Macleod", "preceding_text": "y importance in which I took part in the House, in the Session 1951–52. There was a Guillotine on the National Health Service Bill when after weeks no progress whatever had been made—on about two lines at the most. [HON. MEMBERS: \"After weeks.\"] That allocation of time Order was introduced, and from then on the matter was discussed by those whom we may call the \"health Members of the Club\".", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1410.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1419.1", "colnum": "1419", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Gordon Walker", "preceding_text": "ot the time in which to discuss them. We therefore say that we should come back early enough to avoid the Guillotine. The Government must decide what date is early enough to avoid the Guillotine. It cannot be done by means of an Amendment which seeks to specify the date. [Horn. MEMBERS: \"Why?\"] Because we think that we should come back early enough to avoid the Guillotine, and we cannot determine—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1419.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1423.3", "colnum": "1423", "heading": "ADJOURNMENT (CHRISTMAS)", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Rubbish.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Warbey", "preceding_text": "other hon. Members were able to do so. Nevertheless, I accept your Ruling, Mr. Speaker, and I will conclude simply by making a further plea to the Leader of the House to recognise that what we have had from the Opposition in this debate has been a quite genuine offer to facilitate the proper discussion of two of the most important and controversial Bills that have ever been submitted to the House.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1423.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1484.1", "colnum": "1484", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Hynd", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Shame.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Hynd", "preceding_text": "ne can easily walk into the sector thinking one is still on the Western side till one comes up against the markings. That young Austrian student was shot on our side of the wall, but he was lying two metres inside the Eastern territory, although it was not marked. He lay there bleeding to death and crying for help for a solid hour—dying for an hour—while the might of N.A.T.O. stood by and watched.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1484.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1495.1", "colnum": "1495", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Woodrow Wyatt", "preceding_text": " by the Portuguese. To go on pretending that it was a part of another country, and that this action jeopardises the United Nations, is hypocrisy, and is thought to be so in India. One cannot say that 517 Portuguese administrators amount to a country because they happen to be sitting in somebody else's territory. This was really a case of clearing out some brigands who ought not to have been there.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1495.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1500.0", "colnum": "1500", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "An HON. MEMBER: \"They can.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "ormation has come from. I cannot possibly say, and I can give no credence to it of any sort. It is said that India's action may harm the United Nations. It is not for Members opposite to use that argument. They who perpetrated the misdeed of Suez, and who have been busy sabotaging the United Nations in Katanga, quite shamelessly, certainly cannot accuse somebody else of harming the United Nations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1500.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1500.0", "colnum": "1500", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "Laughter.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": " who perpetrated the misdeed of Suez, and who have been busy sabotaging the United Nations in Katanga, quite shamelessly, certainly cannot accuse somebody else of harming the United Nations. [An HON. MEMBER: \"They can.\"] Well, they can, but they cannot do it with authority. It was also said that perhaps it would damage India's capacity to mediate between the great Powers. I really cannot see that.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1500.0"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1501.2", "colnum": "1501", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Ah.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "That is a very interesting point. I thought that the hon. Member for Chigwell (Mr. Biggs-Davison) might raise it. I think that General Franco has a perfect claim to Gibraltar, but I hope that we are strong enough to resist him.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1501.1"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1502.6", "colnum": "1502", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "hat Mr. Nehru has done anything wrong. Secondly, it is not very helpful to our relations, not only with the Commonwealth, but with the Afro-Asian nations. Hon. Members should not suppose that the world has condemned Mr. Nehru. A tiny section of the world has condemned him. The rest of the world has not had to rely on the British Press as its sole source of information, as the Government have done.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1502.6"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1504.0", "colnum": "1504", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "Certainly, yes.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1504.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-20", "file": "debates1961-12-20a.xml", "sha256": "e76a0833236ca6c7", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1504.0", "colnum": "1504", "heading": "FOREIGN AFFAIRS", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Wyatt", "preceding_text": "Certainly, yes. [HON. MEMBERS: \"Oh.\"] If he has sharpened their appreciation of the realities of the world in which we live, he may have done a great deal of good. Certainly, he has done no harm to the United Nations.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-20a.1504.0"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-21", "file": "debates1961-12-21a.xml", "sha256": "d66b28f82d5e5064", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1542.3", "colnum": "1542", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — TRADE AND COMMERCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"Why not?\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. F. M. Bennett", "preceding_text": "While not adopting the line taken by the hon. Member for Brixton (Mr. Lipton)—", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1542.3"}
{"kind": "bracketed_cue", "date": "1961-12-21", "file": "debates1961-12-21a.xml", "sha256": "d66b28f82d5e5064", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1560.4", "colnum": "1560", "heading": "Oral Answers to Questions — NATIONAL FINANCE", "cue_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "cue_text": "HON. MEMBERS: \"No.\"", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. Brooke", "preceding_text": "The prices and charges made by the nationalised industries are matters for the boards of those industries.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1560.4"}
{"kind": "attributed_speech", "date": "1961-12-21", "file": "debates1961-12-21a.xml", "sha256": "d66b28f82d5e5064", "speech_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1666.2", "colnum": "1666", "heading": "SCIENTIFIC MANPOWER", "cue_speaker": "Hon. Members", "cue_text": "Hear, hear.", "preceding_speaker": "Mr. J. E. B. Hill (Lord Commissioner of the Treasury)", "preceding_text": "withstanding all the well-deserved tributes which have already been paid to him, I should like to cite one final example of his wise judgment and good taste. Sir Edward and Lady Fellowes have chosen to live in my constituency. I am sure that the whole House wishes them a long and happy retirement. I shall welcome this most distinguished constituent. May his retirement begin with a happy Christmas.", "preceding_id": "uk.org.publicwhip/debate/1961-12-21a.1666.1"}